Good on you Lego. Halduell you are just trotting out the same failed solutions... more of the same. It has failed before and will keep failing.

Eugenics Halduell? We already HAVE A EUGENICS POLICY. Our system handsomely rewards the least intelligent for breeding ... welfare-dependant can't afford *not* to have many children.

Meanwhile, since everything these days (esp since the ALP got into power) is 'means-tested'. The smarter, working population can't afford to have kids.

The solution is in three steps.
1: Don't to pay the stupid to 'not have kids', but to slowly wind the overgenerous payments back...

2: Reward good behaviour in the middle-classes... make children reduce your tax. A simple way is to wipe out Family Tax A, B, Baby-bonus, child-care benefit, parental leave etc etc ... and sack all the bureaucrats who administer these... and simply make each kid reduce your tax by 10%. If you have 10 kids you need every cent you earn to pay for a big-nough house and food there's nothing left for tax.

A better way of doing this is to have 'household income splitting'. Lets say dad earns $100,000, mum has a new kid and is not working, and you have two kids. Instead of paying a huge tax on $100,000 and then supporting all 4 people on what's left... the income should be divided by the number of people BEFORE the tax is taken...

So in this family has $100,000 to support for four people. So they should pay tax on four lots of $25000. It ends up being a lot less tax.

THis also provides a neat incentive to remain married... This will protect kids and increasd marriage rates. And divorce is the worst thing you can do to your kids.

3: Roll-back feminism. To many men know what the divorce courts do to dads, adn they are simply refusing to become fathers. Men arne't 'commitment-phobic', they're simply rationally afraid. Fatherhood is madness in this feminist country. That's why so many women, especially professional ones, can't get husbands and will sadly die childless and alone

Why is there such overcrowding in aboriginal comunities?

Because they are having so many kids. Many communities have an average age of 15. That means for ever adult, there are 4 kids... that's an average of 8 kids per woman...

That's a lot of babies. All on welfare, all on free meals at school, free health, free everything. And many being supplied with vast extra 'resources' for their leaning difficulties and etc.

THat's a rapidly growing cohort of disadvantage... and the more money that government throws it is, the more rapidly it breeds.

LEGO - you misunderstand why I am suggesting attendance at primary school is so important. In addition to the learning, the habit of getting up each morning with the intention of 'going somewhere to do something', even if other, easier options for the day are more appealing, is a learned habit. And it will carry on into a working life. That habit, coupled with a minimum primary education of knowing how to read and write and count to 100, will give a child the chance at a life not dependent on charity. For some it will open up a path to secondary, tertiary and post-graduate education, and who can say where the next Einstein will come from?
Perhaps petrol companies recruit people from India to man their bowsers (do they really do that?) because too many Australians missed out on a primary education and the work ethic that grows out of mandatory attendance at schools.
You are confusing individual choices in the marriage market with government supported eugenics. They are two different arguments.
And finally I take your point that 'no amount of education can make a genetically dumb person into a smart one.'

Dear Halduel

If a white family had been on the dole for generations, if they were too lazy to feed their kids and make sure they went to school, if the whole family was either drunk stoned, or sniffing petrol, while the uncles hung around trying to screw the children (many of whom were suffering from sexually transmitted diseases) you would judge that family to be white bogan trash possessing low intelligence.

But with aborigines, a different standard applies. Socialists are desperate to prove that all races are equal, because accepting that premise is the very foundation of their ideology, which promises to deliver their socialist multicultural utopia. I would just love to believe that all races are equal in every way, but the facts self evidently refute that.

Past Australians governments simply accepted that aborigines were not real bright, and so they implemented paternalistic programs which were much more effective in helping aboriginal people cope with this modern, complex world we live in. Today, just about the only aboriginals in remote areas who can read or write, do sums or even speak English, are those who were educated on missions, or who were "stolen" by "racist" humanitarian state and federal governemnts, who were only concerned for the children's welfare.

The demands by educated Gucci Socialists that aborigines must be given absolute equality with whites resulted in them getting the right to drink alcohol, and "self deturmination" through thoroughly corrupt aboriginal administrations like ATSIC. And they are the two biggest problems with aborigines in remote areas today. Until we realise that all men are not equal, and that aboriginal people in particular are not real bright, and that they need the protection of decent humanitarian white administrators who will ban them from drinking and give them some sort of discipline again, then you can forget all of the stupid programs now being dreamed up by government pencil chewers.

LEGO - Twenty years ago I worked briefly as a relief store manager on a remote NT indigenous community. There was at that time a man who had come in off the western desert with his family some years prior to my time out there. They were mostly naked at the time of their first contact, and they were known as "lizard eaters" as that was a staple in their diet. They carried few possessions other than spears.
That man, the father/patriarch of that family group, asked me if I could help him. He addressed me in English, and he wanted me to put aside a sum of dollars from his fortnightly dole cheque so he could save to buy a motokar.
I don't know if it's possible to measure such things, but I have often thought that for a naked lizard eater to travel in one lifetime from carrying spears in the desert to learning a new language and to understanding how and why to save money from a fortnightly income would probably put him in the genius percentile.
Your blanket categorisation of all aboriginal people as dumb betrays a profound ignorance.

Of course Lego didn't mean that *all* aboriginies are stupid, just as nobody claims all negros are... look at Obama, got to be clever to get to be the most powerful man on earth.

And as the years go by, and races interbreed, the differences decrease. Obama inherited black skin from his african ancestors, and other things from his white ancestors. He's mixed-race, as are almost all aboriginies these days.

Lego is, of course, talking about on average, typically, by-and-large, in general terms, etc. He is also talking about aborigines on remote communities, not the 'average' aboriginal, not the professional or working-class urban aboriginal. So he is talking about remote ones.

And here is the rub... with free and compulsary education, those who shine at school, ot even those who do OK, get taken under the wing of teachers, community leaders and see the opportunities they have... the opportunities that their less intelligent classmates don't have.

They do well at school, and so they enjoy school, so the attend and do their homewirk, they finish school and perhaps go to uni or TAFE... They move out of their remote community and become urban.

They get out.

Those left behind are the least intelligent of their year. These then respond tot he over-generous welfare payments that means that they can't afford *not* to have many many children. THen the bright ones of these children get out, leaving only the most stupid behind.. generation after generation.

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