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By Patricia Edgar, published 13/5/2011Patricia Edgar reviews Lindsay Tanner's new book Sideshow.
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Posted by Squeers, Saturday, 14 May 2011 7:00:00 PM
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squeers
Here is your mistake on Jones et al. They are mostly daytime radio shockjocks and few people listen to them. Most of us are too busy working or making money. They really don't rate. What does tend to suggest influence is the 10 second sound grab... which is mostly edited by labor media flunkies. That you think pointing to one media commentator who has conservative values and who expresses such some how balances the labor immersed spin doctered commentary in the rest of the media (The Australian excluded) says more about you than you might realise. Oh and what show did Rudd use to gain his short term PMship? The same show that has done no favours for Joe and especially not for Tony. Oh and they also tend to promote the Liberal member the Labor spin-miesters love to love. Nawhhhhh you've just got to accept Tony, with his surf-club speedo's, has got them all buggered. You watch how fevered and expastered the usual labor minions and spruikers in the media become in the next few months. Watch what happens when labor falls below 30% in polling. What all the labor spruikers in the media continue to ignore is the labor leadership woes and the leadership pressure the current great saviour is under. (Where is the commentary on that? If it was Liberal leadership it would be headlines ... everywhere ... daily). Watch them all switch to the new leader and then make claims that they are the next great labor saviour whether that be Bowen or Wong. Laughable really, when you actually sit down and think about it. And as is reflected in the polling everybody except the pigheaded rump have woken up to them. Posted by keith, Saturday, 14 May 2011 9:54:46 PM
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Keith,
I'm a swing voter. I'm not particularly impressed by the Gillard Gov't and they have made a mess of a few things. But to pretend that the current liberals are somehow the party of substance is flat-out ridiculous. Tony abbott is doing his level best to be a policy free zone, which is undoubtedly the correct course for a politician with his extremely limited talents. And Joe Hockey could not possibly be more vacous if he tried. Please explain to me how telling the banks how much interest they can charge constitutes a liberal policy?? Or how giving handouts to people on 150, 000 dollars a year fits with a smaller government agenda? Posted by PaulL, Sunday, 15 May 2011 7:24:23 AM
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Keith:
"Jones et al. They are mostly daytime radio shockjocks and few people listen to them". Well this is nonsense; apart from the fact that the Laws/Jones et al conservative 'phenomena' is huge, albeit dominated by the grey demographic, Jones et al also publish their opinions and are widely reported in the media. But I pointed to commercial media in general; tell me about one single mainstream leftwing commercial radio or tv programme? But what about newspapers; I don't know of any that isn't dominated by a rightwing editorial bias; again please name me a few? Even the ABC is "necessarily" rightwing in its content because the paranoid bigots who dominate the agenda in this country are the ones who have to be patronised. Have a read of this article from the drum: http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/55436.html A quote from it says, "Let me spell it out: the big lie of Australian political debate is that the mainstream political media is left-wing. It most resolutely is not, as even a cursory examination of various outlets will show". As for your gloating that Abbott has the left buggered, as I say, there is no mainstream Left in this country. I'm ideologically a Labour voter but haven't voted for them for decades because their policies are rightwing. The Drum article implies that this Labor-conservatism is a flawed tactic because Labor thereby alienates many of its progressive supporters, but I don't agree; these are just those at the noisy margins, many of whom will at the end of the day relapse into fostering their private interests long before their altruism is practically realised. Sadly, in my opinion you can be comforted, Keith, that when it comes to the crunch on any vital issue--climate change, humanitarianism, social welfare--Australia will vote conservative in the true bourgeois tradition. Posted by Squeers, Sunday, 15 May 2011 8:45:33 AM
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Keith
>> Abbott and the Liberals have an advantage because the liberals are not perceived in the community as playing labor spin games. << Har, har, har! Er, no the Libs 'are perceived as' playing Liberal spin games. Neither party appear to be concerned about Australia either in humane terms or have the vision required for future concerns of failing infrastructure, alternative energy, welfare for people who actually need it (just like the Libs, Labor is hitting out at the most vulnerable; disabled people, single mums, unemployed etc), fair and free education (the chaplaincy program only satisfies the religious right). How you manage to discern the difference between the two major parties? Well fact is Keith, you don't - if you had any ability for analysis you would realise what posters before me have told you Labor is as right-wing as the Liberal party. PS No politician should be seen wearing budgie smugglers. Posted by Ammonite, Sunday, 15 May 2011 9:30:24 AM
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Squeers,
/// The ABC only looks left wing because the mainstream media borders on fascism! /// /// Even the ABC is "necessarily" rightwing in its content …/// You must be tuned into a different ABC! The ABC I hear/see systematically favours the asylum seeker narrative –despite the fact that the majority of electors are wearied & cynical of the whole scam. The ABC hear/see systematically hypes the AGW narrative—despite the fact the majority are either neutral of sceptical. The ABC I hear/see continually promotes a hardcore left-liberal multiculturalism—despite the fact that the majority either favour a softer version or are opposed any (state sponsored) version. /// ideologically a Labour voter but haven't voted for them for decades because their policies are rightwing/// Interesting. So -- since we are all anonymous here -–which party do you vote for Squeers? Which party has shown itself authentically leftwing & class conscious & new age & progressive enough to merit your vote? Posted by SPQR, Sunday, 15 May 2011 9:51:55 AM
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Of course Alan Jones and the other shock jocks are all Labor Party flunkies, just like today tonight and kochie's Sunrise and on and on and on. The ABC only looks left wing because the mainstream media borders on fascism! The ABC couldn't be more mainstream; if it dared to make a critical analysis it'd have zeros like you chucking hissy-fits. Anyway, the Labor Party's conservatism in drag.