*I have worked with many people in law enforcement and the stories about some of the brothels don't always paint a picture of women in control of their destinies.*

Pelican, the same could be said about the many marital disputes
that police attend on a daily basis.

FWIW, I have no hesitation in admitting that I have paid females
for sex, because of the sheer convenience.

When I was younger I was more like Houllie, but the day comes when
you have more notches on the board then you can remember and the
club/pub scene isn't your thing anymore, so you have nothing left
to prove and can't be bothered with the drama.

Unlike Houllie, I've seen a huge amount of deception going on, as
blokes will say anything to get into girls pants, whilst girls are
hoping for some kind of commitment. Some of the emotional scars
that are involved, cause an awful lot of pain and stress. Its not
part of my character or integrity to do the same. But yes, it would
be easy.

As to sex workers, they come in all shapes and sizes. Yes, some
are drug addicts, but they exist all through our community. Others
are Asian university students trying to keep up with the huge amounts
that we charge them, all the way to middle aged types who hate the
thought of a 9-5 office job and would prefer to work for themselves
then for any boss. Some are really nice and friendly, some are not.

Most are far more pragmatic about the world then your common housewife.

The thing is, its fairly pointless to get into a relationship,
mainly for the sex. But its also reality that blokes need to have
a woman in bed occasionaly. Given that top chicks are rare in
the meatmarket and mostly married, sex workers fulfill a practical
role out there and are honest about things, which is not always
the case in the marriage market.

Jewely, Daphne Patai, in Heterophobia referred to the work of Joel Best, about how claim makers go about establishing their claim.

The use of emotional analogies is fairly frequent, combining for instance, sexual harrasement and rape, or prostitution and violence. This is used to override the more logical thinking processes.

This author does this at the begining by where she lists the deaths of prostitutes and offenders. It doesnt really matter that a person is much more likely to be killed in a motor vechile accident, than be murdered.

So a picture of negativity begins to the emerge, as negative words are used and outcomes are painted negatively.


So the author quickly extrapolates these cases to apply across the board.

That these murderers were more than likely to be Psychopaths or to display psychopathic traits than the ordinary jo blow on the street.

Daphne Patai (Joel Best) once society begins to accept a particular claim then more and more instances are found, thus the claim grows and expands.

Back in the 1960's it was claimed that marriage was a patriarchial construct designed to keep women oppressed and in servitude. Rather than veiwing marriage as a binary relationship that was fluid in dynamics and complementary, where things like caring and nurturing just happened to take place.

Yet I theorize that if as a society we were not so hung up on sex, than we would not have half the problems that we now have.

But then how would people then be manipulated and controlled.

Jewely http://jezebel.com/#!5632689/what-is-birth-rape

Anybody remember the scene in Hancock where Hancock is rescuing the female police office sheltering behind a shot up police car and he stops to ask her permission?

On the other hand courtesy and privacy should be given where they can reasonably be given. It's a balance but I suspect that those who tie the term rape to child birth are not much about balance.

R0bert

Thanks R0bert got it. My experience is hospitals for males and females are places where people get treated quite badly and come out the other end feeling they’ve been abused in all kinds of ways.

James:“The use of emotional analogies is fairly frequent, combining for instance, sexual harrasement and rape, or prostitution and violence. This is used to override the more logical thinking processes.”

Okay but the author has chosen a field of work here where it might be easier to believe?

But stuff like;

“On today’s show, as we cross from one continent to another, we witness the widespread, humiliating, emasculation of men and boys, which is now deeply embedded in the way we view equality and social justice in the western democracies.
The manipulated silent majority which makes up our communities, blindly accepts the incredible debasement of the male of the human species, and laughs at their demise and discomfort, as they struggle with the constant attacks on their dignity and persona.
As happened with other human rights abuses of the past, an ignorant community led by weak leadership, unquestioningly accepts the demonizing, stereotyping and marginalizing of members of a particular societal group, and fails to recognize this bigoted behaviour as an abuse of fundamental human rights. “
http://politics.feedfury.com/content/48013895-dads-on-the-air-12-apr-2011-in-support-of-men.html

Isn’t it the same thing?

James:”Back in the 1960's it was claimed that marriage was a patriarchial construct designed to keep women oppressed and in servitude.”

Yeah it didn’t work though, well didn’t work on me as I was learning to walk or my mum and sisters. One sister is a feminist but married. Or I may have chosen servitude as all good. I'm going to think about it.

Well a chat and coffee with a friend is probably better than a social worker in many cases.

“Houlley
“I think pelican, basically, you think that the idea of men paying women for sex is men disrespecting women for a start. But why isn't women demanding money to sleep with a guy disrespectful?”

That is not what I said, nor is it what I think. I said that men who use these services don’t always treat these women with respect or call it courtesy if you like. And that is regardless of how honest or not these transactions might be. It is not disrespectful to ask for money for sex if your business is selling sex. What is disrespectufl is to use these services and then diminish the role or refer to these women as "nothing but whores" (in terms of the comments made by serial killers of prostitutes). In other words their status marks them as less than human. No matter how pure you paint it in terms of honest transactions, the cultural significance does not go away.

Sex-workers don’t have a table at the Careers Day at schools so lets not pretend it is like any other job.

Clearly there is some stigma attached to both the user and the provider but the sex worker bears the brunt IMO. Mainly because nobody would know if a man they just met regularly visits sex workers. I would not want to go out with one admittedley if I did know because of the potential health risks. And if I was honest I do find the whole scenario a bit icky for some reason.

Women I think, don’t like the idea of prostitution because they don’t like to imagine their partner/husband might one day wish to use a stranger rather than have sex with them. It is similar to a betrayal however, that said, many women also believe it is a legitimate service that men (and some women) sometimes seek out particularly if they are lonely, disabled or single as long as it not their partners.

“So, if you want to destroy the slut phenomena, this supposed hypocrisy, you have to destroy the male as dirty perverted predatory abuser stereotype”

But males are not perceived in that extreme stereotype, that is only a distorted representation by the ‘feminazi’ accuser crowd.

Society regards women as the ‘slut’ because of ideas around women who have random sex without feeling or commitment as failing in some way. It also throws back to issues around paternity - ensuring the husband is the father - enter the idea of 'slut' much of it based on traditional cultural norms which have slowly evolved to some extent. The idea of promsicuous women juxtaposes too much with the nurturing and mothering role for some people particularly if the women is a sex worker which is not quite the same thing as being promiscuous.