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The Gallipoli Experience - a traveller's reflection : Comments

By Sharon Fox, published 21/4/2011

How a tourist trip turns into a pilgrimage.

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People from Burma, Indonesia and Libya are presently barging into Australia in little boats, because they do not appear to agree with your premise that their former homelands are more free than Australia.

It is the right of the advanced states to intervene improve the lot of people in the failed states, because if we do not, then sooner or later it will come back to bite us in the form of totalitarian regimes which are totally committed to our destruction, or shiploads of “refugees” who will become a burden to us.

Colonialism and white rule was the best damned thing that ever happened to all of the failed states which are causing so many problems for the world community today. The hope that Muslim societies would evolve into successful states like the Asian societies, was dashed because we did not do our best to destroy this evil religion and replace it with something better. As for the Africans and many other black societies, we failed to understand that people barely out of the Stone Age just did not have the required intelligence to run a modern state. We failed them by abandoning them to themselves.

Once again you seem to be saying that you have a problem with “the state”. Once again, I will reiterate that “the state” is simply an organized form of government. You either have that, or you have anarchy.

The western, secular, democratic, capitalist state is still the very best form of government on this planet, regardless of what problems may accrue, which can be peacefully resolved. Such a state is a high trust society, which depends upon a large number of intelligent people to be committed to its continued existence. It requires that people must sublimate their personnel self interest for the common good.

Unfortunately, there are some societies on this planet who’s collective intelligence is very low, and for whom the idea of working towards the common good is a novel idea, and democracy could never work for them.
Posted by LEGO, Friday, 29 April 2011 7:53:21 AM
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lego,

What sad little rants trickle off your fingertips.

....although they're a telling revelation of just how ordinary, closeted and characterless is the realm of bigotry.
Posted by Poirot, Friday, 29 April 2011 9:36:17 AM
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Look there's no doubt that there's a lot of sh!tholes in the world, that many peoples were better off under British rule than they have been under their own - Burma being a classic example – and that, in my experience, they are the first to agree (it's the comfortable white middle class westerners who squirm to acknowledge it).

But the altenative to the status quo is not "anarchy". It is to be peaceful as well as democratic, not thinking we are making the world a better place by blowing up goatherds and bridal parties in Afghanistan, and shopkeepers and schoolchildren in Iraq.

And good luck with trying to get rid of the Muslim religion. The very attempt would provoke the worst kind of world conflict and I have no desire to experience it.

The best aspects of western society do not consist of the bullying and obedience that you have in mind for the western world and everyone else.
Posted by Peter Hume, Friday, 29 April 2011 11:08:15 AM
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