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By Ted Christie, published 23/3/2011Climate change is real: but is a Carbon Tax-ETS the most appropriate action?
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Posted by popnperish, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 11:21:06 AM
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popperinpresh .. so that's what you want?
An ABC that only has the side of "your" truth and beliefs .. even if the majority of Australians do not believe in your alarmism, you still feel they are not entitled to some objectivity from the ABC and at least equal time? So you're happy when they tell you because of AGw there will be less snow and rain, and when they tell you now there will be more snow and rain .. you don't find any issue with that? Regardless of people's beliefs, right or wrong, it is not the place of the ABC to be "activist" central for a particular side or other.. not in politics or science. The bias of the ABC will be its downfall, and whil ethey have a lot of good programming I find their political and alarmist leaning is unacceptable Posted by Amicus, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 11:37:39 AM
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Climate fluctuations have been happening since the Earth cooled down. That's Nature & that's just the way it is. The climate changes & nature adapts, if a part of nature can't, or doesn't, adapt then it dies out. That's how nature works. When the Ice ages hit Europe humans shifted. Those that didn't move either adapted to the cold or died out. Most died out causing another bottle neck for Humans & the demise of the Neanderthal, Proto human (pioneer man) & Denisovans.
Modern humans have to do the same. Adapt or die. Not PC but such is life. To days panic is caused by those who have a vested interest in Real Estate & big Business. They don't want their prime, expensive land & holdings being made worthless. They don't want to change. It puts their whole Financial Economy out of wack for them. So in order to make LOTS of money for themselves, create a panic. They don't want to get people, or show people, how to adapt & accept the change they want them to get frightened & confused so they can make lots of money out of it. Governments take advantage of the fear being caused by the misinformation & spin being generated by the Greenies, Media & Government Biased people, etc. Posted by Jayb, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 12:07:00 PM
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A further point, made by other posters, is that you will never get more support on the media than the climate change story has now. Stories supporting the view than industrial activity has contributed to climate change are legion. Stories supporting the "denier" side are few and far between - admittedly they have become more frequent of late, but that was off a low base.
If global warmers cannot make the public believe in their case, and in the carbon tax, in the current climate of very substantial press suppoort, then they have problems indeed. Posted by Curmudgeon, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 12:44:09 PM
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Ted, there can be absolutely no doubt that this is a highly contentious, divisive and vexatious debate. There is really only one way to settle this and that is to put together the two distinct scientific perspectives and let them sort out just how dangerous or urgent any action might be. Is this so much to ask?
One of the key reasons skepticism is growing is because middle of the road, pragmatic people are asking why this is being refused. Not only is it being refused, those who are asking for this are denigrated, abused and marginalized as deniers and flat earthers. We also see a monumental effort being expended by the advocacy block, including MSM and public broadcasters, to “explain” to us numb nuts why we should accept only AGW science. The more the AGW advocacy block resists such a simple request as “let the scientists sort it out”, the more resistance and skepticism there will be. When the government tries to bulldoze a CO2 Tax through parliament, the more resistance and skepticism there will be. What is it you don’t understand about cause and effect? Today, we saw thousands of Australians converge on the heartland of the Urban Elites, Parliament House in Canberra, some to protest and some to support the CO2 Tax proposals. Firstly, there were those in opposition. These are Australians who have worked all their lives and paid taxes, have survived births, marriages and deaths, they have had mortgages, bought houses, paid their superannuation, educated their children, and some may have served in our defense forces. They say No to this tax. Then the government funded, pro-tax supporters comprising an American Green Peace representative, an Urban Elite activist from Canberra, and several spotty faced members of the 12th form “twittertariat”, none of whom I suspect have ever lodged a tax return. The Getup activists had the “front” to describe the Tax opposition as “Loopy”, “right wing extremist” and “carbon tsars”. Our media has stood by, it has watched, it has listened and as always, it has failed to inject any moral outrage at the abuse. Posted by spindoc, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 2:29:19 PM
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>> Our media has stood by, it has watched, it has listened and as always, it has failed to inject any moral outrage at the abuse. <<
Spindoc, the media shock-jocks are having a field day, despite assertions to the contrary: http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s3169309.htm Spindoc, you don't have to cry crocodile tears here - the Bolts, Ackermans and Jones' will do it for you - that you can be sure of. Btw, can you back up EQ's "best evidence" figures? They are completely out of whack to all the primary sources I get data from. Posted by bonmot, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 2:51:42 PM
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It is to its great credit that the ABC does not give a run to the high profile deniers although one would have thought Tony Abbott in his wavering, non-scientific, irresponsible stance on the issue gets enough air-time on the ABC.