Paul Walters,
While feminists and their supporters portray women as being "nuturers", the facts are that motherhood is in an abysmal state of decline (and I have yet to see any statistics that shows that motherhood in this country is improving in time).

While feminists and their supporters portray women as undergoing great advances, the facts are that women's levels of happiness have not improved for about 4 decades (and I have yet to see any study that has concluded that they have).

If only feminists would be honest, or would this be too much to ask of a feminist.

Give the true facts regards motherhood, and give the true facts that women's general levels of happiness have not improved.

They can also give the true facts about children while they are about it, and I can't think of too much that is improving for children either.

As for fathers, well they don't count or have no value in a feminist society, and there have been almost no studies undertaken into fathers in this country.

Factory acts UK

1842: Mines Act. This stopped children under 9 and women from working underground.
http://www.angryharry.com/refactoryacts.htm

1845: Calico Print Works Act. This related to factories printing designs on cotton fabrics. Children under 8 were not to be employed. Those under 13 and women were not to work between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m. Children under 13 should attend school for 30 day per half year.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1312764/Britains-child-slaves-New-book-says-misery-helped-forge-Britain.html

Perhaps maybe an unintended consequence of the suffuregettes and feminists, is that in some cases they lead indirectly to better working conditions for men.

There's an interesting piece on The Order of the White Feather at http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWfeather.htm

Especially some of the material at the bottom of the article.

The Wikipedia entry at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_feather

There is also a sad piece on World War 1 executions for cowardice.
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/world_war_one_executions.htm

R0bert

Two things have dawned on me.

Firstly because of the sufferagettes and feminists, the common man indirectly gets better working conditions.

Secondly, Many of the third world countries are similar to where england was 150 years ago and whilst conditions are poor for many women who do not happen to be members of the ruling class, it is also equally poor for many of the common men as well.

So improved conditions for women in these countries, will indirectly benefit men by providing them with better conditions as well.

James H, that's exactly the rationale behind an apparently successful scheme to finance women as small operators, first in BanglaDesh, now also in other third world countries. The women have proven to be careful and diligent in using the small loans to pay off debts and establish income of a steady nature. For instance, a woman has a talent with sewing and clothes making, so they finance her to acquire a sewing machine and when given that sort of chance, it's apparently remarkable how often the women will make a fist of utilising their new lifeline.
I forge the name of the chap who dreamed it up, a South Asian himself but an economics professor who may have ended up winning the Nobel prize for it if my memory serves me correctly.

JamesH
I would place no reliance on the trickle down effect. It is a very blunt instrument that seldom achieves worthwhile results in a worthwhile time frame.

While men pay the majority of personal income tax, I believe there was someone who analyzed the federal budget, and found that for every $300 being spent on women, only $1 was being spent on men.

From that view point, men are simply being used in our feminist society, while at the same time, almost nothing positive is said about the male gender.

I would place much more reliance on risk assessment and risk control measures that can be applied for either gender.

Unfortunately for feminism, almost every ideal of feminism has been found to have high risk.

De facto relationships are normally short lived and are not suitable for raising children.

Single parent families are notorious for producing disadvantaged children.

The abysmal state of motherhood in our country is now becoming a direct health threat to children

Etc, etc

The so-called patriarchal system of society, while it had negatives, it had many more positives than negatives compared to the feminist models.