http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11665#199457

Rhian, poor dear Lefty, King Hazza's point was that these problems are universal "multiculturalism", "Mass immigration" has not & is not working, anywhere in the entire world.

It worked fine in the USSR before 1989 because it was a totalitarian regime whose KGB, Military & Police could control all of the racial unrest it causes. Ditto for the former Yugoslavia. Ditto for China right now because it still is a totalitarian, 1 party, dictatorship.

North Korea does not even have this problem because it is almost entirely Korean apart from a couple of American soldiers who defected during the war & a few Japanese who were kidnapped.

Try reading all the other comments like i did & you might understand more about the views of 99-5% of the population.

On the subject of Muslims. Do you think some devout Muslim men might be "radicalised" by Fe"Man"Nazism, or seeing our "liberal" "tolerant" "decadent" society after they get here.

How do you think a devout Muslim male might react to losing his house, children in our Anti Family Law Courts? having his pay docked by the CSA? having a DVO/AVO slapped on him for shouting at his wife?

Does anybody from the RED/green, getup, GAYLP, Socialist Alliance ever think through the possible outcomes of their silly ideas? Or is everything they do a "plan for failure".

And no, nobody other than their friends & relatives from the earlier boats want these people here.

And yes you are a racist, because you hate white people.

Amicus

The term “racism” is commonly used to apply to sweeping and negative generalisations about a group of people based on their ethnicity, religion, culture or nationality. Your argument that Islam is not a “race” does not excuse you from the accusation of racism, especially as your attacks are directed at the culture of boatpeople as well as their beliefs.

You said, “it’s about perceptions. boatpeople, of Islamic background, do not like us and have no intention of ‘fitting in’, are happy to draw on all the available services, but look down on us as infidels, marry their cousins or people from "back home" - it's a convenience to be here only. Another perception - if they are prepared to pay a lot of money to come by this route, then they have something to hide. This applies to all boatpeople.”

The evidence you offer to substantiate these “perceptions” is the authority of others in your “community” who share your views. Hence I feel quite justified in saying that your views are based on unsubstantiated, self-reinforcing prejudice.

Some of the world’s most successful countries are based on migration. The USA would not be to world’s greatest superpower without waves of migration in the 19th and 20th centuries. Australia, Canada and New Zealand are migrant cultures, and richer for it.

Formersnag,

I’ve been called many things on these forums, but never a “lefty”. A most unlikely label to add to the collection.

rhian .. I don't need to offer any evidence at all, it's the usual empty response to an opinion .. "prove it!" .. it's an opinion, get over it

"The term “racism” is commonly used to apply to sweeping and negative generalisations about a group of people based on their ethnicity, religion, culture or nationality"

So calling a bunch of Australians you don't like, a "community of racists", as is their cultural bent and behavior is in fact racist .. so in your own words and definition you are a racist. Dear me some of you tangle yourselves up in your prejudices and anger with your fellow Australians.

briar, I asked where is that because I didn't think we had law covering that at all, and you called attention to it not me and now dodge it, if it was law and you could find it, I'm sure you would have put it up and crowed over it.

We behave the way we do towards refugees because of UN conventions and following that the policy of DIMI, not Australian law, is my understanding, which is why many people are questioning why we subscribe to UN conventions.

Why do we? Is it just feelgood stuff, or so we can replenish or grow our population?

rpg
calling a bunch of people who hate others on the basis of their race "racist" is no more racist than causing a bunch of people who steal others' property "thieves". If the label is appropriate to every member of the group, it's not a hostile generalisation but a statement of fact.

Briar rose - no, its not a matter of agreeing to disagree. You never responded to my queue jumping point.. you simply said that the law at the moment says we must treat them a certain way. Saying what happens now is not a counter argument. How do I know what your stance is, as you've never stated it?

If you disagree with the queue jumping point then why do you disagree? Why shouldn't the law be amended so that queue jumpers are sent back? I'm curious as activists never explain this point. They act as if those coming in by boat was all there was to the immigration program when, in fact, boat people make no difference of any kind to the overall numbers.