Oh dear, Ant. I don’t think your mention of the ozone layer was a good idea. The theory of the effect of CFCs on the ozone hole is looking increasingly shaky, and possibly another example of where the scientific consensus got it all wrong. The ban on CFCs started in 1989. So why was the biggest ozone hole on record in 2005 and then big ones again in 2008-2009? Clearly the ban on CFCs has not had the intended effect. Indeed the CFC theory has failed to predict the behaviour of the ozone hole during the last 15 years. But, since the ozone hole became noticed there have now been two full cosmic ray cycles and these do correlate with ozone hole behaviour. This theory did predict the large hole in 2009, the CFC theory did not. Expect another big one in 2019. http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v102/i11/e118501

There's big moves away from carbon in vic; before any tax comes about.
A truck just went past with Carbon free building materials advertised on the tarps.
Some people are not with the trend for their own agenda. Victoria will lead the way again.

cfcs break down ozone proven fact so please lets not cloud debate with unrelated conjecture

So I have 'followers' now? Gosh! I just thought they were independent thinkers who had considered the facts. But if they're blind, how can they see to follow me? Please explain.

And just to catch up -- the 'weather getting weirder' meme takes another body blow:

http://tinyurl.com/4rj2c5j

Jon J … “CO2 levels are probably higher than they have been for some thousands of years. But is there an established connection?”

Yes Jon, there is, an established connection which has been known and demonstrated for over 100 years. http://www.skepticalscience.com/The-Scientific-Guide-to-Global-Warming-Skepticism.html provides a useful explanation of how this happens and the empirical evidence showing that it does and is occurring.

Climate models are not intended to explain the past. They are meant to predict the future. The belief that the world has not been warming since 1998 is of course nonsense since every decade since 1960 has been warmer than the one before it and the year 2010 was the warmest on record.

Cumudgeon … “Although Andrew's statistics about the production of CO2 seem impressive, what he does not tell you is that they amount to 2 per cent or so of natural flows. That is, the human addition is tiny. No one disputes this.”

Every climate scientist disputes it and so does every Academy of Science in the world because they know the difference between CO2 from a volcano and from burning fossil fuel? How do they know? Simple.

The isotope of each is different so it is possible to see how much CO2 in the atmosphere came from burning fossil fuels and from “natural” sources. And the answer is that volcanoes do indeed emit 150-250 million tonnes of CO2 a year.

This is a drop in the ocean compared to the 31 BILLION tonnes of CO2 which is now being pumped into the atmosphere every year by burning fossil fuels. I you are interested, Professor Mandias explains this at
http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/global_warming/smoking_gun_humans_climate_change.html

If the IPCC hadn't been such deceptive liars and not tried to cook the books,then perhaps Andrew more us would listen.