>> when the debunkers come up with a forecast as accurate as that of deFreitas, McLean and Carter then maybe I will believe them. But I am still waiting. <<

For the onlookers, it's worth checking out the rebuttal paper:

http://www.jamstec.go.jp/frsgc/research/d5/jdannan/comment_on_mclean.pdf

This piece at the ABC's Drum says more, but I find the comments most enlightening, particularly as you get involved malrob:

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/33364.html

Malcolm Roberts (malrob), in your recent open letter to Professor Karoly you write:

"In recent years, as well as learning more about climate I have been learning more about true forgiveness ... Associated with the power of forgiveness, the work of Marshall Rosenberg and my own personal experience shows that knowing one's needs and identifying another person's needs enables both to find ways to fulfill their real needs ... After understanding your needs I'm confident I will be able to assist you in meeting your needs"

Can I ask; how do you think Professor Karoly should respond to you?

Well, as a total non scientist it is a pleasure to see a sensible
discussion on this subject among those that seem to know a lot more
than I do.

I have a question;
Will the more realistic amounts of hydocarbon fuels, ascertained by
the Uppsala Universities Global Energy Systems Group, to be
significantly less than the amounts used by the IPCC computer models
make a significant difference to the IPCC findings ?

If water vapour has a negative effect, are all the CO2 regulations
and projects a total waste of time and money ?