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Pakistan needs courage from all its leaders : Comments

By Lisa Curtis, published 7/1/2011

Pakistan's future lies in being a tolerant society, and its leaders must stand-up for this principle.

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Pakistan, put simply is a “Failed State”. Why not acknowledge the obvious? It is, as always, a “Sows Ear” never to be a “Silk Purse”.

What will be the cost to Australia of the new incursion into Pakistan: A step in the wrong direction again and straight from neighbouring Afghanistan, I wonder!
Posted by diver dan, Friday, 7 January 2011 9:21:36 AM
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“Pakistani authorities must deliver swift justice to the murderer and any possible co-conspirators to send a signal that such violent fanaticism has no place in Pakistani society, regardless of the fear and intimidation they might feel in doing so.”

They won’t

They’ll say Qadri, the trigger-man, was acting alone and leave it at that.

The day before Taseer’s funeral A BBC Newshour reporter went through the streets of Karachi asking people their opinion on Taseer’s assassination. All five of those whose interview was broadcast expressed the view that Taseer had to die for “insulting Islam”. One said that if Qadri was hanged he would be a martyr. I have a recording of the BBC segment but no way of posting it here.

In a very real way Qadri seems to have been carrying out the will of the Pakistani people.

In other words, it appears Qadri is representative of MAINSTREAM Islam in Pakistan.

Remember folks, Qadri belongs to the same “elite” guard units that guard Pakistan’s nukes.

Now there’s a scary thought.
Posted by lentaubman, Friday, 7 January 2011 9:36:06 AM
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>>The bodyguard Malik Mumtaz Hussein Qadri was detained immediately after the shooting at Kohsar Market in Islamabad. He confessed to the murder, said Pakistan's interior minister, Rehman Malik.

At his first court appearance in Islamabad the guard was showered with rose petals by sympathetic lawyers and hugged by other supporters.>>

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12116764

I guess that says it all.
Posted by lentaubman, Saturday, 8 January 2011 9:18:16 PM
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Absolutely.

Pakistan really needs to declare war on its extremists. Because whether they like it or not, they are under attack and delay only strenghtens their enemy.

The ISI's use of the Taliban as a bulwark against Indian hegemony in Afghanistan has come back to haunt them. The rise of Islamo-Facism in Pakistan is now well advanced, with all levels of the military and gov't having been infiltrated.

Pakistan has a choice to make, and its maybe already too late. But they need to decide whether they want to be the country Muhammad Ali Jinnah wanted for them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_Jinnah#Jinnah.27s_vision_for_Pakistan Or the country that Osama Bin Laden and the Pakistani Taliban wants them to become.

The time, when they could use islamo-facism for their own ends, is over.
Posted by PaulL, Saturday, 8 January 2011 10:59:31 PM
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PaulL

I keep coming back to the fact that this country has nukes.

It's like some kind of nightmare.
Posted by lentaubman, Sunday, 9 January 2011 10:01:55 AM
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But the loony left think thats not a problem, because any nuclear attack on the US or India or Israel, would provoke massive retaliation. What they don't understand is that the Islamo-Facists are not motivated by narrow self interest. They have twisted principles that they stand for.The Taliban knew that by not giving up Osama Bin Laden, they were effectively destroying their country. And they did it anyway.

The bigger problem is organised looting of nuclear material, for use by terrorist groups. How do we defend against that? How do you effectively retaliate against a group that has no borders to defend, no gov't and no identifiable home?
Posted by PaulL, Sunday, 9 January 2011 11:15:14 AM
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To say the least, it is a worry.
I am concerned that by bringing muslems into Australia we are setting
ourselves up for the same troubles.
The problem is the religion and no trendy protests about human rights
will change that.

The moderates are too frightened of the religious to speak out and we
can see that they have good reason to be frightened.

Why should we bother with the problem, it is their problem not ours ?
Just don't have them here and we will not have the problem here.

It is soon to get a lot worse. Their electricity system is failing
and they cannot pay the higher prices for coal.
There is srious risk of a major shutdown.

Think what excuses that will give the deranged militants.
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 10 January 2011 10:47:25 AM
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Pakistan is not a failed state, it’s a country…

Israel should give up on the gaza strip as everyones issued All-Palestine passports. Does not matter location it’s their province.

These people in Pakistan are great people with big spirits, living and thinking in harmonious ways.

Religious people have no rights in politics, they have not got the right to verb their teachings in politics, they don’t have the right to use their interest and/or hobbies as an excuse to harm or torment others.

Politics is a business not a faith. In such sectors everyone should observe corporate measure ‘keep your personal interests at home and work at work’

Anyone in the world that has then intension of using religion as an excuse for religious surpremises ways and fanaticism will be tagged and labelled worldwide for their stupidity.

Religion is built on faith and faith alone nothing substantial.

Nature’s way is the real way, live it naturally!
Posted by BrettH, Monday, 10 January 2011 11:40:58 PM
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Israel is more technically advance than Pakistan, Pakistan are and have always been aware of that fact.

As I mentioned in my last post Pakistan are great people with big spirits, they know their limits because they are smart not stupid.

This does not impede of their efforts nor will they fold over Israel but fight to the end out of morals not power.

The world has been patient and good to the Jews, supporting them via church and donations made, they need to ‘pass it on’ and show that being the bigger country they can acknowledge the real ownership of Gaza strip.

Pakistan can always ask for Russia or China to help to dispense of these terrorists group their way.

China is the head of power in the fourth quarter with plenty of resources to take care of the local problem
Posted by BrettH, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 12:13:31 AM
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Brett H

Israel and Pakistan are two completely separate countries. Pakistans current problems have NOTHING to do with Israel. It seems like you are confusing Pakistan with Palestine.

You can declare that Politics should be free from religion. But its irrelevant to the Pakistanis. Their hardline religious leaders are looking for power and they are pretty close to being ready to take it.
Posted by PaulL, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 7:54:12 AM
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I have an unpopilat theory as to why moslems become so irrational in
the extremes of their faith.
Cousin marriage is very common in their society.
I think it comes from an attempt to keep land in the family.
However the genetic intellectual disabilities result in behaviour
pattens that we see in their wayout demonstrations in support of the
shooting of the Punjab governor.

We reason that it was unreasonable to kill him because it lowers the
threshold for a reason to kill someone.
They do not seem to be able to reason beyond the immediate act.

If you doubt my reasoning google British House of Commons
Parliamentary inquiry on cousin marriage in Midland areas of Britain.
Also NSW Health Dept report on Auburn hospital genetic defects
inquiry.

It is a serious problem.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 10:34:51 AM
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