Shadow minister,

I couldnt resist your comment. Reminds me of a Monty Python sketch of 'we are all individuals' all chanted in unison. Conformity isnt just the burden of religious ideology.

I am so over this "we" thing Christians persist in getting into.

You are not speaking for me, Mr Johnson. You are speaking to and for the people who think as you do, that is your community, of which I am not one.

The use of the term"we" in a journal such as this is inappropriate. The readership is broad. You are excluding many people. This is extremely bad manners.

As for your statement that "we" are an ordered lot - not only am I not Christian but Im not very ordered either.

Mother of God. When will it end?

Perhaps a little history may help this discussion:

http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/articles/saturnalia

The Germans huh.lol........well its seems that the christian cult is nothing more than a piece from here and a piece from there. Thats why the jigsaw doesn't make sence:)

Johnny...said

"Religion should be like sex, private and personal.
Posted by Johnny Rotten," Friday, 17 December 2010 9:15:02 AM

Well....amen to that.

BLUE

Thank you, Mark, for a lovely piece, capturing some of the anarchic spirit of the season. Our Advent study group recently focussed on the Song of Mary – now there’s a revolutionary manifesto!

Blue/Johnny, I fully support secularity that keeps the State separate from religion, that insists on freedom of conscience and prohibits official religion. We are all free to accept any religion or none. But I will not accept that you can set the conditions on how I practice my faith, still less its content. Authentic Christianity cannot be confined to the private and personal

How Christian-ISM as a would be world conquering power and control seeking IDEOLOGY systematically SMASHED/trashed (or tried to) all other religious and Spiritual cultures on this earth-world.

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~spanmod/mural/panel13.html

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/cruelty.html

http://www.logosjournal.com/hammer_kellner

Such was/is the inevitable result the moment that the early church was co-opted by the Roman state, and thus became a key player in the Western drive for total power and control over every one and every thing.

And by the FACT that christian-ISM (the religion ABOUT Jesus) wrongly claims to be the one true "faith"/way/revelation. Implying of course that all other faith traditions are necessarily false and thereby HAVE to be converted to the "one true way".
Such a claim and motive to convert all nations is also wrongly supported by the completely BOGUS "great commission".
Never mind that NOBODY ever heard Saint Jesus of Galilee say that.

Could not have heard him say that, because Jesus did not create the Christian religion - he was a Jew as were his direct disciples. He/they certainly would not have called themselves "christians".