"We have not been able to show that reason requires the moral point of view, or that all really rational persons should not be individual egoists or classical amoralists. Reason doesn’t decide here. The picture I have painted for you is not a pleasant one. Reflection on it depresses me …

Pure practical reason, even with a good knowledge of the facts, will not take you to morality."

Kai Nielsen (atheist) “Why should I be moral?” American Philosophical Quarterly 21, 1894: 90

"In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won’t find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice.

The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is at bottom no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference."

Richard Dawkins, River Out of Eden: a Darwinian View of Life, p. 133

“There are no gods, no purposes, no goal-oriented forces of any kind. There is life after death. When I die I am absolutely certain that I am going to be dead.

That’s the end for me. There’s no ultimate foundation for ethics, no ultimate meaning to life and no free will for humans either.”

Professor William Provine, (atheist) Origins Research, 16 (1), p.9 1994

"What sort of biological imperative drives homosexuals to plant their seeds in a man's rectum?

What sort of biological imperative toward survival drives homosexuals to engage in sexual activities..."
-Proxy

Who said anything about survival? Why do you assume that it is survival which motivates homosexuals to have sex?

I assume that homosexual behaviour is driven by the same sort of biological imperative that drives me to consume such vast quantities of cheese, even though a calorie-restricted diet containing far less cheese and more wholegrains and vegetables would provide considerable benefits with regards to my own survival. I just really, really like cheese, to the point where my love for the stuff usually outweighs my self-preservation instinct. It's actually quite common - there are a lot of people in this world who put pleasure ahead of longevity.

"Biological imperatives are the needs of living organisms required to perpetuate their existence: to survive. include the following hierarchy of logical imperatives for a living organism: survival, territorialism, competition, reproduction, quality of life-seeking. Living organisms that do not attempt to follow or do not succeed in satisfying these imperatives are described as maladaptive."

Maladaptive just about sums it up.
Synonym: dysfunctional.

This is what I've been saying all along.

So I'm dysfunctional or maladaptive 'coz I like cheese. On the other hand, my BMI (Body Mass Index) is so low that I'm almost underweight, and we all know obesity kills. So it's quite possible that I'm less dysfunctional/maladaptive than folk who are fatter than me. What is your BMI, Proxy? NB: not a rhetorical question - I want the statistics you love so much, as they pertain to your own body.

By your definition, anybody who is not a complete health-nut is dysfunctional/maladaptive. But I don't believe that, and I don't think you do either. The healthiest bloke I know is my athletic brother, who runs marathons for fun (wackjob). Despite his athleticism and his committment to good health, he still indulges in unhealthy practises - practises guaranteed to diminish his survival. He'll outlive us all by a long way, but I guess he must be considered dysfunctional and maladaptive.

Do you always put your health first, Proxy? Always? Have you never substituted white bread for whole-meal/grain? Is the fat you eat always unsaturated? Do you perform the amount of exercise that your GP recommends? Does your diet consist mostly of grains and vegetables, with a small amount of red meat, or are you as fond of a big juicy steak as the next man? What's your anti-oxidant intake like? How about your Omega-3:Omega-6 ratio? Are you getting enough calcium? What about iron? When was the last time you had a grapefruit? Do you wash your hands every time you go to the toilet? Are you sure - every time? Have you travelled outside of country recently? What sort of animals do you have regular contact with? What vaccinations have you received? What vaccinations haven't you received? Are you a carrier for cystinuria?

What!!?? You don't know the answer? Don't you care about your own health? Don't you care if you live or die? Such an an ambivalent attitude toward your own survival indicates that you are profoundly disturbed, and probably best described as 'dysfunctional' or 'maladaptive'.

This is not about you and your faith in Cheeses.

It's about dysfunctional, maladaptive behaviour being passed off as a biological imperative when it doesn't fit the criteria.

It's about elevating the unnatural and non-existent "right" of "gays" to "marry" over the natural birthright of children.

This is about the travesty of same sex "marriage" and its impact on innocent children.

Leave it alone, Proxy.
In the name of Cheeses.