Hahaha pelican you have such double standards. Yes I did write that to put a mirror up to all your assumptions about women always being forced to leave the cheating or emotionally distant man who refuses counselling.

'Perhaps educated women are more self-sufficient and are less prepared to accept those attributes that some women seem to put up with. Forgiveness is worthy but how many times? Many women are now less likely to stay with an abusive partner? Why should she? How is staying a positive outcome for either party including children?

It is a natural human need to feel loved. It does not have to be a romance novel, but there has to be at least respect, at least a liking for their partner, friendship and companionship.

If those ingredients aren't there marriages will often breakdown even if some attempt to improve the relationship through counselling or other means, but it has to take two.

What happens when there is only one person vested in the relationship - it will break down.'

Yes these days women no longer have to stay in abusive relationships due to financial necessity, now it is men who often stay in loveless and sexless marriages with the nagging emotionally manipulative wife, as they know that to the primary carer goes the house and majority custody, and to the primary earner goes the mortgage repayments.

"Yes these days women no longer have to stay in abusive relationships due to financial necessity, now it is men who often stay in loveless and sexless marriages with the nagging emotionally manipulative wife, as they know that to the primary carer goes the house and majority custody, and to the primary earner goes the mortgage repayments."

That might be the case. I don't pretend to speak for all women or all men, I am only responding to some of the 'set in concrete' claims made by some of the male posters in this thread in regards to generalisations about women and divorce.

You can interchange 'woman' with 'man' at anytime in any of those statements as most reasonable people don't always think of things in terms of gender. I used the term 'woman' as it is women being demonised by the usual bitter and twisteds. If someone hoes into the all men are B's diatribe, I will also be defending them in like terms, but one rarely encounters that on OLO.

If you can't see that then perhaps you should turn your mirror around.

I don't really give a toss about whether a male/female is reluctant to go to counselling or is aloof or whatever. We all make our own decisions about all matters personal - it really does not matter what any of us think.

More fool anyone who stays in an abusive relationship whether it be physical or emotional. Women don't get full custody anymore, it is shared parenting except in obvious circumstances.

What happened to your moderating touch?

I'm just getting back to my divisive roots pelican. Pipers resurgence has encouraged me to re-live my glory days. This place used to be fun.

Typical bloody male found a female to blame.

:P

Yes behind every great man is a great woman.

Behind the bad men there isn't a woman in sight!

"Behind the bad men there isn't a woman in sight!"

She is too busy doing the washing up.

:P

(Hopefully humour is still allowed on OLO)