Just remember folks, when "christians" object to abortion on religious grounds, particularly biblical literalists, they are hypocrites of the first order.

Abortion may or may not be wrong, but the "christian" "god" has no objection to killing. Killing adults, killing children, killing first-born males of a given family, or even the disemboweling of pregnant women before their husbands, usually by proxy. (as a father, I imagine that the fathers of the first-bormn of egypt would regard "christ's" crucifixion as a light sentence).

Any "christian" church or adherent that has not expressly disavowed the old testament cannot comment honestly or thoughtfully about abortion.

Rusty

Rusty and Runner anymore carry-on about what Christians do or do not allegedly believe will be regarded as off-topic. If you want to have an argument about that start a general thread and I _might_ approve it.

Don't forget that our system of 'representatives';
1- Are only elected by the largest party-preference MINORITY per electorate
2- these electorates in question are forced to vote for whichever party proxy is allocated to their region for their preferred party to effectively be supported (thanks to the double nature of select parliamentarians also filling executive roles)
3- voters in safe seats, as well as voters in opposition seats are completely ignored in these issues- only the tipping balance are considered
4- There really is nothing to do with 'representation' -we elect which personalities we feel least pricarious about to do whatever THEY like.

Considering differences of spending, workplace policy, war policy or refugee policy (real or only percieved)- voter's personal safety is likely going to dominate which package deal they'd rather vote for.

If there were a referendum- it'd be a different story- but that would require us becoming an actual democracy.

So, Hazaa,

We could have *optional* preferences, thereby starving the minor parties more, though justly depriving those beyond the pale.

... or we could go for the same system used for senate quotas, this would get a few more voices of sanity in, leave the same parties with a reduced majority in power and let the fundies have their justly deserved and excessively generous 1% representation, as in the senate.

I suggest we distribute laser skirmish gear to all and let the "survivors" vote.

Or restrict it to those who could pass high school or better, Right now, no warning, no study time......

Rusty

[Deleted and poster suspended. Appears very provocative after my comments above.]

[And deleted for the same reasons also and suspension made indefinite.]