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Made in Dagenham : Comments

By John Töns, published 29/10/2010

How far has wage equality really come?

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under one God, "it failed to mention the true cause...
members..boys-club..sitting on multiple boards"

Boys Club?! What absolute nonsense, the greed of some who assume senior roles is not gender based and there is no 'club' although the few might cooperate for time but for their own individual benefit. It doesn't take very long especially for the narcissists who are common in senior positions to forget that they are there to serve the organisation and begin to think that the organisation is there for their personal benefit.

Any shareholder who doesn't take a vital interest in the operation of company's internal audit and audit committee is destined to lose his/her money one day and probably sooner than later. Do you ever see reports and recommendations of the internal audit team? Do the recommendations seem simple, hard-nosed and practical? Are the recommendations being implemented? If not, why not on all of the above. Regular audit ensures transparency and accountability in management decision-making.
Posted by Cornflower, Saturday, 30 October 2010 12:54:48 PM
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@cornflower your response highlights the nub of the problem as a society we simply do not recognize by way of remuneration a host of essential tasks that need to be done for society to function. As a result the men and women who undertake these tasks can find themselves in financially precarious positions. Equality is not merely about doing a head count but ensuring that our political and social institutions are designed with principles of fairness in mind.
The reality is that our systems are structurally unfair and those who simply reduce this to a debate of us versus them miss that point. Social justice is about giving everyone equality of opportunity to implement their rational plans of life. Equality of opportunity means that you ensure that there are no artificially generated obstacles - if people then choose to ignore those opportunities that becomes an other question entirely.
The other point that people have made is that the result of the Dagenham event was that Ford moved off shore.
Whether Ford moved because of the equal pay position is contentious but it is a credible claim; it is a reflection of our unjust global system for it means that multinationals will be in attracted to countries with the weakest industrial & environmental laws.
However, the solution is not to tolerate injustice domestically the solution should be to boycott the products of those multinationals that employ child and slave labour, do not pay fair wages and destroy the environment - were we to do that the Chinese economic miracle would be nipped in the bud and that creates another problem for the USA is keeping its head above water thanks to Chinese investment.
Posted by BAYGON, Saturday, 30 October 2010 1:06:39 PM
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The problem with the women in the Ford Dagenham strike (and with unionism generally), and with the author's article, and with the respondents' posts is that the context is treated like holy writ. The context first of all of a nationalism that doesn't obtain in the real world, and ergo an equality that also doesn't exist in the real world. Women have the power to change the world, but all they can think about is attaining parity with the gormless men in the second context that doesn't have to be, capitalism; nothing but a reified economic abstraction--which just happens to have 6 billion devout worshippers.
Even putting aside this undignified scramble for an evenly gendered share, why don't the assholes earning the mega-bucks (mostly men on a million to 200 million $ per annum salaries. On the radio this morning it was announced that these jokers just voted themselves a 54% pay-rise) have to demean themselves in the streets over the crusts?
Really, we deserve to be screwed like this. As long as we treat this insane dispensation like it's the natural order of things, or God-given, we're no better than baa-lambs.
Posted by Squeers, Saturday, 30 October 2010 3:53:00 PM
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Sorry OUG, just read your post. For once we find ourselves in perfect agreement.
Posted by Squeers, Saturday, 30 October 2010 4:11:32 PM
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one base pension..should suit..the darn lot-of/em
UOG,
As much as I would like to see that, I think the chances of achieving that are on par with flat Tax. Yes, equality is indeed one of the most difficult things to balance in a democracy.
Posted by individual, Saturday, 30 October 2010 6:22:21 PM
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Squeers... the fat cats you refer to should be hung out to dry...I agree.

But the problem is.. US... 'we' the greedy shareholders (though I don't have any) don't have the balls or selflessness to bring it about.

I'm thinking of changing my electricity supplier to the one where the CEO has the LOWEST salary... there is one..COUNTRY ENERGY..unfortunately they don't cover my part of the land.

I'd also hang out to dry the scumbag UNION bosses who are more insidious because they get their dosh from DESTROYING the country rather than building wealth or adding value.

THIS...is hilarious:

//Democrats, on the other hand, believe that when more products are made in America, more families will be able to Make It In America. That's why Democrats are pursuing the Make It In America agenda, a plan to create middle-class jobs by rebuilding our manufacturing sector.//

Hmmmmm...now WHO runs the Democrats ? is it not the scumbag UNIONS who kept on demanding ever increasing wages and benefits and pensions which were the very THING that cause America to be UNcompetitive!

Why did the jobs goto China ? Because Americans are PAID SO MUCH and Chinese are PAID SO LITTLE.

There are 2 chances of 'restoring manufacturing' in America .. buckleys and none.

The Democrats and Union bosses like Stern and Trumka don't care squat about restoring manufacturing..they only care about 'SOUNDING' relevant, so their other agenda can continue!
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Saturday, 30 October 2010 8:48:01 PM
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