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The cost of telling the truth in the United States : Comments

By Kourosh Ziabari, published 14/10/2010

The media in the US have simply lost their independence and succumbed to the Zionist lobbies.

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It is dissapointing that OLO deems such blatant propoganda to be part of its free discourse.

9/11 terrorists were Muslim. London bombers were Muslim. etc etc. Therefore all Muslims are terrorists etc etc. If I wrote an article with such logic, I would rightfully be lambasted for its bigotry.

Keep this filth off OLO, or is OLO's new format striving towards new lows
Posted by Brian Kollin, Thursday, 14 October 2010 8:28:32 AM
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Are you one of the Chosen people, Kollin?

Your logic is undeniable,Kollin.But it doesnt hide the truth that most thinking people tumbled to a long time ago. The Zionist have been swinging a decaying corpse of the US for some time...since 1947 actually. possibly even earlier.

socratease
Posted by socratease, Thursday, 14 October 2010 9:39:25 AM
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There are many prominent Jews.

Moses & Jesus in religion.

Spinoza in philosophy.

Einstein in science.

Chagall, Modigliani & Pissarro in art.

Mendelsohn in music.

Is it all a Zionist plot?
Posted by david f, Thursday, 14 October 2010 9:49:01 AM
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Socratease,

If I was or was not a member of your "Chosen People", how would that alter your prejudice? I presume you would have an answer for both.

Jewish conspiracy theories have abounded for decades - with no authentic evidence to back them up. Yours and the one in the article are not novel. With no need for comprehensive evidence, "undeniable" "logic" is no prerequisite for swaying opinions. Out of context examples, or evidence that is statistically insignificant, suffice. Prejudice is a self fulfilling prophecy. It is why "Asians are flooding Australia", why the twin towers had "no Jews" on the day they fell, why all "Muslims are terrorists" and why your question and the impeccable logic in this article are redundant
Posted by Brian Kollin, Thursday, 14 October 2010 9:52:30 AM
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To call this article 'filth' is infantile nonsense. The MSM in America is largely controlled by Jews whether Kollin likes it or not! In Australia, it's not much better.

Besides, this article helps to balance the duplicitous Jewish propaganda that frequently appears on OLO.

Good on you, Graham, for keeping some sort of balance going on your site.

Cheers.

P.S. A few articles dispelling the myths about America (such as appear on Information Clearing House) would help Australians to shed some of their mindless American indoctrination.
Posted by David G, Thursday, 14 October 2010 10:03:49 AM
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In support of this writer, one only has to remember the case of Helen Thomas in June of this year.

The honest response by Helen Thomas, until recently senior White House correspondent, when asked suggested that the 'Jews should get out of Palestine’.

We are all aware of Israel’s crimes and it's Jews only apartheid state, and its continuous devious intrusion into the US democratic process. Helen was clearly understating a growing frustration with the Jews, their inactivity in the US to support a serious effort for peace and the continuing murder and home demolitions occurring in Israel. She said it, whereas everyone else just knows it is right. I
n America, a gutsy effort.
In Australia, we may have to carefully monitor the efforts by Gillard, Danby, Emerson and others to introduce the kind of legislation that a corrupt US Congress approved, now represented by the Anti-Defamation League run by Abraham Foxman.

Freedom of speech in America?......There is none!

That statement above was directly responsible for her resignation and the orchestrated outcry through the Jewish-owned media, indicated accurately in the tenor of this article.

Be assured that Helen Thomas will be fondly remembered as an honest journalist going back to the days of Eisenhower and on, with her Jewish detractors very easily forgotten, and rightly so
Posted by rexw, Thursday, 14 October 2010 10:28:54 AM
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Once upon a time, if you sneered that Jews control the media and the government, you'd be accurately written off as an antisemite. However judging by the comments here, it seems provided you replace the word "Jew" with "Zionist", you can say exactly the same thing, without the guilt. As an added bonus, don't forget to argue that Jews call everybody an antisemite in order to stifle criticism of Israel. The perfect snooker. There is no such thing as antisemitism, and Jews are imagining the whole thing. Oh, and casually mentioning some of your best friends are Jewish is still an award winning line.

Articles like this represent the highest level of cognitive dissonance. On the one hand, they argue that Jews (sorry, sorry, Zionists) control the media. And yet... The articles get printed! It would seem then that the vast Jewish (sorry, Zionist) conspiracy isn't really throwing their weight around as much as they used to when the Protocols of the Elders of Zion insisted Jews ran the show.

Do you recall when Antony Loewenstein received virtually wall to wall coverage of his claims that he is 'silenced' for his views? Every single word he had published or broadcast, disproved itself.

And now we have the pleasure of an Iranian journalist slagging off the American media. I guess it's much safer then criticising the Iranian government eh?

Thank heavens Jews don't issue Fatwas.
Posted by Dan Lewis, Thursday, 14 October 2010 12:11:56 PM
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Sorry Dan, but the Zionists do issue Fatwas.

The assassination in Dubai was one, after which an Australian passport holder (Israeli passport as well, naturally) was asked to leave Australia. However, don't be alarmed, the compliant Australian government cancelled all that after a month. He may not have come back here to continue his dirty work but is carrying out his Mossad duties in some other country, just as effectively. Probably involved in the Dubai incident himself.

Then there's the Israeli Fatwa against the USS Liberty. 41 US sailors dead. Look it up. The Marine base in Lebanon, 200 dead; possibly the leader of Lebanon, Rafik Hariri; 9/11 (according to the CIA and the Military, http://www.911truth.org/); by proxy the Iraq war and Afghanistan, with Iran on the horizon. So they have them, but usually let the Americans do the fighting for them. They prefer to fight Palestinians who have no aircraft, guns, tanks, artillery or phosphorous. But they do have home-made rockets!

In the main Israeli Fatwas are a daily occurance, but are always represented as a false flag action, especially in the New York Times and anything printed by Murdoch.

Then of course, the Fatwa to beat all Fatwas. The massacres at Shatila and Sabra, under the directions of Ariel Sharon. Now they were cold-blooded episodes the likes of which have not occured since the days of the Nazi Himmler, from whom the Israelis learned their trade and then improved on the experience. Once again, unarmed civilians. They are experts at that.

So they are there, Dan. You just need to live in the real world, read a non-Jewish newspaper but better still, read the Internet.
Posted by Rhys Stanley, Thursday, 14 October 2010 2:27:04 PM
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Kourosh is described as a freelance journalist. This has an impressive ring to it....almost as if he is not beholden to anybody. Is this the case? Can we believe that Kourosh is a seeker of truth and someone who tries to be objective?

To answer this question I checked out the list of articles he has written. Every single one of them is critical of Israel and America. Now I don’t have a problem with Kourosh being critical of those 2 countries .......there is much to be critical of. My concern is that I could not find one article in which he is even an incy tincy wincy bit critical of Iran.....a country which presents an honest journalist with a wealth of human rights violations to expose. In fact an alien landing on earth and reading Kourosh’s articles could be forgiven for believing that Iran was a paragon of virtue.

Kourosh lives in Iran and has received an award from President Ahmadinejad who was photographed kissing Kourosh. I understand the difficulty that Kourosh would have in being critical of anything about Iran.

So do I find Kourosh a credible journalist? Alas no. He knows where his bread is buttered....as a mouthpiece for the powers that be in the Iranian regime
Posted by Poppyseed, Thursday, 14 October 2010 3:13:11 PM
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Dear Opium
If one does not criticise the US and if one only criticises Arabs then one may be regarded as a credible journalist.
Really ?

You must give up the poppy brew you're on. It is an obnoxious weed. It's is twisting your mind...if it hasnt already,Poppyseed.Worse than poppy is the stuff that gets peddled out of Zionist propaganda.For example, look at what it's done to the US. It's made them see stars. More than the 50 they have stuck on their flag.

socratease
Posted by socratease, Thursday, 14 October 2010 4:48:23 PM
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Are all media moguls Jews? I can think of at least one who isn't! This miserable diatribe has been going on for well over a thousand years. Among all of us 'People of the Book' the Jews have done the least harm and are the least numerous I wonder why? We Christians have never thought through a past where we behaved so viciously with heretics, 'unbelievers', witches, homosexuals, 'deviants' of any kind via crusades, pogroms, Inquisition, executions, forced conversion, excommunication, shunning and so on through hundreds of years. 'Our own faults writ large in others', perhaps.
Posted by d'Helm, Thursday, 14 October 2010 5:34:06 PM
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I must applaud Graham Young for publishing the reality of Zionist influence.We as a community must support independant ,unbiased reporting of the realities that mould our destinies.

There are many poor Jews who are also suffering from this disgusting oppressive form of modern totalitarnism.It is time to free all humanity from the insecurity of power lust.
Posted by Arjay, Thursday, 14 October 2010 9:55:00 PM
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IMPORTANT NEWS FLASH

Guess what?

Rupert Murdoch is Jewish.

Yes really.

RUPERT MURDOCH IS JEWISH.

It's all there on the jewwatch website. See:

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-entertainment-news-monopoly-murdoch-jew-part4.html

And that's not all.

Here is even more sensational news.

OBAMA IS JEWISH!

Forget all that bs about Obama being a secret Muslim. That's just a cover story for the REAL truth. OBAMA IS JEWISH.

See:

http://www.henrymakow.com/is_obama_literally_americas_fi.html

And there's more still. John Paul II was Jewish!

See: http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4158

What will we learn about Benedict XVI? Is he too a secret Jew?

Wow, these Jews are EVERYWHERE!

No wonder we Jews control the world.

Socratease, Arjay, rexw

Check under your beds tonight.

You never know what you may find hiding there.
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Friday, 15 October 2010 1:47:49 PM
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How did this lunatic get on to OLO.

Meyer...so you too are a jew.Ha..how did I kow?
But that's ok.
You'll probably find I am a Jew too.
So is Osama Bin Laden.
Anyone else we should know about?
My reply to all this is.... SO WHAT

socratease
Posted by socratease, Friday, 15 October 2010 2:52:25 PM
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Yes. I would also like to thank the Graham Young's of this world who consider that any comment is legitimate.
But one would have to ask why anyone would want to eliminate such writings from the OLO.

The facts are clear.

You won't see anything in The Australian or any Murdoch publication and regardless of Stephen's semi-jocular comment about Jews, Murdoch may not be Jewish but he is a Likudist in action and mentality. One should also remember that he runs Fox, financed by some of those international banks and is one man who certainly knows where the money comes from and in whom the power rests.
He would no more make an anti-Zionist comment than call Netanyahu a Zionazi or Obama a Israeli stooge, or Clinton a Zionist fellow-traveller, or Biden the Cheerleader for AIPAC or most of the Congress of the US, utterly compromised.

Nor would he say that the feckless, ignorant NEOCONS who advised Bush along the lines of "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction" and "the Iraqis will welcome us with open arms" were wrong. He is not that kind of person.

Why?

Because he jumps when told to. Gillard has also learned to jump in synch as well. Obliging, aren't they?

So if those people who would welcome seeing the US in the hands of the Republicans next month and under someone like Sarah Palin in two years
time and see young US and Australian soldiers providing the fodder for yet another Israeli-induced war, this time in Iran, then keep joking about the evils of this world, or worse still, ignoring the truth. That will put you in the same class as most of the American people who are too apathetic to realise they do not own their country any more.

What will happen when they find out?
Posted by rexw, Friday, 15 October 2010 3:47:16 PM
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Well of course Gillard jumps in synch.

Didn't you know that the political assassination of Kevin Rudd was a Zionist plot?

http://mwcnews.net/focus/politics/3488-pro-zionist-led-coup.html

It’s all there in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

http://galusaustralis.com/2010/06/3240/julia-gillard-%E2%80%93-a-jewish-plot/
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Friday, 15 October 2010 4:17:37 PM
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Don't some ignorant people realize that the West is locked in an existential struggle with Islam, in comparison the rise of China is of minor importance. Israel,tiny defenceless Israel,is on the front line protecting us from the Islamic hordes--who really should accept their treatment by the West and Israel and stop whingeing.

Of course every time some commenter writes 'Zionist',he/she really means 'Jew' and all criticism of Israel is motivated by anti-semitism. Once we accept that obvious fact there's no need to examine the ethics of the Israel-Palestinian conflict. Just put on your little tin foil hat and you'll be able to decipher all the 'code words' used on this site and while you're wearing the hat you'll realise where the Islamists got the inspiration to accuse critics of 'Islamophobia'.
Posted by mac, Saturday, 16 October 2010 2:21:57 PM
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Of course every time some commenter writes 'Zionist',he/she really means 'Jew'

http://alexwhite.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/DogWhistle.jpg
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Saturday, 16 October 2010 3:04:21 PM
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Don't some ignorant people realize that the West is locked in an existential struggle with Islam, in comparison the rise of China is of minor importance. Israel,tiny defenceless Israel,is on the front line protecting us from the Islamic hordes--who really should accept their treatment by the West and Israel and stop whingeing.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FOIrYyQawGI/TC0thVs0DoI/AAAAAAAAC3w/AfRWy2zTqPo/s1600/StrawMan.jpg
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Saturday, 16 October 2010 3:07:27 PM
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stevenlmeyer,

The correct category for your opinion is-

http://www.fotosearch.com/bigcomp.asp?path=UNZ/UNZ346/u19034334.jpg
Posted by mac, Saturday, 16 October 2010 3:55:10 PM
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The author of the article wrote of a Zionist lobby but did not establish that there was one. We live in a capitalist society. Capitalist businesses want to make money. Therefore they hire the person who can best do the job they are hired for. Presumably the CEOs mentioned were hired because they were best qualified to do the job. Those the author mentioned happen to be Jews. However, that does not mean they are Zionists. Some Jews are. Some Jews aren't.

That also doesn't mean they are in collusion any more than Catholics or Hindus are in collusion.

The author has mentioned a Zionist lobby but has given absolutely no evidence to establish that one existed among the individuals he cited.
Posted by david f, Saturday, 16 October 2010 6:08:37 PM
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Mac.You're brilliant. 'meyer was answered in no uncertain terms. His views were adequately labelled.
Thanks for your insightful reply.

socratease
Posted by socratease, Saturday, 16 October 2010 6:22:57 PM
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Every time someone talks about Zionists they DO NOT mean Jews. Almost 50% of Israelis are NOT Zionists

Zionists have hideous masochistic tendencies that are bred through their worship of delusional beliefs in being the Chosen People who have been promised the Chosen Land as their own as long as they can purge it of all non-Jews. It is a perfect example of the extent mythologies can be substituted for ethics.

Non- Zionists have to suffer the opprobium spreading from these land theives and threatening to cover and engulf non-Zionists.

Let me urge all OLO contributors not to make this mistake as it gives the devils some comfort that the abuse includes the innocent Jews as well.

socratease
Posted by socratease, Saturday, 16 October 2010 6:31:51 PM
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Davidf,

I considered rebutting these morons but then I realised that these guys are consipracy theorists. And there is NO WAY you will ever convince them by LOGIC or argument.

Unless it appears in the latest edition of the Independent Green Socialist Palestinan Monthly, or whatever blog is serving up what they want to hear, its government propoganda and thus a lie.

These are people who probably think of themselves as progressives and congratulate themselves on their stands on racism etc. But their too far up their own ... to realise that their conspiracy theories about Jews (sorry Zionists) are exactly the kind of racism they say they abhor.
Posted by PaulL, Saturday, 16 October 2010 6:56:37 PM
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Stevenlmeyer has it all wrong again.Zionist does not mean all Jews just as Nazi never meant all Germans.The Zionist supremacists who cling to the notion of they being the chosen people who will one day rule the planet is well alive in their consciousness.I don't think they will achieve it,but they may well bring on a nuclear WW3.

The USA is aggravating China by conducting military exerises off China and illegally being in Afghanistan.

The neo-cons in the USA have the intention of using what they call tactical nukes.This will quickly escallate to big nukes since a losing side will go down fighting.
Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 17 October 2010 10:02:46 AM
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<<Thank heavens Jews don't issue Fatwas.Posted by Dan Lewis, Thursday, 14 October 2010 12:11:56 PM>>

Jews should be thanking the "heavens" for the religious teachings of Islam. An example of direct relevance to this post:

<<Albanian Muslims risk their own lives to save Jews from Nazis during World War II

By Leisa Zigman

Creve Coeur, MO (KSDK) -- With rising anti-Muslim sentiment across the country, an untold story is raising greater awareness about the Muslim faith and the teachings of the Quran. That awareness comes from an unlikely source: a small Jewish congregation in Creve Coeur.

Temple Emanuel is premiering a groundbreaking exhibit of photos that reveals Albanian Muslims who saved 2,000 Jews during World War II.

It's a story you've likely never heard. It is a story told through the faces of Albanian Muslims who risked their own lives to live by a code of faith and honor called Besa.

Dr. Ghazala Hayat is a neurologist at St. Louis University and serves as spokesperson for the Islamic Foundation of Greater Saint Louis.

Hayat said while Besa is an Albanian word, it is part of Islamic culture and teachings. According to Dr. Hayat, Besa is an ancient code which requires people to endanger their own lives if necessary to save the life of anyone seeking asylum. To this day, Besa is the highest moral law of the region, superseding religious differences, blood feuds, and even tribal traditions.

The exhibit is opening eyes throughout the world.

"You don't have to share the same faith. You have to respect each other's faith," Hayat said.

cont...
Posted by grateful, Thursday, 28 October 2010 5:20:08 AM
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cont..

Pictures of the Albanian Muslims in the exhibit tell a lifetime of stories. As a young mother, one woman did not have enough breast milk to feed her son. A Jewish woman she hid nursed him instead. She was asked if she minded that a Jewish mother had fed her baby.

"Jews are God's people like us," the woman said.

Another man who also hid Jewish families said, "I did nothing special. All Jews are our brothers."

And the head of the Bektashi sect, with more than seven million followers, tells the story of Albania's prime minister, who gave a secret order during the Nazi occupation.

"All Jewish children will sleep with your children, all will eat the same food, and all will live as one family," the order read.

In post-war Europe, it is said Albania was the only Nazi-occupied country to boast a greater number of Jews than before the Holocaust.

"They were among the people who at great personal risk sheltered Jews and protected them in their homes and did so out of a religious obligation," said Rabbi Justin Kerber, Temple Emanuel.

The Islamic Foundation of Greater St. Louis and several local Jewish agencies hope the St. Louis community will experience this rare look at the role Albanian Muslims played in sheltering Jews from the Nazis.

"At this time of tension over Islam in America, there is so much more to understanding Islam," Rabbi Kerber said.

The BESA exhibition at Temple Emanuel is October 21- December 1, 2010
12166 Conway Road
Thursday 5 p.m. to 8 p.m.
Saturdays and Sundays, 12 p.m. to 4pm and by appointment >>

Source KSDK.com: http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=222601&catid=3

See also CNN blog: http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/22/exhibit-albanian-muslims-saved-jews-from-nazis/?hpt=T2
Posted by grateful, Thursday, 28 October 2010 5:21:10 AM
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Dear grateful,

Thank you for the story about the humanity of the Albanian Muslims.
Posted by david f, Thursday, 28 October 2010 9:43:47 AM
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