Clearly there's a lot of love in this room at the moment amongst some of the posters -

To Leigh - I am sure you have done nothing to bring yourself to the attention of the spooks - the point is you may not need to - already the forces of good have already paid out a few bucks to a family wrongly raided some time ago; mistakes happen - why even during the Timor crisis our leading spooks truned off the information tap to our boys in the field:
our intelligence boffins seem far from intelligent at times.

Even though Con regards you as an eagle, and well you may be, his reference to chickens underlines the rather one dimensional approach taken by some in this debate; again it is a bit like school yard stuff with one group or party trying to out tough the others.

I would suggest that there is a degree of toughness on both sides of the debate - Cons approach demeans himself; In fact I was surprised at the rather simple metaphor.

I am however going to visit his blog - I suspect there is a lot to learn there.

We have troops in Iraq alledgely trying to instill democracy. They will return home to government doing its best to kick democracy to death. So tell me, why are they really in Iraq ?