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Government should lead the way : Comments

By Michael Sullivan, published 15/9/2010

All levels of government in Australia need to take the lead and show Australians the way to reduce their carbon footprint.

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If the author was serious about acting in the national interest, he would recommend that governments review the veracity of socalled climate change science. This would show that climate science is not settled, that there is no irrefutable scientific proof that greenhouse gases are the driver of climate change, and that there is absolutely no need for proposing carbon taxes or an ETS.
Posted by Raycom, Thursday, 16 September 2010 12:09:08 AM
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What genuinely perplexes me is why the author, clearly an intelligent man, acts as if CO2 is a major problem.

An intelligent man asks for the evidence that anthropogenic CO2 emissions are causing Global Warming and inevitably will find, if he bothers to look, that concerns about CO2 causing warming are based solely on unsubstantiated assumptions about positive feedbacks included in the models. There is NO evidence. NO proof for this. Just assumptions. And when we test these assumptions, we find that there are compelling arguments that the feedbacks are neutral, or very possibly negative.

If that is the case, then all this worry about CO2 is for nought. And now we have Marius Kloppers of BHP, presumably another intelligent man, carrying on as if CO2 is the problem. As if he has proof. My challenge to Michael and Marius is: Show me the PROOF regarding the positive feedback assumptions. When you show me the proof, I will join you in the worry queue
Posted by Herbert Stencil, Thursday, 16 September 2010 6:13:37 AM
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Marius Kloppers has no scientific proof that AGW is the driver of climate change. He is simply making an assertion. Hopefully, there will be a decline in the number of national leaders who share his flawed, or rather lack of, thinking , so that a pro-AGW world order will not come to fruition.

In the meantime BHP stakeholders should be concerned, if Kloppers'corporate decision making usually is based on "gut feel" rather than evidence-based policy.
Posted by Raycom, Thursday, 16 September 2010 11:44:28 AM
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Marcus Kloppers statements are puzzling, considering that anyone who has looked at it knows that the argument rests on feedback mechanisms in the models which are simply assumed.. as previous posters have noted.. to claim that its settled at this late date with temperatures actually falling rather than rising is quite bizarre..
Posted by Curmudgeon, Thursday, 16 September 2010 12:00:29 PM
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The government leadership we need in this country is leadership like that shown by shown by the government of the Czech Republic.

This is the only nation which tells its population the truth about the AGW fraud.

As a result, 89% of the citizens know and believe that anthropogenic global warming is a fraud. They know that carbon dioxide is a benign gas.

Strangely, 11% still believe in AGW, but considering that in Australia, we have 12% of our electorate so fouled up in their thinking that they vote for the greens, the figures are not surprising. The lies told by our government only make 1% difference to the proportion of the really deranged
Posted by Leo Lane, Thursday, 16 September 2010 8:32:14 PM
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I am sick to death of being shamed into a smaller & smaller carbon footprint so the Bank's & Chamber of 'too big to fail' Commerce's Labor & Coalition Governments can immigrate 500,000 MORE footprints every year to basically push me,Blinky Bill and our environment out & take our place.

What kind of nation is this where failure polititians like Maxine Mckew order the population to use more energy, take more risks and immigrants so we can become a more VIBRANT nation for her to ponce around and try to get reelected in. Maxine also advocates everyone using less energy to make room for her new immigrant, and thus beholden electors.

I had an islamic Origin energy rep tell me he can save me 10% on my electricity after Keneally jacks it up 40%. After he was told to go and came back 3 times I figured I'm getting electricity slugged to pay for the generator infrastructure to support his family taking over my home when he brings them all out here.

They'd all vote Keneally no matter how corrupt and diaphenous Labor has become whereas I won't.

Isn't that what using less ENERGY is REALLY about. A silent invasion of Australia as dopey polititians hand pick their electorates for THEIR ideal Australia.

The post on what motivates suicide bombers starts to make sense with this current crop of 'sell-us-out' politicians.

Trouble is, they'll be looking the other way when the mining states secede & leave what remains of federal australia to be picked over by multicultural militant power blocs.

The Second-Law-Of-Thermodynamics states : "the less energy you use,the greater the disorder(thermodynamic equilibrium)"
Posted by KAEP, Friday, 17 September 2010 5:13:14 PM
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