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By The Redhead, published 13/9/2010When should a company be able to own a patent over something which exists naturally - such as our genes?
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Posted by jorge, Monday, 13 September 2010 12:37:07 PM
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When should a company be able to own a patent over something which exists naturally - such as our genes?
NEVER! Posted by Johnny Rotten, Monday, 13 September 2010 12:46:10 PM
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So this means we need to patent the genes of our Red Gums (trees) ? etc.
Posted by Garum Masala, Monday, 13 September 2010 4:46:24 PM
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The issue is the US serving its own interests.
These patents were issued around the period as the Digital millennium copyright Act. As the US sees its dominance in IP and tech diminish its only option is to extend its copyright for ever as its one of the few assets they still have. Posted by Troposa, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 8:16:49 AM
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Yes, it appears that the U.S. and the corporations it represents are serving their own own interests., aided and abetted by the W.T.O., the World Bank and the IMF.
In her Reith 2000 lecture, Indian commentator and activist, Vandana Shiva spoke about gene patenting saying: "Patents and intellectual property rights are supposed to be granted for novel inventions. But patents are being claimed for rice varieties such as Basmati...Rice Tec, a U.S. based company has been granted Patent 5,663,484 for Basmati rice lines and grains. Basmati, neem, pepper, bitter gourd, turmeric...every aspect of the innovation embodied in our indigenous food and medical systems is now being pirated and patented. The knowledge of the poor is being converted into the property of global corporations, creating a situation where the poor will have to pay for the seeds and medicines they have evolved and have used to meet their own needs for nutrition and health care." Unbridled capitalism has no shame. Posted by Poirot, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 8:47:02 AM
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The basmati rice patent fiasco shows that we just can't be complacent when it comes to our laws and corporations or individuals who want to exploit them. After all, people who make laws are still people - mistakes and loopholes are the reason we have lawyers (as popular as they may be).
I'm not sure if there have been any more developments in the basmati patent affair, but the following article seems to indicate that most of the patent claims were withdrawn: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/25/business/india-us-fight-on-basmati-rice-is-mostly-settled.html?pagewanted=all I totally agree that patents should be awarded to "new" products, whether they are mechanical or genetic and that the patent application demonstrates that significant work has gone into making a new product. The naming of that new product is a different matter, especially for foods - that falls into protected regional status for products such as wines and cheeses (particularly in Europe) - which in my opinion is another way to stymie free trade, especially when food labelling laws have improved considerably, but that is a whole other argument. http://currentglobalperceptions.blogspot.com/ Posted by jorge, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 11:37:15 AM
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To get a patent, one not only has to discover / design something, but publish all one's information on the item. This means that to gain temporary protection, the research information needs to be made public.
A patent will not protect one against practises and uses of the product in place before the patent was filed (as can be seen by the Basmati issue. Patents for existing genes are therefore very difficult and expensive to enforce (as can be seen in the article) Patents expire in 20 years or less, so any one that wishes to profit from their patents need to use them, develop something from them and sell them in the relatively short 20yr window. After the 20 years all humanity benefits from the research that developed the patent free of charge. While I find the shotgun patenting of every gene in sight, logic says that if every single gene were patented today, in 20 years the world would be a better place. Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 12:45:30 PM
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20 years is a long time when it comes to research, SM.
Consider copyright law - I seem to recall the Walt Disney company found that their copyright was going to expire and successful pushed to extend the duration of their protection. If large sums of money accumulated... I could see companies pushing to extend patent laws beyond 20 years. Researching something that already exists should mean the 'research' itself can be patented and that other companies who wish to access that information should pay for it. Presumably there would also be money to be made from offering consultations and advice to others in the field. However the natural object can't be patented. If you use that research to formulate some kind of medicine, then sure you have the patent rights. But you can't 'own' genes - at least, you shouldn't be able to. Posted by TurnRightThenLeft, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 1:16:34 PM
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Maybe it's possible to Patent "parasitism"? Eg; put the parasites out of business.
Posted by Garum Masala, Tuesday, 14 September 2010 1:34:41 PM
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Dear jorge,
Thank you for the link regarding the Basmati rice patents. I think the problem here is that poor third world farmers who rely on indigenous knowledge and products for their survival are being caught up in the global tsunami for profit. Shiva also had this to say: "Instead of recognising that commercial interests build on nature and on the contribution of other cultures, global law has enshrined the patriarchal myth of creation to create new property rights to life forms just as colonialism used the myth of discovery as the basis of the take over of the land of others as colonies....When patents are granted for seeds and plants, theft is defined as creation, and saving and sharing seed is defined as theft of intellectual property. Corporations have broad patents on crops such as cotton, soya bean and mustard and are suing farmers for seed saving and hiring detective agencies to find out if farmers have saved seed and shared it with neighbours....Sharing and exchange, the basis of our humanity and our ecological survival has been redefined as a crime." Posted by Poirot, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 8:33:06 AM
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Dear Poirot,
I agree. A lot of the major multinational biotech companies are going about their global business but forgetting that not all markets are the same. Something that would work in say the US or Australia may not work in other markets. Even if the multinationals have a legal basis for their arguments, it overlooks the fact that things are just not done in a certain way in some places. It is a tricky situation when it comes to seeds etc as opposed to say other multinational products like cars or clothes, but I guess it's something we have to keep our eyes on all the time. Generic drugs in Brazil and Africa are one example where I think government intervention resulted in improvements on the health of many people, but I am not 100% clear on the details, especially after reading this article: http://www.wharton.universia.net/index.cfm?fa=viewArticle&id=1086&language=english http://currentglobalperceptions.blogspot.com/ Posted by jorge, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 12:36:22 PM
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http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/other/alrc/publications/reports/99/index.html
It recommended:
7-1(a) to exclude genetic materials and technologies from patentable subject matter
I realise the whole report may have had parts that needed working out, but it's been six years!!
I really wonder what happens in Canberra at times.
http://currentglobalperceptions.blogspot.com/