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Climate apocalypse postponed : Comments

By Mark S. Lawson, published 1/9/2010

Seasonal weather forecasting has a dismal track record.

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The topic, justoneperson, is scientific evidence of AGW.

Contrary to assertions by uninformed people like you, there is no scientific evidence of of any effect by human emissions on global warming, in the IPCC Report, or anywhere else.

If there were, the IPCC would put it forward, instead of relying on an unsupported opinion, not a scientific opinion, but an opinion that it is "very likely" that human emissions contribute to global warming.

If you find any science, justoneperson, then you have done better than the IPCC is able to do.

You say it is in the IPCC Report. Well, find it, just one piece of evidence of AGW, and give us all the reference, particularly the IPCC, as they obviously do not know of it.

How many of the 31,000 scientists who say there is no proof of AGW do you say are architects and engineers, and on what basis? There are 50 times the 60 scientists that endorse the IPCC's guess that it is "very likely", even if 1000 of them are architects and engineers, as you wildly assert.
Posted by Leo Lane, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 6:29:32 PM
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Leo, congrats for using your name, that's on the list. Not sure at what level you are ill-informed so i thought i would start with the article. firstly the graph used, the UAH data, if we extend the UAH data back to 1950 you get http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2010/04/climate-scientist-bashing/
which puts it into context
Note 3 are from surface, 2 (including UAH)are satellite. Note the symmetry, amazing! The spike at 1998, the two satellites recording higher temp's, as they "measure the temp of the middle troposphere, the variatiosn of which can differ from those fo the surface temperature on short time scales"
Posted by justoneperson, Thursday, 23 September 2010 10:42:57 AM
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Leo just read your first post, "sea levels not rising", wrong, see
http://www.bom.gov.au/inside/eiab/State-of-climate-2010-updated.pdf

(Data limited to Australia, not global), but from 1870 to 2007, the global average sea level rose by close to 200mm. Sea levels rose at an average of 1.7mm per year during the 20th century and about 3.0mm per year from 1993-2009. These levels are global averages and because of the differing movements of ocean currents around the globe, results vary from place to place.

Additionally
Since 1960 the mean temperature in Australia has increased by about 0.7 °C .
The number of days with record hot temperatures has increased each decade over the past 50 years
There have been fewer record cold days each decade
2000 to 2009 was Australia’s warmest decade on record

And you mention the buffoon Monckton. This explains your ignorance, if you believe his misinformation.
Posted by justoneperson, Thursday, 23 September 2010 10:58:53 AM
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Apologies, the "(Data limited to Australia, not global)," was meant to be added at the beginning of the following paragraph, pertaining to temperatures.
Posted by justoneperson, Thursday, 23 September 2010 11:00:39 AM
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The conversation, justoneperson, is about AGW, the alleged input of human emissions to global warming, not about global warming.

Global warming exists, no dispute about that, but it has yet to be shown that human emissions have any measureable effect on it.

I understand your confusion, since the whole purpose of the IPCC is to mislead people into believing that humans have input into global warming.

If they do, the effect is not of any significance, and requires no action, because it has not been detected, much less quantified.

The IPCC were formed to investigate human effect on climate. There is none, of any significance, so the IPCC has no basis for existence, unless it misleads people into believing in AGW.

The IPCC have worked from climate modelling, to make predictions. Everyone knew that climate modelling is not a basis for predictions. The IPCC have proved this, since they have never produced a correct prediction.

By the way, you have referred us to the site of Michael Mann, one of the main Climategate miscreants, so it is not a site for trustworthy information on climate. His function is to push the IPCC line.
Posted by Leo Lane, Thursday, 23 September 2010 11:08:01 AM
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Your first post this thread, Leo Lane, contained a statement claiming sea levels "haven't risen".
My post was attempting to correct your misapprehension by quoting the data source. It incidentally had some further data which is relevant to the AGW 'conversation', which i included.
No confusion, climates are always changing it's just this time mankind's activities have led to an anomalous global temperature rise, above that caused by 'natural' forces.
Posted by justoneperson, Thursday, 23 September 2010 4:52:21 PM
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