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Will Israel attack Iran or will the US? : Comments

By Kourosh Ziabari, published 26/8/2010

During the past five years the media have constantly talked of Iran being under the threat of an imminent war.

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The anti-Iran warlike huffing and puffing by the Israelis is all designed as yet another exercise to pursue pre-emptive attacks on Israel’s enemies.

Firstly it was the Iraq war, which through false flag intelligence by Israel, saw a conflict finishing with 4,000 US casualties, graft and corruption of billions of dollars, the very worst financial misappropriation in history, perhaps up to 200,000 Iraqi casualties, women and children….but not one Israeli casualty.

Hiding behin US skirts.

Created by the Jewish neoconservatives in the Bush administration, an ‘Alice in Wonderland’ environment, they advised the naïve Bush that the war was to be won “with 3000 troops in only a month and the people will welcome the US forces with open arms”.

Still on the ground there after 7 years. So much for Israeli intelligence and neocon advice.

Now we have the Afghanistan war, the next domino identified by Israel. Deaths so far,1800 US soldiers (no Israelis, yet again) protecting the largest crop of poppies producing 90% of the world’s heroin for global distribution with the funds providing all the monies the Taliban need for their military funding.

And for this Australia is losing its young soldiers?

Not one hectare of crops destroyed. Remember Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos?. The US had no trouble in those countries destroying the vegetation with Agent Orange. But poppies? All part of the grand plan and the Taliban is very grateful.

Enter Iran, the next identified Israeli target, the basis for this article. Will there be a war?

Yes,if Israel continues with their success in manipulating the US Congress as it has done for years through graft, corruption and false flag intelligence. However, there are many who consider that the US is tiring of war, even with 700+ US bases worldwide and picking up the pieces engineered by Israel. There is a slight chance that the apathetic public in America may even realise that they are being manipulated by a foreign power. But don’t count on it not when Obama, Biden and Clinton are virtually on their payroll along with the media, worldwide.

Time alone will tell.
Posted by rexw, Thursday, 26 August 2010 2:12:39 PM
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Dont fall for it Iran. Stay on your guard. The Israelis and the Americans think if they threaten enough times without carrying through Iran will relax its defenses and make mistakes and they can pounce. While ever they are refusing to talk and negotiate diplomatically the western powers have no interest in lowering the threats or ruling out attack. I wouldnt trust them as far as i could throw them if I was you Iran.
Posted by mikk, Thursday, 26 August 2010 3:40:30 PM
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You are an exciteable little fellow ,Kourosh.A bit like your mate Mahmoud.How much are you paid by the Iranian "government" to write this waffle.

It is a toss up whether the Iranian "government" is brought to heel by Israel and/or the USA before the Iranian people do the job.

Best you stay in Iran and write propaganda for Mahmoud,at least until he is hung from a lamp post.
Posted by Manorina, Thursday, 26 August 2010 6:36:58 PM
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I can only assume that this Article is a Media release from the Iranian Propaganda Ministry.

The best bit is where it lists as one of its facts , a"warning " from John Pilger.

It's a worry when you quote him as a reference.
Posted by Aspley, Thursday, 26 August 2010 7:41:47 PM
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rexw,you are 100% correct.Israel has enormous power over the US congress as witnessed recently by 300 signatures of individual Congressmen swearing allegiance to Israel and not to critise them not matter how they act.

The real power behind Israel is the US Federal Reserve,a group of 12 private banks who own the US currency and finance the US Govt.It is corruption on a a scale unimaginable to most people.This is the institution which orchestrated the GFC and pannicked the US Govt into bailouts/stimulus equal to $81,000 for every American worker.The American worker saw very little of this money.It all went to Wall St and their bankster cronies.

Total US debt is now over $50 trillion or $330,000 for every working person.The derivatives bubble is far greater.Next year will be our year of reckoning.Under the pressure of total economic collapse the neo-cons in the USA and Israel will push for war with Iran.War will be their escape from their crimes against our humanity.

The GFC is far from over with unemployment rising in the USA,house prices falling and debt increasing.Follow Ron Paul in ending US Federal Reserve. http://www.ronpaul.com/
Posted by Arjay, Thursday, 26 August 2010 9:27:45 PM
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Thank heavens there are a couple of commenters here who are aware of the dangerous implications involved in any attack on Iran. Most Australians aren't! Then most Australians aren't aware of anything much beyond the football it seems.

An attack on Iran will bring together the Muslim world who have had enough of being attacked by America and its sycophantic pawns (of which Australia is one). It is highly likely that such an attack could begin WW3 which will be nuclear.

Australians might notice that and wonder how it came about.
Posted by David G, Friday, 27 August 2010 8:33:58 AM
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My guess is America will try to get Israel to do it for them- otherwise they'd probably wish they could get their money back (and likely not bother and leave Iran alone).
Posted by King Hazza, Friday, 27 August 2010 10:00:46 AM
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David G

How would the Saudis react to a nuclear Iran?

My guess is they would go nuclear themselves - probably with help from Pakistan.

Let's not forget that Iran began its nuclear program in earnest because it feared Saddam Hussein. The Iranians actually tried, but failed, to destroy Saddam's Osirak reactor before the Israelis did it.

I am afraid one way or t'other the nuclear genie is well out of the bottle. Now it is only a matter of time before terrorists get their hands on a device or three.
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Friday, 27 August 2010 11:15:28 AM
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Stevenimyer, the world's biggest terrorist nation already has its hands on nuclear weapons.

They also have the world's biggest army. They also have military bases all over the world. They also have sycophantic allies like Australia that follow their orders. And they, not content with three wars (Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan) are considering attacking Iran with nukes.

Yes, America is to be greatly feared as is Israel!
Posted by David G, Friday, 27 August 2010 11:47:06 AM
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LOL

Oh well if you're living in cloud cuckooland there is no possibility of sensible discussion.
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Friday, 27 August 2010 11:51:02 AM
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Israel is said to have 400 nukes which is against the nuclear non-proliferation treaty.Iran is a long way off producing one.Why the urgency to invade Iran? They have lots of oil and gas which the neo cons in USA and Israel are lusting after.

Bush had planned to take Iran a few years ago but they got bogged down in Iraq.Now Obama wants to get the troops out of Iraq in readiness to invade Iran.This was always the plan.
Posted by Arjay, Friday, 27 August 2010 2:24:45 PM
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I would ask all the blind mice to visit the following link before they offer further silly opinions.

http://www.defpro.com/news/details/17405

When you read the report about the two billion dollar sale by America to Israel of aviation fuel (for fighter planes), diesel (for things like tanks), and unleaded petrol, you might want to ask yourselves just what does Israel want such a huge amount of fuel for.

Could it be a nuclear attack on Iran is imminent followed by attacks against Lebanon, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip so as to facilitate the creation of Greater Israel?

Just asking.

http://dangerouscreation.com
Posted by David G, Friday, 27 August 2010 5:42:50 PM
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DavidG,The Third Reich was not destroyed after WW2.It just changed venues and festered in the US and Israel.Now they have revealed their hand.Currently the neo-cons in Israel and the USA are the most dangerous psychopaths on the planet.

They have been caught out via World Trade Building 7.This building defied the laws of physics.It came down at absolute freefall speed and did the towers but no plane impacted it.

Either they let 911 happen on purpose or more likely had a hand in it's creation.The scientific evidence is over whelming.There are now 1266 architects and engineers wanting a truely independant investigation into 911.see http://www.ae911truth.org/

I have met Richard Gage its founder,Prof Steven Jones,Prof Niels Harrit and many others who have presented irrefutable evidence that all WTC buildings were a controlled demolition.There are now 1266 Architects and Engineers,400 scientists,and hundreds of academics asking for a truely independent investigation into 911.

Only the little secrets need be hidden,since the really big ones are hidden by our incredulity.
Posted by Arjay, Friday, 27 August 2010 6:56:58 PM
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Oh no, please not again, Arjay.

>>The scientific evidence is over whelming.There are now 1266 architects and engineers wanting a truely independant investigation into 911... irrefutable evidence that all WTC buildings were a controlled demolition.<<

The fact that only a handful of conspiracy-dudes actually agree with you, Arjay, "irrefutable" is not the most immediately obvious descriptor that rushes to mind.

I suspect that "vague", "insubstantial", "circumstantial" and "inconsistent" would be far more appropriate adjectives.

All four together would just about cover it.
Posted by Pericles, Saturday, 28 August 2010 2:54:01 PM
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Pericles.Alan Hart the renouned British journalist has now come out and said he knew 911 was a false flag attack from the start.The numbers are growing expodentially Pericles.

Throughtout history there are documented a couple of dozen false flag events.eg Trojan Horse; Guy Fawkes;Boston Massacre,Sinking of the Maine ie spanish -american War, Archduke Ferdinand WW1;Sinking of the Lusitana US into WW1; Reicchstag Fire vaults Hitler into power;Gleiwitz Attack ie the invasion of Poland; Pearl Harbour ie we warned the US that the Japs were coming;Operation Gladio;Gulf of Tonkin incident to esclate the Vietnam war, 1993 WTC bombing; Oklahoma City bombing; The Basra Boys 19/9/05 two Britich officiers dressed as Arabs were caught with explosives.There are many more.
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 28 August 2010 4:00:13 PM
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Now that's hilarious, Arjay.

>>Alan Hart the renouned British journalist has now come out and said he knew 911 was a false flag attack from the start.The numbers are growing expodentially Pericles.<<

If Alan Hart is renowned for anything, it is for his rabid anti-Israel stance. He is constantly frothing at the mouth about the Zionist conspiracy - here's a recent spray against the Canadians...

"Your politicians, almost all of them, not just your PM and his colleagues, have become like their American counterparts, stooges of the awesomely powerful Zionist lobby."

His conversion to 9/11 conspiracy theory is simply an extension of that blindness. His angle is that the planes were remotely controlled by "Mossad transponders".

There's a difference, Arjay, between being a "renowned" journalist, and a respected one.

Incidentally, the numbers of 9/11 deniers is not "growing exponentially". Their congregation seems to be stuck around the 1600 mark.

Which is, when you think about it, a very small number considering your claim that "the scientific evidence is over whelming."

I should also point out that most examples in your list of "false flag" operations are pure fantasy.

Apart from those small discrepancies, a highly convincing post.
Posted by Pericles, Saturday, 28 August 2010 4:45:03 PM
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911 truthers at the 1600 mark.Where did you get that ridiculus stat.Just on the http://ae911truth.org/ site there are 1266 Architects and Engineers and almost 10,000 supporters who are students and people who don't have degrees in that field.

Prof Steven Jones whose speciality is physics was forced to leave his University because of his stance on 911.Then we have Prof David Chandler who currently teaches physics proving mathematically that it is impossible for any of these building of come down at freefall speeds.

Then in April last yr Prof Niels Harritt puts out a peer reviewed paper proving that a highly sophistocated explosive was used in all 3 buildings that no US Govt Dept will even look at let alone refute.NIST the official body for reporting on 911 has retracted its'expalnations of WTC 7 and leaves it all as an unexplained mystery.

Why did NIST stop it's original report at the exact moment of collapse.Why did it take NIST 6 yrs to put out a totally inadaquate report on WTC 7.Why was WTC 7 ignored by the Media.

Dr Keith Suter came along to the lecture by Prof Niels Harritt in Sydney July 2010.Keith is good friends with Brian Wilshire of 2GB.Keith was on 2GB revealing Harritt's findings.John Bursill at http://www.911oz.com/ has shown all the evidence to Wilshire, but it is just too hot even for Brian to air.So what they are doing is drip feeding the public snippets,since the public outrage would be just too great to officials to handle.

As I told the AFP officer outside the ABC Ultimo Syd last Sept 11,the truth will eventually come out.Remember Pericles he said that certain right wing forces might like what we are doing.Who do you think that these right wing forces are Pericles?

If it all BS why bother trying to scare us and why not have a thorough and open investigation into the events of 911 and shut us "the truthers" up.
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 28 August 2010 6:18:01 PM
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12 mnths ago ae911truth had only 600 and numbers have more than doubled to 1268. see http://patriotsquestion911.com/ Here you will see 220 military,intelleigence,and law enforcement people listed as quetioning 911.Plus 250 pilots, 400 professors and 300 survivors.

Are they all insane and delusional Pericles? There are quite a few ex CIA who are not happy with the path their country is going and they don't believe the official story.
Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 29 August 2010 9:56:49 AM
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This thread is hilarious.

Give up Pericles and enjoy the show.
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Sunday, 29 August 2010 10:03:58 AM
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Easy, Arjay.

>>If it all BS why bother trying to scare us and why not have a thorough and open investigation into the events of 911 and shut us "the truthers" up.<<

Nothing could shut "the truthers" up.

They already held a thorough and open investigation. The fact that a tiny cabal of conspiracy-dweebs won't accept that is no reason to start another.

There would still be a whole bunch of folk who disagreed with the way it would be set up, the way it selected the witnesses, the way it conducted the hearings, the way it interpreted the evidence and the conclusions it arrived at.

Then there would be another mob of socially-deprived attention-seekers demanding yet another "thorough and open investigation", and so ad infinitum.

But there is another reason.

If you actually had to put your evidence out there in the full light of day, you'd see how it is so full of fantasy, that actually articulating it in a formal session would be painfully embarrassing.

All you actually have is a disagreement on the way a building collapsed. But you so wouldn't be able to resist bringing in the CIA, Mossad, Bush/Cheney/Rice and the rest of that secret cabal of international banksters, would you?

Egg, meet face.

So, while you waffle on about another "thorough and open investigation", it is actually the last thing you really want.

Think it through. Am I not right?
Posted by Pericles, Sunday, 29 August 2010 6:33:29 PM
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It is interesting that not one of our group has pointed out the complication that Russian engineers have been supervising for years now the science and construction of Iran's nuclear program.

Furthermore there is also the problem of China supporting Iran from any attack by western powers?

As so-called middle road historians, with knowledge that Israel has been breaking democratic laws ever since the White House has given her the okay to go ahead, could wonder how most of our group can live with themselves?

Certainly Henry Kissinger foresaw the current problem when he gave warning to Richard Nixon that allowing Israel to go militarily nuclear could easily end up in a WW3.

Seeing I am now in my ninetieth year, reckon it is about time before I go that I call most of our Onliners a gutless mob for not mentally seeing the ME future like kissinger
Posted by bushbred, Sunday, 29 August 2010 6:54:28 PM
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Cripes Arjay... you are really mainlining on this 911 conpsiracy coolaide arn't you ?

Hmm let me introduce you to the 'Maitreya'....he will save us all :)

In fact.. I'm told he is appearing 'from nowhere' and doing wonderful miracles here and there....
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Sunday, 29 August 2010 7:45:10 PM
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So, was he right, bushbred?

>>Certainly Henry Kissinger foresaw the current problem when he gave warning to Richard Nixon that allowing Israel to go militarily nuclear could easily end up in a WW3. Seeing I am now in my ninetieth year, reckon it is about time before I go that I call most of our Onliners a gutless mob for not mentally seeing the ME future like kissinger<<

It is oh-so-easy to be a doomsayer - Arjay makes a career out of it.

But simply picking out quotations from other people isn't a reasonable substitute for thinking things through for oneself.

As you may know, Kissinger's biographers observed that he knew "next to nothing" about the Middle Eastern conflicts and that "he often admitted his limitations in this respect." Kalb and Kalb, Kissinger, pp. 190-191
Posted by Pericles, Sunday, 29 August 2010 10:40:57 PM
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None of you can refute the evidence of 911 being a false flag event.The scientific evidence is irrefutable proving that all buildings were a controlled demolition.Freefall collapse,molten steel,fires never before in the history of these modern buildings have caused such collapses.Danny Jowenko Demo expert viewing WTC7 not knowing it's history swearing it was 100% controlled demolition.The evidence is voluminious.

This is the biggest issue of modern times since wars are being fought under false pretenses and civil rights under this lie continue to be eroded.Now the neo-cons want to invade Iran who yet to develop one nuke, when Isarel has many nukes illegally.

The truth movement cannot afford to give up,since we are headed for a totalitarian nightmare unless the USA gets back to it's constitution and ends these wars of imperialism.
Posted by Arjay, Monday, 30 August 2010 9:01:30 AM
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back so good at abolishing historical recording, could now predict the future.
Posted by bushbred, Monday, 30 August 2010 1:19:04 PM
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Certainly Kissinger went strangely quiet after his warnings about an atomic Israel bringing on total war, Pericles.

WHERE DID HE GET TO? IS HE STILL ALIVE?

WOULD LIKE TO KNOW< ESPECIALLY AS YOU APPEAR TO KNOW ALL THE HISTORICAL ANSWERS>
Posted by bushbred, Monday, 30 August 2010 2:23:31 PM
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Arjay,

What next? did the holocaust not occur, did the Armenian massacre not occur? Was there a second shooter behind the grassy knoll? or did you simply forget your medication?

I have rarely seen such a collection of racist anti Semitic twaddle in my life.

To believe this dung either requires an IQ barely above that required to walk, or a visceral hatred so deep that it obscures rational thought. To argue with this level of fanaticism is an exercise in futility.

Arjay, you have just shredded your credibility.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 30 August 2010 2:29:03 PM
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Shadow Minister go to http://ae911truth.org/ and start refuting the evidence.Begin with the physics of freefall by Prof David Chandler on Building 7.To keep it simple for the dummies,I'll walk you through it if you have conceptual problems.
Posted by Arjay, Monday, 30 August 2010 5:22:34 PM
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Arjay has a "false flag" infatuation, Shadow Minister.

>>What next? did the holocaust not occur, did the Armenian massacre not occur?<<

Arjay will shortly explain to you how the holocaust was also a false flag operation, to enlist support for the cause of a Jewish homeland.

Expensive, but ultimately successful.

The Armenian massacre was planned by the Greek government, in order to discredit Turkey before it was even formed. They called it "forward contingency planning".

It's actually quite simple to do, imagining scenarios where the accepted version of history has covered up the existence of "false flag" activities.

The Battle of Waterloo, of course, was a confrontation whose outcome was engineered by Napoleon himself, because he fancied another holiday on a Mediterranean island.

Why did he delay the attack until early afternoon, which gave Blücher time to deploy the Prussians? Why did he delegate such an important operation to Ney, if not to have someone to blame, and cover up his deception? It was so obviously a set-up.

The truth would have come out in a properly-conducted enquiry.

They actually sent him to the South Atlantic instead of Elba, but that was simply unfortunate.

My apologies, Arjay, it is just that I find it impossible to take you even remotely seriously any longer. I have tried very hard to give you the benefit of the doubt, on so many occasions. But you refuse to even recognize that you might be fantasizing.

Mind you, I still find it entirely possible to believe that you are a spotty sociology student in a provincial university, where the lack of attractive women leaves you with far too much time on your hands, which you fill by propagating the latest whack-job conspiracy theory across the interwebs.

Chortling, while you do so, at the folk who take you seriously, and try to put you straight...
Posted by Pericles, Monday, 30 August 2010 5:33:38 PM
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Pericles,

has it occurred to you that Arjay himself may be a false flag operation?

Just when a thread looks like going badly for those never to be sufficiently damned "Zionists" Arjay comes along and distracts everyone with his bizarre theories.

Gad these Zionists are fiendishly clever!
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Monday, 30 August 2010 6:20:11 PM
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Shadow Minister and Pericles seem to think that this is a Jewish issue.Not so.We have many Jews in the 911 truth movement.Dr Alan Sabrovsky has a Jewish mother.This is about freedom for all people on this planet.If you two are too insecure or egocentric to see this,then re-assess your priorities.

Prescott Bush,George Dubuwa Bush's Grandfather was on the board of the Union Bank which laundered money for the Nazis.The likes of the Rothschilds and other Jewish banksters financed Hitler who murdered millions of Jews.They financed the murder of their own people.This was about raw power and they cared not how much suffering they caused.

Albert Einstein was Jewish whom I hold in the highest regard,not only for his scientific genius but also his philosophical genius.

This is not about a particular race,this is about the opportunistic facists who exist in every race and religion.Basically they represent the insecure weak nature of our humanity.
Posted by Arjay, Monday, 30 August 2010 6:56:40 PM
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Arjay wrote:
"Then we have Prof David Chandler who currently teaches physics proving mathematically that it is impossible for any of these building of come down at free fall speeds."

I have to love how the CIA/Mossad cabal can defy the laws of physics. You actually believe the claptrap that you write?

As for the attack on Iran, I'm guessing it'll neither the US or Israel. The place will fall on it's own. As for the neo-cons lusting after the oil and gas, what gives? We can just buy it with our funny money. I think the Iranian establishment is worrying about, it collapsing from within. That's why they act the way they do. If anyone does attack Iran I'm sure it'll be due to a provocation. I'm not surprised the Israelis are a little worried, after all the president of Iran does make public veiled threats to another sovereign nation.
Posted by Bigos, Monday, 30 August 2010 7:56:36 PM
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Well Bigos,lets get down to the actual physics of freefall.Have you viewed the evidence of Prof David Chandler? For 3 sec WTC 7 fell at absolute freefall as in a vacuum.This means that the lower structures provided absolutely no resistence to the forces of gravity.In other words WTC 7 which housed CIA,FBI and ENRON was a house of cards which would have blown over in a slight breeze.WTC 7 according to NIST had no structural integrity what so ever.

All the buildings affected by fire in the past,are structurally compromised randomly.In other words one side is weakened and thus they fall over.WTC 7 came down in 6.5 sec in its own footprint.Some how according to the official NIST report,all the structural entities in this building communicated to each other in unision and decided to collapse uniformily.This will only happen in a controlled demolition
scenario.

In the case of the towers there should have been evidence of pan caking.ie layered floors of concrete and steel.The concete was pulverised to dust and much of the steel was melted.In optimum situations aircraft fuel will only burn at half the melting point of fuel.

The anomolies go on and on.
Posted by Arjay, Monday, 30 August 2010 9:05:26 PM
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"If anyone does attack Iran I'm sure it'll be due to a provocation. I'm not surprised the Israelis are a little worried, after all the president of Iran does make public veiled threats to another sovereign nation."
Of course Israel and the US would never make veiled threats. They openly threaten to bomb Iran almost every week. I have never heard the Iranians threaten war on anyone. They have made their position clear that should they be attacked they will retaliate, but that is a far cry from threatening war on a sovereign nation.
The Israeli propaganda machine does like to distort the words of Ahmadinejad who has pointed out on a number of occasions the illegitimacy of the Israeli regime being an occupying force. However, he has also made it clear that the only answer to the problem is through a referendum by all concerned including the Palestinians and Israeli Jews. Ahmadinejad has said that Iran would accept the outcome of any democratically based solution to the problem, whether it be one state or two states. Sounds like democracy to me. The man may be a religious nut and a holocaust denier but war monger he certainly isn't.
Posted by Rhys Jones, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 6:15:33 PM
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Rhys Jones, you seem to be the only true historian among us, mate.

To be sure, Iran has never attacked another country since its Persian days.

And I believe it never will unless attacked by another country similar to Saddam's Iraq, which though backed by the US still had to beg for an armistice.

Matter of fact many academics I know, do give Iran credit for its policy, rather than favour Israel, which knowing she has US help, academics know Israel is ready to attack as soon as America gives her the undercover OK.

Regards BB, Buntine WA.
Posted by bushbred, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 7:39:37 PM
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Brushbred and Rhys Jones.The neo-cons are desperate.War is now their escape from their crimes but awareness is growing rapidly.

We must at all costs stop them from attacking Iran.War with Iran is unnecessary and could precipitate a nuclear war.
Posted by Arjay, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 9:14:58 PM
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Many thanks, Arjay, as a late stage so_called academic< was wondering why so many of our group tended to follow the zionists rather than our own academia

certainly wish america would wake up< but going by a recent guardian article< if they could knock out obama which looks like it< the us has thoughts that a bashed and beaten iraq might now agree to let in both us and british oil companies>
Posted by bushbred, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 4:23:24 PM
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Brushbred.According to Dr Alan Sabrovsky most of the Military have not been bought.General Petraeus is definitely in the pocket of the neo-cons.Petraeus is shaping up to become the next President.Admiral Mullen I think is less corrupted.Ron Paul has made a semi-official announcement that he is running and has equalled Obama in popularity.Ron Paul wants to end the US Federal Reserve and thus the neo-cons hate him.

They follow the Zionists because the power of banks like Bank International Settlements,Rothchilds, Fed Reserve rule our economies and the Zionists are heavily represented particularily in the US Govt.

The same thing exists here.When Julia Gillard become PM here first announcement was from the Lowy institute.Her boy friend, Mathieson instantly gets a job with Dadon a prominent Jewish lobbyist.They have a enormous power via the banking system.

Many within the truth movement are very pessimistic but the alternative to doing nothing is oppression and facism on a scale that makes Hitler look like a choir boy.
Posted by Arjay, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 7:12:47 PM
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