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By Bob Birrell, published 3/8/2010Metropolitan areas are not coping with the recent influx, so why encourage more arrivals?
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Posted by jjplug, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 12:29:49 AM
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No,
What you said before was incorrect. Divergence was correct. $1 per day per worker is a trivial amount. You then came back and said that the total of 25 million times $383 or around 9.5 billion was not trivial. However the authors of the House of Lords report that divergence also refers to states that quoting GDP figures as you have done is totally misleading. The per capita figure is the figure which must be quoted to demonstrate a benefit. It is clearly no use to the average person to have a massive increase in GDP if it is matched by an even greater increase in the population, as then most people are WORSE OFF. The report that you and divergence have referred to clearly states on the page you referred to ( page 151) that the resident Australian workers are worse off with the added immigration. In your last post you stated "immigration benefits ordinary workers". However the report as stated above says exactly the opposite to this. You also stated " Divergence said that "...with average income per hour worked actually falling." It doesn't say that at p151." Well it does state the average incomes rise by 0.71 % but average hours worked rises by 1.18%. So it really should not take too much to see that average income per hour worked HAS TO FALL. Posted by ozzie, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 12:44:57 AM
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I'm inclined to agree with JJ, Divergence has misrepresented what was written in the Report rather than explain that its his own reasoning. Thats poor academia for mine .....
"The report that you and divergence have referred to clearly states on the page you referred to ( page 151) that the resident Australian workers are worse off with the added immigration." Actually it definitely does not say that. What it says is that income grows more slowly than it otherwise would and that just reflects the basic proposition that without skilled migrants we would have a skills shortage and business would have to overpay those people who are skilled and who are already here. Its amazing how you like to twist things Posted by David Jennings, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 12:26:28 PM
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David if the income of resident Australian workers grow more slowly with added immigration than without the added immigration they are therefore worse off with the added immigration. This is what the report says.
You statement demonstrates that you don't like highly skilled workers getting paid more, so you like them to compete with immigrants to keep their wages down. This is a different point to what is stated above. I think the real problem is that you personally are a low skilled worker. It is people like yourself that are the hardest hit by immigration, as it is the unskilled that have to compete with immigrants, not the highly skilled. So my best advice to you, is to go home each night and study hard, and eventually you will graduate from Uni and get out of the place. If its any encouragement, I personally will attend your graduation. i love to see someone so unskilled eventually make something of themselves. Posted by ozzie, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 2:11:04 PM
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Have we swapped roles? I'm pro-immigration and anti-racist. I'm also a highly skilled worker and an academic.
I think the key difference is that I understand economics and I'm able to grasp the concept of scarcity. You seem to be struggling with that. Plus if i recall correctly from your earlier posts you couldn't get into medical school the first time around. I wouldn't throw stones if I was you. Posted by David Jennings, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 2:18:06 PM
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Commit to a stable, sustainable, open and tolerant Australia. 1. William Bourke - Businessman and Stable Population Party convenor 2. Mark O'Connor - Writer and Co-author of Overloading Australia For a stable Australia: Vote 1 for Senate Group T: Bourke / O'Connor (above the line, in NSW). Posted by deteema, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 2:53:22 PM
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Its just a given that migration doesn't benefit people with little or no skills. There's no free ride for you any more.
Immigration benefits ordinary workers --- it just doesn't benefit dregs and the bottom of the barrel.
Divergence said that "...with average income per hour worked actually falling." It doesn't say that at p151.