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America is in a societal meltdown : Comments
By Chuck Baldwin, published 20/7/2010Contrary to what one hears from the PC crowd today, unity - not diversity - is the key to America's greatness.
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Posted by Raise the Dust, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 9:20:40 AM
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""Circle the wagons around your State; cement your convictions; prepare your family; ready your resolve; and start planning for life after death - the death of liberty and law in America - because the meltdown of American society and culture has already begun."
That, and "... as immoral as those who make no pretense regarding their unbelief", is part of the warped thinking that fragments those groups who think like Chuck. "God Bless" Posted by McReal, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 10:10:50 AM
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This is moronic rhetoric at its best.
Way to go invoking the "Founding Fathers" and completely ignoring the attitudes of Jefferson and Franklin. The United States were never "a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs". This is may have been the case for the Continental Army, but it was never the case for the country as a whole. I mean, FFS, the US doesn't even have an official language. Way to invoke American History to further a point, while at the same time completely ignoring the truth of it. If the criteria you have chosen constitutes a 'societal meltdown', then I would say that the USA has probably been in a state of perpetual meltdown its entire history. Posted by Bugsy, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 10:12:45 AM
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Typical US Baptist philosophising from good old Chuck, part of the UD religious industry, thriving,m playing on the fears of a societal meltdown, but for the wrong reasons. He would have been much better identifying the things that are melting down the USA by referring to the discarding of the wisdoms of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and others. It is almost laughable when you compare the qualities of those worthy people and see what America has become since those days of hope and confidence. In our lifetime, see the outcomes from Reagan, Bush 1 and 2, Nixon, Clinton then look at the compromised administration figures of Ms Clinton, Zionist VP Biden and the new hopeless President, a Zionist sycophant, Obama. This is what the US has morphed into, a subservient errand boy for the hated state of Israel.
George Washington, said "So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils". Just a small part of his farewell speech. Now this identifies the reason for the societal meltdown of which Chuck talks. Not religion, not debt, not a failure of society values but the insidious "special relationship" with Israel, the parasitic, evil state that has the US, a shadow of its past, by the throat. Just three examples... -the Iraqi deaths in that false, Israeli-contrived war were 1,566,350 -US military deaths 4730, with Afghanistan so far, 1947 dead. -costs of Iraq and Afghanstan to date, $1,018,748,808,645 All the above can be sheeted home to the influence and deceit from Israel, its US-based Neocons and insidious Israeli fifth column, now reflected in a totally corrupt Congress and Senate. Iraq , now Afghanistan and if they can manage it, Iran. No Israeli casualties though , just US and any international participants they can muster, such as Australia. Now that is societal meltdown and none of it is to do with God, Chuck. . Posted by rexw, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 11:18:13 AM
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There's only one solution for America's woes, Chuck! Make Church attendance compulsory, make Saints out of all the major American Capitalists, label all Americans as God's Children, halve all salaries and quadruple everyone's credit limit, renege on all foreign debts, and immediately start a dozen wars while escalating the current ones.
That should help to stop the rot! Posted by David G, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 12:04:12 PM
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Ive only been to the states twice, about 10 years apart. The recent change is dramatic, people are now publicly angry in civic places discussing civic issues.
Posted by Grant Musgrove, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 4:38:21 PM
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Hi Grant
it's as simple as this. When the connection to the Almighty is broken or disregarded, we get Paris Hilton, Britney Spears, Linsday Lohan and uncountable others from the male side... we have Gordon Ghekko's and their ilk.. Goldman Sachs etc.. Bernie Madoff's...Gore and company People do very unrestrained things when they feel no eternal moral restraint. Keep watching for an event on 28/8 and see what happens. (Glenn)Beck is booming, (Alex)Jones is Jousting, Orielly stops the spin, the Tea Party movement is growing..(Michelle) Malkin is melting, and even (Jon) Stewart is seeing the light. We have the Bold Fresh tour (Orielly/Beck) and the American Revival tour (Beck) all sellouts, packouts but hopefully not burnouts. Obama knows the game is up... you can only say contradictory things to various diverse audiences so many times before you become a laughing stock (if it was actually funny) it's desparate times for the Democrats in general and Obama in particular. Rhetoric cannot solve problems. Interesting times for sure. Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 7:17:14 PM
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Chuck Baldwin,
Take your script to the river and soak it well, than shake out of it the pretenses of morality and the stench of religion and look at what is left of it. What goes for American Revolution was only the consolidation and preservation of power away from Kings of England. How that power had come to be, had nothing to do with morality or religion. To know better, ask the original habitants of that continent. Therefore, the American Constitution was not a defining contract between a Sovereign and “archbishop, bishops, abbots, earls, barons, justiciaries, foresters, sheriffs, stewards, servants, and…bailiffs and liege subjects” (the king’s people), but a contract among violent usurpers of aborigine’s land. In both cases a Constitution, any Constitution is incompatible with Democracy, any form of Democracy. Democracy is one form of human association in which the ultimate judges in a dispute between the need of an individual and that of the community is resolved in a Court where the judges are a council of citizen. Posted by skeptic, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 7:53:59 PM
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Rhetoric cannot solve problems, that's for sure, whether it is rhetoric for or against one's position.
The Paris Hiltons, Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohans and uncountable others from either side... are an abomination, that's for sure. People do very unrestrained things when they feel no *internal* moral restraint - when they are do not learn to take personal responsibility for their own behaviour, often as a result of expecting some external "force". Posted by McReal, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 10:41:18 PM
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"And that is what is absolutely wrong with our country today: America is in a complete moral, societal, and cultural meltdown."
So unilaterally declaring war on another nation halfway around the world is not a problem? Spending huge amounts of money you haven't got isn't a problem? Propping up rotten investments with billions of dollars in taxpayers' funds isn't a problem? It's just the moral meltdown!! [Cue woo-woo music and dramatic scenes shot in red-light strip clubs.] Posted by Jon J, Wednesday, 21 July 2010 6:36:19 AM
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The church is losing its grip on the US
About time. Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 21 July 2010 10:12:15 AM
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Don't know about circling the wagons, or the idea that religion is the glue binding American society together. Sounds pretty dubius to me.
But certainly many of the States share the author's view that the federal government has long since ceased pretending to keep within the narrow limits set by the Constitution, and that most federal government legislation and executive action are therefore actually illegal. The states are now relying on the tenth amendment to nullify federal legislation that violates the Constitution. These Acts make it illegal for the State to spend its own money enforcing unfunded federal mandates, such as the war against drugs. Some of them even make it a crime for federal agents to try to enforce such laws in the nullifying State, thus setting up a 'gundown at sundown' type scenario between Wyatt Earp-like county sheriffs and Dick-Tracy-like federal agents. For examples of this interesting development, see http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/the-10th-amendment-movement/#resolutions Posted by Sienna, Wednesday, 21 July 2010 1:00:33 PM
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Seems to me Chuck is saying that freedom and individualism only work if everybody freely and individually chooses to be exactly the same.
And ideally, they should all choose to be exactly like him. Posted by Rhys Probert, Thursday, 22 July 2010 9:39:19 AM
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