Deliberately, the poster “CO2” persists in evading the stark scientific facts on fossil fuel carbon emissions. Fossil fuel emissions are killing hundreds of thousands of humans every year but the same old propagandists lurking here advocate for the market to continue buying and selling disease and murder. This is as perverse as things can get and shows just how avaricious right-wing whack jobs can be, even independently of their denials on AGW.

The poverty threshold in China has not been changed for 20 years in step with the pace of economic development so the Chinese poor actually total in excess of 150 million, if using the internationally accepted $1 per day guideline. While many Chinese are willing to ride their bicycles 10 miles to work through poisonous yellow-green air, others in the "emerging middle class" are willing to wade into debt up to their nipples.

At the end of 2008, the UN FAO estimated around 963 million people were suffering from chronic poverty. In 2009/2010, it estimated 1.02 billion so zero credibility to Curmudgeon for his deceptive ‘economic reforms!’

The Indian population is still growing at a whopping 1.578% per year. All the advances made on every front are simply negated by the burgeoning population where more than 300 million Indians remain classified as being below the poverty line.

The Low-Income Food-Deficit Countries (LIFDC)stands at 77 countries.

In the last decade, expanded activity in agriculture, mining and manufacturing has led to increased salinity, desertification, depletion and contamination of arable soil and poisoned surface and ground water worldwide.

Arable soil in Australia is just 6.15% of land mass. World ranking: 145. Arable soil in Australia has depleted by 0.73% since 1998 but the empire builders have brought in grim reapers, Monsanto et al!

Despite the dire consequences of the planet's crumbling ecosystems, capitalist bloodsucking economists and greed merchants monkey with the papers whilst chewing the arse out of Momma Nature. I say stuff 'em down the blowhole of the Deepwater Horizon oil platform.

Good thinking? Yay - Dealer, hit me with two more cards, I’m feelin’ lucky!

Protagoras - all of the figures you quote in your post were wildly exagerated, taken out of context or plain wrong.. hundreds of thousands dead due to fossil fuel emissions?? Where did that come from? All I can think of is you must be referring to people being affected by smog from car exhausts - breathing in a little extra CO2 won't hurt anyone, but nitrous oxide can. But the death toll for smog is nothing like your statement, even taking China into account. Particulate pollution (smog mostly) has been declining in cities world wide for decade (except for China).
Poverty has declined noticeably in both India and China in recent decades due to changes in their economies. No one is arguing that point. There are still too many people in poverty there, that is certainly true.
I could say lots moer but that will do for now. Leave it with you.

"So why should we believe this set of forecasts of disaster? "

Very true. Six decades ago the population growth cult was forecasting catastrophe for Australia via invasion and the collapse of manufacturing. Now the population growth cultists are warning of the utter calamity we face from an aging population, and the solution, as it always is, is jacking up immigration. Ironic that the impending aging calamity is a result of taking the growth cultists advice last time. Why should the population growth cultists be believed this time?

But Australians have never been fond of high immigration, so the policy is also sold under the guise of making Australia more prosperous. It is a bit like the story of Mr Bear and Mr Rabbit. The two are sitting about reading the paper, when Mr Bear asks,"Mr Rabbit, do you have a problem with poo on your fur?". "No.", says Mr Rabbit. At this, Mr Bear uses Mr Rabbit to wipe his backside. Prosperity might appeal, but it isn't necessarily associated with high population growth.

If the Australian government wants to pursue a policy of high immigration, it should have public support. To pursue a high population policy for spurious reasons like increasing prosperity or fixing an aging crisis is taking the public for bunnies.

Curmudgeon – What was your science major? Motorbike frogs? The UNEP estimated that emissions of VOC and NOx pollution is linked to 500,000 deaths, 4-5 million new cases of chronic bronchitis as well as millions of cases of other serious illnesses each year and that was in 2001.

Of course curmudgeons are completely unaware that PM2.5 (particulate matter) from fossil fuel combustion are so minute that humans unwittingly inhale them where they lodge in the lungs and eventually enter the blood stream. Curmudgeons are so dense they can't fathom that all VOC (including carcinogenic and mutagenic and teratogenic fossil fuel chemicals like BTEX) burn to carbon dioxide. CO burns to CO2. Fossil fuels form unintended gender bending dioxins if there's a bit of chlorine in the mix particularly with poor combustion.

http://www.un.org/esa/sustdev/csd/csd9_bp15.pdf

Nitrous Oxide gas is formed by oxidation of nitrogen compounds chemically bound in fossil fuels and is found in the atmosphere that contributes to the greenhouse effect including sources from land-use conversion, industrial stacks, biomass burning, soil fertilization and very significantly from motor vehicles so do you have a mental problem Curmudgeon?

In 2007, Associate Professor Dr Ray Kearney, Department of Infectious Diseases, U of Sydney, told the 7.30 Report that “we know that up to about 1,400 persons die each year as a result of exposure to these air pollutants" (motor vehicles - "fossil fuels - the new asbestos").

There is a 10 million square kilometre brown cloud hovering over Asia which is dimming major cities and other A/brown polluting clouds are now hovering over Europe and North America impacting on climate. But of course I’ve already told you that haven’t I but you play dumb while desperately clinging to the corpse of the capitalist eco-bludger.

However, the charade of ever-increasing denialism can be kept up only as long as the public remains ignorant. Once ecological limits have been reached the capitalist political game is up and you're dead meat.

So keep blogging spin towards the Kingdom (tik tok) and keep on humping Curmudgeon. See you at the Doomsday Ball!

If you want to change the values of a society you must replace old values and ideas with other values and ideas. In the early 1900's the socialists started changing the west,s Judeao christian values of respect for others. Am I my brothers keeper, who is my brother, put God first and love one another. In the 70 a rebelious generation of socialists came to power in the west and set in place the humanist world view with eugenics and a culture of death at its centre. (abortion, the pill, drugs, euthenasia and other regressive practices) All about power and control in the name of saving the planet. A belief in God fosters brotherly love, personal responsibility and equal oppotunity for all. All other belief systems foster divisions, race, and control of the masses through selective education and wealth distrabution. The way you train up a child is the way he will go. The truth you know sets you free. This present generation of our native Australians have very limited opotunity to share in the common wealth of this nation because of socialist ideas of wealth distrobution instead of the Godly Idea of equal opotunity.

Well said Fester