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By Binoy Kampmark, published 1/7/2010The Israeli Lobby in San Francisco, Stand With Us, hopes to transform the image of Israel on US campuses.
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Posted by Oz, Thursday, 1 July 2010 6:03:30 PM
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Israels neighbors may be despotic, dictatorial, theocracys but Israels actions in land theft, collective punishment, war crimes, assassination and weapons of mass destruction trump them all.
No amount of goebbelesque propaganda will undo the self inflicted damage Israel does to itself through its treatment of the Palestinians. Posted by mikk, Thursday, 1 July 2010 9:09:00 PM
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What is so great about posts like this is that any one who attempts to critique it will be damned as being part of a pro-Israel lobby conspiracy, laced with money and desperate politicians. It seems that all lobby groups are valid, but those associated with Israel must be conspiratorial and underhanded.
That the classic and ancient themes upon which this article is written are the same ones repeated in Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Henry Ford and other great works in this genre will be dismissed as ludicrous. No, Israel is not perfect. Yes, aspersions of this nature are prejudiced with racist overtones that have become okay when Israel, aka Jews are involved. If this was a Palestinian scene with the same events, only different content, as happens in many places, how differently this same article would be written and the events reported? The scariest part is that it is now again deemed okay to be part of such 'civilised' demonisation and conversation. Posted by Brian Kollin, Thursday, 1 July 2010 9:31:24 PM
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Too many religions deem themselves as being,"the Chosen People." The faith of the old testament is no different.All cultures to some degree seek advantage via some magical heritage.The Jews just raised it to an artform.It is just the nature of our inferiority spurred on by the fear of our mortality that makes us so obsessive and compulsive.
There is no doubt that AIPAC has enormous control and influence in the USA.Congress sold out it's people a long time ago.The power of this influence in founded in the US Federal Reserve,that funds the US Govt and keeps it's people in perpetual debt slavery. Posted by Arjay, Thursday, 1 July 2010 10:27:48 PM
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Brian Kollin....
if you asked "Who are the English Defense League" you would most likely be served up this reply: "Ultra Right wing neo nazi skinheads making hitler salutes" http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/11/english-defence-league-chaotic-alliance So...you could be forgiven if you are Jewish for thinking they are exactly that..and anti semitic......right? But see their own website. http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/ The point I'm making....is that the forces of utter darkness (Liberal/progressive/socialist/Green) will stop at nothing to discredit anyone who is not politically 'correct'. (Pro Palestinian/Anti Israel/Anti Jewish/Pro Socialist) This includes their portrayal of Israel just like those same elements mis-characterized the EDL. The article reports Roz Rothstein saying: “We are being demonised,” she insists. The article author adds: //Whether she means Israel, Jews or Jews in the US is hard to tell. Presumably, no true distinction is intended.// Well this should put the final line of bricks to the issue.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fSvyv0urTE Amazing stuff "Thank you for coming to campus tonight.. but I wish you and all Jews were dead"...no she didn't specifically say all of that..but see what she DID say ..... Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Friday, 2 July 2010 9:38:18 AM
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Well along with Arjay and others, always forthcoming with intelligent comment, it is a lot more pleasing that readers are better informed of what being a Jew is all about these days..
Once upon a time, it was just a religion. Now, sadly, it is a hated Zionist pressure group developed from the 'holocaust' marketing campaign, which has now lost its edge and even the thousands of Jews that have great merit, that is, those with one passport who are Australians and see Judaism as their religion only, find the inhuman acts of Israel to be intolerable to them as well. Sadly, they are in a minority. Does one need any more proof that the US has been totally compromised when you also see the corrupted Congress, (90% of them) and the Senators, (85%) all attending the AIPAC Conference swearing allegiance to a foreign and hated military state which has proven time and again that humanity, once a trade mark of the Jews when they were being persecuted, has now vanished from their thinking. They now suffer from criminal psychosis and it may never be reversed. As an Israeli General, Moshe Dayan said of his country “Israel must be a like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.” Well, it has now made it, dangerous and rabid. They do not appear to even want to consider the normal alternatives such as friendship and discussion but prefer spying even in Australia, murder, assassinations, demolitions, apartheid and the ethnic cleansing of a whole race of people on lands that do not even belong to Israel and who for or 60 years have been a hated military occupier, the most despised people in the world. Even the hand that feeds it, the weak and timid USA parting with billions in US aid, is also hated by the Israeli population. Only Jews can avoid the malice and hatred of Israel. The US has created this monster, so now control it. Posted by rexw, Friday, 2 July 2010 4:56:47 PM
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Brian:
"..Israel aka Jews...". 'Israeli' is not interchangable with 'Jew'. All Jews are not Israelis (citizens of Israel) .Nor are all Australian Jews Israelis (dual citizenship) .Nor are all Australian Jews even pro-Israel . The disloyalty problem arises in this country when Australian/Israeli citizens become indiscriminately pro-Israel - That is when Australian citizens can & do white-ant Australian values & interests - in pursuit of conflicting values & interests of the foreigh state of Israel That is when Australia gets dudded by Australians ,for Israel . Predictably , loyal Australians don't like that , & have no time for the perpetrators Posted by Oz, Friday, 2 July 2010 5:03:29 PM
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Dear Rexw.....you seem to be extremely biased.
"find the inhuman acts of Israel to be intolerable to them as well." It surprises me that you mention only one side in that conflict. It surprises me even more that you seem to be oblivious to the barbarity of the Palestinians. You also seem ignorant at what they are doing not to Jews..but to Christians ! http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp490.htm You won't hear it in the Daily Telegraph or SMH..but the experience of Christians in Bethlehem is well known 'in house'.. they face awful pressure from Muslims demanding "Jizya" ..Bethlehem once had a large Christian majority.. look at it now.. why are people voting with their feet ? Please try to be more balanced and less prejudiced. Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Saturday, 3 July 2010 11:51:28 AM
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LOL
I sense the start of a feeding frenzy for those poor souls afflicted with IOD* *IOD = Israel Obsession Disorder Posted by stevenlmeyer, Saturday, 3 July 2010 1:08:57 PM
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No stevenlmeyer.It is IUD.Israel under estimation disorder.Their power and influence is way out of proportion to their size.They are pushing the world closer to war and that needs to be exposed.
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 3 July 2010 3:26:16 PM
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AlGoreisRich
"Please try to be more balanced and less prejudiced." The words "pot", "kettle" and "black" immediately come to mind. I also can't see how you can claim to be in support of Zionism yet support a political group like the BNP which has a neo-Nazi pedigree and links to holocaust deniers and white supremacist skinheads. Then again, yes I can. Posted by wobbles, Sunday, 4 July 2010 2:24:21 AM
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In 1933 a Polish Jewish legal eagle named Raphael Lemkin presented a paper to the League of Nations, the paper was a proposal for the League of Nations to ratify a new category of international crime. Lemkin named it “The Crime of Barbarity” and was based on what Lemkin was told about the Ottoman Empire’s mass killings of Christians during the WW1. His proposal was rejected.
In 1944, Lemkin’s salient book entitled “Axis Rule in Occupied Europe” was published. The book, an extensive analysis of German rule in the countries it occupied during WW2, also contained a revamped (to include Germany’s WW2 atrocities), proposal of his 1933 treatise but this time Lemkin retitled it from “Crime of Barbarity” to “Genocide” a new word he had conceived from old Latin, Greek and French. In his definition of “Genocide” as put forward to the UN General Assembly for ratification Lemkin wrote; [“....Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be the disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups...”] In 1948, Lemkin’s hard work finally came to fruition; the UN and the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court both adopted the “Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide”. In 1959 Lemkin died of a heart attack at the age of 59 in New York City. It’s all so poignant that the criterion set down by Lemkin in his definition of genocide should be adopted by his very own people to use as a strategy against the people of Palestine. Don’t ya think? Turn in ya grave, Raphael Posted by Westralis, Tuesday, 6 July 2010 3:33:14 AM
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The horror of the holocaust at least generated pro-jewish sympathy - but that can hardly be said about the subsequent behavour of the state of Israel & its supporters .
The Israel Lobby in Australia presents a growing problem , particularly due to the fact of dual Australian/Israeli citizenship - fanatical & indiscriminate loyalty to Israel , does not leave much room for loyalty to Australia , especially in areas where Israel is deliberately attempting to dud Australia .