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The Middle East at the crossroads - part II : Comments

By Dilip Hiro, published 16/6/2010

Turkey steps forward on the world stage, no longer doing the bidding of the West.

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Turkey has chosen a perfect time to turn East in strengthening its ties and has already stamped its authority loud and clear in the Middle East where it has been met with open arms.

Almost all Arabs are disgusted with its morally corrupt leaders, Egypt once recognized as the heart of the Arab world has sunk to such depths that it allies Israel in the most inhumane treatment of the Palestinians of Gaza by closing its border and helping Israel to strangle the very life out of what today has become a concentration camp.

Saudi Arabia the guardian of Mecca, the center for all Muslims has recently concluded an agreement with Israel to open its airspace to facilitate an air assault by Israel on a fellow Muslim state, Iran.

Israel has demonstrated in the Gaza War its concern for Muslim lives as it killed 1,400 predominately civilians and 30% children and razed this small defenseless entity to the ground how many more Muslims will die as a result of this agreement.

As for the EU this puny USA puppet has shown its outright racism of Muslims as three countries France, Belgium and Spain have the temerity to legislate what a woman may or may not wear. Imagine for a second if the offending garment had been a yarmulke (the skull cap worn by some religious Jews)there would have been an international incident and the usual scream of anti-Semites but against Muslims not a whisper.

The Middle East is in desperate need of moral leadership and it looks like it has finally found one that it can feel proud of which does not cower to the USA and the EU both which have surpassed their use by date since President Bush declared a crusade against all Muslims and left the Predency with the USA mortgaged to China.

This isn’t simple racism as Muslims can be found in every corner of the globe it is much worse it is cultural racism a phenomenon last seen inflicted against the Jews for two thousand years by their new friends but not by the Muslims.
Posted by Ulis, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 12:33:06 PM
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And for this the USA goverment and EU administration have none to blame but themselves for losing Turkey. The USA kept compromising Turkish interests at the drop of a hat, even in directions of policy that surely would not work and would have little support outside (Iran sanctions), and basing their continued pro-west stance entirely on whether the EU countries personally felt like sacrificing themselves to America's benefit by taking it in (making both Turkey and Europe its enemy).

The EU institution itself is a failure- poorly conceived conditions of entry that ensured pressure on Turkey would be to DE-Secularize- making the EU a non-option and negative party for secular Turks, whilst simultaneously encouraging the country to shift towards Islamism and guaranteed antithesis to the European population if let in (hence the governments opposing it). By offering membership without even thinking about this problem, the EU shot itself in the foot and made an enemy of Turkey AND the EU's own people.

Of course, Turkey was always destined to fall into a gradual Islamist, anti-West shift (against Ataturk's efforts to the opposite)- there was no way the annexed communities on the deep Middle-East side would ever go moderate, and it was they that made up the voting majority that helped Erdogan into power (and the EU putting pressure on the secularist institutions to disband).

All in all, it's the country's right to go whichever way it wants, although I can't exactly say this is a success story for the majority secular turks on the West side, who really should have been a separate country, as the wills of the two communities are totally incompatible with each other, AND the parts of the world the other would prefer to interract with (and chances are, the Western side would have been let into the EU back in the 60s, easily, while the other side would have been less likely so hostile to secularism, even if they still decided not to try it).
Posted by King Hazza, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 3:10:41 PM
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Any alliance which loosens America's stranglehold on the M.E. is to be welcomed. America and Israel should both 'piss off' from the M.E. and allow those who live there to forge their own destiny.

Of course, America is building an Empire (have you noticed?) and its military bases are spread across the world. Given America's lack of values, its greed, and its penchant for warmongering, who would want to live in a world run by the U.S.?

Not me!
Posted by David G, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 4:14:11 PM
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In interesting point David G:
What strikes me most about the US foreign relations is they too quickly resort to trying to sabotage or offload their problems onto other countries at the drop of a hat when in most situations they really don't have to.

However, the Middle East going off on its own destiny is perfectly fine for me too- I'd only hope that Lebannon, Armenia and West Turkey are given a say whether they want to be a part of it.
Posted by King Hazza, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 11:15:21 PM
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Welcome though Turkey's move away from the USA/Israel alliance may be, you must admit it has a lot of catching up to do. With 60 years of USA protection and aid under its belt, together with its own military equipment building efforts, Israel has developed into a formidable threat to peace everywhere, firmly entrenched in the middle east. It will take far more than Turkey alone can achieve to transform Israel into a respected and welcome neighbour.
Posted by Forkes, Thursday, 17 June 2010 9:04:49 AM
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So Turkey is going the Islamic route, and splitting from the EU and the US.

They are kidding themselves if they think it is not going to drastically affect their economy.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 17 June 2010 1:49:06 PM
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Do you know why China today owns the USA? Because they don't think in the present or look towards the next polling figures or even in five or seven year plans they think in decades and centuries and plan accordingly.

That is why I said that the USA and EU as world powers is over, it is finished just like the British Empire and the Ottoman Empire before it look toward the next US election and what do you see?

When Empires reach a state of complacency, arrogance, amoral and injustice they inevitably decline the Greek and Roman Empires are a perfect example and the aid of Israel the West has met all of the criteria.

As for King Hamza, the West believe in Democracy which can be a real bitch sometimes because it has a habit of not voting in those that you like so you want to turn West and emulate them well go and live in England where I was born and please don't include Lebanon we are already quite satisfied with our country thank you, I'm part Lebanese.

It was the USA that encouraged Israel to invade us for no particular reason kill 1,000 Lebanese and destroy Billions of dollars in infrastructure as we were getting over a long and bloody civil war.
Posted by Ulis, Thursday, 17 June 2010 3:58:12 PM
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Indeed, although I'm just concerned that Lebanon and Turkey are both countries that are basically federalized into two very contrasting peoples (and the circumstances of how these groups both came to be involved aren't so transparent)- beyond that, Middle Eastern countries can vote for whoever they like as far as I'm concerned, so long as the annexed secular parts get a choice in whether or not they are to be dragged in also (much like Kosovo separating from Serbia).

The only problem is the US isn't so tolerant of democracy when it doesn't go their way.
Posted by King Hazza, Thursday, 17 June 2010 6:08:34 PM
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Shadow minister, emulating the uselessness of shadow ministers everywhere, wrote: "They are kidding themselves if they think it is not going to drastically affect their economy."

Of course there are things more important than their economy. Having your neighbours killed, their homelands invaded, their civilization destroyed by their rogue neighbour, Israel, might all seem to be some of them. To reasonable people, anyway.
Posted by Forkes, Thursday, 17 June 2010 6:17:23 PM
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You know, an interesting thing about discussions about Turkey is that there is probably the broadest range of sides of the coin that people from all persuasions tackle most important to them, and not caring an ounce for others:
-Turkish Secularists/army/Kemalist/authority supporters
-Turkish and wider Islamists pro-Eu entry
-Turkish and wider Islamists wanting Turkey to turn East
-EU interests wanting Turkey in
-EU interests wanting Turkey out.
-Israel/US interests (and those who are FOR and Against).

Not to mention a completely different idea of who are the good-guys, who are the bad-guys, and which groups are of no importance to the author in the aspect of the issue they care about most.
Posted by King Hazza, Thursday, 17 June 2010 11:48:45 PM
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Dear Forkes..(who speaketh with forked tongue ? :)

I note the HUGE pile of prejudice and presupposition which are in the tray of your Anti Israel truck there mate.

"Will transform Israel into a respected and welcome neighbour"

huh? ..... you are kidding... arn't u ?

Israels military disposition is defensive only..and it is a direct result of the incessent wars waged against it.. or even the slightest hint of it ever coming into being... from the Hebron Massacre in 1929 up to all the various wars after statehood.

I fail to see how Israel can be a threat to peace when all it's done is defend itself from invasion by Arabs.

Of COURSE...if you don't believe it should be there in the first place...(perhaps you ?) no matter what it does, it will always be a 'threat to peace'.

You want a 'threat to peace' ? Try this "The last hour will not come unless the Muslim kill the Jews" etc.. *that*...is a threat to peace...and it's found in the Hamas charter but the saying itself comes from Muhammad...wayyyyy back.

5.82. Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans;

So...doctrinally.. "Jews" are the enemies of Islam (and thus Muslim Arabs) so... it naturally follows that a 'final solution' is still needed to remove those Jews from the face of the earth....

Don't believe me ? see what this Muslim student says to David Horowitz (a Jew)... to his face...publicly...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fSvyv0urTE
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Friday, 18 June 2010 6:39:49 AM
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"I note the HUGE pile of prejudice and presupposition which are in the tray of your Anti Israel truck there mate" wrote ALGOREisRICH.

Not prejudice and not presupposition, but considered opinion formed after following reports of Zionist/Israel/Jew behaviour for over 60 years, since they provoked almost all middle east troubles by establishing their little country there, where it was never wanted by the vast majority of the inhabitants of the region.
Posted by Forkes, Friday, 18 June 2010 9:51:24 AM
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