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Global warming deniers and their proven strategy of doubt : Comments

By Naomi Oreskes and Erik Conway, published 18/6/2010

Science has been effectively undermined, eroding public support for the decisive action needed to avoid the worst effects of global warming.

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While global warming came and went naturally over millions of years, we must take note that it never had modern man to truly upset the system.

Thus we might begin with the Industrial Revolution when man gladly gave away the axe and spade to let man's brain first bring in steam power, followed by petroleum power, and so and so on, till one might ask what would happen to our globe if we let our precious earths be managed by our young speed or rather power maniacs losing our precious jungles in no time just to show what man is capable of.

So global warming deniers please do some deep thinking and try to save our globe not only for nature, but for your own descendents...!
Posted by bushbred, Friday, 18 June 2010 4:29:18 PM
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Loudmouth:
<I use an extremely crude test of whether or not global warming is happening:>
You and your ilk are an extremely crude set!

Stern:
<It is the right of every tax payer and consumer to exercise scepticism about AGW?>
It certainly is the 'right', but never the prerogative; they wouldn't know the first thing about genuine scepticism. They're minimifidianists; there's a big difference!

<Millions of people were enslaved by the likes of Lenin under the lie that bad things were necessary for the sake of “common good” and “survival of the species”>
Now 'Billions' of people are enslaved to the reified fantasy of the 'common good' in a designer dog-eat-dog world---a bit of a contradiction. A part of the delusion is imagining yourself free.
Posted by Squeers, Friday, 18 June 2010 4:38:35 PM
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Ozandy - are you sure you work with scientists?
This is what you wrote: "Another issue: Global warming is *not* just about temperature! It is about energy. A glass of water with ice cubes will *not* get hotter until the ice melts, then the temperature will rise. While we have ice melting, temperatures will not necessarily rise in all areas."

This business about ice being a heat sink sufficiently large to affect global temperatures has never been supported by anyone, skeptic or warmist. The oceans regulate temperatures, and the oceanic climate cycles are crucial - a point that has only recently been recognised. Look up AMO and PDO for starters. Any effects from those far outweigh any effects from ice.
By the by, you are aware of the temperature series kept by the likes of Hadley and the UAH satellite data aren't you? And the fact that they are maintained for poles and equator regions? You may also be aware of attempts to explain away recent cooling in those series by claiming an aerosol effect - but perhaps you could ask your esteemed colleagues.

I won't comment on Jeff Goldblum's quote from Jurassic Park: "Global warming could bring on the next ice age" which you cite, although I am tempted.
Posted by Curmudgeon, Friday, 18 June 2010 5:06:45 PM
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I think the greatest moral challenge of this century has just changed to being elected again or at least holding on to the leadership of the party. Hopefully Mr Abbot will find a few scientist not willing to twist their observations and fiddle the books for gain like the alarmist did so well until their sleazy campaigns came unstuck. Who said China and India was more gullible than the Australian public?
Posted by runner, Friday, 18 June 2010 5:21:21 PM
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"You may also be aware of attempts to explain away recent cooling in those series by claiming an aerosol effect -"

Curmudgeon - Please provide me with the link on aerosols and cooling.
Posted by Protagoras, Friday, 18 June 2010 5:37:26 PM
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Protagoras - As an explanation aerosols has mostly already been and gone, but if you're interested the article on aerosols in Wikipedia is a good place to start. No, I'm not refering to the article itself but it gives various references and links which should give you an idea of the work done. Wikipedia itself, as you know, is most unreliable as its written to give the best possible slant to the activist case. Check out the article on the hockey stick. Its a hoot. However, the links are sometimes useful.
In essence aerosols is a nutty suggestion like the one on ice and one contradicted by the known facts as the Southern Hemisphere has (or had) cooled more than the Northern, but most of the aerosols are in the Northern hemisphere where the bulk of industrial activity is.
Posted by Curmudgeon, Friday, 18 June 2010 6:12:29 PM
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