My apologies Pericles.

My comments weren't intended as a sneer rather despair at the predictability of this debate and the way in which the content of the original article was both ignored and proven simultaneously. I agree re-reading the nearly 90 posts, I don't think either side can hold their heads up when it comes to calm debate. There is a strong tendency to play the man not the ball.

I quoted that passage because I thought it was disingenuous to ask for something, be given numerous references and then say you don't have time to read them. I don't think the author was expecting anyone to read all 1.5 million papers, merely making the point that there is plenty of information if you are prepared to look for it.

Perhaps I can turn the question on its head.

Can anyone cite a peer reviewed paper by a reputable scientist published in a respected journal within the last year (I am only interested in up-to-date information, not the 1970s)that establishes conclusively that there is no link between CO2 emissions and global warming? Before anyone sends me umpteen links, please re-read the criteria - peer reviewed, reputable, up-to-date, published, respected journal.

Until then, I'm with the Governator “The debate is over. We know the science. We see the threat posed by changes in our climate.”

Pericles – My assertions are supported by evidence and again, you speak with forked tongue. And what is your contribution to the debate on climate change? Zero - just ad hominem! Hypocrite Pericles?

"I actually don't have the time to read all 1,550,000 papers." In fact Pericles you don’t have time to read ONE paper despite a decade of public debate.

George Monbiot advised of your leader: “He (Monckton) is capable, as you have seen, of astonishing viciousness." Touche Pericles – learn from it.

Monckton publicly stated of climate scientist, Professor John Abraham’s civilised refutation of his pseudo science :

"So unusual is this attempt actually to meet us in argument, and so venomously ad hominem are Abraham's artful puerilities, delivered in a nasal and irritatingly matey tone (at least we are spared his face — he looks like an overcooked prawn), that climate-extremist bloggers everywhere have circulated them and praised them to the warming skies."

http://www.stthomas.edu/engineering/jpabraham/

Of course I am a lowly poster but what can one make of your pin-up boys who rant in the media and publish falsehoods in books on climate change? Even the denialist newspaper, the UK Telegraph stated:

"Lord Monckton is a fantasist, a blethering popinjay useful only for amusement. He can be safely ignored in all serious scientific debate. But it reflects badly on those people who want seriously to argue against the science of climate change that this capering jester is among the public figureheads of their movement.”

Hence the vaudeville:

http://www.youtube.com/user/thejuicemedia#p/u/0/KBzR0-j0O0o

Bellamy, Vaclav Klaus, Infhofe, Nick Griffin (UK MP), Beck, Limbaugh et al’s viciousness is well known where they refer to climate scientists and ‘warmists’ as:“anti-human utopia as deadly as anything conceived by Stalin or Mao, Third Reich, Liars, the new wave of dangerous indoctrination of the whole world, wackos, jihadists, Commies etc etc.” Nothing on the science - just insults and your top climate scientist and sceptic, Roy Spencer does not flinch from an opportunity to demean his own science community:

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2009/12/ecofreako-the-al-gore-tribute-band/

Now off you go Pericles. We are not the hand maidens of duplicitous alliterates.

At the risk of being called one of 'the hand maidens of duplicitous alliterates' by Protagoras (it does sound slightly erotic, doesn't it ? like poets' prostitutes), am I right in suggesting that average world temperatures have gone up by 0.7 degrees in the past sixty years ? Allowing for monitoring sites near airports, air-conditioning units, etc., how much is that really ?

And notwithstanding sea-water intrusions in the Nile Delta (with the Aswan Dam trapping Nile silt), Bangla Desh (as the tectonic sub-plate tilts down eastwards and up westwards) and Vanuatu (as atolls grow), is it true or not that sea-levels have risen on an average, by about 2 inches in the past sixty years ?

Assuming that no country will do anything about any of this for the next one hundred years (China and its shift to wind, nuclear and solar energy, India to nuclear, Australia to renewables, geothermal, etc.), and with economic activity likely to grow exponentially, would I be right in suggesting that the average world temperature will increase by 2 degrees, and sea-levels will rise on average by, say, six inches ?

Has anybody got any reliable figures on these parameters ? Or is everybody happy to keep arguing about how many angels can stand on a pin-head ?

Is it all a storm in a tea-cup or is it the long-awaited apocalypse ? And when can we get back to dealing with pollution and environmental degradation ?

Rip van Winkle

Well slumber on Rip Van Winkle for the enlightened ones have been trying to deal with pollution, environmental degradation and its connection to climate change for decades despite the sabotage by the ‘ecosystem of denialism and greed.’

And the denialism continues despite the IPCC and its WGII’s reports in 2007 of ‘extreme weather events providing evidence of increases in the intensity or frequency on regional scales throughout the 20th century. An enhanced hydrological cycle and an increase in area-averaged annual mean rainfall over Asia was projected by the group.’

Prophetic? June 2010 China: The media reported that nationwide, more than 2.4 million people have been forced from their homes by torrential downpours, which have disrupted transport, damaged power supplies and ruined crops.

‘Mudslides and raging torrents have been claiming close to 20 lives a day.

‘The flood has affected 25 million people in 10 provinces and caused economic losses estimated at 29.6bn yuan (£2.9bn), the civil affairs ministry said. The water levels of at least 35 rivers had exceeded warning marks and were threatening surrounding cities and farmlands. The levels of six rivers were at record highs.'

June 2010 Brazil: “The resulting floods have torn through dozens of towns with aerial images showing several areas that had been reduced to giant piles of rubble."

The local press suggest that as many as 97,000 people have been left homeless. 'In April, over 200 people were killed in Rio de Janeiro after rainstorms triggered landslides in several of its hillside shantytowns. One slum was swept completely off the map burying at least 47 residents alive.'

July 2009 UK: Flash floods of 'biblical proportions' break records.

November 2009 Ireland: Rain has caused record floods, the most serious flood event ever recorded in Western, Southern and Central parts of the Republic of Ireland.

Oct. 2009 India: India - worst floods on record (ABC).

But slumbering Rip grows old and gray
While twenty summers pass away
Yes, twenty years of flooding shores
While Rip Van Winkle yawns and snores.

Quite a poat, Protagoras, not alliterate at all.

So: how much ? How many degrees, really, in the last fifty or sixty years ? How many inches or cm or sea-level rise in the last fifty or sixty years ?

Give me something to believe in :)

Loudmouth

If you wish to remain an aliterate, there is no place for you in public debate.

Nevertheless I provide for your perusal one 2006 scientific paper (with compelling suspicions that your 'enthusiasm' is feigned) and a simple article from the BBC.

Should you continue with your vacuous questions, may I suggest you find another hand maiden - yes I am a maiden - errr....well... I'd better make that past-tense - 'was!'

Hasta la vista!

http://www.psmsl.org/products/reconstructions/GRL_Church_White_2006_024826.pdf

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4651876.stm