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Migration, population policy and colonial exploitation : Comments
By John Töns, published 11/6/2010Before we head for a Big Australia we need to determine how we can satisfy the needs of our existing population.
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Posted by BAYGON, Saturday, 12 June 2010 11:21:49 AM
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Ah, phosphate, the bete noir du joir of the environmental doom-mongers.
What they tend to overlook (deliberately? Let's not let the facts get in the way of a good scare campaign!), is that phosphate can be recovered and recycled. At the moment it's just easier to mine the stuff. Posted by Clownfish, Saturday, 12 June 2010 11:40:33 AM
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John,
You have rung the bell for the ill informed to vent their collective spleens. Yet again. The article you put forward is surprisingly myopically lopsided in its focus. e.g. Like many demographers you seem to neglect the "after they're gone effect". Yep, I'm talking about the 'Baby Boomers', the biggest demographic undigested bulge in the intestine of this country. We as a demographic have driven the societal needs for 60 years. While there will be issues about how we're going to be looked between 2025-2040, give or take. Our collective demise will relieve the country of between an estimated 4-6 million inhabitants. Also freeing up real estate etc. Broadly speaking the western world will experience a similar shedding. If we factor in the other factors of reducing fertility rates be they as a result of better education or toxicity in the environment/lifestyle etc. We are also told that our generation may be the last that can expect to outlive most of our progeny. I would suggest the problems are more of our profligate lifestyles and expectation rather that solely a matter of people per se. Posted by examinator, Saturday, 12 June 2010 4:14:31 PM
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JOHN TONS and your ZERO CARBON NETWORK..
stop peddling your 'Capitalist in Socialist Drag/Kyoto' rubbish please. Your web site says: "Kyoto was created by Scientists and Politicians in 1997 under the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate change." YES INDEEDY... under the auspices and networking skills of one MAURICE STRONG.. the UN "UberEnvironmentalist" Here is his self promo http://www.mauricestrong.net/ -Stockholm Summit -Rio Earth Summit -Earth Council -Earth Charter Movement -World Resources Institute -International Institute for Sustainable Development -Stockholm Environment Institute, That's the good news....now for the BAD. -OIL FOR FOOD scandal .. see the million dollar cheque made out to him here. http://old.nationalreview.com/pdf/strong.pdf -INSIDE TRADER. Molten Metals Technology. Strong and Gore hyped up the company.. (Strong has major share holding in the Co.) and the share price skyrocketed. Then he heard "Gov't to pull plug on funding" He sold his shares b4 anyone else knew.. made a cool $15,000,000 and when everyone else found out..share price plummeted to $5.00 (from $40) Here is the LAWSUIT which followed: http://securities.stanford.edu/1008/AxlervMoltenMeta/001.html CONFLICT OF INTEREST. AS SOON as you mention "Kyoto"...you are also mentioning "Cap and TRADE"...LAWS! Then...(I didn't see this coming) we find STRONG is a director of one of the the biggest CARBON TRADING companies in the world. Here is the link. http://www.chicagoclimatex.com/content.jsf?id=67 Strong wants GLOBAL GOVERNANCE. and guess what..HE is connected to the major players in the world economy. Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Monday, 14 June 2010 7:36:37 AM
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Well stated Examinator.
The BB's wrote the book on selling out. All that love and peace stuff in the 60's which lead to unprecedented greed in the 80's and continues to this day, the difference being that "greed is good" is hidden under a load of doublespeak like: 'workchoices', 'unregulated' financial sector, 'free' trade and so on. Can only hope that the inevitable demise of the BB's leads to a warning to those who accede to the positions of power. Not gonna hold my breath though. At least some open space will be created. AGIR - ever thought of writing in sentences and paragraphs, without all the capitals? Just a thought. Posted by Severin, Monday, 14 June 2010 9:23:27 AM
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Examinator I dont think we are in disagreement. It would be dangerously naive to assume that if only we address population growth all the problems would be solved. It is for this reason I was careful not to specify a number of people who could be accommodated. We also need to make a deliberate decision about what sort of lifestyle we can reasonably demand. The lifestyles enjoyed by much of the developed world are only viable because they are able to source food from the underdevloped world. (The Iceland eruption highlighted the UK's vulnerability good article on this issue can be found here http://www.lrb.co.uk/v32/n09/jeremy-harding/what-were-about-to-receive)Our starting point has to be making the transition to a lifestyle that enables us to meet our needs without relying on imports. Once we have done that we have some idea how many people this country can support - however to keep on adding people without having any idea about how many people this country can support is irresponsible
Posted by BAYGON, Monday, 14 June 2010 11:19:59 AM
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With respect to the refugees and family reunion programme I have spent much of my working life working in the area of multiculturalism and migration.
As currently structured neither programme will have an adverse impact on our total population.
However, the ultimate logic of any population policy should be to determine the total number of people we can support at any moment in time - this includes: tourists, those on student visas, those here for short term work etc. Once we can quantify that number we are able to determine how many, if any, more people we can take.