I just love how everybody in this debate mostly ignores the racist bile from Poxy. Looks like those propaganda lessons from the white supremacists weren't that useful after all.

JamesH, an ironic desire to treat this article, with the contempt it deserves, perhaps.

Micheal_in_Adelaide, agreed, & if your a motor cycle courier, regardless of gender, race, religion, you are required, by "Gun Toting" security, to remove it, almost every time you get off your bike, to enter a building.

As a motor bike rider i can assure you, this can be quite uncomfortable, as quality of head protection means a firm fit, many quality modern helmets have the Headsets, Blue tooth, etc, built in for use with mobile phones, music, computerised &/or radio communication.

You will have seen that motor cycle police, usually leave it on while writing tickets, then get back on their bike to find another errant motorist.

The Fe"Man"Nazi's want you to feel insulted, ashamed of your manhood, race, middle class bourgeois lifestyle, etc, etc, etc. Using Multiculturalism is just one of the methods used by CARS, Communist, Anarchist, Radical, Socialist's, to encourage self loathing in you.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8630135369495797236#

runner, Bravo, mate, but i suspect this CARS, Fauxmanista wants to use this debate, to encourage the importation of Radical, Extremist, Muslims, who are more likely to use violence, create racial tension. In order to justify more "1984" "Big Sista" PC laws, leading to the NWO, UN, 4th Reich.

BTW, if there are any "Male Chauvinist Pigs" out there looking for evidence that women are indeed, less intelligent than men & in fact need, "Good Men" to protect them, from themselves, look no further.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/1064641/hiv-acrobats-girlfriend-will-post-bail

Joe, Loadmouth, Surely you jest, "Pretend Burqas" have already been used by criminals in robberies. If you persist in importing large numbers of KNOWN religious extremists, you multiply the likelihood we will end up, like Britain & Europe, with regular home grown terrorism.

Please don't tell me this is NOT a deliberate, CARS, Communist, Anarchist, Radical, Socialist, plot.

Any Doctor will tell you, that it is not possible, for any "Human Being" to be stupid enough, to be doing this rubbish as a genuine, honest mistake. Nobody on the planet has an IQ that low, let alone, our best & brightest leadership.

Thanks, Formersnag, I enjoy a bit of ad hominem myself, and thank you also for confirming my suspicion that bikies who pick on women are gutless pussies: the bigger the bike, the smaller the .... and the louder the bike, the bigger the @rsehole.

Isn't ad hominem fun ?

Joe Lane
Adelaide

C J Morgan, get your conspiracy theories correct dear boy.

The war on Islam is not a conspiracy of sensible, centrist's like myself or Tony Abbott. It is between Loony, lefties, like you, together with "International Banksters" & the Raving, Right, Dubbya types.

Most of the tea partiers in the US, want their children out of Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. If you tried reading my comments or those of runner or ALGOREisRICH, before trying to justify your own lunacy you would know that.

BTW, i have read the quran from cover to cover, have you? There is nothing in it about "Modesty" requiring the body be totally 100%, covered. That is a "Sharia Law" invention or Ethnic custom Add on, of interpretation on top of interpretation, just as silly as some of the stuff the pope invents/interprets to inflict on catholics.

Clownfish, did you here about the 2 blokes in the pub? The CARS, Communist, Anarchist, Radical, Socialist, says, i want to destroy western democratic culture & the egalitarian, liberal, christian, says, really, so do i.

Ozandy, correct, but runner would disagree about, "Dominating Women" as would i, we want REAL equality, which is quite different from the Fe"Man"Nazi, Big Sista, World, Australia has become.

Everything the red/green/getup/labour coalition has been sprouting for 5 decades now, is Spin Doctored Lies, they are incapable of Honesty, "its just NOT in their DNA".

Cornflower, your last line, nailed it, that's exactly why we don't need these extremists here to bring their wars to our formerly, peaceful country. If our culture is so abhorrent to them, they are welcome to leave.

Proxy, first rate, these neanderthals from the CARS, Communist, Anarchist, Radical, Socialist, Red/green/getup/labour coalition are so confused from Spinning, http://www.whirlingdervishes.org/ they no longer understand their own ism schisms, anymore.

Kenny, they are the worlds worst racists, they hate everybody who is white, or male & not Communist.

divine_msn, Go girl, but Multiculturalism was never about enriching, only impoverishing.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8630135369495797236#

Formersnag, you forgot Marxism. As a born Marxist, I must admit that it (or rather, most of its tiny, mutually-hostile, mini-factions) has/have its/their share of futile idiocy. And I would certainly support your right to express your viewpoints, even though I don't agree with many of them.

But trying to ban viewpoints is a two-edged sword. Just as Stalin (after whom I was named) committed monstrous crimes in demolishing churches, mosques and synagogues in the 30s, in an effort to drive religion out of people's minds (and look what has happened since the death of the USSR on that score), so it is that seeking to penalise women for the way they dress - for whatever reason - will not have the consequences you may seek.

Yes, I look forward to the day when Muslim women can drop their veils too, but to a large extent, this would have to be up to them.

Freedom of expression requires that we respect each person's right to speak their mind, as you do, but it does NOT mean that we have to respect uncritically what that person is saying - once it is out in the public arena, it is fair game for criticism. But Muslim women are hardly the Machiavellian drivers of alien evil, no matter what they might be wearing.

Joe

suzeonline,

Regardless of your personal anecdotes and I don't doubt your honesty, the media has been swamped with statements by Muslim women, multiculturalism advocates and feminists too that Muslim women wear the accessories of their religious fundamentalism by choice. It is highly amusing that they walk both sides of the street in doing this, asserting that the veil, for example, is worn always by choice and there is growing support among some (predictable) sections of the commentariat for the niqab as well as a clothing accessory of choice.

Yet somehow wearing the burqa in the West has to involve compulsion, unless there is criticism of the burqa, in which case it is women's choice and those awful 'men' at it again. Whereupon there is a thunder of denunciation of men, particularly those imperialistic white SOB's of that very flawed gender.

You can retain that image of the modest, compliant, fragile flowers of Muslim women if you like, along with your stereotypical controlling male. However the compulsion and control you allude to are inherent in the religion and therein lies the problem. The Sharia sets out the rules of conduct for men and for women and through incrementalist change, assisted by weak politicians with an eye for the next election, it will be introduced as in the UK and will have the same divisive outcomes.

It is not the burqa that is of concern, it is the demand to change usual everyday rules and behaviour of our secular society and government to accommodate it. That is the thin edge of a broad wedge.