Dear Kathleen, “pirate attack”, “humanitarian flotilla” “desperately needed medical, food and educational supplies for Gaza” and “Israel's attack was made possible by Americans”

Not much else we need to know really, amazing what emotive rhetoric and a few false premises can do for your credibility.

Are proof at last.

And to think Israel has successfully hidden its (post 1948) American weapons from fighters for peace until this present day.

The next surprise will be Israel making its own weapons and selling to Australia. This has a long and profitable heritage.

Here's just a little offering http://www.israeltrade.org.au/category/business-opportunities/aviation-aerospace/

Perhaps just google: IAI and Australia

Kathleen, it is fortunate that there are some Americans who can see what Israel is (a rogue state) and understand that their country is largely responsible for it. Thank you for the article and your perceptiveness.

How the world can get the bulk of Americans to see the truth about themselves and their imperialist country is one of the biggest problems the world faces.

If America had 'a moment of truth' then Israeli would no longer be the Bully of the Middle East and America would no longer be the world's major warmonger.

Cheers.

Yes, Israel only gets away with its complete disregard for international law and human rights because it is sponsored by the USA, financially and in the UN. Good on Kathleen Barry for speaking out as an American.

spindoc: << amazing what emotive rhetoric and a few false premises can do for your credibility >>

You'd know, wouldn't you spindoctor?

Israel, just a modern crusader city state. It will go the same way when the overseas money support dries up just like the original. Pity about the co-lateral damage on the way through.

C J Morgan, & other loony, lefties. I suppose these would be the same tired, old, hippie, boomer, peace protesters who have been proposing disarmament since the 1960's.

The same ones who were throwing buckets of RED paint &/or animal blood on our diggers returning from Vietnam. Perhaps you would like to comment on their work, here on this other, thread.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=10383&page=0

She claims to have seen firing from an Apache helicopter? Footage taken by whom? The Israelis blocked all transmissions from the activist flotilla. Why is it not available for all to see? Where is this footage? Unless of course the story is fabricated....

Bet she is a a typical lefty, anti-american, anti-israel,anti-'big' oil, pro global warming, anti-capitalist. 'feminist' collecting $150,000+ a year under a capitalist system, driving a truck to work and living in a large energy eating apartment and living of the fat of the land.

Formersnag: << I suppose these would be the same tired, old, hippie, boomer, peace protesters who have been proposing disarmament since the 1960's. >>

Atman: << Bet she is a a typical lefty, anti-american, anti-israel,anti-'big' oil, pro global warming, anti-capitalist. 'feminist' collecting $150,000+ a year under a capitalist system, driving a truck to work and living in a large energy eating apartment and living of the fat of the land. >>

Clearly Formersnag and Atman are incapable of addressing Katleen Barry's argument that the USA must bear some responsibility for this appalling massacre of civilians by Israel, via their financial support to the Israeli military. That's why they've resorted to predictable ad hominem attacks without even bothering to mount the semblance of a counter argument.

C J Morgan, they were not "peace Activists" they were Communist, Anarchist, Socialist Radicals who support terrorists.

They knew, or should have known, in advance that the Isreali military would act in exactly the way that they did. They are "Martyr's to the cause" just like "suicide bombers".

Good riddance to them.

The Isreali military showed great restraint, IMHO they should not have, i would have been tougher.

Thank God Formersnag you were not in charge!

Thankfully the Israel haters can't blame Mr Bush. What a dilemma for them. They can't blame their beloved Obama so now they have to redirect their hate. Hypocritical to say the least.

Should America take some of the responsibility?
Of Course it should. Despite the power of the
Zionist lobby, there are other factors that
also shape US support for Israel. They include:
the politics of oil; the arms industry and its
influence in Congress; the Christian Right's
messianic beliefs; racist attitudes to Arabs
and Muslims; and the failure of progressive
movements to challenge US policy on Israel
successfully.

As Antony Loewenstein tells us in his book,
"My Israel Question," "Socially and philosophically,
mainstream US culture identifies with the Zionist
ideal of Israel as a Western liberal democracy
blooming in the desert, constantly fighting for
its existence against irrational Arab forces.

Indeed, this ideal has much in common with the USA's
own foundational mythology. The sentiment shared by
many conservatives and liberals is partly admiration
for Israel's democratic norms and its social
institutions, such as the kibbutz, and partly
relief that an oppressed minority has finally found
sanctuary. Through a mixture of guilt regarding
Western anti-Semitism, personal friendships with
Jewish Americans who identify strongly with Israel, and
fear of inadvertently encouraging anti-Semitism by
criticising Israel... writer American historian
Stephen Zunes, ' there is enormous resistance to
acknowledge the seriousness of Israeli violations of
human rights and international law.'

The MARXISTS speak.

KATHLEEN

.....Female Sexual Slavery. (she is talking about marriage here)

DAVID G.

Americans to see the truth about themselves and their imperialist country is one of the biggest problems the world faces.

C.J. MORGAN
Yes, Israel only gets away with its complete disregard for international law and human rights because it is sponsored by the USA,

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I guess they were also rolling around the Woodstock mud intertwined with who knows who or what making 'free love' and being 'sexually liberated' as their 'prophet' Herbert Marcuse watches from the sidelines with a very satisfied wry grin.

ARTICLE.

'pirate' attack of a 'humanitarian' flotilla.

Correction "Responsible Prevention of war material reaching Islamo Fascist terrorist hands"

Boazy, I'm no Marxist. A Marxist would call me a member of the petit bourgeoisie.

While you babble all over OLO about Marxism, you don't appear to know what it is.

THIS IS NOT A DUMBED DOWN POLITICAL OR RELIGIOUS ISSUE

This issue unites all concerned about State violence. Noting the democracies of the West gradually opposed Nazi violence...

A new issue to anticipate has been summarised by a very non-left organisation - the right thinking RTT News, June 2, 2010:

"Wednesday, a ship carrying aid supplies and scores of pro-Palestine activists headed towards Gaza, despite the deadly Israeli raid on a flotilla of aid ships which left at least nine activists dead just a couple of days ago.

MV Rachel Corrie, named after an American activist killed in Gaza several years ago, is currently sailing towards Gaza to deliver its consignment of humanitarian aid, and is expected to reach its destination late Friday or early Saturday.

...MV Rachel Corrie is reportedly carrying a cargo of 550 tons of cement, educational materials, toys and medical equipment to be delivered in Gaza by breaking an ongoing Israeli blockade of the Palestinian territory." http://www.rttnews.com/Content/MarketSensitiveNews.aspx?Id=1323064&SM=1

So watch out for a likely Israeli attack on MV Rachel Corrie in the near future.

The ship has been so named in remembrance of the American woman who was run over by an Israeli armoured bulldozer.

This is the speech she wrote in the 5th Grade http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK8Z3i3aTq4

It speaks louder than easy labels.

Of course the USA is largely to blame for the misdeeds and atrocities of Israel! It has been financing Israel and supporting it diplomatically ever since the rogue Israeli state came into being.

As foxy wrote earlier, factors that
shape US support for Israel include the
Zionist lobby, the politics of oil, the arms industry and its
influence in Congress, the Christian Right's
messianic beliefs; racist attitudes towards Arabs
and Muslims.

Driven by a bunch like that, it's no wonder that the USA has never forced Israel to adopt more civilized behaviour simply by withdrawing its finance and support. The warmongering of the USA around the world provides us with adequate example of how it collectively believes it is OK for Israel to behave. It sickens me whenever I hear an Australian politician declaring Australia's friendship and support for either of them!

PJ Morgan said

>>That's why they've resorted to predictable ad hominem attacks without even bothering to mount the semblance of a counter argument.<<

My post was not an ad hominem attack. It was merely predicting her likely contradictory social value system which is often found in such people. Maybe you can identify with such hypocrisy?

Irrational, pathological hatred of the US is currently endemic on the left of politics.

Foxy,
We should all be grateful to you for previously pointing out the expert status of Charles Krauthammer.
Here he is talking about the flotilla incident:
http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2010/06/01/video-krauthammer-on-the-humanitarian-flotilla/
"The fundamental deception here is the use of the word humanitarian."
"There is no-one starving in Gaza."
"Israelis allow food and medicine everyday overland into Gaza."
"This was not about humanitarian aid."
"It was about breaking the blockade (to enable weapons to be taken into Gaza)."
"Egypt blockades Gaza from the west (but no-one has any problems with that)."
"Gaza is run by Hamas, a terror entity."

Dear Proxy,

Did the Israelis find any dangerous contraband
on the detained vessels or do certain "illegal"
food items fall into the category of weapons that
can be used against Israel? It also appears that the
confiscated camera equipment of news men and other
passengers was considered to be a threat to the
security of Israel. Perhaps the Israelis were
concerned that the true facts
of the attack would be revealed by these cameras.
The only film evidence of the attack has been
presented by the Israeli military for which
they were well prepared with night vision, and
multiple angles. Certainly giving the appearance
of a computer generated stage production.

A quote read in "Haaretz," :

"The Palestinians won't die of starvation, but
they'll get a lot thinner."

Foxy said >>Certainly giving the appearance
of a computer generated stage production.<<

I see they weren't really hit with iron bars it was a Pixar animation!

The anti-Israel lobby is upset because they weren't able to stage manage the show this time - though they did have their cameras and journalists at the ready

I wonder where the author of this trash is going to hide when this blows up? It is going to, nothing surer, the evidence is damning...

PS Anyone who doesn't respect what their soldiers did for THEM, does not deserve to live in their Country. F%ck off somewhere where your talent will be appreciated, I'll happily pay for you to visit the Taliban, I'll even provide the camera and upload time for them to film what happens.

I continue to be amazed at the number of people who are unaware of the
nature of war at sea.

I would suggest a few minutes thought along these lines.

It is generally considered that there is a war like status between
Gaza and Israel.
Israel should to clarify matters declare a state of war with Gaza.
There seems to be a large group of protesters who are surprised that
people might actually be killed in a war at sea.
Baby Boomers and those younger do not seem to realise the nature of
war at sea.

In a war, blockade runners are likely to be torpedoed without notice.
If Israel had sunk the ships with all on board there is plenty of
precedence to support their action.

As much as you all are appalled at that, that is the way it is
so live with it !

Dear Proxy

I have to issue the sternest rebuke to you... you made a grave mistake!

You offered Foxy 'facts'..and to my knowledge I've not yet seen them have any impact on her sentimental duck and weave position.

Facts and Foxy don't go well together :) next time.. just try 'spin' it might get you further.

I mean.. imagine Foxy reading the Charter of Hamas.. she would not connect that in the slightest way with the blockade of the Israelis.
The northbidge data path is hampered by memory unsuited to the buss speed.

Poor CJ, Foxy and ilk are still equipped with old fashioned ram.. the rest of us are already on DDR3.

The author is beyond redemption it seems.. 'pirate' ? errr.. rather closes the discussion right there at the title.

It is kind of difficult to hold a position when the guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jun/01/israel-no-choice-gaza-flotilla) and even an Al-Jazeera cameraman that was on the scene (http://alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LDE6521UG.htm) say different. I mean, between them, the Guardian & Al-Jazeera, you have pretty much the worlds most one-eyed supporters of everything Palestinian, when they give up, methinks it really may be time to reconsider your position...

(Lord) Downer with American helicopters supplied to bad Israelis INFIDELS.

This boarding of MV Rachel Corrie is bad.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/06/05/2919241.htm

But there's worse:

At this juncture Shiri Maimon sings again her rendition of "Hatikva" (the Israeli National Anthem):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ian_NCV4aCM&feature=player_embedded

This is again a bitter criticism of Israel, that Western outpost of the Middle East that never ceases to puzzle or horrify (Israel that is, of course).

For balance, I present a representative from Israel's worst enemy and custodian of the Islamic Bomb, Pakistan, sung in Urdu and (sort of) English (and within the bounds of relevance and genderless good taste, I trust):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZmubKmFPKY&feature=player_embedded

Pete
( my callsign http://gentleseas.blogspot.com/2010/05/nuclear-weapons-for-australia-ongoing.html :)