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Thin green line : Comments

By Philip Machanick, published 4/6/2010

There is a thin green line separating humanity from economic and environmental catastrophe.

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PHILIP

//There is a thin green line separating humanity from economic and environmental catastrophe, a catastrophe that is inevitable if we carry on as we are.//

err.. do you have shares in Envex or the CCX ?

sure sounds like it. The rest of your 'WE ARE ALL DOOMED' ilk seem to have them.

I note you use the term 'economic' and environmental.... umm do you subscribe to the UN Lima declaration and the UN Vancouver Action plan about the State taking over private property ?

I'm smelling a socialist rat around here somehwere..
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Monday, 7 June 2010 9:59:47 PM
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Qanda
Scientists in atmospheric physics/chemistry are unable to explain why, as admitted by Phil Jones of Climategate fame, there has been no statistically significant global warming for the last 15 years, despite CO2 concentrations increasing over that period.

The 2007 award to extreme warmists, Al Gore and the IPCC, has debased the Nobel Prize somewhat
Posted by Raycom, Monday, 7 June 2010 11:00:51 PM
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Raycom.. exactly!

I also came across recent information that most of the sensors used to obtain data were of a type which produced large errors, and they were replaced with improved units just recently.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/03/09/accuracy-of-climate-station-electronic-sensors-not-the-best/

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/19/sensor-problems-with-ship-based-co2-flux-measurements-readings-too-high-affected-by-humidity/

but of course :) 'the science is in..and how any deluded idiot be a skeptic' says our brother CJ Morgan.
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 6:26:57 AM
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qanda - no what I said was right. Latif is on your side for heaven sake. The problem for you and Machanick is that the supposedly settled science of global warming is falling to bits. Happy to send you a copy of my book when it comes out so you can read up on this stuff. You can drop me an address on ecocriminal@optusnet.com.au
Posted by Curmudgeon, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 12:08:18 PM
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>> Raycom, exactly! <<

Exactly what, Boaz?

That both you and Raycom;

• Don’t know the difference between a Nobel Prize in Physics/Chemistry and a Nobel Peace Prize?

• Don’t know that to filter the noise (natural variation) from the signal (global warming) requires statistical analysis greater than 15 years?

Have you actually read or understood any of Philip's posts?

As to the WUWT links – so what’s up with that? Scientists continually check instrumentation for calibration, and adjust their findings accordingly. If we didn’t do these checks and balances, people would jump down our throats.
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Mark

Science is never "settled". You, like many, have taken that comment out of context – deliberately I would suggest. My apologies, Easterbrook is off the planet, while the denialosphere have misinterpreted and continue to distort the work by Keenlyside et al.

Thanks for the offer of the book, who is the publisher? Btw, you are encouraging all sorts of spam by giving your email address here, can attract all sorts of nutters
Posted by qanda, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 12:15:29 AM
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Raycom, 10-15 years is not a significant period in determining the state of the climate. You can pick arbitrary stretches that long and get an increase or a decrease. Do the stats, and it's not statistically significant. No big deal. We are on a long-term trend of 1.5°C increase per century. That's 0.15°C per decade, and short-term variation can easily be bigger than that for a few years.

rpg: I'd like to understand why you think you aren't biased. You are slow to admit to an error of fact, and regard one relatively minor error that has nothing to do with the topic at hand as totally invalidating my argument. There is no fixed definition of a landslide, and the Times for example, a conservative paper, was happy to call the Obama win a landslide http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5089277.ece and also noted it was the first time in 32 years that a Democrat had won the popular vote. So I don't see why you think mine is such a massive error.

Curmudgeon: El Niño warming lags SOI by about 12 months. SOI went negative (indicating a switch to El Niño) around April 2009, but only went strongly negative around the middle of the year http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/soi2.shtml so we should expect to start seeing warming from around April 2010, strengthening from now on; AMSU-A shows warming starting in January, and continuing strongly up to April (and to today).

qanda: good point about posting email addresses. That's why I put a contact form on my blog (very easy to set up using Google Docs, though inflexible, e.g., I can't find a way to narrow fields to fit the space on the page).
Posted by PhilipM, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 8:22:19 AM
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