Banjo, do you really not understand these things? If not then I think you shouldn't be shooting your mouth off here. Read some reports, senate documents, fact sheets, is all I can suggest, and then you might offer something logical and informed to a debate. Uniformed political opinion is a waste of everyone's time. Why not comment on subjects you understand?
If someone is stateless they don't have documents for a start. I assume you understand what stateless means? In many countries births, deaths etc are not registered in the same way as here, people don't have documents, they dont have passports if they have not left a village their whole life.
Or in fleeing a person often has to discard their id in case they are caught. eg it is very hard for Tamils to get out of Sri Lanka through the airports.
People smugglers take their documents if they have them. If they travel on false papers as many must, these are discarded before arrival as they have been told to do by smugglers and so as not to confuse their genuine identity. rarely are these genuine id documents.
DIAC can check the ID of most after arrival but a very small number of people who never had documents to begin with whose id can't be checked are always an issue for any government to deal with. This is related to people who come on planes with false documents, not boats in isolation, and these are often discarded on the last leg of a plane journey.
Getting a visa to australia is not easy for people known as likely to apply for asylum when they arrive. Relatives regularly cannot come to visit their families here because they are deemed likely to claim asylum. You would have to check with DIAC on specifics of ethnicities and nationalities.
Taking slogans and myths chanted by the opposition and stating them as fact, as if you understand what you are talking about, is deceptive and bad for our political debate. saying something false many times does not make it true.

Mellom,
I know the correct answers to the questions. It is obvious that you will not answer accurately because the answers decimate your arguments in support of the illegals.

Firstly, these people have to have documents to fly to Malaysia. If they were genuine they would fly all the way to Aus and claim asylum on arrival. We issue many thousands of visas each year to people from most countries in the world. It is not difficult to get a tourist visa. These people are not stateless as they get docs to obtain flights to Malaysia. They then travel the more costly and dangerous route because they do not have to reveal their identity or any bona fides.

The reason they destroy their docs when enroute to Aus is to make it difficult for our officials to check on their story. Because we cannot adequately check their story or their bona fides we let them in. We really are a soft touch.

If you think otherwise, it is now up to you to present your evidence, which, of course, you cannot do.

When I see the facts change I will change my stance, but you and your ilk just imply this and that with no supporting evidence.

And you have the hide to accuse me of being political.

I believe the vast majority of illegals to be shonsters and con artists and I invite you to present evidence to the contrary.

banjo you should quit before you look really foolish. You can buy a passport in many countries, it is easy! You don't know that? That's how things happen in those countries. And for god's sake get informed. Most of the people travelling to Malaysia dont need a visa to enter. You have ignored all the facts presented to you. People seeking asylum by plane have a much lower acceptance rate than boats. Years and years of official documents are available for you to research and read on these topics but you are not wanting facts. Where do you get your information, from the tabloids? You do know that is not real information? Yours is not an authentic request for knowledge. What is really disturbing is the insularity of your knowledge in not understanding anything that happens outside australia.

Harimen,
Yes, you have it exactly right!

These people break laws and buy their way here and they tell lies to our officials. Then you think we should accept them as fine upstanding future citizens.

Yes, the reason they do not come here legally and apply for asylum is because there is every likelyhood they will not be accepted. The fit young men should stay in their country and help to fix the mess, instead of scurrying away to hide here.

Instead they lie and cheat and impose themselves on us. In short, they take us for a ride.

With thousands of genuine refugees in squalid camps, I cannot think of any reason we should accept gate crashers who have shown themselves to be shonky and deceitfull.

We need to stop the boats from coming and the first step is to withdraw the provision of premanent residence.

Thank you Harimen, you are the only one who supports the illegals that has the honesty to say that the illegals act dishonestly.

Banjo, I just feel sorry for you...

You really are twisted. Of course people have to engage with shady people smugglers and do what they say to save their own lives. If you want to let your children die thats very sad but others have obligations to save the lives of their families and they will do what it takes to save their lives and they want to live. I would be proud to be an illegal if that's the nasty name you want to label on men women and children who have been through hell to get here. I think the lying on forums like this is much worse than anything people have to do to save their lives, on here it's just nasty politics and I would rather have those people as Australians instead.
Even your leader Tony Abbott admits he lies! You don't think holocost survivors lied to save their lives? Don't you know that any refugee, the ones in the camps, detention centres, living on the streets in Indonesia, they all have to lie to escape and survive. When they arrive in Australia they can finally tell their story and not hide from fear. We have a process to weed out peple who are not refugees.
The naivity you have is breathtaking. I don't think you and your mates on this forum have any idea about life threatening conflict and persecution. Maybe some time spent under the Taliban might help? Karma might help you out there. You must have had it too soft. But maybe you would side with the Taliban and not the victims? That's who you are supporting now. Or more probable is that you would be so terrified you would be pushing others out of the way to get on a boat, and I don't think truth would be on your mind.

It would be unfortunate if engaging with people smugglers and risking life on unseaworthy vessels is the only way to escape persecution. If this is so, then it is imperative that protective enclaves are set up at the source. This would allow all asylum seekers, not just the wealthier asylum seekers, to seek refuge far more easily and with far less risk to their lives. It would also allow far more reliable assessments to be made, and might also do more to prevent the misuse of political asylum, such as might be used by people escaping criminal prosecution. And by being under UN control, there would also be more international pressure on countries to stop the persecution of their citizens.

And, of course, the parasitic people smugglers would miss out, so there are advantages all around with this option.