“Have you heard of Godwin’s law?”

Yes I had heard of Godwin’s law Celivia so no excuse, it was rather trite of me, I’m sure you would agree - cringe!

When can I expect a response to my question on my alleged discrimination against Islam?

“You didn't read it, did you?” Wrong again CJ since I did read the piece of jabberwanky you provided and I also took note of your own ambiguous nonsense: “ but I do acknowledge the right of people to adhere to whatever nonsense they like as long as it doesn't detract from the rights of others.”

Hellooooo…C J Morgan – the burqa is notorious for detracting from the rights of others and did you know that the occupation is being blamed for the forced wearing of burqas in Iraq?

http://www.equalityiniraq.com/press-release/59-a-statement-by-organization-of-womens-freedom-in-iraq--abroad-representative-on-international-womens-day-8-march

Of course your Sara abuses the freedom provided to her by the West to promote the burqa and is fortunate enough to have the liberty to take such means to gag her opponents and publish snow jobs on the worldwide subjugation and tyrannical oppression of women who are forced to wear a veil. Her feigned concern and infantile indifference to the suffering of others is noted.

This subjugation of veiled women is perpetrated by the same monsters who kill an estimated 5,000 women in honour killings every year. Sara Haghgoofy and her sympathisers believe they can now subjugate the West into incorporating into its daily life, the burga - a brutal tribal custom and a true symbol of the forces of evil that prevails in the very regimes from which they have sought refuge:

http://www.un.org/womenwatch/daw/egm/vaw_legislation_2009/Expert%20Paper%20EGMGPLHP%20_Sherifa%20Zuhur%20-%20II_.pdf

However, respected Islamic leaders around the planet are pleading with women to abandon the burqa while the precious Sara promotes it!

This silly pontificating ‘prat’, whose article you praise, likened the West’s objection to the burqa as:

“just as offensive as claiming that any woman who chooses to engage in heterosexual relationships has been duped by the patriarchy.”

Ummm……grow up girlfriend! Get real CJ!

Protagoras

You have illustrated your disgust with the Islamic religion - a disgust I share along with similar regard for the other ME religions.

Yes, women aren't treated with anything approaching respect or equality in many predominately Islamic nations.

Therefore, given that Muslims constitute 1.5% of the overall population of Australia, that's 300,000 people, half of whom are male, leaving 150,000 females of whom maybe 10% wear burqas (and that's a very generous percentage - I suspect the figure is actually less) giving a total of 15,000 women wearing the full burqa at most.

In conclusion you favour a law banning 15,000 people from wearing a particular item of clothing, that for the most is worn voluntarily by these women. Many Muslim women have spoken of the importance to them of wearing the burqa.

While you are advocating freedom of dress for the Muslims, are you also advocating freedom of dress for other religions, such as the Exclusive Brethren where women are expected to always wear a scarf on their heads and ankle length skirts or dresses?

Where exactly do you want this dress law to apply? Only to Muslims or across the board for all religions. Would you ban Orthodox Jewish women from wearing wigs? A wig may be an effective disguise and is also an insult to the dignity of women.

You do focus only on one particular religious group - this could explain why people such as CJ or Celivia think you are somewhat bigoted.

Protagoras,
Yeah I suppose it can be fun to mention Hitler in heated discussions.
I don't find it annoying; it entertains me. On the Brian Holden thread, someone also used that Godwin's Law.

Can you just tell me, loud and clear, whether you are against a ban or not? I am still confused.

It's like this, but correct me if I got it wrong:
you say that after exploring the issue of a burqa ban, you now question the use of a ban in Australia.

But then you still continue to find reasons why a ban really would be justified and go on about the evils of Islam that are not even relevant to Australian burqa wearing muslimahs.

So I don't think I am very much out of line to say that you discriminate against Islam.
But you are free to correct me if I'm wrong and explain why you do not discriminate, so I can understand.

I DO get your point of view about sex equality, and I feel the same way IF the woman is forced to wear the burqa. But muslimahs in Australia might choose to wear the burqa- how would you know who wears one voluntary or not?

We do not need to nanny muslimahs.
Besides, if a man wants to oppress/subjugate his partner, he doesn't need the use of a burqa to do so.

‘You have illustrated your disgust with the Islamic religion....."

Severin – I have not and how many times must one reiterate - 'speak for yourself only!' Your active manipulation of facts, your abuse and the retreat to argumentum ad ignorantium reveals the gurglings of one in possession of one half of one sensory neuron.

“Disgust with the Islamic religion?” It is difficult for the intellectually impaired to understand that the burqa is not a mandate written into the Quran and is not part of Islamic law or religion. I do not support any custom which has been exploited for division, hatred and murder.

Subjugation, oppression, deprivation of liberty and honour killings of defenceless women are not a ‘religious’ practice but a cultural phenomenon and it happens to be a global issue occurring in non-Islamic countries too. Catch on? I thought not!

And I really don’t give a fig if 15,000 women in Australia want to wear the burqa provided everyone else is encouraged to wear a face covering including balaclavas, pillow cases as well as the burqa. The freedom must extend to bikies and organised crime gangs particularly those not already in possession of a criminal record.

All Australian women should consider adopting the burqa if they wish to save thousands of dollars on cosmetics and fashion garments. Just imagine not having to buy that designer labelled dress for the wedding of the year where one could rock up to gala events in one’s PJs or how about those skanky trackie daks?

“While you are advocating freedom of dress for the Muslims, are you also advocating freedom of dress for other religions, such as the Exclusive Brethren where women are expected to always wear a scarf on their heads and ankle length skirts or dresses?”

Severin – I visualise your face (pun not intended) and I see SLOW and SILLY!

This thread: “Going Burqo" is irrelevant to scarves and long dresses but poorly-constructed trolls are the dim-wits who induce lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless.

I think Protagoras' recent rants are probably the sort of thing that Legal Eagle had in mind when she wrote "going burq-o".

You are not allowed to wear high-heeled shoes on construction sites or into Railcorp work areas (eg. around active rail lines inside the safety fences): if you turn up in high-heeled shoes or other inappropriate footwear (eg. thongs) in these situations you are not allowed into the site.
People wearing motor bike helments are required to take them off before entering banks, 7-11s etc due to hold-up concerns. This ban on motor bike helmets in banks occured because criminals presumably did hold up banks with motor bike helmets on to avoid recognition by security cameras.
There is no need to "ban the Burqua", despite many people feeling uncomfortable about it (I feel uncomfortable when I see women in very high heeled shoes - as I can't help thinking about the damage they are doing to their feet and ankles): but clearly there will be legitimate limits on where you can wear a burqua. And apart from these limitations, 90% of employment situtations will not be possible for a burqua wearer - though possibly you could get a phone headset under that thing - so maybe a phone-call operator position is possible? I have been told that all burqa wearers in Sydney are fulltime stay-at-home mums: that's certainly believable. The check out ladies in Woolworths near where I live are hijab-wearers.