Fragmachine

After a couple of pages of writing secular dogma you have the audacity to9 write 'Keep your religion to yourselves'. You sound very much like those involved with the gw religion who want to silence any other view than their pathetic dogma dressed in pseudo science.

btw are you one of the many scientist who believed the aboriginals are the missing link. This actually led to much hardship for them rather the many missionaries who sacrificed in to give them a better life. Get your facts right before spewing your hatred.

runner, I don't know what you mean by "secular dogma". If bringing to your attention that religious people do not have a monopoly on compassion equals, "secular dogma" so be it.

"You sound very much like those involved with the gw religion who want to silence any other view"

Ok, I'm not sure how this is related, but I will point out that according to popular opinion 80% of Australians consistently show support for euthanasia. The question then becomes, who exactly, is attempting to silence whom?

"btw are you one of the many scientist who believed the aboriginals are the missing link."

Errr, what missing link? I have no idea what your talking about. I would add however, that any talk of evolution involving "missing links" is probably not exactly your forte; considering your religious beliefs lead you to the conclusion that god just "created" man and then popped out woman from adams rib. Whatever you want to believe sunshine.

"This actually led to much hardship for them rather the many missionaries who sacrificed in to give them a better life"

The missionaries sacrificed what? Their culture? Their Religion? It seems to me the sacrifice was with the Aboriginal people, who sacrificed Aboriginal culture, and Aboriginal religion, for YOUR understanding of a better life. But who are you to judge what constitutes a good life?

Now, It's incorrect to lay the blame for this state of affairs squarely on religion. True the politics and science of the day had an impact, but religion was a prime motivator.

Now I believe this thread was about euthanasia. So, if you have any arguments against euthanasia that you would like to put forward, go ahead, but please don't reference a 2000 year old book. Reason please.

Fragmachine

' if you have any arguments against euthanasia that you would like to put forward, go ahead, but please don't reference a 2000 year old book. Reason please.'

Actually these books describe your spiritual condition very accurately. If you want to deny the obvious and bury your head in the sand you can do so.

I'll take that to mean you have no response to my arguments. You have been reduced to making ad hominem attacks against my perceived "spiritual condition", and in doing so have conceded defeat. Have a nice day.

Short answer David as to why the 20% have greater sway over the remaining 80%- swinging voters- its THEIR vote Labor (or Liberal) need most, as they may just tip the balance in their opponent's favor- and to do this they pander to highly irrational people because they know simple things will keep them under their wing (rational people won't keep supporting them if they do something else wrong).

Anyway, Euthanasia SHOULD be a right of everyone- for everyone that can't process this fact- get over it.
There is no logical argument against it at all, it is so easy to regulate and prevent from abuse, and the biggest part is other counties ARE ALREADY DOING IT in such a manner- with no such cases forcing it to be withdrawn.

But guys- don't bother arguing with the religious loonies here- they don't understand personal will because they don't actually HAVE any as they live their lives based closely upon the instructions of others alone (just like they're basing their arguments) and can't imagine anything than a higher authority granting its will- think about it.

Anyway, I would not support any party that does not see it as a right- it comes to show their attitudes in governance (or lack of wisdom on an issue) in great volumes.

If we were a more democratic country it would have been ancient history- as it isn't, if you feel strongly about making it a reality VOTE for someone who actually supports it.

I believe in everyone's right to top themselves.
In fact, the more the merrier.
However, once you legalise euthanasia for those who choose death you inevitably introduce euthanasia for those who are unable to make the choice for themselves.
It's the old slippery slope.
If all the euthanasia advocates put their money where their mouth was, we wouldn't have to bother with this debate.
Just shut up and top yourselves, if that's what you want to do.