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Fathers and bias in the Family Court : Comments

By Patricia Merkin, published 26/3/2010

Why is the Family Court of Australia giving s*x offenders access to children?

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CJMorgan:"I find your comment both insulting personally and unrepresentative of my views. Please amend it."

Still looking for others to tell you what to say, I see. At least you chose a reputable source on this occasion, I suppose. We might call that progress...

Me yesterday:"On the evidence available he didn't have any pictures meeting the definition of CP you provide."
Severin yesterday:"I haven't bothered to read Anti's latest excuses and insults. "

Me yesterday:"most normal parents allow their children to sleep with them, which makes such behaviour not merely "appropriate", but reasonable."
Severin yesterday:"I haven't bothered to read Anti's latest excuses and insults."

Me yesterday:"Why is that? Don't you think negelected and abused kids deserve our help?"
Severin yesterday:"I haven't bothered to read Anti's latest excuses and insults."

Of course you haven't dear, Antiseptic actually makes sense, as does rstuart, so you're completely out of your depth.

Still, at least you and CJ have each other. You can tell him what to "think" and he can tell you what you told him. Sounds perfect for both of you.
Posted by Antiseptic, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 5:51:28 AM
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43 pages in which Anti and Rstuart have attempted to justify the possession and viewing of child pornography - they claim they don't view personally, but apparently are fighting for the rights of others to child porn.

Not once, have they expressed the slightest concern for the children used, abused, coerced or exploited in the production of child pornography - I have read their posts sufficiently to know this. Not a single expression of compassion for children in general or the children of the father whose behaviour began this lengthy debate.

Not a shred of empathy.

I have done everything I can, including suspension, in order to achieve some acknowledgement that to create child porn one requires CHILDREN - there is nothing that either Anti or Rstuart can say that justifies their opinion on this topic. Few things are so clear or black and white in our society as the evil of exploiting children.
Posted by Severin, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 10:20:26 AM
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Severin:"Few things are so clear or black and white in our society as the evil of exploiting children."

The sun is in the sky, it must be daytime. Cheese binds you up, prunes make you poo.

And endlessly repeated obviosities of all sorts, none of which have anything to do with what rstuart or I have said in this thread.

It's also clear you have no empathy for the poor kids going to bed hungry tonight while Mum and the new boyfriend have it off on the lounge, or copping a tirade of abuse for wanting to go to Dad's place for the weekend or ending up in hospital because Mum's new bloke didn't like getting interrupted by the kid asking for something to eat. You've not expressed a word of sympathy for that vast majority of abuse victims who aren't sexually abused. As long as it's on Mum's watch, it's OK by you, eh?

Gee, that was easy; I'm starting to see why you like this style of posting. It's much less effort than presenting an actual argument.

Cue CJ saying "I agree with Severin"...
Posted by Antiseptic, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 11:11:23 AM
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I agree with Severin.

I hesitate to get back into this topic as it seems to be a never ending circle of getting nowhere but Severin is copping a lot of unnecessary abuse for simply stating the bleedin' obvious. That is, the manufacture of child porn means that children have been abused. What is the mindset of those who wish to download this stuff, the user is in effect accessing a product which has led to the severe and sometimes fatal abuse of a child.

What sort of society would say abusing children for the purpose of CP is wrong but no worries mate go ahead and access it, no problems at all.

rstuart and antiseptic your calls for freedoms would be better utilised in areas that actually don't involve illegal behaviour. They are illegal for good reason.

One can argue about restricting access for a father who has been found guilty of looking at child porn as a loss of freedom, but this is misplaced IMO no matter which way it you try and package with a pretty bow as a rights issue. To argue that restrictions like this do more to destroy families than to help them is plainly ridiculous. Especially in this story as the children do not want access.

It is hard to believe this thread has gone on for so long to defend some scumbag's right to download or possess child porn.

There must be better causes you can hang your hat on.
Posted by pelican, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 5:20:15 PM
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@pelican: What is the mindset of those who wish to download this stuff, the user is in effect accessing a product which has led to the severe and sometimes fatal abuse of a child.

Maybe it isn't much different from people who watch those compendium's of fatal accidents on TV?

@pelican: What sort of society would say abusing children for the purpose of CP is wrong but no worries mate go ahead and access it, no problems at all.

I don't know pelican. I don't think such a society exists. You apparently do, so maybe you could describe it. If you can imagine people risk the sort of sanctions we put on paedophiles merely to make a few dollars selling pictures of abused kids, then who knows maybe you can imagine the sort of society that would accept them. I can't.

@pelican: rstuart and antiseptic your calls for freedoms

The only people who have used the word "freedom" in this entire thread are you and Severin. No one but you two have argued this is about freedoms. And now you two try to score points by claiming others do! Do you know what a hypocrite is, pelican?

@pelican: It is hard to believe this thread has gone on for so long to defend some scumbag's right to download or possess child porn.

I am glad you find it hard to believe, because it is wrong. What would be difficult to believe is after us go at it hammer and tongs for 43 pages by Severin's count, you thought this was a discussion about that fathers right to download porn.

Except you do believe that, don't you. You really think my prime motivation is the father should be allowed to download porn, and to hell with the kids.

Right now, I am at a total loss at how to explain to you what this has been about. I suspect it is impossible.
Posted by rstuart, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 6:35:02 PM
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Benk:

Thanks for the offer of the deal but there is no reason to make such a deal.

You are partially correct that people try to discredit feminism by quoting Andrea Dworkin; you suggest your own awareness that in fact she is MISquoted, which I have found invariably to be the case. I would expect any person with integrity to want to present any quote they're using honestly. On the other hand Dworkin, like many other prominent advocate/writers, has been controversial even amongst feminists. That's ok - it's as it should be.

As to your concern that the proposal that pornography in general is not reflected accurately in the scenario; that's arguable (maybe you're confusing it with erotica) but irrelevant. I am telling you how violence in pornography makes ME and women LIKE ME, feel. These are my feelings; I own them. MY FEELINGS tell me, and incidentally research verifies MY FEELINGS as valid, that constantly portraying women and children as sexually desirable when they passively (and sometimes happily) welcome degradation and abuse, reflects the degree of regard in which some humans are held in the wider community.

We have endless bleating on here (including in a recent OLO article) that men are being devalued in society. My scenario says that, until men and boys are portrayed in the ways that women and children are portrayed for male sexual pleasure, men can consider themselves well regarded (as most men are).
Posted by Pynchme, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 11:29:11 PM
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