DavidF.
I agree, there's no point discussing the matter further, however you said: "I have shown where the manifesto calls for murder and specifies tyranny".
Rubbish!
Here is your "specification": "Also from the Manifesto:

“You must, therefore, confess that by "individual" you mean no other person than the bourgeois, than the middle-class owner of property. This person must, indeed, be swept out of the way, and made impossible.”

That sounds like a recommendation for mass murder to me."

Try reading it in context!

Apologies, but with your back-biting each other, and not enough agreeing with each other, reckon you are acting like a lot of spoilt kids thus getting pretty well no-where.

Reckon a couple of female Phd's or even Professors would do us a lot of good.

Notice I also include myself.....?

Cheers, BB, WA.

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For heaven's sake bushbred why don't you but out! Who put you in charge of setting the agenda?
I can assure you that I'm 100% committed to improving the world. I'm battling against ideology!
I agree that OLO is male dominated, and it's a shame, but what do you propose we do about it?
This has been an important issue and I'm damned if I'm going to let DavidF feign triumphalism.
Now, Bushbred, the floor is yours; what earth-changing contribution have you got to make?

DavidF
You say: " I think it is up to those who maintain there is a God to show that such an entity is other than an invention."

I agree. So how would you judge whether or not someone has shown that God is other than an invention?

Perhaps a more useful question would be: What does Judaism, Christianity or even Islam lack which leads you to conclude that they are merely human invention, despite their claims to the contrary?

Squeers, as I turn 90 next year, must say that the attitudes of even our own people, makes me worried about my 15 great grandkids.

Might say that my mature age studies have left me with a poor conception of religous faith - any faith as a matter of fact.

So as with many philosophers my main feelings before I go are based on Hope and Charity, believing that Hope is more everlasting.

Might say that apparently as with Mandela, though the Sermon on the Mount may not be a true story, it could be the most needed story ever written.

Cheers, BB, Buntine, WA.

grateful wrote: "Perhaps a more useful question would be: What does Judaism, Christianity or even Islam lack which leads you to conclude that they are merely human invention, despite their claims to the contrary?"

Dear grateful,

All of the above lack any proof to substantiate their claims. Why 'even Islam'? Islam does not have a primitive humanoid god like the Romans and the Christians. It seems less unreasonable than Christianity.

bushbred wrote: "Might say that my mature age studies have left me with a poor conception of religous faith - any faith as a matter of fact."

I agree. Gullibility is not a virtue.

Squeers wrote: "I'm battling against ideology!"

Isn't Marxism an ideology?

Squeers also wrote: "This has been an important issue and I'm damned if I'm going to let DavidF feign triumphalism."

How does one feign triumphalism? I don't even feel like exhibiting overt or any other kind of triumphalism. It's not good form.