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Localisation and the middle class : Comments

By Chris James, published 18/2/2010

Capitalism is in decline and this is putting the middle classes into crisis.

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Hmmm...sure this published been copied from the good ol' "Socialist Worker"? That's where it belongs.

What complete tripe. It seems that now the supposed 'middle class' are to blamed for everything wrong in the world, from the industrial revolution to racism. I think she's been reading Marx and looking to update it a bit.
Posted by Street, Thursday, 18 February 2010 8:49:57 AM
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In another thread Foxy questioned the linking of "Ignorant", & "Academic". Well Foxy, I'm afraid I can not agree with you on that. Infact I find they fit together naturally.

Now we have Chris showing that we can link another couple, that being idiot, & ratbag.

I don't know what she thinks has been responsible for the rapid growth of China's industry, if it was not the conversion of their industry, [but not their politics], to a capitalist system.

Chris, I'll bet all those Chinese who now go to bed, with a full belly don't agree with you either.

Of course, those with a bee in their bonnet are not renowned for clear thinking. In Chris's case the noise of all thoss bees must be quite deafenimg, causing her to live in her own little world.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 18 February 2010 10:33:09 AM
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I have to disagree.

The trouble is is that we have been relentlessly propagandized into presuming and acting that we are ALL independent centers of absolute self-fulfillment and that the purpose of life is acquiring and owning as much as possible.

The person with the biggest castle filled up with the all of the biggest and most expensive latest hi-tech toys wins!

The return to localism is the only real alternative to the current system which IS unsustainable.

One of the best essays written on the topic was The Idea of a Local Economy by Wendell Berry. The widely read essay was written in response to Sept 11 and Globalization altogether.

Plus this essay from my usual source:

http://www.dabase.org/coopcomm.htm

Also:

http://blessedunrest.com this reference was highly recommended by the author of the reference above.

The other alternative is a return to xenophobic nativism as promoted by One Nation here in Oz or the ludicrous "tea-party" movement in the USA. And all of the other fear and loathing based right-wing movements that are a feature of the world altogether in 2010.
Posted by Ho Hum, Thursday, 18 February 2010 10:58:02 AM
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Capitalism - as opposed to what? A society in which private ownership of the tools and means of production - your labour, tools, machines, computers, farms, and workshops - is illegaly?

Globalisation - as opposed to what? A society in which the movement of people and goods across borders is illegal? Why only ban movement across national borders? Why not across state, municipal and shire borders too?

But if private property and movements across borders are not to be illegalised, then how are you going to acheive a society that does not have the perceived defects of capitalism and globalisation, given that, if people are free to choose, they do choose to privately own the fruits of their labour, their tools and means of production, and to buy and sell goods and services across borders?

In the society you have in mind, who is to make the decisions on what to produce, and how? How are these decision-makers to be held accountable to the preferences of the mass of the consumers - the workers? How are they going to know the wishes of the consumers, or the relative scarcity of resources as they change from day to day? What personal incentive will they have not to waste resources?

Either you are knowingly proposing a society that would be far more grossly abusive to people and the environment than capitalism and globalisation, or you are really are as vap-headed and blindly arrogant as you appear to be.
Posted by Peter Hume, Thursday, 18 February 2010 11:23:55 AM
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Peter You are too smart to let you get away with such shortsighted politicking.
Argument by extremes is a manipulation technique not valid argument.
Try again
Posted by examinator, Thursday, 18 February 2010 11:52:34 AM
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Chris James has me stumped. Her opinions are just too addled for logical response.
Posted by Leigh, Thursday, 18 February 2010 12:35:08 PM
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examinator
They are questions, not argument.

Your misrepresentation is a manipulation technique.

You obviously think the answers to the question will reveal that the author's ideology is extreme; otherwise what are the answers to the questions?
Posted by Peter Hume, Thursday, 18 February 2010 2:47:29 PM
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well, OLO is a broad church, but I wonder of Dr James really, really thinks this or whether or not it's a pastiche of all of the nutty responses we've had on class, politics, population, religion, etc.

If that's the case then it's a nice piece of irony. If not, she needs to come back to the city and see someone who can help her through a very delusional period.

I do like her photo though.
Posted by Cheryl, Thursday, 18 February 2010 3:22:40 PM
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I'm with Leigh. The article may make sense to the author but the rest of us are puzzled. Decline in capitalism? Sorry, but its clearly the other way around. Protectionism has long been in decline in Australia basically because it did not work. Tariffs have their uses but only in certain circumstances. In Australia, the sole result of the old system of tariffs was to give money to the employers (and some to their workers in what were known as sweatheart deals) to keep uncompetitive industries alive...
Posted by Curmudgeon, Thursday, 18 February 2010 5:05:31 PM
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Foxy alright. This is a refreshing article. Dr Chris James you have a new fan.

"I do not dispute the fact that the multinationals are greedy and dominant and do what they can to cut corners on human rights and expected standards. I do not dispute that many aspects of globalisation need to be changed, but let’s change them for the better not to suit middle class interests."

I don't agree that capitalism is decline. I believe it is becoming so narrowly elite it is out stripping itself as a fair means of exchange and many will find themselves out of sorts no matter their class.

When oil, water, food on the farm, land and information is all controlled by multi-nationals we all have a problem. Those who support 'international feudalism' directly and indirectly - by not saying or doing anything to change the terms, having their focus on their own consumer wealth rather than the wellbeing of whole local community, need only have themselves to blame.

Climate Change as it is only supports those who have the resoures to be climate financial savvy. People with poor incomes [here and overseas] have little place to turn. Housing, Land, Employment and access to Food and Transport is becoming a new Space Age issue.

Amid all the concrete in the developed world it is a ugly sight, only to get worse given we have no will to divert the phenomenology, given we deny our own ecology, here as overseas.

If there is something I'd like to add. No ask... it is that you now write a spritely article to tap the situation in Social Services. Given I have tested many issues across many departments, my frustration notes colonialism as still rife and current, only now we are doing it to ourselves, too.

As with a society, it is individuals that make up government and if they don't see change, then their whole of government truly lacks soul.

http://www.miacat.com/
Posted by miacat, Saturday, 20 February 2010 5:57:39 PM
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Dr Chris James is an artist, writer, researcher and psychotherapist. She lives on a property in regional Victoria and lectures on psychotherapeutic communities and eco-development.

How wonderful that chris has all that open space, one suspects she owns privately. Now lets see chris trade up to one of the green lefts high density digs and conform accordingly to the mantra she espouses.
Posted by Dallas, Monday, 1 March 2010 12:07:14 PM
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