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Posted by Philip S, Saturday, 8 December 2018 8:20:09 PM
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Let me be clear, this is a Trump like scare tactic not in any way related to the truth
As a Labor member/voter I know the damage past actions did Too that just like the Liberals, we have in our ranks some who do not agree. Labor will not DARE change any thing that restarts the boats ScoMo however, by his miss use of this issue, and warning of boats restarting Is inviting them to start on the day Labor wins the election The Malaysian solution would have stopped the boats, for us and given positive out comes to all our near neighbors Soon, the world must address overpopulation And ECONOMIC refugees Not because the right wants it but because most do too. Posted by Belly, Monday, 10 December 2018 11:06:38 AM
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'Let me be clear, this is a Trump like scare tactic not in any way related to the truth'
yeah Belly just like Rudd's murderess decison was a Bush type scare. Face it Belly you beloved labour party have been hijacked by marxist pretending to be compassionate but in reality are totally blinded by ideology and hate of the West. Of course they love the benefits gained by hard working aussies. You are in denial. Posted by runner, Monday, 10 December 2018 11:24:23 AM
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Belly - Shorten said "He said: 'Labor does not accept the corollary between discouraging the people-smuggling trade and keeping people in detention for five plus years. That's shameful.'"
If he does not like putting people in detention who arrive here what will he do with them? Release them into the communities. Your biggest mistake is also to believe him, remember politicians will promise the world to get elected, then give reasons why they can't deliver once they are in power. Gillard said “There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead”, Posted by Philip S, Monday, 10 December 2018 12:11:46 PM
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I'm not sure why the medical treatment available on Nauru is good enough for the local people - who manage without being sent to Australia - but is not good enough for illegal aliens who should not be there on the first place.
Of course Shorten will start the boats again; the Liberal's self-destruction will see to that. Of course, if by some miracle the Liberals were returned next year, we can no longer be sure that they won't do the same thing. Posted by ttbn, Monday, 10 December 2018 12:31:50 PM
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Looks like there is a bigger problem than boats. The last sentence is of concern. Suggest follow the link for whole story.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-10/chinese-nationals-claiming-refugee-asylum-surges-311-per-cent/10590478 Chinese tourists and international students help drive asylum claims up 311 per cent The number of Chinese nationals applying for refugee asylum in Australia has risen by 311 per cent in just one year, according to figures from the Department of Home Affairs. Onshore protection visa applications from those who arrived by plane from the People's Republic of China jumped from 2,269 in 2016-17 to 9,315 in 2017-18, the data reveals. Despite the surge in claims, Chinese nationals had one of the lowest success rates for protection visas, with the Department only recognising 10 per cent of those claims as being genuine. The total number of onshore asylum claims for all nationalities soared 225 per cent from 8,587 in 2014-15 to 27,931 in 2017-18 with Chinese nationals making up a third of all claims over that period. Associate professor of law at Murdoch University Mary Anne Kenny said an obvious reason for the spike in questionable protection claims was the bridging visas you could obtain while awaiting a decision. "Once you are in the country, either as a tourist or a student, if you then apply for a protection visa, you are eligible for a bridging visa," she told the ABC. "Depending on the type, [it] may give you the right to work and can take some time [to process] depending on how long it takes the department to process the application. "It doesn't cost very much to make an application and you can then extend your period of stay here, because you will be on the bridging visa while your application is [being] determined." In August 2018, there were 176,000 people on bridging visas in Australia — a massive jump from 40,000 at the same time last year. Posted by Philip S, Monday, 10 December 2018 1:10:43 PM
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We have a Navy that's well equipped to protect our borders. Locking up asylum seekers indefinitely for "processing" (which never takes place) besmirches our identity as a nation.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Monday, 10 December 2018 1:29:30 PM
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What a shameful muckraking headline from a widely discredited toerag of an organisation.
Just how many convicted rapists or murderers are there in our detention camps? As the main argument is about bringing sick children to Australia for treatment how many of them are convicted rapists or murderers? What a load of heartless rubbish and the person who polluted this forum with it should be ashamed. Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 10 December 2018 1:41:39 PM
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Not going to engage in verbal warfare with those who have closed minds
Yes I know it is cruel, offshore detention But as I have in thread after thread said, the middle path is the one voters want And both sides know boat arrivals are past their use by date Any sign of weakness, human feelings, will restart those boats This coming weekend is Labor National conference Some will call for ending the practice. They WILL BE DEFEATED Let the greens have those who want to reject the views of over half of the population, Labor knows only from in the government benches can it get good policy in place A new Malaysian solution? maybe Posted by Belly, Monday, 10 December 2018 1:50:47 PM
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Dear Belly,
If you don't want to engage in verbal warfare my friend don't post this kind of misinformed rubbish; “Any sign of weakness, human feelings, will restart those boats” The boats are still coming. They are mostly being turned back because of the naval capacity we have in the area not because of our terrible treatment of children. This shouldn't mean we deny children proper and appropriate medical care for some mythical 'cruel to a few to be kind to the many' mantra. We should at least be better than that even if it is just in this instance. Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 10 December 2018 2:23:32 PM
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SteelRedux your view is shared by about 15, maybe 20, percent of voters
We are and will remain a multicultural country How much chance have the greens of ever ruling this country What about the other extreme one motion Conservatives use refugees as a weapon, because it works Labor had its blind stupidity 23 years in opposition It never again will have policy that serves the few and turns the rest against it Until true welfare reform is in place, until economic refugees stop coming, Labor like the Liberals will follow the voters Sad yes, but true Posted by Belly, Monday, 10 December 2018 3:51:33 PM
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Belly -
so most aware you have your conference this weekend. However, we need to cover past history - Who was the Government in power that chose to ignore Howard's policy -whereby there were 7 detainees in camp only. We come to Labor - Who opened the floodgates for 50,000 illegal boat people to enter our shores, !,200 deaths at sea, that we know of, plus over 8,000 children being detained in detention centres. At the same time 17 detention centres had to be re-opened during this time. During this time "illegal" boat people arriving on our shores tossed their identifications overboard - oh but no - not their mobile phones. The Activists had their numbers, and continue to this very day to seek to destroy security for all Australian citizens. So I ask you a question as an Aussie citizen - Lindt Café seize and resultant death and/or injury of "special" mates. Have you googled the perpetrator who caused death and injury to some extremely 'special" people in our lives. This person should not have been in Australia, nor on our streets. If not, please do so, and do hope you will change your mind as to an Aussie's view on how they "wrought" the system, such wrought continues to this very day. You can view AAPT tribunal decisions for yourself. There are many other instances - but we will respect those lives lost in all terror attacks on Aussie citizens. This new Motion put up by Phelps supported by Labor and the Greens leaves voters saying - no way will we - as voters - put our security in jeopardy again - for any party and under any guise. Posted by SAINTS, Monday, 10 December 2018 5:30:41 PM
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Belly --So as you know -I - like many others - am a swing voter - not aligned to any party.
Posted by SAINTS, Monday, 10 December 2018 5:34:13 PM
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Belly -
So on tonight's news Shorten is moving forward on his policy and has ignored ASIO's advice. So, if ASIO are advising Shorten that his policy is not in the best security interests of Australians, and he ignores ASIO's advice - do you seriously believe we will back him and his "security destroying" policies for safety of all Australian citizens? Posted by SAINTS, Monday, 10 December 2018 5:52:58 PM
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Getting desperate Phil, still providing links to the UK's 'Daily Trash', I see. Nothing like a beat up is there to get the misinformed on side.
Anything to say about Dud Dutton wanting to fast track possible murderers from South Africa into Australia? Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 10 December 2018 6:51:22 PM
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Before they voted on that bill the Government offered crossbenchers a security briefing by Operation Sovereign Boarder officials today.
The ABC confirmed Lower House MPs Rebekha Sharkie, Andrew Wilkie, Bob Katter, Ms Banks and Dr Phelps declined that offer. The ABC understands Greens MP Adam Bandt was not invited but would not have attended if he had. Crossbench senators Rex Patrick, Tim Storer, David Leyonhjelm and Derryn Hinch declined to attend. Centre Alliance senator Stirling Griff offered to send a staffer to represent him. The Government offered various times for the briefings with Home Affairs chief Mike Pezzullo and Operation Sovereign Borders commander Air Vice Marshal Stephen Osborne in an attempt to overcome scheduling issues that prevented crossbenchers from attending. So these so called representatives of the people could not even be bothered attending a meeting to get possible critical information that is not publicly available. SteeleRedux Quote "Just how many convicted rapists or murderers are there in our detention camps?" That could have been one of the topics of the Government briefing the politicians did not go to. There have been reports of rape etc in the camps, but Government does not release figures. Quote "The boats are still coming. They are mostly being turned back because of the naval capacity we have in the area not because of our terrible treatment of children." Wrong there have only been approx 33 boats turned back in the past few years. They mostly stopped because the smugglers could not guarantee they would stay in Australia, instead shipped off to an Island. But if they can claim to be sick or come with children that opens two big loopholes that can be exploited. Quote "What a load of heartless rubbish and the person who polluted this forum with it should be ashamed." Gee did you come up with that yourself or did you google for 101 sarcastic remarks? Posted by Philip S, Monday, 10 December 2018 7:01:53 PM
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u can also be sure that the renewables scam pushing electricity prices sky high will be on steroids under Labour. They will be deceitful enough to blame it in the coal industry. they have certainly dumberd down the masses with the help of the getup clowns,
Posted by runner, Monday, 10 December 2018 8:26:41 PM
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runner you should be pleased; according to The Leader of the House, Christopher Pyne, he tweeted (but subsequently deleted) that "Labor has chosen to allow terrorists and paedophiles to continue their evil work."
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 10 December 2018 9:26:07 PM
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unfortunately Paul, Pyne would say anything he thinks would get him elected. Pyne and Turnbull were both very regressive.
Posted by runner, Monday, 10 December 2018 9:51:56 PM
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No way around it some posts are quite funny even while quite wrong a real giggle
I see SAINTS wants to, well put a separate issue forward We are not talking about encryption laws Let us see, the motion before the house next years still gives the minister veto rights It proposes sick people be sent here for treatment,NOT let them stay here MiniMe, like his mate and mentor Trump, has determined lies are useful tools, tell AUSTRALIA Labor intends to open the door. Labor in fact not just before election but once in government, will walk with the voters Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 4:53:09 AM
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In 2007 KRudd promised to continue the fiscal responsibility of the Howard Government and to maintain the tough border protection measures, that he abandoned both promises was largely due to the strength in numbers of the bleeding heart air heads in the labor caucus. This of course led to the armada of leaky boat, 1200 deaths and 50 000 illegal immigrants to clog up our detention centers, our courts and our welfare systems.
Not only is electricity Bill going give any detainee with a cough free passage to Aus, but intends to grant 10 000 illegals that have not been granted refugee status a free pass to citizenship, and the left whinge labor caucus are already agitating to close off shore detention and stop the boat turn backs. Having completely cocked it up before after promising not to, why on earth should we believe them now. Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 7:13:54 AM
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Shadow, should we believe anything those self serving Coalition clowns in Canberra say. If re-elected it is almost certain the Morrison Mob would dismantle Medicare, throw thousands off the Aged Pension and cut the payments to the rest of the old folks. They would slash billions from education and health, cut workers pay and conditions, while giving the big end of town a huge tax cut. And the icing on the cake would be a free get out of jail card for their crooked banking mates.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 7:52:07 AM
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Paul,
You certainly seem to swallow whole the bilge those self serving morons in Labor and the greens serve up. What evidence do you have that the coalition wants to dismantle medicare? absolutely zero. What evidence do I have for my statements above? Easy, 1 Bill Shorten said so, 2 that's what half of the labor caucus has publicly stated that it wants 3 That's exactly what labor did last time after promising not to. Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 10:32:16 AM
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Shadow Minster at least you are on form, you very well could be scomos speech writer
Informed people know Howard had the boom in iron coal and much more to help him He gave much of it away in tax cuts Rudd soon after being elected had the GFC land in his lap Too the knives of a few self servers in his party Voters have power, many miss use it, [one motion, far right party,s] In the matter of boat people, include the economy, Labor knows voters expectations They will not dare let the boats restart ever Scomo has lost the election, NSW Liberal government has lost too, calling them both Because the party insults its base/women/honesty, with a war on truth Not policy just raise fear and loathing about Labor That is the reason both elections are lost/parliament is only sitting for a very few days, LNP has lost its way Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 10:47:22 AM
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Please consider, politics, always a hard subject
We will have different views, we will clash Each side will be upset with the others view SM and one other named me a lie teller, in all honesty in my view because the truth hurt We too say, in some cases all, but many voters do not understand what they vote for That all, it was trotted out to explain the Victorian thrashing the LNP took, voters we are told are stupid, unless they agree with us. Politicians, on every side, think, in my view know,a refusal to truly understand politics best serves them Micro party,s exist because they feed on it In the end standing opposite each other throwing insults will not work Politics is the only way a single person can have a say, so let fly with the fear and loathing but if, and it is an if,voters are not as dumb as you think we one day may see policy not rubbish be produced to win elections Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 3:11:20 PM
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The truth will come out eventually.
A Labor government could gift permanent residency to almost 10,000 asylum seekers who arrived in Australia illegally. Labor's national conference in Adelaide this weekend will consider a motion to end offshore processing of boat arrivals by scrapping 'indefinite detention' on Manus Island and Nauru. Under the left faction's proposal, thousands of asylum seekers would be granted permanent protection in Australia should Labor win next year's federal election as widely predicted by opinion polls. The end result would be permanent residency for asylum seekers, with full work and welfare rights. Inner Melbourne-based left faction Labor backbencher Ged Kearney, a former ACTU leader, is leading the charge to end offshore detention, putting her at odds with Labor leader Bill Shorten. 'Labor's goal must be to get everyone held in offshore detention to safety and build a framework that could mean nobody actually has to go to offshore-processing facilities,' Kearney wrote in the party's left faction Challenge. Mr Shorten, who hails from the right faction, said on Monday the ALP was committed to 'turning boats back where it is safe to do so.' 'This government should have done more to resettle people elsewhere around the world than they have, and that's what we'll do.' Mr Shorten predicted the left faction's radical proposals would be unsuccessful on the floor of the national conference. Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton said Labor's left faction proposal smacked of ignorance. 'Labor's reckless border failures have cost our country dearly,' Mr Dutton told The Australian. 'Cleaning up the dreadful mess of 50,000 illegal arrivals is costing us hundreds of millions of dollars a year, and will for years to come — money that could otherwise have been spent on Australians, but is sucked up dealing with these people. 'It's frightening that Labor has clearly learned nothing and is ready to do it again. Con't Posted by Philip S, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 6:11:32 PM
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Con't
Temporary protection visas, reintroduced by the Coalition in 2013, allow illegal boat arrivals to stay in Australia until it is deemed safe to return home. There have been more than 64,000 applications for protection visas since 2015 from people who arrived legally on a plane. Senior Labor frontbenchers have dismissed suggestions an ugly stoush on border protection could overshadow the ALP's national conference, as the Coalition zeros in on the issue. Tanya Plibersek, federal Labor's deputy leader who hails from the Left faction, is throwing her support behind Mr Shorten at the expense of her own ideological supporters within her party. 'Offshore processing and boat turn backs, yes I support current Labor policy,' the inner-Sydney based MP said. 'But I also believe we can get people off Manus and Nauru. I believe we can bring more people here and bring them safely.' Senior Labor frontbencher Tony Burke, whose western Sydney electorate has Australia's highest proportion of Muslims, was confident there would be no changes to Labor's existing boat turn backs and offshore processing policies. 'There's a debate about these issues every conference,' he told Sky News on Monday. When Labor was last in government, it abolished temporary protections visas in 2008 soon after coming to power. It also ended offshore detention on Nauru and Manus Island but this led to a surge in boat arrivals, and included the death of 48 asylum seekers in December 2010 after their illegal vessel attempted to land at Christmas Island. When Kevin Rudd briefly became prime minister again in 2013, he reinstated offshore processing at Manus Island, in Papua New Guinea, and vowed asylum seekers who arrived by boat would never settle in Australia. ** The fact some politicians want to do this shows there is a problem, no matter what Shorten says. ** Posted by Philip S, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 6:14:24 PM
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Belly,
You often mention the word TRUTH, so how about you admit a truth or two. Before being elected PM Rudd promised to continue the successful fiscal policies of the Howard government and maintain the tough and successful border protection policies of the Howard government, yet he abandoned both for whatever reason. PM Gillard also said 'There will not be a carbon tax under a government that I lead' and she abandoned that undertaking. So straight out admitting these as TRUTHS would be a good start. Come on admit that Labor governments have lied in the past. There is no reason to expect no lies this time. Posted by HenryL, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 6:18:49 PM
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Saw this on a article a comment by someone, how true.
Don't you just love how the Labour Party reckon they are for the "working man". Yet virtually none of them have ever had a real job in their life. Posted by Philip S, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 7:01:54 PM
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PhilipS,
Yes, just like the lawyer and ambulance-chaser infested Liberal Party and most of the Nationals who are "Pitt Street Farmers" and have never worked on the land. Most politicians are party apparatchiks or ex-staffers and that applies to the all, not just the ALP. Posted by rache, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 12:38:39 AM
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Dutton is right and Labour is lying. Google PIH and you get this. The Pacific International Hospital (PIH) at Port Moresby is the epitome of excellence in multi-specialty Healthcare in PNG, offering round-the clock Critical Care and Emergency & Ambulance services. A world class infrastructure, supported by cutting edge technology and a dedicated team of healthcare professionals is our hallmark. The so called refugees have this on their doorstep, why bring them to Australia when they have access to this where they are. Shorten
I googled it and seems good, and Australia has to pay all the costs for treating them, so why come to Australia. Posted by Philip S, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 1:29:03 AM
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Belly,
Nothing I said was incorrect. True Krudd had to deal with the GFC, but the test of a man is how you work in a crisis, and Krudd failed miserably. Even when in 2010 the coal and steel revenues were double that that Howard enjoyed he ran a huge deficit on disastrous vanity projects. As for the boats, the amendments that Bill Shortarse is trying to introduce will enable activist doctors to repatriate every off shore detainee in a few weeks after a few Skype consultations. I remember having a similar conversation on OLO just after Krudd had dismantled the Pacific solution and the boats had started with a couple of hundred illegals and being mocked by the left whingers when I said that it could accelerate to thousands or tens of thousands. Belly, if you want Labor to stay in power more than one term you better pray that they don't cock it up again. The voters won't swallow all the weasel words from Krudd and Juliar again after Abbott stopped the boats in a couple of months. P.S. when someone deliberately states a falsehood, then I call it out as a lie. Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 3:34:35 AM
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Shadow, instead of criticising Rudd, you should be thankful that it was his Labor government that took the decisive action to protect millions of Australians from the effects of the GFC. The then opposition which included Abbott, Turnbull and Morrison wanted to take a "do nothing" approach.
As for my claims that a returned Morrison government would take the sward to such things as Medicare, pensions, workers pay and conditions, education, health etc etc, you only have to look at their history to see its a real possibility. What has restrained this mob of cut throats has been a responsible Senate, which has voted down many of the hurtful proposals put up by the Government. Take one look at Morrison's record! -Voted 26 times to block the Banking Royal Commission. -Voted 7 times to cut $14 billion from public schools. -Voted 7 times to cut the Aged pension, age lifted to 70. -Cut $715 million from public hospitals. -Wanted to give Big Business $50 billion in tax cuts. -Wanted a user pay system introduced for Medicare. -Supported pays cuts for the low paid in retail and hospitality. -Forced up power prices with a non existent energy policy. -Wasted billion on toys for the boys, submarines for the Navy. Between Abbott, Turnbull and Morrison, and who knows who will be running the circus next week, they have made a complete cock up! Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 5:13:11 AM
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Shadow Minister you and I share an opinion
Each knows the other is wrong We both shake our heads at the shear inability of the other to consider views other than ours We have every right to our differing views,IF A DAY comes when we are no longer free to hold and express our views this country will be in deep trouble To hoist the name Dutton, as one contributor has, and claim truth is stretching it Face it SM even on your side, people who would never ever consider voting Labor push for an end to offshore detention It will not happen, do not target Labor or Liberal it is the voters who drive this detention Find, while we wait for the world to catch up, [and it surely will] of stopping refugees, find a middle path The Malaysian solution was the best out come in a no win situation. Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 5:14:28 AM
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Henry L do you read my posts Rudd did promise, he did get sandbagged by the GFC
It is coming again,before or after the election is the only unknown Gillard, not my pick, in fact she was one of a bunch who I have not forgiven for that knifing Your truth need not be mine in demanding I reword/remove my view are you willing to b4e censored too A Henry L from my past saw gillard's boyfriend remove laborers from a job site [striking without reason or notice] leaving the crew in danger he like her are not my mates Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 5:23:50 AM
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Paul,
I am not sure whether you are: A) delusional B) simple and unable to spout off anything other than labor green talking points C) a deliberate liar. When the GFC hit, there is nothing from the liberals indicating that they ever suggested doing nothing. That labor's policy was to wantonly spend on stupid plans like a drunk with someone else's credit card does not mean that the libs would have spent nothing. It would have been perfectly possible to spend 1/2 of the amount well and got the same boost to the economy. Instead we threw away $9bn on a cash hand out with nearly zero effect, cookie cutter school halls that most schools didn't need, a pink batts policy that killed young people and burnt down houses, and record debt. The same goes for the rest bollocks you put up. Coming from the greens that have a problem with its MPs and members harassing women and one suspected kiddie fiddler, you can hardly talk. Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 11:35:22 AM
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Paul you get it again! the Shadow Minister award for being other than him in your views
You should regard it as an honor Bill Shorten our country,s next Prime Minister is talking to the national press club In part the inability of Liberals to even consider what voters want, is ensuring he gets that office Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 11:51:17 AM
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Belly and Paul,
What you blokes will not agree to is the thing that saved us during the GFC was the fact that other countries, like China, were still buying our iron ore, gas and coal. The ponzi and badly managed schemes arranged by Labor simply created massive debt and did nothing to help us. Labor lied and lied to us about most things, even their responsibility for the deaths of 1200 illegals and the workers deaths while installing the pink bats. Nothing will change this time round with Labor. Posted by HenryL, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 12:41:18 PM
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Henry L think we can agree on two things, every post ww2 government was elected because they had been the one voters wanted
And just as surely, they, every one of them lost when the voters rejected them Now Rudd we can swap views all day, but truth is some, quite a few voters are voting on what they see now, not history 45/55 is telling, new voters, post 2010/and 2016 may not even know about either of our views about 11 years ago One poster often, tells us the election of the big man, in 1972, is reason this country is buggered! Voters get it right Labor will not ever let the boats restart let the detainees come here Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 4:05:16 PM
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Belly - Are you aware that politicians who are elected are supposed to represent everyone, even those that do not vote for them.
Taking that into account what do you have to say about this while deputy leader, Gillard questioned an increase to the aged pension, allegedly saying “elderly voters did not support Labor”. So much for representing everyone. Posted by Philip S, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 6:39:29 PM
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PHILIP S let me be clear I am aware of that utterance from a woman I never warmed to
Never joined the dreadful hate but never elected and never wanted At this time I could list an endless list of Government human failures, just like her Would that be in any way proof the whole party, based on the actions of some one long gone, is not worth electing? Voters are presented with today,s Labor V today,s Liberal 45/55 Do you think they care about yesterday?Maybe Brendan Nelsons reply to Rudd,s sorry speech as pathetic and insulting as it was is going to be on the minds of voters next year? Posted by Belly, Thursday, 13 December 2018 5:15:24 AM
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"Voters are presented with today's Labor V today's Liberal" [edited]
- Some choose 'None of the above'. Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 13 December 2018 10:53:37 AM
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Armchair Critic in saying none of the above, those voters rarely see their votes do any thing
Still our two party system says in the end most votes count for one or the other 45/55 is not a made up number Posted by Belly, Thursday, 13 December 2018 12:01:40 PM
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Belly That 45/55 only takes 2 parties into account there are also Greens, independents, One Nation etc.
If that was from a poll it shows how seriously flawed it was. Quote "those voters rarely see their votes do any thing" with a hung parliament those people have more power than you could imagine. Also the none 2 party candidates are increasing in number. Posted by Philip S, Thursday, 13 December 2018 5:34:48 PM
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Philip S sorry old mate thought it was clear two party prefered is the end result
After votes are distributed, we know or should, primary vote of the big two are falling In fact have never been lower Do we understand however just how many minors win seats The upper house, no matter who governs, will be very different this time, micro party,s will disappear from that house Maybe the falling primary will one day lead to a different third force, but right now, only because of our senate the greens own that spot Labor knows and is on a mission, it MUST prove its financial abilities,and find a way to both stop the boats and not bring the refugees here,while looking for ways to close offshore detention other than for those already here we are deporting Posted by Belly, Friday, 14 December 2018 5:54:43 AM
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I am going to write something some may not like, but look at all the threads started after the 6th of December. You will notice they are going as a forum should be conducted.
There is one factor that differentiates them now to the conduct on threads prior to 6th of December. Simply put no nicknamenick. At times he had some very insightful information but it was the other comments that turned good threads into chaos. Posted by Philip S, Saturday, 15 December 2018 10:59:28 PM
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Totally endorse demise of the troll "Nickname Nick"
Posted by EmperorJulian, Saturday, 15 December 2018 11:58:51 PM
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Not demise just noticed he had not posted for a while, maybe holidays.
Posted by Philip S, Sunday, 16 December 2018 12:25:20 AM
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Philip S you seem to have insight in to our future here
Yes you find nicknamenick a problem, I see a bright mind in him but for reason we may never know [but may hold very different views if we did] he baffles at times RARELY see the insults YOU seem to use daily against just about any one So while a few here are not contributing to open discussion You at least do, maybe we can post without insulting others Posted by Belly, Sunday, 16 December 2018 5:37:25 AM
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//You will notice they are going as a forum should be conducted.//
Oh yes? Let me guess... they way a forum should be conducted is where you're free to troll everyone as much as you like, but when people give you a serve back you throw a tantrum, take your bat and go home. Would that be about right, Philter? Posted by Toni Lavis, Sunday, 16 December 2018 7:20:09 AM
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There is one thing missing from "offshore processing" of wannabe immigrants. What is missing is actual processing. "Processing" that stalls for years and years is a fraud.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Sunday, 16 December 2018 10:19:30 AM
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I find Nick's contributions very unique.
Much preferred to the insulting ones of others. I've been on this forum for a long time and it's been hard to decide if this forum makes ignoramuses out of some people, or if it mirrors those people who really are ignoramuses to begin with. I prefer to think that due to the anonymity of this forum, people get away with saying things they normally wouldn't be game to say in the real world. Here they can vent their spleens and beat their chests all they want. Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 16 December 2018 10:35:52 AM
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Belly If you prefer chaos you are welcome to it.
Quote "RARELY see the insults YOU seem to use daily against just about any one So while a few here are not contributing to open discussion You at least do, maybe we can post without insulting others" If I use it against just about anyone and on a daily basis, please supply 10 instances over the past 5 days against different people. Posted by Philip S, Sunday, 16 December 2018 10:41:04 AM
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Philip S you do not think , like you have done, I want to list complaints about you
My reason is to remind you, yes mate you, that insults are a sign of failure We post, I think, to express our views, too to understand others point of view To LEARN Some, not you, come here to taunt, I would not put NNN in that group Some quite deliberately,post ugly insults, to prop up ugly views NNN may never come back, but if he does is it worth overlooking TWO TRUE TROLLS to get near enough to him to sink the slipper in I am far from right all the time, far from I hope, taunting others here to get my view across Posted by Belly, Sunday, 16 December 2018 11:13:47 AM
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We Philip S have had many posters who do not fit the norm
Even one who proudly told us he was a dumpster diver Sometimes/almost all the time his posts made little sense, he needed this site It seemed to be his link to the world NNN is bright, but do we know enough about him to taunt him Why then not the two trolls, can it be you agree with them so it is ok Ham Radio, yep my hobby, dying but still we breath 25 years ago a voice we could not quite understand came on to our repeater, some told him to leave Turned out he was confined to a wheelchair, and had immense health problems Those of us who got to know him, be his friends had the honor to be his mates in the few years before he died Posted by Belly, Sunday, 16 December 2018 11:22:30 AM
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Belly
Quote "RARELY see the insults YOU seem to use daily against just about any one So while a few here are not contributing to open discussion You at least do, maybe we can post without insulting others" If I use it against just about anyone and on a daily basis, please supply 10 instances over the past 5 days against different people. No instances, good rhetoric no substance. Philip S you do not think , like you have done, I want to list complaints about you My reason is to remind you, yes mate you, that insults are a sign of failure I asked for example because I think you are wrong, what you perceive as one thing I may perceive as another. "My reason is to remind you, yes mate you, that insults are a sign of failure" Again nothing. Posted by Philip S, Sunday, 16 December 2018 11:27:50 AM
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Belly Quote "NNN is bright" You make an understatement there.
If you were to profile the posters here, by use of words in correct context etc he would be the highest educated poster. I had no problem with him until he came onto nearly all my threads and turned them into chaos with the help of the few who tried to imitate him, where even I did not bother going back. This forum is made up of a small number that post comments and a lot more who just read but do not login so are unseen so to speak, to me the chaos over the past 2 months would turn a lot of people off coming here, if you think I am wrong say so. Posted by Philip S, Sunday, 16 December 2018 12:05:24 PM
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Philip S in all truth I can not say you are wrong
But please understand my two trolls have form Even insulting brand new comers who never came back NNN has the ability to post much better stuff, but he is not annoying me I am not perfect, not near it, but trolls who hold weird views and are willing to insult any one, to try selling them? I target, in self defense two trolls But in doing so I too try to defend others from unhinged bitterness Posted by Belly, Sunday, 16 December 2018 1:31:32 PM
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Philip S.,
Here's an IQ breakdwon: An IQ between - 00 - 25 = Idiot 26 - 50 = Imbecile 51 - 70 = Moron What's your IQ? You don't have to read the posts of people who annoy you - you're under no obligation. But if someone like Nick really gets up your nose - I wonder why that is? By your attempts at trying to make a fool out of him, you end up sounding like a moron instead. Stop doing it. Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 16 December 2018 3:03:04 PM
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Foxy the news from the ALP conference thrills me, action at last on housing shortage and climate change,
New control for bosses who do not pay super As predicted, like it or loathe it, voters saw no change to refugees will take place under any government a dead red herring but still will be used against us As side comment my area has had near twenty inches of rain from mid spring till now and it is still raining very hard Posted by Belly, Sunday, 16 December 2018 4:21:59 PM
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Foxy Great retort, did you come up with that yourself or did you get help?
Quote "By your attempts at trying to make a fool out of him" Just goes to show your lack of comprehension, my comment was "look at all the threads started after the 6th of December. You will notice they are going as a forum should be conducted." Pointing out a truth, unless you think things are better now does not mean I am trying to make a fool out of him (except in your eyes). Drawing attention to a disrupting influence is not pointing out a fool. So do you think things are better now or not. You fail in trying to raise yourself to a level higher than you are by this comment "Stop doing it." Quote "You don't have to read the posts of people who annoy you" I don't. I stated. "I had no problem with him until he came onto nearly all my threads and turned them into chaos with the help of the few who tried to imitate him, where even I did not bother going back. This forum is made up of a small number that post comments and a lot more who just read but do not login so are unseen so to speak, to me the chaos over the past 2 months would turn a lot of people off coming here, if you think I am wrong say so." Try reading that bit again and tell me it is not true, simply go back and read for yourself some of my threads. Belly Quote "RARELY see the insults YOU seem to use daily against just about any one So while a few here are not contributing to open discussion You at least do, maybe we can post without insulting others" If I use it against just about anyone and on a daily basis, please supply 5 instances over the past 5 days against different people. A valid request down to 5, not trolling I just want to understand your interpretation of what an insult is? Posted by Philip S, Sunday, 16 December 2018 6:23:47 PM
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Philip S.,
You just can't help yourself. Want to know what an insult is - do you? Try reading you first sentence to me in your previous post. I was going to reply to you point by point - but I'm actually rather busy at the moment with more important things. I shall try to find the time for you somewhere in the future - depending on my mood. Enjoy your evening and talking to kindred spirits. You need people who support and understand you. Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 16 December 2018 6:40:48 PM
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//I had no problem with him until he came onto nearly all my threads//
Interesting choice of language there. Note that they are his threads - on a public discussion forum. Not threads he has started; not threads he has taken an interest in: 'my threads'. Somebody seems to have rather high opinion of himself. //and turned them into chaos// Yeah, I don't recall that ever happening. Nick just posted in his usual avant-garde style and most of us didn't care; but you decided to make a big song and dance about it and single out Nick for special attention for being a 'troll'. The irony is breathtaking. //where even I did not bother going back.// Because you couldn't be assured of your comfortable echoic chamber. //This forum is made up of a small number that post comments and a lot more who just read but do not login so are unseen so to speak// Yep, and they're all reading my posts that you can't because you've decided you'd rather just live in your own bubble and not have to deal with troublesome opinions. And they all think you have no balls. Posted by Toni Lavis, Sunday, 16 December 2018 7:32:25 PM
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//to me the chaos over the past 2 months would turn a lot of people off coming here//
Yeah, but not everyone is you. Sorry, I realise this is a fairly advanced concept for a self-absorbed onanist like yourself. But believe it or not, not everybody shares your views on absolutely everything. And nor should they be expected to. //if you think I am wrong say so.// You're wrong. And NOFX agree: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUZ5gGO0_Pw You're wrong... but you'll probably never know. //Drawing attention to a disrupting influence// A disrupting influence? WTF? This isn't high school, mate. We're all grown up, and quite capable of figuring out who the 'disrupting influences' are around here. I vote for the people so opposed to the notion of free speech that they practice censorship... know anybody like that, Philter? //Try reading that bit again and tell me it is not true// It's a steaming heap of dingo's kidneys, Philter. Nick was the life of the party, and you're just too much of a miserable old bastard to appreciate his whimsy. Posted by Toni Lavis, Sunday, 16 December 2018 7:33:17 PM
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Oh, BTW: I assume you consider this to be one of 'your' threads, since you started it. I note that the title is about Labor and their refugee policy. And I note that we're all taking about you and Nick, even though it is off topic and Nick hasn't been around lately. And I further note that it was you who spiralled this discussion towards Nick.
I reckon you fancy him. Posted by Toni Lavis, Sunday, 16 December 2018 7:41:50 PM
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Just remember, "There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead".
They have form. Posted by Hasbeen, Sunday, 16 December 2018 8:26:30 PM
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Hassy, what will there be under a government you lead. Total chaos?
I like NNN posts. Come back all your fans miss you. Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 16 December 2018 9:02:52 PM
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Foxy Are really that naive,your first comment to me is Quote
"Philip S., Here's an IQ breakdwon: An IQ between - 00 - 25 = Idiot 26 - 50 = Imbecile 51 - 70 = Moron What's your IQ? You don't have to read the posts of people who annoy you - you're under no obligation. But if someone like Nick really gets up your nose - I wonder why that is? By your attempts at trying to make a fool out of him, you end up sounding like a moron instead. Stop doing it." ** What sort of reply did you expect from me after that, so according to Foxy it is okay for Foxy to try to attack someone verbally as you did above and Foxy will expect a civil comment as a reply, you are delusional. ** Then as a further insult you post this pompous reply. I just picture you standing there thinking you are the queen in a pretentious tone of voice delivering your reply. Quote "I was going to reply to you point by point - but I'm actually rather busy at the moment with more important things. I shall try to find the time for you somewhere in the future - depending on my mood." ** Like who do you think you are? When you get off your high horse, you can do whatever you want, I personally do not think much of your attitude here. ** Posted by Philip S, Sunday, 16 December 2018 10:11:46 PM
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Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 16 December 2018 11:55:01 PM
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Philip S.,
You're absolutely right. I should not have written what I wrote to you. I apologise. My only excuse is - and it's a lame one. I've been quite ill all day. Again. My apologies. It shan't happen again. My attitude needs to improve. Posted by Foxy, Monday, 17 December 2018 12:14:28 AM
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In a thread aimed at putting past mistakes of the ALP up as fresh fish, *we know we got it wrong*
We see claims of *my threads*hinting or stating? That *my thread* you are not free to have your opinion? We too grasping our opinions like a child's Teddy bear, continue to find ways to insult others WHY do we need to put verbal hobnailed boots on and trample over others who do not think like us In the end this ex road worker is not surprised the LNP and their supporters refuse to read the signs Many cars drove past the road work ahead at full speed, even a Nun who said after being removed from the wreck, wish I took notice of the signs 44/56 are this mornings poll numbers That sign reads Ostriches do not win elections Posted by Belly, Monday, 17 December 2018 5:39:01 AM
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Belly You are consistently making statements but fail to back them up.
Quote "RARELY see the insults YOU seem to use daily against just about any one So while a few here are not contributing to open discussion You at least do, maybe we can post without insulting others" If I use it against just about anyone and on a daily basis, please supply 5 instances over the past 5 days against different people. Now you fail to answer the one above now you come out with more rubbish. Quote "We see claims of *my threads*hinting or stating? That *my thread* you are not free to have your opinion?" "My thread" knowing how this forum is setup means I started it, that's all, no ambiguity there, except to you. Please back up your part about "you are not free to have your opinion" Here you go again Quote "We too grasping our opinions like a child's Teddy bear, continue to find ways to insult others WHY do we need to put verbal hobnailed boots on and trample over others who do not think like us" Please activate brain before applying fingers to keyboard. Posted by Philip S, Monday, 17 December 2018 1:05:31 PM
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Dear Belly,
Back to the topic. I agree with you about the ostriches. The Liberal Party still has not learned anything from the mess they find themselves in. It's not a good idea to second guess, denigrate, or undermine the opposition. Rather than having a contract with the nation they appear to be seeking a blank check. They're not going to get it. They need to come up with policies of substance on so many issues prior to the next election. Posted by Foxy, Monday, 17 December 2018 1:17:32 PM
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Indeed Foxy, truth is they insult their base no one puts it better than one of their own
In the SMH today lamenting Turnbull took the base with him worth the read Posted by Belly, Monday, 17 December 2018 4:58:41 PM
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//please supply 5 instances over the past 5 days against different people.//
Against 5 different people? So it's OK if you just single out two or three, e.g. Nick, Belly and Foxy for special treatment? //"My thread" knowing how this forum is setup means I started it// Having started it does not confer ownership. They are everybody's threads, and will remain so until OLO stops being a PUBLIC forum. Posted by Toni Lavis, Monday, 17 December 2018 5:40:52 PM
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Bringing people from Nauru, what could go wrong? Just 1 has cost over $329,000 dollars.
Asylum seekers flown to Australia for medical treatment are put up in $300-a-night hotels and serviced apartments costing the taxpayer $1.4billion The government has spent more than a billion dollars on housing asylum seekers who have been flown to Australia for medical treatment and put up in luxury hotels. In the past five years, The Daily Telegraph reports the government has paid $1.4billion to accommodate people being flown over from offshore detention centres on Manus Island and Nauru. Some are held in high-end hotels, such as the Meriton and the Medina, while others stay in guarded townhouses, which cost about $4000 per month. The hotels, which can cost more than $300 a night, have been home to one asylum seeker for nearly three years, but stays can range from one day to 1096. One room at the Meriton Parramatta in Sydney's west reportedly used to home asylum seekers receiving medical treatment and their families contains a flat-screen TV, unlimited Wi-Fi and a full kitchen and laundry. About 1500 individuals and family members who were living on Manus and Nauru have been flown to Australia for medical treatment in the last five years. Luxury accommodation has not been provided to everyone, however. Those believed to pose a risk to the community are held in onshore detention centres. Of those flown to Australia, The Daily Telegraph reports just over a third were not found to be genuine refugees. The revelations come as Labor announced it would back a plan to allow asylum seekers into the country for treatment with the sign-off of two doctors – a softer approach than is currently taken. The party is hoping to end Australia's current policy of detaining asylum seekers who arrive via boat offshore indefinitely, but has not announced an official policy to do so. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6502117/Asylum-seekers-flown-Australia-medical-treatment-hotels-townhouses.html Posted by Philip S, Monday, 17 December 2018 11:47:39 PM
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Just when you thought Labor could not get worse. Not 4,000 but 4,000 extra on top of what they also want to bring.
An extra 4000 refugees will call Australia home every year and $500million will go to the United Nations to help asylum seekers if Labor wins the next federal election. Bill Shorten is also promising an urgent review of Newstart, which the party believes is too low. But the opposition leader will maintain the coalition's hardline boat turn backs policy and refuses to commit to lifting dole payments. 'You can have secure borders and you can live up to our humanitarian obligations. You just require leadership,' Mr Shorten told Labor's national conference in Adelaide on Monday. The two announcements go some way to soothing tensions between Labor's factions over lifting the dole and welcoming refugees. The Community Sponsored Refugee Program will over time be expanded from 1000 to 5000 places annually. The program allows state and local governments, community organisations, businesses, unions and faith-based organisations to sponsor humanitarian entrants into Australia. A Shorten Labor government will also give $500million to the United Nations High Commission for Refugees over five years. Mr Shorten said he would look to take up New Zealand's offer to resettle refugees from Nauru and Manus Island immediately on similar terms with the United States agreement. The Labor leader also promised to release the findings of the Newstart review within 18 months of taking power. 'We believe in the greatness of the Australian safety net,' Mr Shorten said. The party promised to abolish the controversial Community Development Program work-for-the-dole scheme meant to help indigenous people in remote Australia. It will be replaced because Labor says it punishes indigenous job seekers compared to their city-based counterparts. Labor also committed to establishing a voice to parliament designed by indigenous people and enshrined in the constitution. On the first day of the conference on Sunday, Mr Shorten promised to subsidise the building of 250,000 new affordable homes, and a launch crackdown on dodgy bosses who steal superannuation. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6502691/Labor-4-000-refugees-Bill-Shorten-elected-2019.html Posted by Philip S, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 12:10:51 AM
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There we go, labor is at it again Bill Merkel will increase the refugee intake by about 14000, dismantle off shore detention and rely entirely on boat turn backs which they earlier claimed would never work.
What a bunch of venal incompetents. Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 4:35:05 AM
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Shadow, and the real answer is; indefinite offshore detention, which is the (non) policy of the dysfunctional government in control at the moment. The sensationalised nonsense printed in the Murdoch gutter press, 'The Daily Telecrap' should be taken with a grain of salt.
Although not fully agreeing with the Labor policy, I think it is reasonably constructive and acceptable to the Australian electorate. Of course nothing short of a Fortress Australia approach is going to be acceptable to the rabid extreme on this issue like Phil and Shadow. Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 5:15:25 AM
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Paul 1405 yes true, we should not let SM get away with some claims
MALAYSIAN SOLUTION, it would have worked, 6.000 people died at sea AFTER the LNP and Greens rejected that policy Government claims Labor killed them Sugar Daddy holds the spotlight now, not Bill Shortens promises on this issue Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 5:36:55 AM
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Belly Who can't answer questions.
The Malaysian solution you so like was a step towards disaster, have you any concept of economics? We give Malaysia 800 so called refugees in turn we have to take 4,000. Did you fail primary school mathematics that is a ratio of 1 to 5, then the 4,000 would want family reunions later. Only a moron or someone desperate for labor voters would make that deal. I could be wrong but I think your calculation are wrong on you following statement "6.000 people died at sea AFTER the LNP and Greens rejected that policy" You say 6,000 notice the correction, think you will find it is closer to 1,200. Please activate brain before applying fingers to keyboard, so as to not look foolish. Posted by Philip S, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 1:39:20 PM
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Get off your high horse Philip S why is it you need to needle every one
Do you have an issue we should know about Do you come here to get away from a controlling wife YES we would take more refugees, *UNTIL THE BOATS STOPPED COMING* And they would No more massive costs of offshore detention What would cost as much as that has HINT you will never earn my respect while you needlessly insult every day Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 4:15:16 PM
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Dear Belly,
People who behave in that manner usually feel insecure. Best ignored. Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 5:24:21 PM
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Foxy ok and true but in all honesty pulling needlessly rude people up best serves a civil site
All in all the thread gave a chance to see how flimsy its title is Labor has had its bast National conference in a decade We are ready and we know we will be judged by how well we govern Just as the circus we know as government has shown it is unfit to remain in power Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 7:09:32 PM
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Dear Belly,
Sometimes it's not worth the stress to even read posts that you know will upset you. But if you've got a strong stomach - I guess its up to you. I prefer to just walk away. It's the way I was brought up - not to rock the boat. Although, when the right buttons are pushed I do come out swinging at times and then live to regret it. That's life! Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 7:17:13 PM
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Foxy Quote "Sometimes it's not worth the stress to even read
posts that you know will upset you." When someone points out you are wrong and proves it that is upsetting to you, you must have had an extremely sheltered upbringing. Belly Quote "Get off your high horse Philip S why is it you need to needle every one Do you have an issue we should know about Do you come here to get away from a controlling wife" ** Ha Ha what do you have for an encore. You like foxy just can't admit it when you are wrong, I made a comment about the accepting 4,000 refugees for 800 and your comment about 6,000 people died at sea AFTER the LNP and Greens rejected that policy. ** You could not even admit your figure of 6,000 was wrong. ** So it would appear you are the one on the high horse who does not want to admit they made a mistake. Posted by Philip S, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 9:23:57 PM
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Philip S my fault blame me
Sorry thought you could look at the truth with unbiased eyes Promise not to make that mistake again So Foxy put an extra 0 on the number who died after the GREENS joined the LNP in banning the Malaysian solution She should know you look for such things to hurl personal insults/feed your ego, What a great ALP National conference It has been decades sense we had a real live preview of an incoming great government this good 600 dead at sea, who would be alive today By now *knowing they would be sent back straight away*, we would be about five years with no boat arrivals Offshore detention centers would be closed down for even longer IF ONLY THE LNP did not want to stop a successful thing so they could continue to use boat people as a club Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 7:33:27 AM
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Philip S.,
When did you successfully manage to point out to me that I was wrong? Regarding Prince Charles? Regarding NASA and preferring the RACV? And then your continued banging on about scientific evidence denial. Come on. Your grasp of reality leaves a lot to be desired. Plus your consistent insults at people whose views disagree with yours. Your references to me as "the Queen?" Your obstinate pig-headed behaviour and telling people they need to change their attitudes. Goodness me that all points to delusions of adequacy on your part. You deserve to subsequently be ignored - and not taken seriously. Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 9:31:43 AM
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Danish wisdom.
Danish authorities have concluded that the situation in some parts of Somalia is safe, and that Somalis no longer have valid grounds for asylum. Following a review of the situation in Somalia, which began in 2017, residence permits will therefore be withdrawn for no less than 1,000 Somalis. “It is time for them to go home now,” Denmark states. “If you no longer need our protection and your life and your health are no longer at risk in your homeland, you must of course return home and build up your country of origin”, says Minister for Migration Inger Střjberg, according to DR. The minister also points out that each case has been carefully examined and that they always base decisions on facts. Withdrawing or not renewing a residence permit has become possible since Denmark 2015 changed its immigration law. The legislative amendment was actually aimed at Syrians in connection with the asylum wave of the same year, but was also applied to migrants from Somalia. Denmark has an agreement with Somalia that the home country should take back repatriated Somali citizens in exchange for help in building a police force. However, the agreement only applies to 12 persons per year. Somalis are also offered generous sums, €14,000 per adult and €4,200 per child, to return but in 2017 only 42 jumped at the chance, and in 2018 the corresponding figure is 32. Posted by Philip S, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 10:58:40 AM
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Foxy Quote "Your references to me as "the Queen?""
I wonder if it would have any link to your comment to me. Quote "I was going to reply to you point by point - but I'm actually rather busy at the moment with more important things. I shall try to find the time for you somewhere in the future - depending on my mood." Quote "When did you successfully manage to point out to me that I was wrong?" In your blind belief in global warming. When shown something that was stated is wrong they do not even consider maybe or possibly even if only a small doubt would be put into their thinking even as small as say there is a 1%, 2% or even 3% chance that something is wrong we are being told lies. Fact Prince Charles on advice from leading environmentalists Jonathon Porritt and Tony Juniper made a statement that it had been "calculated that we have just 96 months left to save the world" this statement was made July 2009. ** that is from calculations made by the two leading environmentalists ** ** So July 2017 the world was in relatively the same state as July 2009. So that statement was based on faulty science or other errors or a blatant lie ** In any person that should put a small doubt into their thinking on the subject in question. Posted by Philip S, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 11:10:04 AM
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Philip S.,
No longer read your posts. Talk to your kindred spirits on this forum. I'm no longer interested. Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 11:21:35 AM
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G'day Foxy, Belly and Phil
A ho ho ho, and I bring you good tidings of great joy, for the jolly festive season. Fellas my advice, and it has always been my advice, never get upset with anything any other Forumite posts, even if it is a personal affront. I know my dear comrades Belly and Foxy are sensitive to these sorts of things. However unless someone tells you "I know where you live, and I have a loaded AK47, and I'll be around in five minutes to sort you out!", other than that, there's not much to worry about when it comes to this forum or any other and the collection of odd bods who frequent them. Oh! one last word remember the "Armadillo Principle" it works a charm. Phil, your perfect Chrissy present, 40,000 Muslim refo's coming your way to stay... make that 50,000 just to be cosy, gifted wrapped and all. Hope there is room at your house, an extra bed or two. Happy Hanukkah etc, etc and of course etc! Catch you all later. Foxy; done the crazy Santa on Sunday, at the family Xmas gathering at the Reserve, it was such a hoot, kids had a great time, as did the adults, and so did Santa. Next event is 18th birthday for our favourite grand moko (nieces daughter, all considered your grandchildren by custom) on Saturday, she turns 18 Christmas Eve, my fathers birthday as well, he would be 106 if alive today. These things sure date us don't they. P/S Don't know what to get her, something from the jewellers I think. being Mormon, She does not drink alcohol. Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 11:53:28 AM
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Belly Quote "Philip S my fault blame me
Sorry thought you could look at the truth with unbiased eyes" Please enlighten me " What truth " ___________________________ Foxy You asked a question Quote "When did you successfully manage to point out to me that I was wrong?" I replied to you with this. In your blind belief in global warming. When shown something that was stated is wrong they do not even consider maybe or possibly even if only a small doubt would be put into their thinking even as small as say there is a 1%, 2% or even 3% chance that something is wrong we are being told lies. Fact Prince Charles on advice from leading environmentalists Jonathon Porritt and Tony Juniper made a statement that it had been "calculated that we have just 96 months left to save the world" this statement was made July 2009. ** that is from calculations made by the two leading environmentalists ** ** So July 2017 the world was in relatively the same state as July 2009. So that statement was based on faulty science or other errors or a blatant lie ** In any person that should put a small doubt into their thinking on the subject in question. Rather than answer you come back with this. Quote "Philip S., No longer read your posts. Talk to your kindred spirits on this forum. I'm no longer interested." WHY did you ask the question to only come back with that childish response? ___________________________ Paul1405 I don't want to seem ungrateful but I would prefer a fully functional renewable energy source. Was Belly a bad boy you did not give him anything? Posted by Philip S, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 12:28:25 PM
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Dear Paul,
Thanks for your advice. I bet your Santa was brilliant! Kids love this kind of thing - they get so excited. I still remember my Storytime Sessions that were jam-packed and I'd lead the kids in dancing, singing, stories, and craft - great fun. For me too. If you're undecided about what to give your niece, give her a gift voucher to either her favourite store - or the movies. I'm sure you'd do well. Wishing you and yours All the Joys of the Christmas Season, and much Love, Happiness, Good Health, and Laughter for the New Year 2019. Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 12:43:45 PM
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Apropos of Philip S's mention of Prince Charles, a program about Charles on Monday showed him up to be nuttier than ever, with his boozer's complexion even more pronounced.
The idiot is the Australian republicans' best advertisement for change. Although I am anti-republic, I have to admit that a King Charles would be a repeat of the mad King George III. A horrible shock after his gracious and dignified mother. Pommy columnist, Rod Liddle, recently announced his wish for the Royal Family: “The Queen to …. announce her retirement in five years time and her successor (to be) Princess. Anne”. He also wished for the younger royals to stop “whining and emoting” and “hugging commoners”, while developing some “bloody dignity”. Something their silly old Dad doesn't have, as he waffles about climate change and does the occasional dress up as a Muslim. I'm sick of the non-stop ‘strong women’ earbashings, but royalty is something the Windsor women do better than Windsor men. Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 1:42:56 PM
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Oops, wrong thread. King ttbn wouldn't work either.
On the actual topic, I note that Labor hasn't changed the refo policy very much at all, but most of the MSM have failed to mention that they will (it's a monte that they will be in government next year) double the 'refugee' quota. Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 1:52:22 PM
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ttbn,
Prince Charles's rosy complexion stems not from alcohol, but from a skin condition that he suffers called Rosacea. A very common skin condition for many people. Look it up. Plus, he's been an advocate of organic farming and sustainability - for decades. Not everyone would consider that "nutty." Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 1:56:29 PM
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Paul just reread your out standing advice re letting the deliberate two trolls get under my skin
Hurts knowing responding makes me as bad as them Yes muscle up ignore them, the best way to go But may I? *ask this, what if we all returned serve in their manner*? WOULD THE SITE SUFFER will try yet again but never a day goes past that I do not ask myself why not be every bit as unfocused and rude. Merry Christmas to all get ready for a great ALP government and the end to the Trump era good reason to be pleased Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 2:34:06 PM
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Can't agree with you Foxy, I think Charles is as nutty as a fruit cake, but so what.
I have always had a soft spot for fruit cakes, & he is a very pleasant nut. I think he will make a great king. Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 3:45:23 PM
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Foxy,
Look up what? The condition ‘Rosacea’, which I'm fully cognisant of, or whether or not Charles has it? All the royals, including the Queen, have a taste for the sauce, except Prince Andrew, who is a teetotaller. I am well aware that not everyone thinks Charles is a nutcase. I hope you will forgive me for being one of those who does. Does an old misogynist like me get any credit for preferring a Queen Anne to a King Charles, even though it is not possible Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 4:33:17 PM
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ttbn,
Here's what you said: "...a program about Charles on Monday showed him up to be nuttier than ever, with his boozer's complexion even more pronounced..." I merely pointed out that the Prince's ruddy complexion was due to Rosacea, a ruddy complexion that can mistakenly be attributed to a problem with alcohol. Prince Charles does not have a problem with alcohol. He does have a skin condition. Your statement about "his boozer's complexion being even more pronounced" was due to Rosacea, not alcohol. Also I disagreed with your take on the program showing Prince Charles up as a "nutter." I found that someone who believed in sustainability and organic farming, and was concerned about the environment - many people would not regard as a "nutter." If you want your opinion to be respected - then you have to respect those of others. You think Princess Anne will make a better sovereign - I don't have a problem with that in the slightest. And you should not have a problem with my opinion on Prince Charles. After all, like you, we are all entitled to our opinions. I'm sure that you'll agree. BTW: Princess Diana also suffered from Rosacea, as does Prince Harry. Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 9:01:20 PM
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Ah! Foxy, you and the wife think alike, a gift voucher, although like money it seems a little impersonal, but I'll go along with that, happy wife, happy life, so they say. We went shopping this avo' I seen this great big Teddy Bear, my pick, but "T' was rather cold on it, (seems 18 year old girls don't need teddy bears) it would look fantastic on her bed, I said. I'll go to the PO tomorrow and pick up a 'Visa' gift card.
I drew one of the daughter-in-laws in the '$20 Secret Santa', easy one, she like Chardy, so a cheap bottle of plonk from Dan Murphy's seem in order. After 2 or 3 bottles it all tastes the same anyway. p/s On the teddy bear, "T" said "You are such a big kid at times Paul." I said "Yeah! you think so...I'm getting a train set for Xmas... Santa promised!...what do YOU think of that?" She said "Yep, a big kid alright, lets have a coffee." Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 11:11:19 PM
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Foxy,
You sure use a lot of words to say things - pretty much the same thing about everything. In this instance, you even needed to repeat what I said, before you repeated what you said. You did add something new: you believe that some members of the royal family suffer from the same skin problem. (although Diana was not a member of the family) You don't say how you know this. Added to the alcoholism, they have a problem then. It's probably due to the inbreeding. They all look the same. Prince Ginger (wonder why he is the only one with red hair) has introduced a bit of multiculturalism and mixed race to the family, so we are now regaled by American emotionalism, with the father of a mixed-race 'duchess’ pleading to the Queen, no less, to heal things between him and his very non-royal daughter. Gross! It will be interesting to see if the 'it won't last’ prediction of Germaine Greer proves to be true. Given Edward VIII's performance, and Charles's philandering, divorce, and marriage to a divorcee, Greer is probably right. The less and less royal family is doing what the Anglican Church and Western civilization is doing: undermining itself from within; committing suicide. They are setting themselves up for replacement by a republic - not just in Australia, but in their own country. In the meantime, I'm looking forward to the second series of 'The Crown’, which will continue to make clear that the only good'n is Her Majesty who, sadly, is irreplaceable. Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 20 December 2018 8:37:40 AM
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ttbn,
1) I repeated what you said because you did not understand my earlier response to you, and my reasons for it. Therefore you needed reminding. 2) No - it's not what I believe about the Prince's condition of Rosacea and that of his family members. It's what the facts happen to be. And there is plenty on the web regarding this. http://varicoseveins.org/blog/2015/07/royal-family-of-facial-redness/ It's common knowledge. 3) Princess Diana was a member of the Royal family. She was Prince Charles's wife and the mother of his two sons. Which explains why one of them also suffers from Rosacea. 4) You admiration for the Queen is admirable. Thank You for sharing that with us. Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 20 December 2018 10:05:50 AM
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Foxy Quote "I repeated what you said because you did not understand my earlier response to you, and my reasons for it. Therefore you needed reminding."
Taking that as a precedent I would like to remind you. If it is okay for you to remind people then so can I. Foxy You asked a question Quote "When did you successfully manage to point out to me that I was wrong?" I replied to you with this. In your blind belief in global warming. When shown something that was stated is wrong they do not even consider maybe or possibly even if only a small doubt would be put into their thinking even as small as say there is a 1%, 2% or even 3% chance that something is wrong we are being told lies. Fact Prince Charles on advice from leading environmentalists Jonathon Porritt and Tony Juniper made a statement that it had been "calculated that we have just 96 months left to save the world" this statement was made July 2009. ** that is from calculations made by the two leading environmentalists ** ** So July 2017 the world was in relatively the same state as July 2009. So that statement was based on faulty science or other errors or a blatant lie ** In any person that should put a small doubt into their thinking on the subject in question. Come back foxy all is forgiven. Unless you are going to supply links to polls that you have not even read the questions too or how the poll was conducted. A poll of 1,000 people does in no way represent the opinion of 150 million or so people. Just as two questions to people that in no way differentiates between man made and natural causes of global warming have any standing. Posted by Philip S, Thursday, 20 December 2018 11:23:55 AM
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Philip S.,
Thank You for being so concerned with what I said or for that matter think. I am very flattered that you care so much. However, I am no longer interested in arguing the issue and I certainly don't want to appear so dogmatic and pig-headed. As another poster pointed out this is after all just an opinion forum and surely there should be room for all of us on it. Wishing you and yours All the Joys of the Christmas Season and I hope that your Christmas is Wonderful. Enjoy Every Moment. All the Best for 2019! Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 20 December 2018 12:15:45 PM
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Foxy It appears you are an expert at the Claytons answer.
Which is the answer one gives when they do not have an answer. It is really very simple, a yes or no will do. Do you honestly think a poll of 1,000 people could really represent the opinions of 150 Million people, that is 1 person representing 150,000 people? Posted by Philip S, Thursday, 20 December 2018 4:13:47 PM
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Philip S.,
I can see that you still insist on arguing. OK. I'll play. Whether a sample is representative has very little to do with its size. A representative sample of one or two or three thousand Americans can be used to predict the outcome of a presidential election to within a few percentage points of the actual result as we have seen from Gallup polls, and an unrepresentative sample of several million can be hopelessly off target. Representativeness can be ensured by using a random sample - one chosen in such a way that every member of the population in question has the same chance of being selected. Anyway, the following link explains further: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/howcan-a-poll-for-only-100/ Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 20 December 2018 6:09:08 PM
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cont'd ...
My apologies for the typo. Here's the link again: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/howcan-a-poll-of-only-100/ Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 20 December 2018 6:13:41 PM
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cont'd...
Philip S., I forgot to add that it is possible to survey an entire population, but time and expense make the procedure impractical unless the population is a small one. In most cases it is necessary to survey a sample, a small number of individuals, drawn from a larger population. This sample must of course accurately represent the population in question. If it doesn't , then any conclusions are valid only for the respondents - the actual subjects of a survey - and cannot be applied to the entire population from which the sample was drawn. Therefore it should be stressed that the subjects need to be representative of the population concerned. The Gallup poll is very successful and has become a regular feature of the American scene. Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 20 December 2018 6:23:12 PM
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Some truths, Labor is clearly going to win the election.
My roll in the campaign, both state and federal is set in stone What benefit would I get from lying Labor *knows* it got boat arrivals wrong. It too knows the *must* not do it again *ever* They/we know offshore detention has become cruel But know they will never be elected if they muck this up, ever Yes Shorten WILL try to find homes for current detainees, not here Bill, once PM will be much liked, even by some here warning against him He knows his job And he knows he must gain the trust of those who are afraid of him Fact Conservative Liberals are driving their party over the cliff Labor has it in the bag Post Script Yes offshore detention is cruel yes our country,s good name is blotted by it, but the most important people in the world Liberal and Labor are the reason no change will come, they are the Australian voters Posted by Belly, Friday, 21 December 2018 4:17:07 PM
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Quote "Some truths, Labor is clearly going to win the election."
Same was said about Hillary Clinton. I rest my case. Posted by Philip S, Friday, 21 December 2018 7:18:10 PM
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Foxy You are delusional if 1 person can represent the opinions of 150,000.
Quote "The Gallup poll is very successful and has become a regular feature of the American scene." You get the same answer as Belly Hillary Clinton. Case closed. Posted by Philip S, Saturday, 22 December 2018 1:57:11 AM
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Philip S first the very thing you roll up in a mud covered ball and hurl at Foxy is showing a Labor victory
Polls, it is the defense of those not wanting to hear the truth to claim they are not worth the effort Only a quick return to small L Liberal policy can save the train wreck ahead for Conservatives hold me to it next year Posted by Belly, Saturday, 22 December 2018 4:49:07 AM
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Hi Phil, Foxy and Belly, a rigged election by Papa Doc's cousin, and his Russian buddy, in some tin pot American republic located somewhere between the Canadian and Mexican borders, is no indicator of what will come to pass in Aussie in 2019.
Due to the Coalitions total incompetence, which begun with The Mad Monk in 2013, and was continued by Money Bags Malcolm, ably assisted by such notables as Barnyard Joy and Dud Dutton, now culminating in the crazed antics of Scum O', and some other lesser luminaries should ensure Electricity Bill scores the gig in Canberra next round, that's come erection time. That is not to say the incumbent lunatics in the asylum do not also have a Russian fairy godfather named Vlad, who can swing things their way through his Facebook and Twitter accounts. Phil, all I can say to you is, good luck, and obviously you believe in Santa Clause! Although stranger things have happened, Rimfire at 100/1, won the Cup in 48', due to a rigged photo finish camera (could Vlad have been at work even then), so strange things do happen! Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 22 December 2018 5:47:13 AM
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Dear Paul, and Everyone,
To You and Yours wishing you all the Joys of the Christmas Season and a Peaceful, Healthy, Happy and Prosperous New Year 2019! All The Best to Everyone! Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 22 December 2018 9:52:15 AM
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Belly You live in a bubble and just fail to see, in this case understand the bigger picture.
In your bubble Labor will win, in the real world there are some months till the next election, all we need is one major blunder by Shorten and Co or a few minor scandals for the labor train to be derailed. Nothing is over, till it is over. Posted by Philip S, Saturday, 22 December 2018 11:16:21 AM
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Thank you Foxy, and the same to you and your family. Let peace and happiness be with you in the year ahead.
Just got the "shock" news, the 3 holy terrors, not being the 3 wise men are heading our way from the west (Toowoomba) this afternoon, I thought they were due Xmas Eve, seems not. The 3 holy terrors are the 3 boys, the offspring of our oldest son. They are coming for grand nieces 18th tonight, all are invited to the party. Staying until Boxing Day, they bring joy to the world, I think not. At least an angle is with them, their 13 year old sister, who is indeed an angle in our eyes. Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 22 December 2018 11:37:18 AM
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Paul,
Aren't rellies great? I used to feel the same way about my brothers every time they visited. They were so much work. Hopefully, this year we'll have a nice quiet relaxing one. Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 22 December 2018 3:29:55 PM
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Philip S hope this is you best ever Christmas,honestly
We differ but in truth tha is no reason to not get along Now cut and paste, feed it back to me in the form of humble pie every time I am wrong 2019 landslide win to Labor in the Federal election Trumps end, downfall not impeachment but criminal acts and ties to Putin NSW election too close to call, just a week ago I said Labor had it in the bag, still think they will win but going to be close Posted by Belly, Saturday, 22 December 2018 4:36:41 PM
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Philip S.,
Case closed? You still don't get it. In terms of forecasting by polling, "being right" means two different things depending on whether you were estimating the popular vote or the electoral. In the case of Gallup - they estimated the popular vote and they got that right. Hilary Clinton won the popular vote. Donald Trump won the Electoral College. These polls actually got the big picture right with Clinton winning more popular votes than Donald Trump. Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 22 December 2018 5:24:37 PM
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Belly Quote "Trumps end, downfall not impeachment but criminal acts and ties to Putin"
I have said many times the truth usually comes out in the end. This will burst your Trump bubble, please read and have humble pie for Christmas dinner. Trump-Russia dossier was created so Clinton could challenge 2016 election results – Steele. The British ex-spy who authored the infamous dossier alleging collusion between Donald Trump and the Kremlin said one of his goals was to give Hillary Clinton legal basis to challenge the 2016 election results. Christopher Steele’s salacious 17-page report was commissioned by Fusion GPS, a firm connected to Clinton’s campaign. “Based on that advice, parties such as the Democratic National Committee and HFACC Inc. (also known as ‘Hillary for America’) could consider steps they would be legally entitled to take to challenge the validity of the outcome of that election,” Steele wrote in recently unsealed declaration that was published by the Washington Times. The court challenge never came. Instead, the unsubstantiated dossier was leaked to news outlets such as BuzzFeed, fuelling Russiagate hysteria and serving as the backbone of a two-year probe that has yet to corroborate any of the document’s core claims. The document was also used by the FBI to obtain a warrant to spy on former Trump aide Carter Page, who was accused by Steele of meeting secretly with Kremlin insiders in Moscow. Incredibly, former FBI Director James Comey admitted that his agency had not verified the dossier’s contents before using it to justify the warrant.His statement is part of a series of answers which Steele provided in a defamation suit brought by three Russians who head Alfa Bank, who were named in the dossier as part of the alleged collusion conspiracy between Trump and the Kremlin. The dossier itself has apparently fallen out of favor with many of its early champions: One of the first journalists to report on Steele’s research has stated that many of Steele’s central claims have yet to be substantiated and are “likely false.” Con't Posted by Philip S, Saturday, 22 December 2018 7:32:29 PM
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Con't
The allegation has yet to be proven, with some reports suggesting that the flagged data actually originated from an internet spam farm based outside Philadelphia.The defamation case against Steele was dismissed by a DC Superior Court judge, but lawyers representing the Russian bankers have launched an appeal in US District court, attaching Steele’s revelatory statements as part of their filing. Steele claimed that internet traffic data had been observed between Alfa Bank and a computer served linked to the Trump Organization. Steele faces similar legal trouble in London, where he is being sued for defamation by Russian entrepreneur Aleksej Gubarev. In one of his memos, Steele accused Gubarev of personally hacking DNC computers. Gubarev has also sued BuzzFeed for publishing the unverified claim as part of its uncritical coverage of the dossier. link actual court document http://twt-media.washtimes.com/media/misc/2018/12/13/Steele_August_filing.pdf Posted by Philip S, Saturday, 22 December 2018 7:33:16 PM
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For anyone interested - here's the link to the full
picture of Trump and Russia: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42493918 There's also a book by Bob Woodward that paints a very good picture of the American President: "Fear: Trump in the White House." Worth a read especially for anyone still defending this man. Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 22 December 2018 10:13:07 PM
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I'd be more worried about getting mugged by a local than by someone who doesn't know this country well and has been here only for a short time.
Posted by esperence, Sunday, 23 December 2018 12:38:34 AM
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Philip S enjoyed but in no way change my mind
Trump daily near hourly shoots himself in the foot He much more than Clinton, used lies fear loathing open racism to win power And they are coming home to roast him Please remember to hold my predictions against me, next year if I got it wrong Posted by Belly, Sunday, 23 December 2018 5:52:16 AM
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esperence Quote "I'd be more worried about getting mugged by a local than by someone who doesn't know this country well and has been here only for a short time."
Obviously you don't live in Victoria, or possible Queensland as the Africans appear to be copying the Victorian model up there. Posted by Philip S, Sunday, 23 December 2018 8:45:17 AM
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Philip S the numbers are not hight that is of persons of African descent committing crimes
BUT their crimes are taking place and the number of crimes they are involved in are higher too high Yes true and maybe rather than blaming their back ground we should ask courts to play their roll in ending it But even given all that I walked without fear every day in a place they settled in number while working Posted by Belly, Sunday, 23 December 2018 9:53:08 AM
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I live in Victoria and the scare tactics of
supposedly - Sudanese attacks were used by Mathew Guy to win the Victorian election. It didn't work The Liberals lost. And doing more of the same federally will produce the same results. Voters are sick of these outmoded fear-mongering techniques. Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 23 December 2018 11:22:54 AM
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Belly When you lock up or deport enough of the cowards, crimes committed by them numerically is bound to go down.
Posted by Philip S, Sunday, 23 December 2018 5:09:36 PM
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Dear Belly,
Here's a link that may be of interest: http://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/the-truth-about-crime-and-ethnicity-20180427-p4zc5j.html Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 23 December 2018 9:37:31 PM
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Foxy You and your links.
Quote "There’s no link between ‘‘repeat offenders’’ and ethnicity;" Funny thing about that statement is nearly every time one is caught over the age of 18 it is also reported he is already on bail for other offenses. Quote "There are about 150 young Africans involved in crimes" Then why do police and media report groups of 200 some times? Quote "Victoria’s overall crime rate fell by 9.9 per cent last year." I have already on other threads shown reports of police manipulating figures, go find them, also like the unemployment figure only a fool would believe them 100%. Quote "the perpetrators, most of whom are known to the police, deserve and receive the measured force of our already robust laws and criminal justice system." Frequently the police have held back and done nothing when there are large numbers involved, no offense committed low statistics. Assessment your link is not worth the paper the age would have printed it on. Thursday, 20 December 2018 15:59 A 17-year-old North Melbourne boy was arrested and charged with violent disorder, affray, five counts of assault, robbery and commit indictable offence whilst on bail. ** that is from the st kilda 20 on to 3 HERO'S Wednesday, 19 December 2018 05:38 Maribyrnong Crime Investigation Unit detectives are hoping to identify a male following a robbery in Footscray last month. ** From the photo AFRICAN ** Saturday, Dec 15th 2018 "A violent gang of African youths have robbed and bashed four teenagers after more than 200 unwelcome revellers gatecrashed an Airbnb party. Police swooped on the short-stay rental home in Point Cook, in Melbourne's west, on Friday night when the party descended into chaos at about 10pm. When the mob was dispersed 'without incident', knife-welding thugs started robbing partygoers of their mobile phones and shoes, police said." Too many to continue, you hear about them nearly every 2nd day. Posted by Philip S, Monday, 24 December 2018 12:13:10 AM
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Foxy thank you, I have put a lot of study in to this subject I know, for what ever reason, SOME youths are out of control
And too that has always been a problem, for WASP too Even be leave the courts are to blame But too a willingness to be a full on racist seems to live just under the skin of many Clearly those southern Americans who lynched thousands if AFRICAN Americans, are not alone The increasing need to hate any one who is different has got out of hand The Victorian election clearly showed that state while concerned did not buy the racist rants Posted by Belly, Monday, 24 December 2018 5:44:58 AM
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I am reminded of the Lamming Flat riot, just one of many racist acts from my side of the fence working miners
Chinese murdered for being better at extracting gold/different Some times both those being persecuted and the perpetrators are racists Leader,s like Donald Trump are pure evil and thrive on producing race as a reason to hate This world needs to take a good look at its self *Here my words will upset many, but it is often the case that SOME like these youths are in fact just as racist if not more than those who oppose them* Posted by Belly, Monday, 24 December 2018 5:52:44 AM
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Philip S.,
I stopped reading your post after the first sentence. Posted by Foxy, Monday, 24 December 2018 9:37:32 AM
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Dear Belly,
There's enough hatred in the world. There's no need for anyone of us to add to it. Yes, bad people do exist, but I prefer to concentrate on the amazing souls that set such a good example for us all. I meet them everyday at the nursing-home where I volunteer part time. Enjoy your Christmas. Enjoy every moment! Posted by Foxy, Monday, 24 December 2018 9:51:08 AM
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Foxy Quote "I stopped reading your post after the first sentence."
What came first was the ostrich by burying her head in the sand to avoid learning about the truth. Forget the chicken it just ran away. Posted by Philip S, Monday, 24 December 2018 1:06:49 PM
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Belly "SOME like these youths are in fact just as racist if not more than those who oppose them*"
It what universe can people who oppose and speak out against gangs of violent, cowardly people who attack individuals, always many onto one, can be called racist. Grow up and use the word correctly, you make the far left look good. Posted by Philip S, Monday, 24 December 2018 1:14:19 PM
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PS you mate are past a joke, far left is my enemy and always will be
Far right same story Yes some of these youths are racist and not because of what has taken place here or in the home land they came from' See to them we are different, the very same reason some of us are racist It is easy to be what I am a centrist, with the once Liberal Libs now right of reality With words like progressive and yes Liberal now swear words With Donald Trump leading the right, I am proud to be centrist 2019 the year Trump falls Posted by Belly, Monday, 24 December 2018 2:34:51 PM
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Foxy - You posted a link to the age re crime dated 28 April 2018 it stated "Victoria’s overall crime rate fell by 9.9 per cent last year."
ALSO "There are about 150 young Africans involved in crimes " BUT it seems part of it is contradicted by the Crime Statistics Agency The Crime Statistics Agency last week released data from October 1, 2017, to September 30, 2018, which showed a sharp rise in violent crime even as overall crime fell. ** crimes fell but not the important ones that concern people ** In two years, reported sexual offences increased 6.7 per cent from 8,010 to 8,544. In the same time period, reports of stalking, harassment and threatening behaviour increased by 6.4 per cent to 7,175. African gang crime is also on the rise with more than 200 Sudanese people charged during the past year. ** Gee someone found 50 more ** You and your links often don't stand the test of time and scrutiny. Posted by Philip S, Tuesday, 25 December 2018 12:24:40 PM
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According to the Crime Statistics Agency there were just
over 80,000 offenders in 2017 - 18 and the majority - 59,000 were born in Australia. That means that about three quarters of all offenders were born in Australia compared to one percent born in Sudan. Kindly don't bother addressing any more posts to me. I am not interested in engaging with you. It's getting tedious to have to consistently explain things to you. Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 25 December 2018 1:04:08 PM
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"Per capita" numbers are usually more important than "raw" ones re Sudanese issue. There are also other considerations.
Posted by Canem Malum, Tuesday, 25 December 2018 2:20:18 PM
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Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 25 December 2018 4:35:33 PM
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Foxy "It's getting tedious to have to consistently explain things to you."
** Only thing you have to explain are your dodge links on accasions. ** Hey Foxy by the way no one is saying there are more crimes committed by Africans than by any other race, what statistics and reality shows the number of crimes committed by Africans is proportionally higher due to the small number from African and they nearly always involve violence. You can't go more than 4 days in Victoria without news of violence by gangs of Africans hitting the media. Just out of interest since you like links give me a link to violent gangs of Australians, many onto 1 or 2 people. For every one link you could give me I will supply you with 5 by Africans. Time to put up or keep quiet. Posted by Philip S, Tuesday, 25 December 2018 5:14:32 PM
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Philip S.,
If you're so interested in the subject of crime in Victoria and seem dissatisfied with the links being provided you can always do your own searches by clicking onto the Crime Statistics Agency website or the Victorian Crime Rates by postcode website, or the Victorian Police Crime Statistics, or Crime by Location, et cetera, et cetera. To me it seems that you've got too much time on your hands and are simply looking for an argument. As I've told you numerous times. I'm not interested. Find someone who is. Cheers. Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 25 December 2018 6:27:47 PM
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Foxy - Again the Claytons answer, the answer you give when you have no answers.
Your are progressing to Master Level. Posted by Philip S, Tuesday, 25 December 2018 6:39:13 PM
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Hi Phil,
Given the socio-economic circumstances and disproportionate age grouping of Sudanese in Melbourne it is not surprising that they are over represented in crime statistics, particularly offences involving robbery and violence, no one can argue that. Is there organised African gangs in Melbourne, that evidence is hard to find. A gang can be no more than what is organised by text messages on mobile phones. Some politicians will play the law and order card at election time, putting the wind up the electorate to score votes, politicians often overstate the seriousness of the situation. My question to you is, is this the situation in Melbourne? Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 25 December 2018 7:14:50 PM
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Paul1405 I doubt it they are fully organized like the Mafia etc.
But they are organized enough to it seems always be in numerically far greater numbers than the victims on each occasion. Circumstances they mostly came from nothing to getting everything for nothing, they have too much time and their parents are also to blame. GEE another one for Foxy. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6529223/Vietnamese-community-rallies-fight-against-Sudanese-gangs-terrorising-shops.html 'Enough is enough, we've got to make a stand': Vietnamese community rallies together to fight back against Sudanese gangs terrorising their strip of shops Vietnamese people in West Melbourne have called on neighbours to fight back The call was put out to younger generations after elders were filmed being hit Men of African appearance have allegedly been terrorising St Albans restaurant Victoria Police are investigating a brawl that left residents terrified on Monday Young Vietnamese people are vowing to take action after video of their elders being attacked by thugs went viral. The shocking footage shows people, believed to be shopkeepers, defending themselves with chairs against a group of men of African appearance. Screaming, shouting and smashing can be heard as the group of Vietnamese people try to push back against the group, who allegedly attacked them after asking for a cigarette and being rejected. The clip left many young Vietnamese people in the area furious, and they have vowed to band together and fight back. ** Like usual police response ** A spokeswoman for Victoria Police told Daily Mail Australia there was an ongoing investigation into the fight, but no charges had been laid yet. Posted by Philip S, Wednesday, 26 December 2018 12:33:00 PM
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Phil, it is of concern that your links seem often to be to the Daily Mail UK, a well known British tabloid. Is there any local reports that might be of more substance than what is reported in some trashy pommy paper.
That is no to say that there is not some truth in what you claim. Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 26 December 2018 5:33:52 PM
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Paul1405 - Nice try but a big fail.
If you bothered to go to the link with an open mind rather than in TROLL mode up the top you would have seen this. Mail Online Home News U.S. - Sport - TV&Showbiz - Australia - Femail - Health Science - Money - Video - Travel - DailyMailTV ** GEE notice they have an Australian category. Quote "Is there any local reports that might be of more substance than what is reported in some trashy pommy paper." So all news by any overseas media outlet can't be trusted, unless it is also reported by an Australian MSM outlet. Such thinking does not deserve a full reply. Just out of interest how do you explain the video? Posted by Philip S, Wednesday, 26 December 2018 6:20:48 PM
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Phil, The Daily Mail has been widely criticised for its unreliability, as well as printing of sensationalist and inaccurate scare stories. it is viewed by many as a mediocre publication at best, appealing to a mass readership by being rather liberal with the truth at times. And again I stress that is not to say there is not some substance to your claims. Any illegal violent behaviour by any individual or group, and how the authorities deal with that behaviour should always be of concern to the community. Possibly some politicians, assisted by certain commentators and publications, are contributing to the problems when we would be better served if they offered positive solutions to what is a difficult situation. Do you agree? Do you have a solution of your own in mind?
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 26 December 2018 7:47:11 PM
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The ABC should be defunded.
Posted by Canem Malum, Thursday, 27 December 2018 8:51:09 PM
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CM ABC is Australia
In some areas still the only way farmers stay in touch A symptom of the very right seems to be silencing any view they do not like Less charitable will ask is it Fox OR Government driving the anti ABC crowd More importantly polls stand tall, and in my view ask this question Is the Trump like very right aware the plan is not working Can you blokes continue to forever insult even your own voters with views few will ever share Posted by Belly, Friday, 28 December 2018 5:53:59 AM
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The ABC should be defunded. CM The Spell Nazi might be chasing you for the invention of the word "defunded".
Well Belly these guys would much rather watch the likes of 'Beat Up' Bolt on Murdoch channel than be subjected to quality reporting by the ABC. Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 28 December 2018 7:57:23 AM
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Paul the sky news propaganda channel feeds a few
Its numbers, of watchers is not near the ABC s In time to come, this year, we will see the LNP questioning its right faction Post Trump, likely to be this year America too will question its tea party right, and the Trump even further right What however will the supporters of the straw house far right think of supporting the very thing that sank their party,s Posted by Belly, Friday, 28 December 2018 8:16:11 AM
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The ABC should be defunded?
Not going to happen while intelligent, thinking people still exist in our communities. What we need more of is good media in this country. Good media is good for democracy. A wider and diverse media, less of a monopoly, by one ownership - less narrow-mindedness, less ownership and control by the same foreign interest - such as the American Murdoch Press - News Corp. The ABC is ours. It should remain ours. Posted by Foxy, Friday, 28 December 2018 10:33:53 AM
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Dear Paul,
You're spot on with "The Daily Mail." It has been widely criticised for its unreliability as well as printing of sensationalist and inaccurate scare stories, and copyright violations. Anything it prints should be questioned. Posted by Foxy, Friday, 28 December 2018 10:36:40 AM
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Yes Foxy and Paul long ago took the mail out of my search favorites
Not as bent as Sky, but no use to readers wanting the truth Posted by Belly, Friday, 28 December 2018 11:41:54 AM
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Foxy Belly You both lack the ability to pick out truth from fiction, the Mail has lots of rubbish BUT will touch stories others won't because of who owns them etc. Try evaluating a story to ascertain if it is true or rubbish.
Foxy just for you. Youths have glassed a young man, bashed others and robbed beachgoers of their belongings during a horror night on a Melbourne beach last night, which coincided with police being pelted with rocks in the western suburbs. A series of incidents throughout the night at Chelsea Beach, in Melbourne’s southeast, culminated in what witnesses said was a series of crimes committed by a group of teenagers of African appearance. This saw unattended belongings stolen from the beach at about 9.30pm. A man reportedly saw them and confronted them, before being assaulted. According to 3AW, the youths then fled. Three men, aged 25, 28 and 30, were later approached, assaulted and the attackers stole a mobile phone. A 19-year-old man reportedly had a glass bottle smashed over his head, and was taken to hospital with non-life-threatening injuries. Victoria Police are holding a press conference about the matter this morning. This comes after six youths were arrested over an unrelated brawl and a separate robbery in St Albans, in the northwestern suburbs, that took place on Christmas Eve. Those arrests followed Facebook posts urging vigilante groups be formed by members of the Vietnamese community to battle what was claimed to be increasing violence by youths of African appearance. The arrests were made after police were called to the Sunshine train station where they found a large group of youths at 10.30pm last night. “While police were arresting the teens others from the large gathering started throwing rocks at police, injuring one officer from the Public Order Response Team,” a police spokeswoman said. Two of the arrested males were believed to have been involved in the December 24 brawl, while four were allegedly involved in a robbery in St Albans on December 19. Paul1405 If you don't find this on MSM is it fake news? Posted by Philip S, Friday, 28 December 2018 12:17:39 PM
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I remember there was an OLO thread a while back that confirmed (from the lefties own information) that the ABC and the commercial stations both had 70% left leaning employees- however the proportion of Greens Voters (Green Trotsky's) within the ABC was much higher than the commercial stations. Therefore removing the ABC from the media landscape could have the effect of a less biased media.
Posted by Canem Malum, Friday, 28 December 2018 12:18:58 PM
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Detectives investigate incidents at Chelsea beach
Friday, 28 December 2018 12:41 Kingston Crime Investigation Unit detectives are appealing for public assistance to identify a number of youths following assaults and robberies at Chelsea beach last night. It is believed a group of youths were involved in three separate incidents on the beach at Swansea Road between 9.30pm and 10pm. Investigators have been told a number of swimmers were in the water when the group approached their unattended belongings on the beach. A male swimmer confronted the group and was assaulted before they fled taking mobile phones and purses. A short time later the group approached three men and assaulted a 28-year-old man and stole his mobile phone. The other two men, aged 25 and 30-years-old, were also assaulted. The final incident occurred when the group approached a 19-year-old man sitting on the beach. He was struck in the head with a glass bottle and assaulted with a plastic cricket bat and taken to hospital with non-life threatening injuries. The offenders were perceived to be African in appearance, aged in their late teens or early 20’s. No arrests have been made at this stage. Investigators are keen to speak to any witnesses or anyone who may have footage of the incidents. http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/news/detectives-investigate-incidents-at-chelsea-beach Posted by Philip S, Friday, 28 December 2018 12:28:52 PM
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Paul1405 - According to you it was probably false because no other media reported the incident on Monday, also Belly and Foxy. How is your humble pie?
http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/news/youths-arrested-following-affray-and-robbery-in-st-albans Youths arrested following affray and robbery in St Albans Friday, 28 December 2018 09:57 Police arrested six youths in Sunshine last night following an affray and robbery in St Albans earlier this week. The arrests came as police were called to Sunshine railway station in relation to a large gathering of youths just before 10.30pm. At the scene police identified two males believed to be involved in an affray that occurred on Alfreda Street on Monday 24 December and four males believed involved in a robbery on Wednesday 19 December, both incidents in St Albans. While police were arresting the teens others from the large gathering started throwing rocks at police, injuring one officer from the Public Order Response Team. The six males are currently in custody and are expected to be charged in relation to the affray and robbery with five to be presented at a children’s’ court and one to Sunshine Magistrates Court this morning. Brimbank detectives also executed two warrants this morning in Brookfield and Keilor Downs in which a further two 16-year-old boys were arrested in relation to the robbery and affray respectively. It is expected the pair will also be presented at a children’s court this morning. Investigations into the assault of the police member are ongoing. Posted by Philip S, Friday, 28 December 2018 12:34:02 PM
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Gee FOXY they are at it in Perth as well. Don't worry Foxy it is the Mail so it must be fake news in your eyes. 100's of witnesses they must be liars.
Moment a gang of African youths bash their outnumbered rivals in front of hundreds of shoppers during Boxing Day sales This is the horrific moment a group of African youths punched and kicked their outnumbered rivals in front of hundreds of terrified shoppers. Footage uploaded to social media shows the youths running through a busy shopping strip, before launching into the violent attack. The video was captured in Perth's Murray Street Mall on Wednesday, according to social media posts. A group of males can be seen chasing after a youth, swinging wildly at him, before pinning him against a shopfront. Several punches were thrown as more youths piled in and started kicking the youth. The group also punched other youths who found themselves caught up in the violent attack. Bystanders could be heard screaming as the shocking incident unfolded. Perth police are now calling on the public's help as they investigate the Murray Street Mall incident and another fight which broke out a short time earlier. About 2.10pm a large group, predominantly males, gathered in the Supreme Court Gardens, a public park, where a fight broke out, before the group was dispersed. A short time later, about 2.45pm, the violent incident unfolded in Murray Street and it is believed the same group were involved. Police are keen to speak with witnesses who filmed the incidents. Anyone with information should contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6533941/Horrific-moment-gang-African-youths-bash-rivals-hundreds-shoppers.html Posted by Philip S, Friday, 28 December 2018 1:14:46 PM
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PhilipS - Kudos for staying on this topic.
Posted by Canem Malum, Friday, 28 December 2018 1:20:19 PM
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Philip S.,
Kudos for not only staying on topic, but showing us the same old footage used previously in Victoria. Onya! Posted by Foxy, Friday, 28 December 2018 1:32:36 PM
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Phil, your latest report does have substance, being widely reported by many news outlets, including the ABC. It should be of concern to all of us when anything like this takes place. There is a lot of work to be done with all the disadvantaged youth in society, including those of African appearance.
CM the ABC and the Green trots is that something you got out of the Murdoch gutter press. Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 28 December 2018 4:04:57 PM
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Foxy I can see why people ridicule you Quote "same old footage used
previously in Victoria." If you had half a brain and were open to facts you will notice they are new reports with today's date. So what you are saying is this and the others never happened or they happened before but are being re-reported as occurring now. So there you have it widely reported events reported by MSM and Victoria Police never happened ACCORDING to Foxy. Posted by Philip S, Friday, 28 December 2018 5:16:34 PM
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Philip S so the personal abuse is now a fixture in your posts?
sexist put downs and bullying Foxy thrills you You can do better or can you Posted by Belly, Friday, 28 December 2018 5:43:43 PM
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Belly Can't you at least come back with a legible comment rather than than above dribble.
Quote "sexist put downs" Only in your mind. Posted by Philip S, Friday, 28 December 2018 5:54:42 PM
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Philip S.,
How can the same footage be used in two separate events in two different states? Is The Daily Mail having us on? Check the footage you've given us. It has nothing to do with me old chap! Posted by Foxy, Friday, 28 December 2018 6:02:20 PM
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Paul1405 As for the Monday incident in St Albans here is another source for it.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/inter-racial-brawl-outside-st-albans-cafe-stirs-fears-of-more-violence-20181227-p50ogj.html Foxy Like I have stated to you before * please read and comprehend before applying fingers to keyboard * you know the rest Quote "How can the same footage be used in two separate events in two different states? Is The Daily Mail having us on? Check the footage you've given us. It has nothing to do with me old chap!" ** I have not given you any video if you see video it is in the article. ** What are you dribbling on about above we have two separate events one in Victoria and one in Perth, which one do you say is FAKE, both incidents have different video, again what is wrong with you? Here are the two links if you think the videos are the same please seek psychiatric help. From Victoria http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6529223/Vietnamese-community-rallies-fight-against-Sudanese-gangs-terrorising-shops.html From Perth http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6533941/Horrific-moment-gang-African-youths-bash-rivals-hundreds-shoppers.html Posted by Philip S, Friday, 28 December 2018 6:27:22 PM
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Hey Philip S.,
Thanks for the links again. Here's one for you. It's from an article, again - in The Daily Mail on 22 March 2017, of a man who was bashed by teens outside a Perth shopping centre for refusing to give teens a cigarette. Sound familiar? Hmmmm. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4336868/Man-71-bashed-teens-outside-Perth-shopping-centre.html Posted by Foxy, Friday, 28 December 2018 7:31:14 PM
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Foxy As I have just stated. Please read and comprehend before applying fingers to keyboard.
Quote "Here's one for you. It's from an article, again - in The Daily Mail on 22 March 2017, of a man who was bashed by teens outside a Perth shopping centre for refusing to give teens a cigarette. Sound familiar?" It is like you think you are being smart by writing your comment then adding "Sound familiar?" followed by a link You are actually helping my case about violent foreign thugs. Observations about your link. 1st you had to go back to 21 March 2017 ( not 22 March 2017 as you stated ) to find something even then, for them to call him racist would imply they were not Australian, the article even says "A family member believed the offender was Pacific Islander in appearance". So please put in English what is the meaning of adding "Sound familiar?" Posted by Philip S, Friday, 28 December 2018 9:15:22 PM
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Philip S.,
Take an intelligent guess. Posted by Foxy, Friday, 28 December 2018 10:20:22 PM
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Foxy nice link for you. It was from Nov 12th but thought you might need reminding.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6381721/Laverton-robbery-African-gang-storm-McDonalds-Melbourne-bash-19-year-old-worker.html 'African' four-man gang storm a McDonald's in Melbourne and bash a 19-year-old worker over the head with a metal pole A gang of African youths have smashed their way into a McDonald's restaurant and bashed a teenage employee with a metal pole. The terrifying armed robbery unfolded in Laverton, Melbourne's south-west, in the early hours of Tuesday morning. Four masked offenders demanded cash before fleeing the scene, leaving a 19-year-old man with a serious laceration to his head. 'Investigators have been told four masked offenders forced their way into a fast food outlet on Fitzgerald Road about 3.20am,' Victoria Police said in a statement. 'One of the staff members, a 19-year-old man, was hit over the head with a metal pole. 'The offenders, who are perceived to be African in appearance, fled the scene.' Police have urged anyone with information is urged to contact Crime Stoppers. Sound familiar? Posted by Philip S, Saturday, 29 December 2018 5:53:10 PM
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Philip S.,
Of course this sounds familiar. It happened back in November. The police have already dealt with this matter. Why are you still fixated on it? You have a serious problem old chap. You should talk to someone about it - get help! You seem to have too much time on your hands. Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 29 December 2018 10:07:05 PM
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Foxy, Foxy I thought you might be suffering withdrawal symptoms so I put it up for you.
Thank you for telling me it happened in November, I never would have known that unless I read the first line. Don't worry all is forgiven. Posted by Philip S, Saturday, 29 December 2018 10:25:10 PM
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Horror! shear horror, four of them, we need to build fallout shelters and hide in them now!
Or we could look at the crimes of WASP that take place every day Posted by Belly, Sunday, 30 December 2018 4:57:19 AM
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Philip S.,
I've always suspected that you're really a nice bloke. Nice to be proven correct! Happy New Year - Have a Good One! Dear Belly, We know We Will! (smile). Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 30 December 2018 10:13:18 AM
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My secret is out.
Posted by Philip S, Sunday, 30 December 2018 11:15:23 AM
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Philip S.,
You betcha! Life is very satisfying! (smile). Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 30 December 2018 12:49:46 PM
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Time will tell if this is true. One way ticket home to Africa.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6539365/Is-net-closing-African-youth-gang-Blood-Drill-Killers.html Police say they know every member of African gang linked to robberies, street brawls and intimidation Police have warned members of the Blood Drill Killers, the African gang of youths terrorisng Melbourne, that they know who they are. Members of the Blood Drill Killers (BDK) appear to be imitating the actions of other dangerous African gangs including Menace to Society and Apex. Although members range in age from just 14 to 17 they have been engaging in robberies and other illegal activities, The Herald Sun reported. They are also known to be using social media to communicate with each other as well as share their exploits with followers. But police now say they are not only aware of the gang itself, but have identified nearly - if not all - of the group's young members. 'Victoria Police is aware of an emerging group called Blood Drill Killers. It is believed some of their offending has also been committed with Menace to Society members,' a Victoria Police spokeswoman said. 'Police have been monitoring the group for several months now and Wayward Taskforce are confident they know the identity of the majority, if not all, BDK members. 'BDK is comprised of African-Australian males, aged 14 to 17 years old. Police have arrested a number of teenagers linked to BDK in the past few weeks.' While police could not give accurate numbers in relation to the arrests of the gang members, they could confirm that arrests have been primarily related to robbery and affray. BDK is considered less dangerous than its older counterparts as they focus more on lower-level crimes such as phone robberies. However, police have raised concerns that BDK is becoming increasingly violent. A number of members have been linked to the brutal fight in St Albans last week, which left a man in hospital, according to police. Wooden bats and chairs were used in the violent clash on Christmas Eve. BDK is now the focus for a group of detectives trying to stamp out thuggery. Posted by Philip S, Sunday, 30 December 2018 6:26:48 PM
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Philip S.,
Care to discuss anything about Labor and refugees? Or don't you have anything more on the subject of the discussion that you've started here? Just a thought. Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 30 December 2018 6:43:03 PM
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Foxy Labor have recently been silent on what they will do so nothing to comment about.
Unless you know something new. Posted by Philip S, Sunday, 30 December 2018 6:56:37 PM
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Philip S.,
Afraid not. I guess we'll have to wait and see prior to the next election - what the policies of both parties will be. And whether any changes will be made. Or even if the party leaders will stay the same. Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 30 December 2018 7:04:34 PM
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Labor, dare I mention the word? lets be honest in this place for some/many it is a dirty word
Never the less Labor has not been silent Its National conference set out clear paths in this area Labor will not let the boats start up They will look closely at the NZ offer, BUT remain aware! smugglers want to send thousands to NZ given the chance This world, forget the UN is headed for much tougher refugee policy's Labor will win the election,small party's battle to win senate seats Being a Labor voter does not mean I have two heads I remain Australian A THINKING CARING ONE Posted by Belly, Monday, 31 December 2018 10:35:35 AM
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Now this is a leader looking out for the people.
World’s Youngest Leader Closes Mosques, Deports Imams From Austria http://neonnettle.com/news/6056-world-s-youngest-leader-closes-mosques-deports-imams-from-austria Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz, the world's youngest leader, has ordered the closing of seven mosques and has begun deporting “radical” imams back to their homelands due to violations of a recent law in Austria that bans “political Islam”. “Parallel societies, politicized Islam or radical tendencies have no place in our country,” Mr. Kurz said at a press conference announcing the measures in Vienna, while railing against the disastrous results of multiculturalism in Western Europe. Chancellor Kurz believes Muslims must be loyal to Austria and willing to integrate into society if they are to stay in the country. If they form a “parallel society” and start preaching “political Islam“, identity politics and divisiveness, they will be expelled. Since taking office last year, Sebastian Kurz’s government has been investigating Muslim organizations suspected of violating the country’s 2015 Islam law. The law aims to prevent any conflict between “thinking of oneself as a pious Muslim and proud Austrian citizen at the same time,” by regulating operations of the Islamic community. Two imams have already received deportation orders, and another 60 are under investigation and could face expulsion along with their entire family, Herbert Kickl, the Austrian interior minister, said. A number of mosques were shut down over suspicions of links to Islamic extremism after images emerged of children as young as four being forced to wear Turkish army uniforms and salute the Turkish flag inside the mosque in Vienna’s Favoriten district. 31-year-old Sebastian Kurz, who claimed victory in Austria’s general election last year while vowing to destroy the New World Order, is making good on his promise to ignore the European Union’s globalist directives regarding Muslim immigration. Ultimately, Kurz plans to reclaim Austrian sovereignty by leading the nation out of the European Union. The UN official called the coalition a “dangerous development in the political life of Europe,” and said he was particularly concerned with the new hardline migrant policies endorsed by Chancellor Sebastian Kurz. Posted by Philip S, Tuesday, 1 January 2019 1:57:21 AM
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6473487/Asylum-seekers-convicted-murder-allowed-Australia-Bill-Shortens-soft-laws.html
Asylum seekers convicted of murder and rape could be allowed into Australia under Bill Shorten’s soft new laws
A softened border policy allowing asylum seekers into Australia even if they are rapists and murderers could become reality early next year.
Opposition leader Bill Shorten has pushed for asylum decisions to not include considerations of the applicant's character, it has been revealed.
In medical cases where a foreign national has to be sent to Australia to treatment, doctors could even make the final decision via Skype.
The government and the opposition are due to clash on what has been dubbed the 'medivac bill' when it passes through the lower house in February.
Seen in legal advice by The Daily Telegraph, the new push has come under fire from immigration minister David Coleman.
'Under Labor's law, a person who has been convicted of serious offences would have to come to Australia and there is nothing the minister could do to stop it,' he said.
'For the alternative prime minister to support this is staggering.'
For those asylum seekers on Nauru, two doctors' recommendation would be enough to force the Australian government to bring them over for medical treatment.
The policy would also apply to those who have been sent to Manus Island.
In that case, the immigration minister would have just 24 hours to approve moving the asylum seeker.
The only grounds under which the minister could fight the doctors' recommendations would be medically-based or if the person was a terror threat.
The changes, which would still be verifiable by a medical panel, were first proposed by independent MP Kerryn Phelps.
Speaking to ABC, Mr Shorten defended his party's policy change.
He said: 'Labor does not accept the corollary between discouraging the people-smuggling trade and keeping people in detention for five plus years. That's shameful.'