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Posted by o sung wu, Monday, 24 July 2017 1:09:55 PM
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Dear O Sung Wu.,
You are not alone in your strong feelings about our Prime Minister. However many of my family and relatives still see no other alternative. Mr Shorten is even less popular with them. I personally feel that the Liberal Party chose to oust out Mr Abbott. I don't blame Mr Turnbull for that. He simply took the opportunity that was available. I guess that's politics. However, don't stress - much can happen before the next election. We've got interesting times ahead. Posted by Foxy, Monday, 24 July 2017 1:46:26 PM
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leoj,
Your description of Larissa Waters as a "superficial self-entitled showboat" is not something that I agree with. I found the Senator to be a whip-smart policy brain who has proven to be an effective campaigner on so many issues. She succeeded as a young politician from a crucial growth state where the Greens have traditionally struggled. Senator Waters had all the hallmarks of a future leader and her loss is a grave blow for her party. I only recently found out more details about her dual citizenship. It seems that she left Canada as a baby (11 months old). She was born to Australian parents studying and working briefly in Canada before they returned home to Australia. Naturally the Senator lived her life thinking that as a baby she was Naturalised to be Australian and only Australian that that's what she thought she was. However she's now found out that she was born one week after Canada's 'Citizenship Act 1976' came into force. That Act repealed earlier provisions for involuntary loss of Canadian Citizenship after naturalisation overseas. Which of course meant that unbeknowns to her she did have dual citizenship. Despite the fact that she was an Australian Citizen of Australian parents who just happened to be born in Canada and left Canada as a baby of 11 months. To me her case simply does not make sense. I wonder where she'd be if she'd been born on a Italian, German, British or American luxury liner? Posted by Foxy, Monday, 24 July 2017 2:10:35 PM
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Foxy,
You are beginning to look like an apologist for the greens. It takes a single visit or even just a letter to either the Canadian embassy or the NZ embassy to verify citizenship status. Given that prospective MPs are briefed on the citizenship requirements and both LW and SL knew they were born overseas, there is no reasonable excuse, and to fail their party for such a trivial error is gross incompetence. That the Constitution is old is a feeble argument, as nearly all Aus Law is founded on principles that far outdate the Constitution going back as far as Roman times. That most countries in the world don't allow dual citizens to run for senior office would imply that the concept is not out of date with today's expectations. As for the two senators, in spite of you singing their praises, I have yet to see from either of them a single policy of substance rather a wish list of populist agendas (if you can show one that contradicts me please do so). While I believe all politicians are show boats, these two are the most superficial. Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 24 July 2017 2:56:05 PM
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Foxy, Your description of Larissa Waters as a "superficial self-entitled showboat"
is not something that I agree with" To repeat the bleeding obvious, Yet there are longstanding issues affecting almost all women, but fat lot the always-entitled Larissa, or Greens, might care. Foxy, you obviously need a reminder too. See here, CHERFUL, Saturday, 22 July 2017 10:58:19 PM http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=19173&page=0#340825 Larissa's stunts in the Senate chamber and elsewhere were about Larissa. She and other strutting, self-entitled celebrities who are as fortunate as she is, but some not as well placed as she was to do anything about it, are riding on the backs of millions of women. Women they are constantly letting down. Got to wonder if Larissa or any of those other women celebrities who claim to represent women, the womyns commentariat on The Box for instance, have ever graced shopping centre infants change rooms in their Gucci pumps and designer essentials. Yet the planet could be saved from global warming if only their endless gassing about women could be directed into electricity generation. Posted by leoj, Monday, 24 July 2017 3:28:23 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,
I have no control over your interpretation of how I sound to you. The same as you have no control over how you Sir sound to me on this issue. Lets leave it at that. leoj, You have a history of consistently attacking the Greens with insults, name calling, ad-hominems and other childish tactics. Therefore your current attacks on Larissa Waters and Scott Ludlum doesn't hold much credibility. Your past record unfortunately speaks for itself and as you're proceeding in the same predictable style - to tell you the truth I don't read most of what you write. You never have anything new to say. Posted by Foxy, Monday, 24 July 2017 5:02:04 PM
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In one of your posts you mentioned the current LNP Government were destined for defeat at the next federal election. Indeed that are, and as an ultra conservative myself, I'm glad to see it as they deserve nothing more then to be consigned to the depths of political infamy.
After that treacherous individual Malcolm TURNBULL aka 'TURNCOAT', shafted a sitting PM in the back, they deserve nothing more than to be banished into the abyss of all quislings. It doesn't matter how bad or how good Mr ABBOTT is/was, the electorate put him there, and only the electorate should remove him. I have nothing but utter contempt for everything Mr TURNBULL stands for. The mere mention of his name is nauseating.
Interestingly, subsequent to the LNP's loss at the next federal election, their leader Mr TURNBULL will simply retire with his millions to his Point Piper mansion. While the rest of us will need to assimilate to a big spending Wm. SHORTIN government.
I do not support the Greens in anyway. However, despite the fact that my politics and the politics espoused by PAUL1405 are diametrically opposite. I've always found him to be refreshingly candid with his beliefs, affiliations, and opinions. More than could ever be said of that, that; 'person' Mr TURNBULL!