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Merkel now on the slippery dip

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Germany's Merkel goverment is being repaid for it's open-borders policy. Two recent elections lost to anti-immigration parties, and Frau Merkel is now muttering that she wishes she had made different decisions on mass Muslim entry, which is strange, because she is making no attempt to change the situation while she still has the power to do so.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 7 October 2016 12:14:54 PM
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yep Malcolm must hate having to align with Pauline after Abbotts votes went her way. People are slow learners but many are waking up.
Posted by runner, Friday, 7 October 2016 12:54:56 PM
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I suppose Merkel should have taken a leaf out of one of her predecessor's books and at least make the immigrants wear yellow cloth patches on their sleeves or round them up and put them into camps.

As I recall it didn't work out so well for everybody last time but I reckon Pauline is willing to give it a try - same reasons, same excuses, same final solution.
Posted by rache, Friday, 7 October 2016 1:43:38 PM
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Rache,

Are you suggesting that Mrs. Merkel act like the Nazis did with the Jews? The Jewish victims of the National Socialists were born and bred Germans, whereas Adolf Hitler was not German until his citizenship was obtained. At least Merkel had the opportunity to repel foreigners, or restrict them, as many other democratic countries do. Mrs. Merkel is either weak, or she is a traitor to her fellow Germans, who do not like what she has done, and they will punish her. Thanks for giving your point of view.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 7 October 2016 3:23:02 PM
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//I suppose Merkel should have taken a leaf out of one of her predecessor's books and at least make the immigrants wear yellow cloth patches on their sleeves//

//The Jewish victims of the National Socialists were born and bred Germans//

Not all of them. They killed lots of foreign Jews as well

But the guys wearing brown, blue or red patches were more likely to be foreigners. Which colour would you prefer, ttbn?
Posted by Toni Lavis, Saturday, 8 October 2016 8:47:58 AM
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ttbn,
I'm not suggesting anything except using the recent treatment of Jews as an example of what's happening today.

Jews have been persecuted throughout history as far back as ancient Greece for the following reasons -

They don't assimilate, they place their own religion above the laws of the land and show no national loyalty and their holy book is filled with hatred and disdain against non-believers. The Jesus aspect came much later.

They were also used as convenient scapegoats for whatever political gains could be made from them and the Nazis (and most other European countries) found them an easy target.

Many other countries were eager to surrender their Jews to the Nazis when the opportunity came up so It's not fair to only blame the Germans.

We even turned away Jews that were fleeing that treatment.

Sound familiar?

Your simplistic reactionary views are just an echo of what was done before and Germany now has a deliberate national policy of tolerance toward other groups and has no wish to repeat the horrors of the past.
Posted by rache, Saturday, 8 October 2016 9:23:03 AM
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It seems more like Merkel wants Germans to wear those patches.
Elected leaders today are all sellouts and duds.
Its as if its part of their elected duty to sell the citizens out.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 8 October 2016 11:46:25 AM
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//It seems more like Merkel wants Germans to wear those patches.//

Which colour of patch? Do you think Merkel wants her fellow Germans to identify (falsely, in many cases) as gyppos, poofs, pacifists, ladies of negotiable affection (whores), the mentally ill, or worst of all... the dreaded Jew?

Have you considered the possibility that she isn't quite as batshit crazy as one notable previous German Chancellor, and that all she really wants is for her fellow Germans to work hard, pay their taxes and obey the law? From what I've heard and read from Germans, they seem to have learnt the lessons from the horrors of National Socialism a damn sight better than a lot of people in other Western nations. Maybe they just have superior memories to us because they really are the master race after all ;)
Posted by Toni Lavis, Saturday, 8 October 2016 10:02:05 PM
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Hi,Rache,

I think you must be mixing up religions. Your comments about Jews, in fact, describe Muslims, not Jews, perfectly. I have never heard anyone, even anti- Semites, accuse Jews of such things, before you. However, if you have evidence of what you claim, I look forward to your presentation of it. I know more about the Koran; nothing about the Torah, as you obviously do. I'm not sure what you mean by "The Jesus aspect came later". I do know that some people used to refer to Jews as "Christ Killers".

I'm not sure what I wrote that led you to believe that my views on modern Germans were based on Nazis. Far from it. Modern Germans are so raddled with guilt about something they played no part in. My problem with Merkel us that she is selling out on those people she is supposed to represent, as though that will ease her own conscious, in a way similar to Australian politicians and our descendants of natives.

I spent the last two years of WW2 living with my German grandmother. I'm not anti- German.

As a matter of interest, did you know that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem advised Adolf Hitler on settling the 'Jewsish problem'?

I look forward to you expanding on your comments on Jews and the reason for those comments.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 8 October 2016 10:44:52 PM
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Toni,

Are you cross-eyed; dyslexic? You don't actually address your remarks to me, but ask me some strange question about colour in the last sentence. It was rache who made the remark about coloured patches, not me. You are a hard bloke to follow.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 8 October 2016 10:51:57 PM
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ttbn,
Toni was reponding to my comment.

And I'll stick up for rache's comment ttbn, or parts of it anyway.
Jews were expelled from European countries for centuries. Why?
Clearly this piece of history went on a lot longer than Hilter's venture.

Toni,
Stop nitpicking, any bloody colour you like.

My point is that Merkel is selling the German people out, like all leaders are selling their people out for immigration and globalism.
Nothing at all to do with Jews and Hitler sorry.

But since you mentioned it, I think shes about on par with Hitler for the good she's doing to her own country.
In some ways I think she's worse.
Hitler had good reasons to want the Jews gone.
Merkel doesn't have any reason at all the Germans could support to justify why she let all the immigrants in.
Most of her so-called fellow Germans want to see her hang.
I suppose the immigrants would support her, doubt any rational thinking German would.

I guess its like Pauline Hanson.
Most of the so-called Aussies that oppose her are people that identify as immigrants.
The rest are just useful idiots trying to be PC who've been brainwashed by the TV.

While on the topic,
I think groups of people not just individuals get PTSD.
I think Jews, Palestinians, our indigenous and also African Americans in the USA.
The Germans have something else, this constantly driven guilt about WW2.
The Japanese too had some destroyed pride and honour for losing WW2.
On some level I think its all stupid, no-one is responsible for things that happened before they were born.

There is no such thing as master race just good ideas and bad, but if any race considers themselves to be so it would be your lot.

Out of curiousity, are you male or female? Not that it really matters.
I've heard you talk about going to scouts in your youth before, but the spelling of your name is the female version of Tony.
As in Tonita.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 9 October 2016 9:04:32 AM
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The rise of the far right parties world wide is in response to the virtue signaling hypocrisy of the left, and the surprise of those on the centre is largely due to the media who are decidedly left leaning and who fail to include the concerns of conservatives.

The recent poll showing that far more people favour a ban on muslim immigration than don't should be a wake up call to those trying to control free speech, that the real views will be reflected at the ballot.

Merkel ignored the silent mass of concerned citizens and has suffered for it at the polls.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 9 October 2016 9:24:20 AM
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SM,
Merkel never cared about the concerned citizens in the first place.
None of the politicians do.
This is the trend we see in politics.

They get our votes and give the impression of democracy, but thats as far as it goes.
After that they do the bidding of the elites and the 'global' establishment.
They talk about national interests, but they fight for globalist interests instead, and sell the nation out.
They screw the people over but it doesnt matter, they did the job they were supposed to do.
We all end up thinking they're scum, but they still walk around with a smile on their faces because they did the exact job they were supposed to do which was to sell us out.
They go out the back door and a new Judas-goat comes to take on the top job for another round of 'screw the people over' democracy like a well oiled machine.

Its all a complete sham.
A con-job.
A stich-up.

We think we have two main parties who have opposing viewpoints and policies.
The trick is for the main parties to mostly the same policies of the elites, (such as foreign policies, and trade) while having the people argue amongst themselves over the policies and viewpoints that don't really matter.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 9 October 2016 10:00:00 AM
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AC,

Now I'm really confused. I didn't raise the issue of the Jews: they had nothing to do with my post about Merkel and her open border policies. It was rache, apropos of nothing, who introduced the Jews and then proceeded to accuse them of things that they have never been or done. As I suggested, she is confusing Jews with Muslims.

I'm well aware of the discrimination against Jews down the ages, well before and after Hitler (who also played no part in my post) raised his ugly head. Jews were banned from Britain for 200 years during the Middle Ages. Australia refused to take in Jews post war. It was only relevantly recently the Jews were admitted to the Melbourne Club and other highbrow edifices. Jews, even now, are the butt of jokes and hatred, by ordinary people as well as anti-Semites, Israel haters and, most of all, Muslims who want to kill them. All of which has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH MY ORIGINAL POST , which concerned the traitorous Frau Merkel's flooding of Germany with illegal Muslims. It never ceases to amaze me how many times some posters turn a subject totally off course to suit their own, often unfathomable, aims.

For the record, I am pro-Isreal.

BTW, did you know that the Merkel publicly stated in 2014 that MULTICULTURALISM IS A FAILURE.? There is probably a psychiatric description for someond who makes that statement, then proceeds to make Germany even more absurdly multicultural than it already is.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 9 October 2016 10:54:48 AM
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Hey ttbn,
Yes it was rache that first mentioned it.
My first response didn't have anything to do with Jews either, other than using the 'badge' analogy to try to convey that Merkel is alienating her own people.

I know you're Pro-Israel and that's fine.
Your entitled to have an opinion and position like anyone else.
I agree with most of the things you say regarding Australia.

I'm not necessarily against Jewish people themselves.
But I am against all this New World Order globalism bs.
I see it as being just as bad is Islam in its own way.

And you have Soros - A Rothschild frontman pushing these open border / regime change agendas; and other Jews having a good deal of influence over other countries politics creating the bipartisan support for foreign policy so how am I supposed to reconcile all that?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 9 October 2016 11:39:15 AM
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G'day again, AC,

I am against globalising too. Another good topic. Funny you should mention Soros: I read an article about him just last night. What Marxist plots he isn't backing are not worth mentioning.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 9 October 2016 3:37:08 PM
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//Hitler had good reasons to want the Jews gone.//

Jesus, really?

Hitler wanted the Jews gone because he was a murderous, unstable, kunt. None of those constitute good reasons. The fact that you think they do says an awful lot about you.

//Merkel doesn't have any reason at all the Germans could support to justify why she let all the immigrants in.//

Merkel is a Lutheran, which is a denomination of Christianity. Have you ever read Matthew 25:34-45? I suggest you google, have a read, and then reflect for a few minutes on why somebody belonging to the Christian faith (like Merkel) might consider it their moral duty to treat refugees compassionately.

I'm not saying it's a good reason, since Germany is a secular nation and religion shouldn't influence public policy. But it is a reason. Maybe she just thinks a society based on compassion is better than the alternative, where life is likely to be nasty, brutish and short.

//Most of the so-called Aussies that oppose her are people that identify as immigrants.
The rest are just useful idiots trying to be PC who've been brainwashed by the TV.//

You do take an unnecessarily narrow view of the world don't you AC. What's up with that?

I see that you haven't considered the useful idiots who spend more time in a week listening to non-political, British podcasts like 'No Such Thing As A Fish', 'The Museum of Curiosity' and 'The Infinite Monkey Cage' than they do watching Australian television, and good deal more time than either reading, and still regard Pauline as an unpleasant little toad who only appeals to similarly unpleasant toads (who are thankfully few and far between).
Posted by Toni Lavis, Sunday, 9 October 2016 4:29:25 PM
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//Out of curiousity, are you male or female? Not that it really matters.
I've heard you talk about going to scouts in your youth before, but the spelling of your name is the female version of Tony.
As in Tonita.//

1) The Scouts admit females. I don't know where you got the impression they didn't. Admittedly, the gender ratios in my Cub pack and Scout Troops were heavily male-skewed, but my Venturer Unit was fairly close to parity.
2) Tony is generally an abbreviation of Anthony. But if your name was Antonio, wouldn't it make sense to abbreviate it as Toni?
3) On my home we are capable of assuming different sexes by adopting specific diets. And there are six different sexes. It's complicated; you Earth folk wouldn't get it. I'm not really human you see; I'm an intergalactic environmental protection officer assigned to your world to save your species from being wiped out by the marauding Reptilians. Something which you all seem remarkably blase about, except for that cannny Icke fella.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Sunday, 9 October 2016 4:31:34 PM
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Hey Toni,
From what I understand there was animosity from WWI when Jews got USA involved in that war causing Germany to lose; also the resulting situation after the war.
Also Judea pronounced war on Germany March 24, 1933 6yrs before WW2 began.
Do you dispute these facts?
Either way I don't wish to argue...

I don't remember any girls at cubs or scouts when I went though my memory may fail me.
Maybe there wasn't any in my scout group, it's been a long since I thought about those days.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 6:39:03 PM
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//From what I understand there was animosity from WWI when Jews got USA involved in that war causing Germany to lose; also the resulting situation after the war.
Also Judea pronounced war on Germany March 24, 1933 6yrs before WW2 began.
Do you dispute these facts?//

Yep. The Germans and the USA got the USA involved in WWI. Mostly the Germans, who launched U-boat attacks against merchant vessels when they really should have known better. The US responded pretty much the way you'd expect.

As for the People's Front of Judea declaring war on the Nazi's six years before WWII actually started: yeah, cool story bro. Now would you care to explain to me how a declaration war from Judean Jews excuses the wholesale slaughter of Jewish women and children from Germany, Austria, Poland, Hungary, etc. (i.e. not Judea)?
Posted by Toni Lavis, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 4:37:38 PM
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Hey Toni,
Firstly, WWI would never have occurred except for the creation of the Federal Reserve who's first order of business was to loan England the money for the war.
Secondly you should go over to Singer's threads and look into the circumstances surrounding the Balfour Declaration.
You're an intelligent and knowledgeable person Toni, but I don't you always get it right.

"Now would you care to explain to me how a declaration war from Judean Jews excuses the wholesale slaughter of Jewish women and children from Germany, Austria, Poland, Hungary,"

It doesn't.

But I don't know if Jews in the concentration camps were killed in gas chambers or if they died of typhus and starvation after supply lines were cut.
I don't know whether the guy you spoke of at Nuremberg actually did what he said he did or just said so to try to save his skin.

Nations citizens have little control over what their leaders do, but your lot provoked that war, in my opinion.

You can take the idiots view if you want, but I know different.
Wars of the world are caused by Private Central Banking.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F29bNPN8FTE

And you may be intelligent but when you ridicule Trump, what does that say?
When genuine criticisms of Hillary are discussed I don't hear you standing against that behavior.
The anti-Trumpers just stay silent.
You'll put a known liar, rapist and warmonger in the Whitehouse, simply because you think Donald's Trumps a big mouth.
Intelligent? sometimes you have to wonder.

Watch this video; enlighten yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeHY5_oL-T0

You want the real Truth, it's the anti-Trumpers like yourself who are the real bigots; the discriminating divisive people that don't wish to work with anyone else.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 13 October 2016 10:19:41 AM
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//But I don't know if Jews in the concentration camps were killed in gas chambers or if they died of typhus and starvation after supply lines were cut.//

It's not an either/or situation, AC. All three of those things occurred.

//I don't know whether the guy you spoke of at Nuremberg actually did what he said he did or just said so to try to save his skin.//

What sort of crazy person thinks that confessing to genocide is likely to save them from the gallows? You do come up with the most bizarre shite sometimes, AC. Also, Höss's autobiography was written after he had been sentenced - he knew he was going to hang and there was no possibility that the work would save his neck.

//Nations citizens have little control over what their leaders do, but your lot provoked that war, in my opinion.//

Well this is a new one. I presume by 'my lot' you mean the Irish ancestors rather than the Aussies, because Australia joined the war as a dominion of the British Empire. Even though Ireland were neutral throughout the war. Let me see if I can guess how this one goes: the invasion of Poland by Germany which kicked off WWII was actually carried out by Irishmen disguised as Germans? Was the German parliament which passed the Enabling Act secretly riddled with Irish impostors?
Posted by Toni Lavis, Friday, 14 October 2016 7:58:56 AM
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We've gone through this stuff before Toni and you're just whinging for the sake of it.
Get over yourself and get on with your day...
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 14 October 2016 9:43:05 AM
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AC,

TL, like AJ, is just a bored troll who likes likes to nitpick. You will notice that neither of these two characters ever instigate a discussion; they just lurk under their rocks, waiting to spray BS over anyone who dares to say anything off their own bat. They are pathetic.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 14 October 2016 10:48:53 AM
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//We've gone through this stuff before Toni//

No we haven't. You appear to be suffering from some sort of memory defect.

Your assertion that Höss confessed to his crimes as some sort plea baragain which was never offered to him in the first place is new. And incorrect.

And your claim that 'my lot' - Irish Catholics - started the war is also new. And also incorrect. I'd like to know what you have against the Irish, and why you've suddenly started decided to start heaping shite on them as well.

//you're just whinging for the sake of it.//

No, I am disputing your Shoah denying claims. I always will. Might as well get used to it, or give up the Holocaust denial. Because every time you make a fictional claim about the Shoah in the misguided belief that it somehow justifies your alternative political views I will be there to call bullshite.

To be honest, I don't know why you bother. Do you really believe that if you repeat the same old crap that 'the Jews started the war, so they've only got the themselves to blame really, and anyway the Nazis never gassed any of them because they only ever used that gas for killing lice, I know because I read it on some website somewhere and then some random bloke on a youtube video told me it was true, so it must be true', everybody else is going to turn around and say, 'Crikey, how could we have got it so wrong? History has misjudged poor old Hitler. If only we'd been taught in school that him and his mates never really wanted to murder all those Jewish men. And women. And children. And the gypsies, who probably had it coming as well. And the disabled.... well, everyone makes mistakes, right? The point is that the Nazis never had any choice about herding all those innocent people into concentration camps and slaughtering them, because some of them were Jewish. So it was just self-defence really.'

Not bloody likely, matey.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Friday, 14 October 2016 10:58:27 PM
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Well I couldn't care less anyway.
Jews brought it on themselves starting the war with Hitler and backstabbing Germany in WWI; just like they always do.
If you don't like my opinion then tough luck because it's not going to change either..
You make out like I personally loaded them into the alleged gas chamber myself.
Well I wasn't born then so you can take your petty shite and shove it.
I'm not responsible for what happened and theres no law that says I have to care.

I care about todays wars and WW3 Hillary supporters like yourself and Pro-jewish Neocons are intent on starting.
I don't know why you bother arguing with me when you will be just as responsible for killing millions yourself for supporting Hillary when this war gets started proper.

http://consortiumnews.com/2016/10/07/key-neocon-calls-on-us-to-oust-putin/
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 15 October 2016 12:09:09 PM
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//Jews brought it on themselves starting the war with Hitler and backstabbing Germany in WWI; just like they always do.//

Give 'em enough rope... XD

//I'm not responsible for what happened and theres no law that says I have to care.//

No, there is no law. Despite the absence of any legal obligation to do so, most people still think genocide is morally wrong. It's interesting that you do not. May I ask if you've ever been diagnosed with a personality disorder?

//I care about todays wars and WW3 Hillary supporters like yourself and Pro-jewish Neocons are intent on starting.
I don't know why you bother arguing with me when you will be just as responsible for killing millions yourself for supporting Hillary when this war gets started proper.//

Dude, nobody cares about your little man-crush on Donald 'My hair is my greatest asset' Trump anymore. You just said you think Hitler was right - I mean, you might as well have said that you enjoy sexual intercourse with small children. People are too busy wondering what the hell is wrong with you that you'd hold such views in the first place, not to mention admitting to them publicly, to wonder why you get so worked up about foreign elections.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Saturday, 15 October 2016 10:52:02 PM
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I'm starting to think you should've gone to guides after all.
I'm not the one who tells others to drink acid when they don't agree with me, you're not quite right.

I told you before my life is not framed in any way by what Hitler did or did not do, though my family fought on the side that liberated them, so I take your bs as an insult.
Also my grandfather lead men into battle at Gallipoli, another stupid war that would never have happened if they had not started the Federal Reserve and loaned England the money for it.
So don't tell me my family hasn't made a sacrifice for their benefit, or for this country; and I don't have to sit here and listen to your bs trying to talk down to me like I'm responsible for something that happened before I was born.

I said he was right to kick the Jews out just as I think we'd be right to kick the Muslims out if they declared war against us in our own country.
I never said he was right to deliberately kill them if that's what happened.
You're out of your mind Toni trying to blame others for your own emotional shortcomings.
What do you want me to do?
I can't bring the 70 year old dead back to life..
What the hell is wrong with you?

I think you just can't cop what you dish out.
Because I support Trump you go to "I enjoy sex with small children".
I think maybe you should start taking the medication again.
You obviously should never have gone off it.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 16 October 2016 1:06:55 AM
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ttbn,

A sneaky, cowardly attack there:

<< TL, like AJ, is just a bored troll who likes likes to nitpick. You will notice that neither of these two characters ever instigate a discussion; they just lurk under their rocks, waiting to spray BS over anyone who dares to say anything off their own bat. They are pathetic.>>

And it nearly went unnoticed to.

I see you still don’t know what a troll is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

Were you annoyed that I nipped your little attempt at a gay-bashing thread in the bud, were you?

If I’m so pathetic and spray so much BS, they why have you had to resort to ignoring my posts? Surely such patent BS would be easy to discredit, would it not?
Posted by AJ Philips, Sunday, 16 October 2016 10:15:24 AM
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