Well, there is little doubt Bill Shorten is not in conversation with the interior decorator, as his only saving grace is the ridiculous law his mate Ruddy put in place whereby they (labor leaders) are now unsackable.

Meanwhile, the labor party support crew will be on their bikes, because they know that given a chance to have their say AGAIN, will be a fruitless excercise as the faceless men are the ones who choose leader, not members.

Meanwhile, Tony Abbott can add another notch to his sword handle having accounted for Rudd, Gillard, Rudd again and now most likely Shorten.

Not bad for an out of touch hillbilly.

It's laughable

yes remember rehctub that the left declared he was unelectable, that Turnbull would take his place, that he could not win (but Gillard could lose), that he is unpopular. Then the good Labour Senator from WA says what a good prime minister he would make. Just like the gw religion the left will continue to live in la la land and change their spin to suite their narrative. All really a mask for hatred of having a straight white family man as PM.

What do we do with a leader who is on the nose? Indeed. Unfortunately we have to wait until the next election.

In the meanwhile he is traipsing around forcing our internal politics down the throats of the international community and generally being an absolute embarrassment. New today he has stripped Climate Change from the agenda when the G20 meet here.

God what a tool.

Been away for a while and you blokes haven’t changed your spots.

The same old rhetoric!

Come in spinner it’s your turn!

Don’t forget 54.45% of Australian voters did not vote the Rabbott and his mob.

The Coalition received 45.55% of the vote (a minority) yet control 60% (an undemocratic majority of 90 seats) in the House of Representatives.

So what to do with both leaders who are BOTH on the nose?

What you do is introduce a proportional voting system so this country.

Get rid of the Ineptocracy and give us democracy.

By the way, where is Belly?

rehctub,

It's just as well that you aren't employed by a govt dept...otherwise your "colleagues" would be encouraged to dob you in for inviting criticism of Our Glorious Leader.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/colleagues-told-dob-in-political-web-posts/story-fnii5s3y-1226875635588

That's the sort of Stasi-like regime now being implemented by Ms Credlin and the masters.

Very Orwellian, very "1984".

Great fun, eh....

Greens' Christine Milne is the leader with the poorest record of all. The WA by-election is no glimmer of hope, it has been all downhill for her. But then her crew have an equally poor record. Nothing doing since sly old Bob Brown departed the scene to rove the seas as a pirate.

OTB – Forgot about you.

I see your spots haven’t changed either.

Still pushing the same old tired rhetoric as well I see!

Producer,

BTT

Poirot>> It's just as well that you aren't employed by a govt dept...otherwise your "colleagues" would be encouraged to dob you in for inviting criticism of Our Glorious Leader.>>

Or P, the “censoring of the press” as Labor attempted in their final term, that was pretty ordinary too......and in saying that I agree with your disgust over the dob in a mate campaign.

God how treacherously American our political parties have become....and without moving from the Westminster system. Shorten is not a leader, unless someone tells him to be. Abbott is leading a disingenuous mob whose snouts are in exactly the same mining trough that Obeid and cronies guzzled from. They are both the same, on their own sides but not on the electorates.

The election in WA shows that both leaders are ordinary and uninspiringly on the nose. Whatever message Abbott sent to the WA electorate they didn’t see it. Shorten’s message on the other hand did get through to the electorate,” I have nothing.”

Because of the talentless rabble that fills the govt and opposition we get more Green senators...imbeciles dictated to from imbeciles in the northern hemisphere......

Producer re Belly, I too had been away and missed Belly. Following his posts it seems he had a blue with OTB...complained to Graham...got no satisfaction, and left.....anyway that’s the way I read it.

the success of Abbott just makes the haters louder and louder whether employed by the Government or not. The last time I checked many of the tax payer unded ABC presenters were earning obscene amounts to push their propaganda.

OTB – Please indulge me. What does BTT mean?

Sonofgloin – I share your sentiment. Thanks for the heads up on Belly. He added a bit of balance to this mob and unlike this mob was prepared to discuss an issue albeit through red tinted glasses. He had also been known to change his position ever so slightly following protracted debate. I for one would like to see him back.

This thread is not a debate or for that matter an opinion.

It reads like a series of press releases from the coalition.

Just look at runners last post!

Producer,

It means back to the topic.

Leaders.

Many people wanted to give Mr Abbott a huge raspberry
for the "Imperial Honours," (Sir Pository of Wisdom),
that he's brought back for our country.

As it turns out even this may turn out to be a dud.
As apparently the Palance stated (see the link that
follows), "Mr Abbott does not confer titles, the
Queen does!" And it seems that in the case of Sir
Cosgrove and Dame Quentin - she didn't! (The titles
may not be legal).

Normal procedure apparently has not been followed.
Mr Abbott simply took matters into his own hands.
Without any consultation. The Queen has not signed
any documents. A joint announcement has not been issued
from the Palace, No simultaneous press release. This
investiture was not followed by a confirming
announcement in the Government Gazette. Are the titles
legal? The Palace apparently thinks not.

Anyway, read this for yourselves
and see if perhaps the whole thing's a joke?

http://www.independentaustralia.net/article-display/tony-abbotts-right-royal-disaster,6346

Fair suck of the sauce bottle Foxy. You can’t say that here, it’s not an approved press release.

Anyway it’s the fault of the Labor/Green alliance and the deficit not Rabbott and his lot. She’ll be right they get can do mini me on the job and it will be all fixed up in a jiffy. Might have to flog a few assets (not the jets) and empower a few monopolies. With what we get we will buy a couple off titles of big Liz.

Don’t you worry about that!

Shock, horror, PM wants to recognise the service to Australia of the ex- and incoming GGs.

The left are shocked, dismayed. There is a dreadful carry-on.

Not in the same league as (then) PM Julia Gillard eulogising Mr Slipper in the House and defending that other fellow, Craig Thomson.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-16/gillard-defends-craig-thomson-over-escort-scandal/2842042

Another coalition press release from OTB

I wonder if Arthur will get the same short shift as Peter got from his colleagues if he is proved wanting

Producer, "I wonder if Arthur will get the same short shift as Peter got from his colleagues if he is proved wanting"

Arthur who? Peter who? What exactly do you mean by that statement?

Talking about people in high places ...

Max Nankervis writes - in The Age, Saturday April 5, 2014:

"How is it that people in high places, especially
in government, have such poor memories?
Alexander Downer (in) famously couldn't recall about
numerous matters at the 2006 Cole inquiry into the
AWB oil-for-wheat scandal, and even today has difficulty
in recalling things, especially about invoices and money
matters ("Alexander Downer offered $60,000 fee to
lobby for jailed Australian" 1/4). Now Arthur Sinodinos is
having a similar memory problem ("Don't know, don't
recall" 4/4). And he was a company director. Let's hope
he remembered to collect his salary. Thank goodness he's
relieved of his ministerial duties. Otherwise the country
could end up in a right mess. Perhaps the public will have
a better grasp of recall at the next election."

otb,

Lol!..."Arthur who?"

Well I wonder who from the govt benches named Arthur could be embroiled in some questionable goings on?

Let me see...wait...er...it's coming....

Sinodonis ring a bell?

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/icac-arthur-sinodinos-fronts-corruption-inquiry-20140402-35yaz.html

*OTB – Please indulge me. What does BTT mean?*
Don't know.

But I do know that OTT means One Term Tony...... Thank God.

I do agree that Mr Abort has one saving grace, he is not prone to spontaneous laughter. though how anyone could laugh at a time like this is beyond me.

Dear Rober LePage,

Tony Abbott grins a lot though - doesn't he?
Maybe it's just nerves.

And he pumps handshakes as well.
I wonder if he impressed the Japanese President
with his handshake?

Robert LePage,

"BTT" means "Back to Topic"

otb employs it whenever he's been called out and he doesn't wish to engage.

Of course he's quite happy to waffle on "off topic" when it suits him - only calling BTT when the situation requires it.

Scroll down and check out otb here waxing lyrical and off topic for quite some time:
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6313&page=0

Robert Le Page – I would not have got that one either.

What about HTT?

Would it be great if the Rabbott and his mob pulled a double disillusion?

We could have a “Half Term Tony”

Foxy I'm surprised at you.

We expect Robert LePage, Poirot, & now Producer to simply snipe, when they have nothing worth saying. And I do realise it is getting very hard to find any meaningful criticism of Abbott, or meaningful compliment for the current Labor lot, but you have almost always had something worthwhile to say.

Dear Hassie,

I find there's nothing "worthwhile"
to be said of the man.
He's simply an embarrassment.

STOP PRESS
Hasbeen – I’m offended

After giving Foxy a good growling and reassuring the all would be okay, you bundle me up with a couple of realists like Robert Le Page and Poirot.

That’s not fair; I reckon I’m just as delusional as the coalition press brigade.

Don’t forget only 45.55% wanted the Rabbott and his mob and other choices were not real flash. Just think where the coalition would be if the electorate had a quality alternative under a proportional system. I know this country would be better off.

OTB am I BTT?

Keep dreaming Producer, because in order to have a replacement government, first you have to have a credible oppersition, Anna Bligh and Peter Beaty proved that for years.

Foxy, surely you have to give some credit for doing in six months what Rudd, Gillard then Rudd again couldn't achieve in six years, that's stopping the boats.

If Abbott achieves nothing else in his first term, that's an achievement that will save us billions on it's own, because god knows where those incompetents would have ended up with their softly softly, let's talk about it approach.

Few posses a big stick, even fewer are game enough to use it. The people will remember this for many terms to come so if labor have any ambitions to get reelected in the next few terms, they have to move mountains, not to mention throw out the faceless men and give more say to their members and supporters alike.

Bills made the first move by wanting to disown the unions. Whether or not that's just words remains to be seen.

Dear rehctub,

How do we know the boats have stopped coming?
We're not told how many set out for Australia. Or
how many people have drowned en route, or anything else.
"Out of sight out of mind," seems to be take
on things, and keeping things secret
doesn't mean anything has actually changed.
The Coalition had their chance to really do something
positive when the Malaysian Solution was being considered.
They missed a great opportunity.
Desperate people are not going to stop coming no matter
what we're being told.

What is needed and would cost a lot less is for Australia
to set up processing centres in the countries from which
the people are leaving. At the moment people have nowhere
they can lodge their applications - hence the attempted
journeys to get out. And these are not about to stop
any time soon.

Yes, butcher one imagines that you'd be impressed by the Abbott govt's skill in stuffing people into orange pods and towing them out to sea, presiding over gulags and not cooperating when murder and mayhem arise in them.

Their latest lily-livered directive to get people to dob on their mates if they criticise Our Glorious Tones is truly magnificent - I suppose if we're going to toss away our values and freedoms, that's the way to do it.

Hail Tones, Peta and Co - weak of character and integrity - strong on the nose.

*If Abbott achieves nothing else in his first term, that's an achievement that will save us billions on it's own*

Of course we must not count the cost of this offshore concentration camp business, which is in the billions must we?

It is quite alright though to bring in hundreds of thousands of migrants and 457 visa workers.
Without a huge pool of workers it will not be possible to reduce wages.

If the number of "boat people" was subtracted from the number of "legal" migrants it would be a whole lot cheaper for us.
If the camps were in Australia the cost of building and operating them would stay in Australia.

Sorry to rain on your parade but this boat people lark is a grand way to take everyone's minds off the real issues.

Producer,

What is outstanding for you are those questions you haven't answered and are avoiding,

<Producer, "I wonder if Arthur will get the same short shift as Peter got from his colleagues if he is proved wanting"

Arthur who? Peter who? What exactly do you mean by that statement?>

Obviously you intend a smear, so out with it.

'afternoon to you all...

I too would like to see the return of BELLY ! Though we were diametrically opposed politically, I've always valued his honesty, principles and courteousness, as well as his self-deprecating ways whenever he was discussing a topic, other then his beloved Labour Party. So should you be reading any of this BELLY, please return ASAP, as you're greatly missed by many of the contributors herein !

Now to the topic at hand ? Which leader are we referring too, might I ask ? If it's Bill Shorten, I don't consider anyone in Labour are 'leaders' per se ? It's those who are deeply ensconced behind the scenes, and who prescribe precisely what Labour will do and not do ? It's these individuals who are the true leadership, albeit illegitimately ? And it's for this reason I believe, that Labour seemed to have lost their direction, as well as a little of their hitherto 'champion of the worker's rights' reputation ?

Notwithstanding that Mr Shorten has strongly indicated that he was about to manifestly distance the Parliamentary Party from the domination and influence of the Trade Unions, until that becomes a reality, I sincerely believe that Parliamentary Labour, will ALWAYS be controlled and orchestrated by those famed 'faceless' men ?

It's probably too early to judge Mr Shorten as a potential leader, either good or bad ? Most certainly, despite a few minor blunders, Tony Abbott is a proven leader, without doubt. The only thing that I don't quite get ? Why is he so intractably hated even despised ? As an ordinary bloke, he seems OK to me !

o sung wu,

Forgive me if I disagree.

Tony Abbott is followed about incessantly by his puppeteer, Peta Credlin.
She's the one running the show and doing her best with the material at hand.

Abbott, for some unexplained reason has managed to pull it off with help from Murdoch, etc....but he's certainly not the sort of fellow who fits the "Great Leader" mold in any way shape or form.

He's a marionette - and he's bandied about by the facilitator, Credlin, on behalf of the LNP machine and the IPA.

His ridiculous stab at elitism by autonomously deciding to reinstate knights and dames pretty well sums up his style when left to his own devices.

OTB – If I wanted to be really, really silly I could say something like.

Well if you answer mine first, I’ll answer yours.

You just ignore that, I’m not serious; it’s just an example of silliness.

Your lack of ability to debate is not worth my time.

You and your mate’s just carry on with you partisan press releases and I will comment appropriately when I choose.

O sung wu – You are clearly not a lefty. I don’t know in what context you speak of Tony Abbott. As a bloke I to would consider him ordinary but I do not know him personally. As the leader of a Government that only 45.55% of voters in this country wanted who controls a disproportionate 60% (90 seats) he does not have any mandate to do what he and his cronies are doing I have little time or respect for them.

As for BELLY, I to hope he has the stomach to return. Perhaps he could come back with a new handle. I believe GUTS is available.

I was surprised to learn that Peta Credlin is a country girl, hailing from Wycheproof, a tiny locale in NW Victoria. Here is a photo of the local station,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wycheproof_railway_station

Peta went to school in Geelong after her parents moved near there.

My hat is off to this very able and presentable woman who has made her way through ability, grit and hard work.

Most taxpayers would wish her well and fervently hope for many more like her.

What a stark contrast there is between Peta Credlin and the time-wasting purveyors of speculative gossip and dirt who would try to bring her down in the hope of creating some short term political embarrassment for their real political target.

osung wu, I understand what you are asking. It seems to be a carry over
from when he first became leader and the government was worried that
a straight forward, lifesaver, Rural Fire Service member, competative
bike rider, suburban bloke who was married with children was too much
of a match to the average bloke in the street.
Then when he got stuck into the PM and various ministers, well that was too much.
They thought up Dr No as a response, forgetting their similarity in
their opposition Howard years, and now Bill Shorten is doing a repeat of Dr No !
Of course his big ears and funny walk really got them going. A cartoonists delight !
The only thing I wish he would stop is waving his hands around while he talks.
It is really all good entertainment.

Hi there POIROT...

Very nice to speak with you again Poirot. I've got to agree with you with respect to this reinstatement of some of these Imperial Honours, Knighthoods etc. somewhat of an anachronistic proposal I would've thought.

So you're saying that it's his Chief of Staff, Ms Peta CREDLIN, is the power behind the throne ? Together with his penchant for circumventing normal Cabinet protocol, by creating Dukes & Dutchesses etc, suggests he lacks the necessary wherewithal for quality leadership. Suppose for a moment I concede that you're perhaps right ? Who in the existing Parliamentary Labour Party then, has the makings of a good leader ? And to extrapolate that, a good Prime Minister ? Nice speaking with you again Poirot too.

@Producer, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 5:42:36 PM

You could come back as 'gutless' for not even having the intestinal fortitude to name the worthy Australian you smeared by association but refused even to name.

Here again,

<Producer, "I wonder if Arthur will get the same short shift as Peter got from his colleagues if he is proved wanting"

Arthur who? Peter who? What exactly do you mean by that statement?>

Obviously you intended a smear, so out with it.

Good evening to you PRODUCER and BAZZ...

Hi there PRODUCER...

I've not met Tony ABBOTT either, but to be quite truthful with you I do support two of his major policy positions. The first is to reduce our national debt. The second is to halt illegal boat people, or to be more precise, to interdict 'people trafficking' and in so doing, make available more space to accommodate many of those poor souls who've been languishing (patiently) for some years, in some of the world's less then opulent refugee camps, in order to be resettled in a safe and welcoming country.

'evening to you BAZZ...

I kind of agree with you concerning some of the unique mannerisms and peculiar body language, Tony ABBOTT employs occasionally ? Perhaps initially he was shy ? Who knows ? Though, somehow I've got this feeling that he may well surprise many of his detractors/critics with flashes of brilliance ? He's certainly demonstrated his capacity for human kindness and other acts of compassion as evidenced by his activities in many of the country's civil services eg Bushfire Brigade, Lifesaving and his Yearly visitations to remote aboriginal settlements, undertaking both manual and leadership tasks, thereat.

I reckon our PM., Mr Anthony ABBOTT may well turn out to be a surprise packet ? His academic achievements are beyond reproach, so the only detectable flaws his critics seem to be able to identify, are that of his personality ? As you've inferred, his gait, even his appearance and his peculiar mannerisms and gestures ? Well BAZZ, we'll see in the fullness of time I guess ?

Yeah, otb...save it on the subject of Ms Credlin.

I'm sure she went to school and worked hard and what not.

She's Abbott's constant spirit in a govt that in my opinion is rabid right-wing in the extreme. You know she rules the Cabinet room with an iron fist - and Tones can barely tie his shoe laces without a directive from her.

Here's what she said when she "got off" her drink-driving charge:

"Justice doesn't have to be done, it has to be seen to be done."

Nice one

.......

o sung wu,

Good question...maybe Albanese or Burke, but at the moment I'm unsure of Labor in respect of their Asylum Seeker policy.

But I'll support anyone who stands up to this lying govt and their deceptive ways.

Bill Shortone is a blotting paper that soaks up all the spilled milk.
What is he to do now his mum-in-law is out of a job?

Don't worry too much about them chrisgaff1000, between them they will be ripping a couple of hundred thousand a year out of the rest of us, for life.

And Poirot reckons the present government are rip off merchants.

Hasbeen,

Hohoho...your mob doesn't even wait till they've left the job.

Remember the LNP rort-a-thon that was exposed shortly after they took office....all nicely taken care of by the Minchin Protocol.

I lost count of the number of LNP pollies who were embroiled in dubious claims...involving many thousands of tax payer dollars.

So, yeah, they're rip-off merchants.

‘morning rehctub,

Seems like you’ve drawn quite a bit of fire from the progressives? It’s interesting that they are consistent in one thing, they all telegraph the issues that pain them.

That’s great for target practice of course but there does seem to be more than a little panic in their ranks.

To survive in Australia, our progressives need a “permissive” environment. This includes support from public broadcasting and much of the MIA MSM, humanities academia, political movements with which they can form parasitic relationships and bucket loads of garlic to fend off that nasty public scrutiny.

They sense the collapse of this permissive environment but fail to realize that it is their own words and deeds that expose who and what they are, whilst at the same time destroying their own fading “cred” with the public.

They still believe they can win the ideological war but have not yet recognized they are fighting the wrong battles, which will be fought on economic grounds through the expense review and productivity commission.

It will be very simple for the government to identify that which does not produce a return on investment. I expect the ABC to be exposed along the very same lines as the trade unions. Universities will lose funding for both non-core academic research through the ARC and student ratio funding for universities, so fewer humanites academics.

As for the political party’s with which they have parasitic relationships, the RC will leave very little for parasites to feed off as the law and public scrutiny destroys their hosts, and Poof goes the permissive environment!

Now if you were a progressive, wouldn’t you get animated, vocal, aggressive and louder?

Non-progressives are often berated on OLO for not being thinkers, low on intellect, poorly educated and in denial. Yet these are the elites that can’t even see right battle field!

It’s far too late for them now of course, but their “whining squalkertariat turbines” will be with us for a while yet as the last of their ideological fuel is exhausted in the wrong battle

Spinner – you’re a bit late to the party, thought you would eventually come in. I predicted your appearance last Monday, I thought you had let me down.

Great to see amongst your rhetoric words like “parasitic”, “produce” and “parasites”, there’s hope yet.

All we have to do now is work on the context.

Not parasitic = Agriculture and manufacturing.

Parasitic = Political parties and spin doctors.

Produce = Food and shelter

Non Produce = Law and banking

Good Parasite = Doctor and policeman

Bad parasite = Eddie and Arthur

All this denigration of the Abbott government has been mainly devoted to broad brush condemnation without reference to their many actual achievements in what has been a hectic five months. For a carefully compiled list of these achievements to date it is worth studying and bookmarking the following (and adding to the chronicle anything that has been omitted):

http://theaimn.com/2014/04/09/tracking-abbotts-wrecking-april-update/

Empoeror Julian,

Aside from attempting to axe carbon pricing and Hockey's pantomime on Australia's fiscal health can you name me any area where the govt hasn't deceived or misled by omission?

In almost every area they are lobbing surprises - things they never mooted prior to the election (and to people like me they aren't surprises at all)

Tones is gung-ho for repeatedly holding pressers on MH370, each time with very scant new info in an increasingly ludicrous effort to deflect from this govt's weasel-like policy initiatives...noting that pensioners are set to get it in the neck now.

They didn't hint about that in their lies and slogans pamphlets.

Nice bit of hocus-pocus from the tatty circus called the Abbott govt.

Poirot asks: "Aside from attempting to axe carbon pricing and Hockey's pantomime on Australia's fiscal health can you name me any area where the govt hasn't deceived or misled by omission?"

Sorry. I've racked my brains and I'm afraid I can't. For a party that lied us into war I'm not confident I ever will. Others might manage though as there is quite a steady stream of praise as distinct from complaints about other parties.

Emperor Julian

All this adulation of the Abbott government has been mainly devoted to broad brush promotion without reference to their many actual short comings in what has been a hectic five months. Unfortunately there is no carefully compiled list of these short comings to date.

There is stuff the Rabbott and his mob have done that is positive, but the opposite is true also.

The previous government also have achieved many positive things, amongst the disasters.

The issue I have is that only 45.55% of my fellow voters wanted this mob. The Rabbott heads a minority government. The coalition does not have a mandate as they claim nor for that matter does any other party.

Whatever way you spin it, we do not have a house of representatives.

Hi Producer,

Many thanks for your invitation to “join in” when you said last Monday << Come in spinner it’s your turn! >>.

I guess nobody expected you to actually respond to content rather than to just “slag off” so we are not disappointed.

I could ask again if you feel that the permissive environment you used to enjoy still exists? I could ask if you still think the ideological battle that you think you are fighting is valid against an economic strategy? I could ask if you think you might be getting more animated, vocal, aggressive and louder?

I have discounted any such responses for several reasons. You don’t understand what a “permissive environment” is, you haven’t worked out the difference between ideology and economics, you don’t read or comprehend and you don’t understand why your borrowed opinion is no longer gaining traction, mostly because you are a useful idiot and just spoiling for a fight but don’t know why.

Words are the means by which we communicate, they describe who and what we are. In your case you conjure up an image we often see on a Saturday night out from about 11.00 pm.

The archetypal “bov ver boy”, trying to intimidate by threats and abuse. The sort that wears droopy pants with the crotch between the knees (or Poo pants as we call them), long brown socks and ankle length sneakers with a the “Convex” logo, shirt removed and tucked into the waistband at the back, face furniture, a silly haircut that says “ I is wot I is, right? Circling some poor unsuspecting people trying to enjoy a night out as this belligerent “thing” with it’s runny nose and sweaty face calls out to everyone “come on then mate, lets bring it on, right”.

The ending is inevitable, metaphorically speaking. (you can look it up).

You end up getting monstered by the boys in Blue as a social hazard and carted off to the Watch House, or some weedy looking father of three walks up to you and “snotts” you right between the eyes.

Cont’d

Cont’d

At which point the audience cheers the courage of the meek as your worthless carcass is dumped in the meat wagon to waste some perfectly good space at the local emergency unit before being carted of to the local nick.

The ending is inevitable, metaphorically speaking. (you can still look it up).

There are many on OLO that enjoy watching the spectacle of Turkeys like you lining up for Thanksgiving. That said, there are many just like you on OLO who have absolutely no idea what Thanksgiving is, let alone the significance of “Turkey”.

I feel genuinely sorry that our education system specifically and our society in general has failed you. The opportunity for you is that if anything I have characterized is in any way a relevant to you, then it is long past time for you to review your life. Do you want to be the guy who gets snotted? ( metaphorically speaking of course, have you looked that up yet?) And do you want to be accepted by society and any potential employers?

If you don’t wish to be a contributing member of our society and have no intention to work for a living, then please feel free to continue with your current attitude. The shift away from social parasites is a heart warming phenomena. Many Australians are now heartily sick of funding progressive Unions, NGO’s, humanities academia, Marxist, Communist, Trotsky, Fabian, Deep Greens and their public broadcaster/Fairfax “spruikers” and the current ALP.

I’m fully aware that this post will not be “read” by you, but it will be emotionally “felt”. Accordingly you will not be able to either understand it or respond to it, other than being the “snot” to which we referred earlier.

Your response, or lack thereof, will confirm everything I have leveled against you. You are a dysfunctional member of society who has absolutely no idea why you are dysfunctional.

Unless of course you can enlighten us

Poirot, if you want to play that stupid tit for tat game you so love, just answer how many lefty leaders, deputy leaders, & other ranks, are in prison for their pedophilia?

It is not wise to throw rocks, when your opposition have boulders to throw back.

Want a few mining leases, I've heard some lefties have some for sale.

Do grow up girl.

My, my, my Spinner that was a big dummy spit metaphorically speaking (you too can look that up if you want). I think you may have mellowed a bit in my absence.

I fully understand you would find abhorrent the concept of the great unwashed being granted their fair share of democratic rights.

I suppose I should now expect a supporting barrage from another of the press crew?

Hasbeen,

Here's our mealy mouthed deceptive marionette of a Prime Minister before the election.

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2013/s3841545.htm

And I quote:

".... I can assure your listeners that there will be no cuts to health, no cuts to education, no cuts to pensions..."

Lying hound.

He's let Eleventy Joe loose - a fake.

He's let him loose to feign pained expressions and swagger his fiscal pantomimes.

What a bunch of charlatans.

(stay tuned for the next "no-news" report of MH370...just to take your mind off things)

Oh and Hasbeen...

Grow up yourself, mate.

: )

Hi Producer,

Like I said << I’m fully aware that this post will not be “read” by you, but it will be emotionally “felt”. Accordingly you will not be able to either understand it or respond to it, other than being the “snot” to which we referred earlier.>>

Hello Snot, and your response is?

You don’t read and you can’t comprehend,

Next!

Producer,

You have omitted to point out that the figure dropped to 45.5% only after Mr. Rudd appeared briefly back on the scene. It mattered not that the man was toxic for his own party and the rest of this nation. It took just lots of projecting himself as 'one of the boys', and plenty of smiling t.v. exposure to stop the landslide victory which was projected for the Liberal party - despite their leaders lack of charisma.
How easy it was to make the voters fall under that spell, and forget the disasters this man and JG led us all into. Now Abbott has to try and balance the huge budget deficit this self serving pair left us, and is being castigated for trying to redress the deficit he inherited.
This day of reckoning had to come, and of course we will feel the pain. After all it is our money they threw away, and somehow measures must be taken to try and bring us back into balance, and minimising the pain at the same time - a herculean task. Surely, anyone with any commonsense should realise we were given a very costly fool's paradise for too long.
To blame the present government for this is ridiculous. Now that the freebies have reduced the whining begins. Maybe some policy support would prove more advantageous for this nation than picking on personalities - so petty and so trivial!

Lol!, worldwatcher...people like you fall for Hockey's spiel hook, line and sinker.

I bet you buy his pained expressions, and his shoutiness too.

He said not long after becoming Treasure, "We're in good shape. The credit rating is what matters."

He said that.

In the wake of the GFC, one of the lowest debt to GDP ratio's of developed countries, an AAA credit rating, low interest rates, relatively low unemployment, etc..

...and Hockey puts on a pantomime for people like you, who actually think this fake knows what he's on about.

I haven't read too many economists lately who aren't quietly smirking at Hockey's two bit antics.

This from the IMF::

Australia has the dubious honour of having the fastest budget deterioration of 29 advanced economies tracked by the IMF, according to the AFR this morning.

In six months

Yup - he's a rip-snorter, isn't he....

Poirot

You state that Peta Credlin is Abbott's puppeteer.
Without being privy to all the minister's meetings, one has to wonder how you can make these assertations with such authority.
Without you having been in any of these meetings, this could be construed as just a virulent character assassination of a woman doing as good a job as a man could do in her position.
In America the chief of staff is sometimes referred to as the Power behind the Throne, and yes it is a powerful position which a politically savvy woman can fulfil equally as well as a man, and she certainly has the credentials for this position.
I therefore conclude that your sexist statement has no merit in reality.

Poirot,

There you go again! Presuming to know now how other people think.

My dear Poirot, you have absolutely no idea how to debate logically, and how the heck did you manage to bring Joe Hockey into it as well?

Sorry, I have no wish to enter into hysterical ranting with you. When you can enter into an adult reasoning dialogue, I'll be happy to debate with you.

Spinner – You said twice “WE referred earlier”. “WE”? Who is “WE”?

Is this a group effort? Is this “On Line Spin”?

“Snot” I think not but “Pathogen” maybe. For some reason I seem to have got up your nose.

Worldwatcher – 45.55%, is 45.55%, is 45.55%, is a minority no matter how you spin it. You might like to do a hypothetical analysis on how low it would have been if voters had a credible alternative.

The reality is the Rabbott government is a minority government with majority power that disenfranchises a significant percentage of the Australian electorate.

We better be a bit careful as I think there is a risk of getting a BTT from OTB.

My deeeeeear worldwatcher,

".....this could be construed as just a virulent character assassination of a woman doing as good a job as a man could do in her position."

So what?

I'll own up to that...and I don't give a toss whether she's a woman or a man (so you can tuck your sexist angle back in your emergency debating pack)....I don't like "her" policies (straight from the LNP and the IPA)

If you can't construe that she has Abbott and the entire cabinet by the short and curlies - so be it.

Wherever Tones roams, she's there, in Parliament, at pressers. She doesn't leave his side for a moment. Even on official visits she's a few inches from him. Most leaders would at least bring their wives out for an airing once in a while, not Tones who has been accompanied every inch of this tour by Peta - his puppet master.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/control-freak-peta-credlin--accused-of-pulling-coalition-strings-20131204-2yqte.html

(So sorry for bringing the Treasurer into a political discussion - can't imagine what I was thinking.)

Lol!

Just a final word tonight, worldwatcher,

Your comment -
"......how the heck did you manage to bring Joe Hockey into it as well?"

Owing to the fact that you said this:

"....Now Abbott has to try and balance the huge budget deficit this self serving pair left us, and is being castigated for trying to redress the deficit he inherited.
This day of reckoning had to come, and of course we will feel the pain. After all it is our money they threw away, and somehow measures must be taken to try and bring us back into balance, and minimising the pain at the same time - a herculean task. Surely, anyone with any commonsense should realise we were given a very costly fool's paradise for too long."

And then you wonder why I would include Hockey in my argument - he is the Treasurer and architect of the govt's forthcoming budget.

Care to explain why this govt has bolstered the deficit by a whopping $68 billion since last September - nearly doubling Labor's average for a similar period.

Seems a strange thing to do if the situation is as dire as Eleventy Joe would have you believe - do you consider him fiscally irresponsible under the circumstances

‘morning Poirot,

You said << Australia has the dubious honor of having the fastest budget deterioration of 29 advanced economies tracked by the IMF, according to the AFR this morning. >>

You forgot to mention that this IMF assessment is based on Wayne Swans last MYEFO delivered by Joe Hockey on Tuesday, December 7th, 2013.

It may well be the case that Joe is leaving Wayne Swan’s forecast on the table to slam dunk the difference in the ALP and LNP budget when it is announced. But that’s just politics and it seems you have missed the significance of it.

Perhaps if you cut back on the AFR, Crikey, ABC and The Guardian you might just get an inkling of what is actually going on because the AFR certainly hasn’t spotted it?

I guess we will know on budget night just who allowed their political judgment to be clouded by their own vilification?

There is a certain joy in not interrupting the enemy whilst they are making mistakes.

‘morning Producer,

My apologies for my omission and thanks for highlighting it.

You said << I fully understand you would find abhorrent the concept of the great unwashed being granted their fair share of democratic rights >>.

Your persecution complex relating to being “denied your democratic rights” is naturally distressing however, it is no excuse for being not washing.

Perhaps if you stopped insisting that under arm deodorant is an optional extra, you might meet some nice people.

Phew!

spindoc,

"You forgot to mention that this IMF assessment is based on Wayne Swans last MYEFO delivered by Joe Hockey on Tuesday, December 7th, 2013."

Sorry to pop your bubble on that one, but MYEFO delivered by Hockey was an exercise in him cooking the books.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/hockey-is-cooking-the-books-bowen-20140326-35h3a.html

"Mr Bowen has now released analysis from the Parliamentary Budget Office (PBO), which he says shows the governments inflated debt and deficit projections in its mid-year economic and fiscal outlook (MYEFO)."

Here's the good bit:

"The PBO forecast 2023/24 net debt to be $260 billion less than the $370 billion estimated in the MYEFO released by the government in November.

The PBO also project the budget would be in surplus by $34 billion by 2023/24, compared to the $12 billion deficit forecast in the government's fiscal outlook."

I understand that you believe Hockey is man of integrity and only writes fairy stories for a hobby....I think, however, that it won't be long before you realise his true potential for theatrical deception. (good luck with that)

Meanwhile, while we're on the subject of leaders on the nose, could you righties stop that silly little man, Abbott, from grandstanding on MH370 - he's now making comments which subseqeuntly have to be corrected by Houston.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/tony-abbott-very-confident-signals-are-from-mh370-black-boxes-20140411-36hi4.html

And could you also get some comfort out there to all those pensioners who voted for Abbott without realising they were about to be taken to the cleaners.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/tony-abbott-accused-of-breaking-promise-on-pension-age-20140411-36im7.html

‘morning Poirot,

Nice footwork Poirot. So “You Think You Can Dance”?

We all note that you didn’t acknowledge my statement that this was in fact Swan’s MYEFO that was assessed by the IMF?

Instead you did the old Ah but, yeh but, no but, well but!

It doesn’t matter if the SMH accused Joe of cooking the books because that was from the SMH and they don’t get it either, are you now trying to blame the SMH for telling porkies to you?

The fact remains that your IMF quote was based on Swan’s last MYEFO. So who’s bubble just got popped Poirot?

spindoc,

Pull the other one, the IMF were looking at what's happened in the last six months.

From AFR - "Australia has posted the fastest budget deterioration over the past six months of any of the world’s 29 most advanced economies tracked by the International Monetary Fund."

Joe hockey has presided over the fastest budget deterioration anywhere in the advanced world. The report shows the effect of Mr Hockey doubling the budget deficit, adding $68 billion over the forward estimates in MYEFO.

And if you really wish to grasp the deception bandied around by our esteemed Treasurer and his MSM minions, then you might like to take on board his and their recent sleight-of-hand passed off in the media as a "Treasury Analysis", a paper full of doom and gloom, prepared by "his" Media Adviser, Gemma Daley.

It wasn't a "Treasury Analysis" at all.

It was more of Hockey's spin paving the way for Hockey's budget.

Poirot,

Pascoe, “what’s with the International Monetary Fund publishing an out-of-date forecast for the Australian economy?”

“As it was summarised by the AFR, the IMF officially reckons the Australian “economy is likely to remain in the doldrums this year and next” with GDP growth of 2.6 per cent in 2014 and 2.7 per cent in 2015, according to the forecasts released on Tuesday night.

Excuse me – the Australian economy is in the doldrums? That’s not what the Australian Bureau of Statistics is saying. Yet the IMF report was dutifully and widely reported as if it was credible news.

The IMF view is pretty much in line with the doom-laden forecasts of Treasury’s mid-year economic and fiscal outlook (MYEFO) way back in early December.

Since the MYEFO show, our economic indicators have been overwhelmingly on the positive side with a very good chance that the 2013-14 financial year will show trend growth or better – an extraordinary achievement.”

Like I said, the IMF used the old Swan MYEFO as their base line, it’s out of date until the next budget.

Try again Poirot.

If it was not for Hockeys spending we would be 64.4 billion better off.
Our GDP has gained 26 billion in six months but they have spent 64.4 B.
That is gigantic spending in six months. Our gains in GDP are going nowhere.

spindoc,

"Try again Poirot."

Okey-dokey...how's this...

Pascoe - "It's getting harder and harder for the Treasurer and Minister for Gloom, Joe Hockey, to keep faking it. No matter how much he scowls, the evidence keeps mounting that his MYEFO (mid-year economic and fiscal outlook) forecasts were a crock.

The latest exhibits for the defence of the Australian economy are today's building approvals and balance of payments numbers. Our net goods and services surplus soared 30 per cent to $10.75 billion in the December quarter. Dwelling unit approvals in January rose by 1.3 per cent in trend terms and 6.8 per cent seasonally adjusted over the previous month to be ahead a whopping 28 and 35 per cent respectively over the year.

And these are just the latest numbers showing that the mid-year economic and fiscal outlook was overly pessimistic. The reporting season showed earnings up nicely, government revenue is growing more than expected and tomorrow's national accounts should show a good rise in labour productivity that is likely to be up by more again next quarter.

So where's the "budget crisis" Hockey was sprouting last May, or the more general "budget emergency" that has become a government catch cry? It doesn't exist as advertised."

http://www.smh.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/on-the-budget-and-the-economy-joe-hockey-is-faking-it-20140304-341qf.html

Hockey is continually talking down the healthy economy Labor left in place (while ratcheting up the deficit which the IMF was tracking)...strange shonk, he is.

How's that?

Positive economic data upsets Hockey's doom and gloom budget narrative
The GDP figures showed annual productivity rose 1.7% in trend terms – reversing a mild decline over the past 12 months. But even better, looking over a longer term, which is much better at gauging the state of productivity as it can bounce up and down a fair bit, five yearly productivity growth is at its highest point since 2005.
Remember when the Fair Work Act was going to kill productivity due to excessive regulation and inflexibility? Yeah, relegate that prediction to the same bin as the wages boom.
Today’s figures show nominal GDP growing annually by 4.4% in trend terms and 4.8% seasonally adjusted. At the current rate, nominal GDP looks good to be at least one percentage point higher than predicted in the Myefo. That will lead to a much better tax revenue – especially when you consider private corporation profits rose 2.8% in the past 12 months – the best result since 2011.

‘morning Poirot,

Like I said, the IMF used the old Swan MYEFO as their base line, it’s out of date until the next budget. That’s why the IMF is in so much trouble with Canberra.

No amount of Fairfax opinion will change that.

Why don’t you stop digging, you’ve already reached rock bottom. Just swallow your omission and move on.

Lol!...spindoc,

In the end it doesn't really matter because Eleventy Joe is going to do his thing anyway.

Less see what sort of diabolical mess this charlatan can deliver in May.

Was it Carr who described Abbott as a "cheapskate hypnotist in a rundown circus"?

I think that applies equally to the swaggering fakery of Joe.

Btw, talking of leaders on the nose....
http://www.afr.com/p/national/abbott_on_the_nose_in_regions_CsYqkyHwx2hO6PPGOaY0eP

So what to do with a leader who's on the nose. Well here in NSW we had such a leader until he fell on his sward today. The Lying Liberal Leader Barry O'Farrell was exposed today as telling bare-faced lies at the ICAC. Like the NSW Labor Party the State Liberal Party is being exposed as a haven for the corrupt and dishonest. Liberal king pin Nick Di Girolamo was described as an "old-fashioned shyster fraudster" and "bare-faced liar" a title O'Farrell has been quick to grab. The 2015 NSW election can't come quick enough when the voters will be given another opportunity to kick the crap out of yet another rotten bunch, not the Labor rabble which got theirs in 2011, but this time the Liberal State Government will get what they deserve. The only alternative is to vote Greens or independents for honesty and integrity.