A group called Fairness In Religions In School has paid for a billboard depicting Jesus and a dinosaur to be displayed in a Melbourne suburb.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/billboard-dinosaur-triggers-row-over-religious-instruction-in-schools/story-fni0fit3-1226863680579

They are campaigning to get volunteer Special Religious Instructors out of our state schools. Many of these volunteers are provided by Access Ministries.

“There has been opposition to the content and activities provided by Access Ministries. They have been criticised for teaching children unscientific creationist songs, providing children with material claiming girls who wear revealing clothes are inviting sexual assault, and that homosexuality, masturbation and sex before marriage are sinful, and for a comic book that was said to imply that teachers were either too lazy or callous to help children unless God intervenes.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access_Ministries

I certainly am not against primary school children being exposed to religious studies, my concern is that they are being left in classrooms with volunteers who have done as little as 6 hours study and who can come from creationist backgrounds.

Fairness In Religions In School's aims are as follows;

“Maintain an inclusive school curriculum that does not require any student to withdraw from class on account of different religious beliefs.

Formally cease the practice of volunteer-run special religious instruction (SRI) during school hours.

Follow an objective, fair and balanced comparative syllabus for education about religions and beliefs.

Treat all religious organisations who wish to use the school facilities outside of the school day with transparent and equitable policies.”
http://religionsinschool.com/

Ultimately primary school years are formative for our children so exposing them to possible anti-science and anti-tolerant views are risks that should not be taken lightly.

Just to follow on here is Access Ministries' “CRE Curriculum Overview 2014”.
http://www.accessministries.org.au/sitebuilder/creteachers/knowledge/asset/files/13/curriculumoverviewvic2014.pdf

It is interesting just how much it attempts to justify each teaching point claiming “Our program actively focuses on the development of personal and community values, such as integrity, resilience, empathy and respect.”

All sterling goals of course but it is when you look at the content of the document you discover just how long the bow is.

For instance in aiming to impart the values of “Community, Integrity, Understanding, Tolerance and Inclusion” the so called 'Big Idea' is “Learning about the natural world”.

How exactly is this purportedly achieved? Through exposing children to the following message; “The world is an amazing place created by God. I can explore it through my senses. God made me.”

Ouch! And that was for the 4-6 year age group.

In the 6-8 group the values of “Responsibility, Freedom, Environmental Sustainability” were to come from the idea of 'Celebrations', specifically “Students hear the Christian stories of Easter and Christmas.”

I'm sorry but I regard this document as a very poor attempt at gilding the lily. To be dressing up what is essentially a soft indoctrination into a religious faith as providing strong curriculum outcomes is patently ridiculous.

Dear SteeleRedux,

I wouldn't be that concerned about these primary
school children. I was raised as a Catholic, and
I'd like to think it did not stunt my mental growth.
After-all we grow and mature and make our own choices
later in our lives. However having a religious upbringing
did give me a spiritual base for which I
am grateful. It gave me a sense of belonging
and a belief system to guide my behaviour.

I'm probably not a good Catholic to-day - because
I don't like what organised religion has done to the
world. However, I would find that life without a
conscious awareness of God would be difficult.

Dear Foxy,

Thank you.

I certainly accept what you see as a positive in your contact with religion within a school setting though I'm not sure the Catholics who were teaching you were young earth creationists.

My two nieces changed schools from a private religious campus to the state school where my children were enrolled. They were really struck by how open and accepting of others their new school was. Contrary to the purported curriculum aims of Access Ministries there is an inescapable result of religious teaching and that is the imparting of a sense of them and us. If someone wants to inflict that on their children by paying for a place at a religious school then I suppose it is their right. But mandating it to be part of what is suppose to be a secular state school education is wrong in my book. At the very minimum parents should be asked to opt in rather than opt out.

Seems obvious the likes of Steelie are still threatened by truth.To think he is happy for the fairytales of evolution and big bang to be included in science.It is obvious that the Christophobes are happy to continue to show their bigotry and closed mindedness to truth. The rottoness of the fruit produced by their godless delusions does not deter them.

SteeleRedux El-Hajj,

Greetings dear friend and ally.

I am mindful of all the good works you have done for our cause on OLO, but I must urge caution in your latest venture.

You have cited in your newest thread, dear friend, the following:
“girls who wear revealing clothes are inviting sexual assault, and that homosexuality, masturbation and sex before marriage are sinful..."

You might well have been talking about one of our many Islamic schools. If fact, I was moved to check our latest recruitment brochure which held similar sentiments fearing you copied it from there. But I was consoled to see our brochure goes into much more detail about divine creation and is much more forceful in its damning of that demon doctrine Darwinism.

Brother, you need to wary of bringing such matters to the attention of the infidels since they might make the extension to our schools --I know you would never do that, but others might well.And as we discussed after our meeting, at the last Eid al-Fitr festival, we must not stir their concerns till our numbers grow.

Allah has no truer defender on OLO that you [and Foxy (PBUH) and Poirot (PBUH) ] --though being male you enjoy an infitinely greater status and responsibility than the latter two mere women and servants of men.

wa 'alaykum salaam!

Keep up the good work and remember 40 doe-eyed virgins await your in the afterlife.

Grand Mufti
Caliphate of Victoria.

Dear SteeleRedux,

I should have explained that
I did send my two boys initially to private
Catholic schools, however my husband and I made
the decision to take them out and they finished
their high school years in a state school.

We did this after several incidents occurred
at their private school and finally - when we asked for an
explanation from the Principal, he went off his head.
We found tha sort of behaviour (plus other things
that we noticed) - unacceptable and hence the decision
to remove our boys. Both of them flourished at this
exceptional state school, both went on to and
completed their university studies, and both are in
professions they love.

We saw our job as parents - to raise decent human
beings. As I've written in the past on this forum.
Decency might sound like a modest ambition, but in today's
culture it is not so easy to achieve as we might think.

Every parent I know lives with the uneasy sense that
their children are growing up too fast, without clear
values or a real code to live by. That was part of the problem
we noticed in the private Catholic Schools. The emphasis
seemed to be more on sport and winning trophies for the
school (good for its reputation) than anything else.
Bullying was rampant. And the elitist behaviour of many
of the boys left a lot to be desired.

We also had to be careful that while we were
spinning our wheels worrying about
"reading, writing, science, and maths," our
children may have been missing the "real basics" like
respect, loyalty, and a sense of fair play.

Survey after survey shows that today's children will be
among the best educated and most privileged in human history,
but as we saw from the private schools - they were being taught
to be willing to do anything it takes to get ahead.

We therefore decided to make the changes. We wanted to
surround our children with a sturdy sensibility, and we
wanted it to be differetn from the "Me" mentality of
modern culture.

Dear runner,

Thank you as always for your constructive input.

Dear SPQR,

My heartfelt congratulations on the new role. I'm a little at a loss how to refer to you now, Grand Mufti seems a little stilted but I'm not sure you would comfortable with 'The Big Moof' or 'Moof to the Max' or even 'The Moofster', so if we may can we keep referring to you just as we have been because where ever life leads you you can be sure that in our thoughts and in our hearts you will always remain, simply, SPQR.

Dear Foxy,

I have a bit to do with teenagers from a prestigious religious school near here and I must say the thing that depresses me most is the overt misogyny displayed by the lads, something I never heard from the same age group from my children's school.

But do I take it you are comfortable with the role of special religious instructors as opposed to teachers of religion having access to our children within the state system? To me it is really an anathema and against what our public system should be about.

Dear SteeleRedux,

I think that religion should not be taught at state
schools. Religion should be a matter for the parents
and their local churches.

Foxyy,
I couldn't agree more.

Dear Foxy,

Sometime a picture is indeed worth a thousand words. This to me perfectly encompasses my main objection to the Access Ministries' document and involvement in our state schools.

http://i.imgur.com/RO9KiEa.jpg

How can teachings be taken as realistic when there is so much against it. It can only be taken as fairytale. The world has existed for millions of years. Best left to science and anthropologist's i say, And certainly not taught in schools.

Dear SteeleRedux,

I see what you mean and agree with you.

My husband was taught by the Christian Brothers
and it turned him off religion for life.

Whereas I who ended up in State Schools ended up
with a strong belief (- which I prefer to keep as a
private matter). I don't have a missionary complex
of any kind.

Actually, I don't believe religion of any type should be permitted to be taught in state schools. Naturally, schools that have been structured and financed by particular religious groups may teach what they like.

What I'd like to see introduced to all schools, both private and public, is a compulsory strand, embracing those areas, espousing non- sectarian, ethics and morality. And pigs may well fly before we ever see a government with the courage to introduce such an academic study ?

I wonder who the god deniers would like teaching ethics. Gillard on right choices, Thompson on the use of public finances, SInger on bestiality, Henson on child porn (sorry art). Maybe we would reap the society we have now. They could teach on how saintly humanity is in their own eyes except for conservatives of course. Then we could have Flannery teaching the evils of flying except for those on warmist junkets.

Sorry folks, a small bit of unpleasantness to attend to, please take no heed.

Dear runner,

Or perhaps George Pell might teach about 'taking care of our most vulnerable'. He might also be a smash on 'just outcomes', 'accepting blame', and 'responsibility'.

Whatever sins you see Hanson as doing they are just a pinprick to protecting child rapists so that they could go and commit their evil on other innocents.

Or do you regard the actions of Gillard, Thompson, Flannery and Singer as being more grave than the Christian child abusers?

Actually no need to reply, the answer is self evident.

Shame.

Apropos my somewhat feeble idea of teaching ethical and morality lessons in schools - naturally, no politician, nor members of any clergy would ever qualify to teach such subjects, they would first need to demonstrate that they themselves have a sense of ethical and moral behaviour, which prima facie, would prove to be a far too tortuous task, I'm afraid.

No religious body, nor any government of any political colour, would qualify to instruct these two vitally important subjects. Because without them, mankind is doomed to self-destruct within a century or two. So who exactly would qualify to impart these vitally important topics, who...?

Religion has very little to say about the beginnings except that God was behind it all, including He giving the sea power to produce sea creatures and birds "Let the sea produce" Genesis 1: 20, and giving the earth power to produce plants Genesis 1: 11 and animals "let the Earth produce" Genesis 1; 24. The only things produced out of nothing were the universe, including our solar system and the higher moral and creative intelligence of man.

Most of what is taught in religion is life examples and moral responsibilities, and a relationship to a higher moral intelligence.

runner I started on a alternate list to help staff those ethics classes. Comprised of christian leaders who have been convicted of seriously unethical behaviour. Decided it was a pointless exercise but plenty of material available.

Any list you make be selectively picking badly behaved non believers can readily be matched by a similar selective picking of people who believe in your god (or have portrayed belief well enough to convince a lot of other believers).

When you get down to it though it's not a honest game. Its selectively portraying the other side by the selective use of examples that bother us and ignoring the majority. From what I've seen most christians are no more scammers or obsessed by child porn than most unbelievers, nor in my experience are christains any more honest or decent in their treatment of others than most unbelievers.

R0bert

SteeleRedux

good to see you are finally able to see all man is corrupt. It certainly taken you some time.

Dear o sung wu,

Thank you for your posts.

You wrote;

“Actually, I don't believe religion of any type should be permitted to be taught in state schools.”

I am actually going to disagree with you on this one I'm afraid. I think religion is so infused within our world that approaching questions about what motivates people to act in a certain manner without some understanding of what religion entails would ultimately hamstrung our youth.

Plus I do have a sense that an understanding of cultural Christianity would allow a better appreciation of certain aspects of the history of this country.

You see I have little problem with a devout Christian or a Moslem, or a Buddist coming to a school to address the children therein. I however think it is vitally important that a trained teacher is there at all times and that those speaking preface their words with 'This is what I believe' rather than 'This is how it is'. Also that the children are very much aware the perspective given is just one of many.

To me one of the greatest contributors to intolerance is ignorance. For instance if children see someone in the street with 'a funny turban' or 'a silly hat and long sideburns' or a 'man wearing a silly dress' what might be a cause for fear or derision may well be viewed in an entirely different light if they had been able to converse with such individuals in a controlled questioning environment.

However these people should not have unattended access to impressionable children in our state schools. The temptation to proselytise must be firmly countered whenever it is evident.

Finally that as a secular nation we have managed to accommodate people from many faiths without the rancour seen in many other countries. It is something that we should continually strive to protect and enhance.

Steele,

You're becoming a right windbag, you're all over OLO huffing and puffing...just a couple of minor issues with your last post,you say:

<<You see I have little problem with a devout Christian or a Moslem, or a Buddist coming to a school to address the children therein. I however think it is vitally important that a trained teacher is there at all times [to moderate things]>>

I must say I don't share your trust in teachers. It has been my experience that a good number of them are just as one-eyed and doctrinaire as the religious figures you seek to protect the children from.

Some of the misinformation I have heard put about to impressible young undergrads would knock your socks off --well, maybe not your socks since it's the sort of guff you put about too...but it would knock the socks off most clear thinking persons, so there is no guaranteed protection in teachers.

And this verges on the very thing I am talking about:
<< one of the greatest contributors to intolerance is ignorance. For instance if children see someone in the street with 'a funny turban' or 'a silly hat and long sideburns' or a 'man wearing a silly dress' what might be a cause for fear or derision may well be viewed in an entirely different light if they had been able to converse with such individuals in a controlled questioning environment.>

It is a natural condition of humans to see things that are different as "funny". The fact that one perceives someones dress or manner as "funny" is not in itself intolerance.

PS Just a question out of left field: have you undertaken a writing/creative writing course of late? The reason why I ask is your level of expression seems to improved markedly over your first incarnation (CSteele) --your content is still at the load of bollocks level --but your style has improved a mark or two.

'afternoon to you STEELEREDUX...

You've stated '...To me, one of the greatest contributors to intolerance is ignorance...' ? I'd not agree with you there. Therefore I'd like to draw your attention to matters we'd discussed some months ago concerning an antithetical view I'd expressed, as to whether or not, these Islamic people would make consummate immigrants for this country ?

Prior to my work as a detective amongst these Islamic conclaves and hordes, within Sydney's Bankstown region and it's environs, I was like most Aussies, somewhat ambivalent as to whether a non Christian group would make an affirmative addition to our (Australian) culture and way of life ? After some very adverse exposure to these people, I further asserted, it was my strongly held belief, all Islamic ideology, was both irreconcilable and incompatible with our definitive and classic lifestyle. Moreover, Islam was in direct opposition to our more importantly held values, and principles.

You see STEELEREDUX, my absolute intolerance of Islam is not borne out of ignorance, rather that of knowledge. A knowledge thoroughly gained, by a protracted exposure to some of Sydney's worst Islamic criminals ! A more destructive group, to good urban unity and cohesion, then you'd ever wish to find ?

Dear SPQR,

You wrote;

“You're becoming a right windbag”

Interesting, straight to DEFCON 4. I suspect these exchanges are becoming a little tiresome for the other readers but hell, in for a penny in for a pound as they say.

As you seem intent to follow me “all over OLO huffing and puffing” I think it is incumbent on me to try and instil some basic principles of clear thinking and concise argument.

I invite you to read through your post and try and pick up where if fails. I hope you are able to see there was no attempt to address, or offer an opinion, on the topic at hand,

Every other poster on this thread set out their own view on whether religion should be taught in schools (the post from runner the only exception). You failed to do so.

Whatever you may think about teachers a 4 year degree course would prepare someone in the role of a teacher to a far greater extent than a 6 hours of RI instruction costing the participant $15.

If you feel the point is 'bollocks' and 'guff' then fine, but to me, and I suspect the majority of readers, would see this as a waste of time.

As to 'funny' hats kids do grow into young men and women and some play football.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/footy-trip-race-attack-probe/2006/10/17/1160850895893.html

I would argue that had these lads been given the opportunity to get to know an orthodox Jew in a classroom setting, and being encouraged to understand why they dress and act the way they do, then this behaviour would have either not occurred or been pulled up very quickly by others on the bus. Unlike runner I think most human beings are generally kind and empathetic toward others when given the chance.

As to my writing style I thank you. I had felt it had become a touch more bombastic as since the early days I have succumbed to the temptation to throw back what ever is chucked my way. Perhaps you have a predilection for bombast that may well be clouding you judgement.

Dear o sung wu,

I'm not sure we need to unsheath the broad-swords over this again so permit me to make this point.

My experiences growing up in Asian as a teenager, going to schools where the largest majority of the student body were from an Islamic culture, and mixing with Muslim families on a social level, is a far cry from your experiences of dealing with the criminal element in Sydney.

Interacting with people of the Muslim faith in my current location and time of life has only served to strengthen my knowledge that these people are very much like the rest of us, with many of the same hopes, dreams, aspirations and problems blessing or besetting the rest of us all.

Therefore I hope we can both appreciate we have different perspectives and that they shape our individual world outlook in unique ways.

So to paraphrase your good self 'I assert, it is my strongly held belief, the Muslim religion, is both reconcilable and compatible with our definitive and classic lifestyle. Moreover, Islam is not in direct opposition to our more importantly held values, and principles.'

I hope I appreciate how racist tendencies or stereotyping may well be harder to keep at bay on the job so to speak. I'm sure if you were seconded to LA police force to deal with the gang culture there you would have to a strong person not to succumb to adopting a jaundiced view of Latinos for instance. In my view it is akin to a workplace injury.

But I also know such views can be destructive and divisive and it is something I will continue to speak against.

Kind regards,

SteeleRedux

Hi (again) STEELEREDUX...

Now that puts quite a different perspective on where you're coming from I believe ? Having been raised in Indonesia (perhaps?) I do fully appreciate the views and opinions you hold, much more clearly now I think.

There's no doubt, they the Indonesians are quite a warm, generous group when your have a need to deal with them individually. In fact they're probably more giving than us, in reality ?

Accordingly, it's appropriate that I now gracefully defer further comment apropos the suitability or otherwise, for Islamic settlement in this country. However this apparent capitulation should not be seen as extending to those individuals, who happen to reside in the Middle East, not by a long shot.

Steele,

You have demonstrated my point, you have shown yourself to be (what Tony Abbott might describe as) a "suppository" of misinformation.

We’ll go through your issues , one at a time:

1) You chose to open this thread with an attack on some FRINGE GROUP Christians who you feared might be given access to present their sexual mores and anti-evolution material to pupils. Their religious instruction was to take place a few hours per week. So minor, it was hardly be much of an influence –- you protested loudly.
Yet, the same mores are MAINSTREAM and CORE values in many bigger non-Christian groups and are being presented full-on in their religious schools (AND by their representatives when they visit to instruct children at state schools) -- you made no acknowledgement of it (till I twisted your arm).
Some might say, well, that was perhaps just an oversight, or perhaps this particular incident caught Steele’s attention . But having followed your posts over a long period I have come to note a propensity on your part to miss criticism-worthy acts by non-Christian (and non-Jewish)religious groups.

2) You brought up the issue people laughing at others who look or act differently. I made (rather tame) point that humans generally will find amusement in someone who looks or act differently. But like others of your persuasion you tried to make it an sermon on inter-ethnic relations. Implying such was the reason why so many distrusted Muslims *to know them is to love them*. And then linked to some newspaper report that gives a very hearsay account of what is *alleged* to be a racially motivated attack. And tried to make capital out of it ala *if only the alleged attackers had gotten to know the alleged victim this would never have happened*

3) Then there’s this bit of guff : “My experiences growing up in Asia…" It appears that your experience of Indonesia was very limited—rather like living on the north shore of Sydney and telling those in the western suburbs to put up with it --see here:

“The number of violations of Christians' religious rights in Indonesia reached 40 in the first five months of the year, nearly two-thirds the amount of anti-Christian actions in all of last year….

The Christian minority in Indonesia faced 64 cases of violations of religious freedom last year, up from 47 in 2010, said Theophilus Bela, president of the group. Bela said he was worried about the growing incidence of violence and church closures, as his group recorded just 10 anti-Christian incidents in 2009. There were 40 such incidents in 2008, he said.

At least 22 churches have been forced to close this year, including 18 in the Singkil regency of Aceh Province that were sealed last month, as local authorities either sided with or came under pressure from extremist Islamist groups in this Southeast Asian archipelago that is home to the world's largest Muslim population, according to Bela.

The closures in Aceh followed last month's election of a hard-line Islamic governor. Bela said that after his organization's intervention the closed churches in Aceh began worshipping again on May 13, but unconfirmed reports indicate other churches in the area have since been forced to close.
http://www.persecution.org/2013/03/08/rising-intolerance-across-indonesia-leads-to-violent-attacks-against-christians/

So okay, you haven’t lived in Indonesia for some time –but you could hardly have missed that Indonesia was not the sort of window display of Islamic tolerance you were (MIS)leading us to believe!

Notice a common tilt in your posts?

Dear o sung wu,

I thank you for appreciating my position and hopefully I have expressed some small understanding of how you may have come to your own. I do not consider either of us 'capitulating'.

I think it is a natural human tendency to 'tar with the same brush'. It takes thought and effort to move to a better grasp of what is reality.

I'm involved in coaching junior sports and interact with Sudanese lads who are an absolute joy to see play as well as being polite and respectful to their seniors (like me). The show great heart and humour, have big ready grins, and a love for athletic movement which is infectious. But I am not blind to reports of problems in other places, especially the more depressed areas, involving the same demographic.

I do not think Australia is in a great place right now. The 'boat people' issue has been exploited by both our major parties in their hunger for power and this has in turn impacted attitudes toward our new citizens. It was really sobering to watch Q&A last Monday night when there was a small moment at the end where the four international guests briefly reflected among themselves a sense of surprise at where this nation, so long regarded as a leader in tolerance and human rights, was now headed.

I happen to think we are capable of much better.

Dear The Big Moof SPQR,

Sorry mate, I was trying to figure out why you are getting so cranky and I reckon it might be because I neglected to use your newly acquired honorific. Feel free to pull me up if I am showing that kind of disrespect again.

In my last post I wrote;

“I invite you to read through your post and try and pick up where if fails. I hope you are able to see there was no attempt to address, or offer an opinion, on the topic at hand.”

Yet in your latest two voluminous posts you again gave us nothing.

To paraphrase your own words: 'You have demonstrated my point, you have shown yourself to be' far more concerned with sniping rather than offering an opinion yourself.

I think people come to a site like this to see opinions put and differences between them aired, and to participate themselves. I find my own opinions have often been adjusted though the interaction OLO provides.

But to not have your own opinions to buttress your flailing at others makes for a pretty poor spectacle. You can't have failed to “Notice a common tilt in your posts?”

So yet again I humbly ask, do you have an opinion on the topic at hand? Perhaps if you furnish that we can get to some of the other matters you have raised.

Steele,

<<It was really sobering to watch Q&A last Monday night when there was a small moment at the end where the four international guests briefly reflected among themselves a sense of surprise at where this nation, so long regarded as a leader in tolerance and human rights, was now headed.>>

ROFLMAO x 100

You mean these guests?
Panellists: Mona Eltahawy, Egyptian author and commentator;
Kenneth Roth, International Director of Human Rights Watch;
Tim Wilson, Human Rights Commissioner;
Ilwad Elman, Somalian peace and human rights activist;and
Lucy Siegle, Ethics columnist The Observer.

Would you expect anything more from the above..

But the really fascinating part is, even now, YOU see nothing untoward in "ÖUR ABC" stacking the decks with such a biased, unrepresentative group!

Dear The Moof SPRQ,

This is exactly why you are a gift that keeps on giving mate.

The Q&A program was called Human Rights or Wrong.

The producers got on an ethics writer, two human rights activists from parts of the world where their kind of activities come at great personal risk, the director of a peak international human rights organisation and Tim Wilson, the most conservative of our own human rights commissioners. And to you it's stacking the panel?

Who do you suggest we get in to correct this obvious bias? Where do you find people against human rights? Lets see...wonder if Mugabe was free...or perhaps Kim Jong-un...or even the Burmese Junta?

I'm not sure I have ever conversed with someone who is against human rights, you continue to surprise us. Perhaps if they run the same topic you would like to stick your hand up.

This was the exchange I spoke of earlier

ILWAD ELMAN: "I think Australia is taking a lot of very horrific positions and putting itself in very difficult situations. They’re cuddling up with Sri Lanka, cutting off the boats and celebrating they haven’t had - they have had 100 days of no boats coming in, talking about how Australians should be bigots. I mean, this whole environment, we - some of the topics that we discussed here today it’s just showing a whole new Australia that I never really thought about before and people are going to be shocked by this new position and this movement. It seems that it’s a very exclusive environment and that it’s not taking on its weight and many people look to Australia as a very privileged, developed nation, that can carry more weight and it’s - it’s a very..."

LUCY SIEGLE: "I agree. It’s sounding pretty toxic."

Unlike you my friend I do care about how my country is perceived overseas. I do mourn our loss of reputation and the fact that we were included with Syria and Sri Lanka in being named by the UN for human rights abuses. I think any Australian worth their salt would.

Hi there STEELEREDUX...

Your comment apropos the way Australia is perceived on matters of Human Rights by other countries around the world...? Come on my friend, compared to almost every other country, we're miles ahead of 'em all ! And that is probably our trouble, we're always worrying what other countries think of us ? Who cares ?

And by what yardstick does that 'lame duck', unscrupulously dishonest organisation, the United Nations judge us ? The UN has failed miserably with ALL major humanitarian operations, since the days of Rwanda ?

I personally know, a former Aussie grunt that did his tour in Rwanda. Besides returning home as a complete human basket case, the only clear impressions of his tour over there, were how the United Nations failed those tens of thousands of men, women and children who were hacked to death with axes and hatchets, all because of the protracted 'dithering' and indecision of the useless UN !

So with respect STEELEREDUX, please don't EVER hold up that morally corrupt organisation the UN, to me as some sort of guardian of world morality ?

Steele,

<<Who do you suggest we get in to correct this obvious bias? Where do you find people against human rights? Lets see...wonder if Mugabe was free...>>

No Mugabe is closer to you in his leanings ...in fact I'd suggest if you and a few of your fellow travellers' had been writing on OLO twenty years ago Mugabe would have been your poster boy!

There are human rights and human rights.To seek to treat all humans fairly and reasonably is commendable.

However, to seek to make Oz bankroll the rest of the world --and accept whoever bribes, bullies or barges their way to our shores with open arms, is a CON, and a multi-billion dollar industry that sustains people like YOUR ABC's panellists.

And it's especially heinous when it is being pushed by the tax payer funded ABC (and SBS) ...(I shudder to think of the effect such intimidation and misrepresentation must have on impressibles like you who have never learnt to think for yourselves!)

It's fascinating that you found no issue with the ABC stacking the decks with such one-eye panellists --but was horrified at the prospects of having a few fringe Christians preach to kids a few hours a week, ay!

Dear o sung wu,

You wrote;

“Come on my friend, compared to almost every other country, we're miles ahead of 'em all ! And that is probably our trouble, we're always worrying what other countries think of us ? Who cares ?”

Well to start with I care, and I think other Australians do too. People certainly take pride in their particular nation for different reasons. For instance the former Soviet block countries went to great lengths to ensure their athletes won sporting glory at the Olympics and World Championships. This was far more important to them than world opinion about their internal restrictions on freedoms. Australia, while certainly seeking sporting success, was far more committed to doing it fairly, without coercion of our athletes and without wholesale drug cheating.

We also prided ourselves on the way we sought a fair go for people in need and were prepared go to the aid of the underdog. When I was younger I certainly felt the reason why we had so little racial or political tension and violence in this country was because we respected our fellow human beings and did not go out of our way to denigrate or harm less fortunate than ourselves. I care about that ethic.

As to us being miles ahead of other countries on human rights perhaps internally we might measure up to some of the other OECD countries but I will need you to tell me which of them transport tens of thousands of those seeking refuge in their countries to what amounts to concentration camps in overseas underdeveloped and under-resourced nations. In fact bugger just the OECD nations, give me one nation world wide who conducts itself in this manner.

Cont...

Cont...

As to the UN. This organisation is made up of the constituent states of the world. In the case of Rwandi Kofi Annan sees his biggest failure as not being able to convince any nations capable of offering assistance to do so. He contacted them all including Australia twice and the door was firmly shut in his face.

I respectfully put this question to you; was Australia right to not get involved in the conflict?

The UN is not without its faults, some of them serious, but unless you can point me in the direction of another, more effective, organisation my only conclusion is they are all we have got and they are most certainly better than nothing.

The lessons learned from Rwanda are stark, they certainly had a deep impact on me and I remember reading a lot of material discussing the genocide, its causes, its toll and particularly the aftermath because it was just so unfathomable an occurrence that it made one question what being human really amounted to. That contemplation certainly continues to inform my perspectives. For me listening Alan Jones during the Cronulla riots brought thoughts of the radio broadcasts in Rwanda calling for the extermination of the 'cockroaches'. A long bow you might think but the echoes were definitely there for me.

Anyhow mate, Rwanda is a conversation that is pretty unpleasant but one I'm am open to having as it should never be forgotten, in fact on the 7th of this month is the UN day of remembrance of the massacres, and as it seems it is just you me and the Big Moof left on this thread. The offer is there if you wanted to take it up.

Steele,

<<When I was younger ... we had so little racial or political tension and violence in this country was...>>


Holy smoke! that must have been yonks ago.

Well things have certainly changed since then --if you're living in the west, or south. or Redfern regions of Sydney. http://www.theleader.com.au/story/337133/sydney-ride-verges-on-riot-as-muslim-protest-explodes/

And guess what, it had nothing to do with a reduction of "respected"... or increase in "denigration"--at least on the part of those born there.

Just goes to show the road to a latter day Lebanese hell is paved with Lefty-Greenie initiatives, ay?

Good afternoon to you STEELEREDUX...

I'm sorry I'm not sure I understand when you say Australia didn't respond to Kofi ANNAN's request for Oz aid in Rwanda ? We sent peacekeeping troops there in an effort to underpin the authority of Canada's, Lt. Gen. Romeo DALLAIRE as overall commander of the UN's peace initiative 'in country'. Apparently, at least according to DALLAIRE's book 'Shake Hands with the Devil', it was the indecision of those in the UN, that allowed much of the genocide to occur and sadly re-occur ?

Had the various 'Peacekeeping' troops been permitted to 'keep the peace' with force, thus they became 'peacemakers' then who knows, perhaps many more innocent souls would've been saved ?

STEELE, I've read three separate accounts of the Rwanda savagery, the first, as cited above. The other two are; 'An Ordinary Man' by Paul RUSESABAGINA, and the other; 'God Sleeps in Rwanda' by, Joseph SEBARANZI. All these books deal exclusively with the complicated past of Rwanda's civil wars.

I hasten to add, I know absolutely nothing of the Rwanda genocide, other than what I was told by that Aussie grunt to whom I referred, in my previous thread. And from what I've read in the three books I've just cited herein. You can be assured, there's been little eulogizing or gushing compliments bestowed at the feet of the United Nations administrators over there.

You also asked if I could propose a more competent body, an organisation that is generally more respected. Perhaps one that might just prove to possess a far greater imperative for world peace and stability, to replace the existing incumbent ? Well we tried the 'League of Nations' and that didn't seem to work ? So to answer your questions truthfully, I don't know, perhaps the current body might make a better fist of it, if it would appear to taker a much firmer line with those intractable, rebellious and belligerent nations, like North Korea, and it's scholarly 'Dear Leader'?

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topic closed?

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# 12th Station: Jesus dies on the cross
# 13th Station: The body of Jesus is taken down from the cross
# 14th Station: Jesus is laid in the tomb

how about the 'other station..[risen..from death
appearing incarnate yet again

jesus revealed on this day..that one can die
and return..when will we take that as true.?

in one deed he reputed resection..and judgment..'daze'
unless you die by prescribed drugs
http://12160.info/main/mobilepage/desktopMode?target=%2Fxn%2Fdetail%2F2649739%3ABlogPost%3A1453620

“No, Aishah,..they are/the ones..who fast,..pray..and
give out...willingly..who/give of..charity,..*but..are fearful..that their deeds..would not be..accepted..[If].IT..WERE KNOWN..IT..is..from them.”..(Saheeh Muslim)

hence..The Intercession

As humankind/waits,.some would exclaim,..‘Let us..
ask somebody..to intercede...for our soul..[with our Lord!]’

so..The people could..then go/to Adam and say:

‘You are..the fathers first breath..[life]..of all/the people,
and Allah created you...with His Own Hands,..and./ordered the Angels to prostrate,.their pride/down..to you,.and

they/taught you..the sign..of the father...numbering/the names of all things;..so please intercede..for us with your Lord,..so that He may relieve us..from this place/time..of ours.’

He would say:..I am not fit..for this/ROLE
(i.e...intercession..for you).’

Adam would..remember his sin..of not forgiving..his wife a foolishness..and feel ashamed there'of...He would then say,

‘Go to Noah,.for he was..the first father..of
the races..that,..God sent..to the inhabitants..REMAINING..of the Earth.’

He would say:..‘I am not fit..for this undertaking!’

He will remember..his appeal..to his Lord..to do..that/what..he had no knowledge of,..then he will feel ashamed..thereof and would say,

‘Go to the Khalil ur-Rahman..(i.e. Abraham,
the One..whom chose/for His love...[to fight..an angel of god).’

They will go..to him..and he will say,..‘I am not fit for this undertaking...[saying no more war]

thus/they..Go to Moses,..the slave
to whom God spoke..(directly)..and gave him
the..un-adulterated..mosaic-laws..of the Torah.’

So..they will go to him..and he will say,..‘I am not fit for this final undertaking,’..and he will mention..(his) killing..a person who was not a killer,..and so he will feel ashamed thereof..before his Lord,

and he will say,..‘Go to Jesus,..God’s Servant,
His Messenger..and word made flesh...of God’s Word..
and revealing..the holy a Spirit coming from within Him.’

Jesus will say,..‘I am not fit..for this undertaking,..go to Muhammad the Slave of God..whose past and future sins..were forgiven by God.’

Prophet Muhammad then said:..‘They will come to me
and..I will proceed..till I will..[YEARN]..TO ask my Lord’s Permission ..and then...I will to be..given higher permission...

When I see my Lord,..as He wishes..
and then...It will all be addressed.’

Raise your head...in presence..not rememberance
Ask,..and your request..will be granted;

say,..and your saying..will be listened to;
intercede,..and your intercession..*will be accepted.’
be you..PINK/red/yellow/purple/brown tan/black or blue DARK/HUE OR LIGHT.

whether.\you/.be man,..raising-up/his face..or beast
easing up..its mask..or flower..or ..GRUB/insect/fish or toad..

[THEY GOT THE IDEa..]..johan..lets/hit the road.?]

OH WELL IT DEPENDS WHO YA want to/SING UP

HERE IS SPEQ..who blogs for the mossad/zion plan

special provocateur/qed/..quote<<.Anyone who tells you that ALL religions have a comparable amount of blood on their hands must have learn their history at the local>>>

here special provocateur/look what your mates have done
http://www.jewwatch.com/
REVEALS MANY SEMITE CRIMES

muslim hasnt come close
[iran last went to war 200 years ago]
CHRISTIANS HAVE HAD THEIr fun..killed [12 million japs]
and been killed..25 million war-sore..death marches//Bolsheviks that was..or how about the mainly 6 million poles worked to death by the capoes

damm ya try to be nice
and hall he can blog is to the grand sceme of zion
6 straight lines/6 intersecting points/6 isolated triangles
surrounding a hex-ogram..yeah that SIGN INDICATES 6666..who wilL INTERCEDE FOR THAT?..

how many more scape goats need die
on the insanity of being gods mob..as if all living isnt of the one fathers one under god one tribe..one nation..all land is gods land ya sod.

come where there is post numbers
let us talk it all out..tomorrow i may backtrack
or just walk away

AS MANY WILL KNOW/THAT COMMONLY CALlED GOD=is the sun
and that some call allah..defines the holy spirit..[ie not god the sun/that science says birthed our earth/moon..from the sun]

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History/prophet.html

The universe itself and all existence was Ebijata, "designed by Ugatame", the Creator, Ugatame has a dual nature: He is supposed to be masculine and feminine at the same time, is referred to as the two entities, and is manifested to the people by the duality of the sun and the moon. To my enquiry whether Ugatame was the sun and the moon I received the answer a firm denial. The sun is conceived as the ball of fire, because it provides light and is warm; moon is believed to be a cold light like that of a firefly or the bacteria that infest rotting wood. Sun and moon are only manifestations of Ugatame who thus makes his presence known to the people. they definitely are not Creator himself.[1]

On the nature of Ugatame, the Creator:

Ugatame is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent, credited with the creation of all things and with having determined all events. Strangely enough, however, he is not believed to exist himself. When I questioned this contention, a Kapauku defended skillfully by a question: "But how can he exist when he created all the existence?" Obviously Ugatame is beyond existence, because to Kapauku all that exists must be of phenomenonal nature; one must be able to see, hear, smell, taste or feel it. But the Creator is beyond this phenomenal dimension, because of the simple reason that He created it. because He is so to speak, in the fifth dimension and is not of phenomenal nature, He is able to be omnipresent

mary..[jesus calls her mum]..once asked us to conciliate russia as being hers..[SEE FATIMA]..here its is/the ides of may*..have a niCE DAY*

may-day mayday*
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Notenkraker10.jpg/220px-Notenkraker10.jpg
May 1 is the Feast of St Joseph the Worker, the patron saint of workers. Seeding has been completed by this date and it was convenient to give farm labourers a day off. Perhaps the most significant of the traditions is the maypole, around which traditional dancers circle with ribbons.

May Day is related to the Celtic festival of Beltane and the Germanic festival of Walpurgis Night. May Day falls half a year from November 1 – another cross-quarter day which is also associated with various northern European paganisms and the year in the Northern Hemisphere – and it has traditionally been an occasion for popular and often raucous celebrations.[2]

As Europe became Christianized, the pagan holidays lost their religious character and either changed into popular secular celebrations, as with May Day, or were merged with or replaced by new Christian holidays as with Christmas, Easter, and All Saint's Day. In the 20th and continuing into the 21st century, many neopagans began reconstructing the old traditions and celebrating May Day as a pagan religious festival again
/SERVANTS 0ATH

Various Neopagan ATHEIST/SECULAR groups celebrate reconstructed
(to varying degrees) versions of these customs on May 1..BUT IT IS THE DAY FOR THE SEERVANTS..SERVING THEIR SACRED CHGARGEV LIKE MARY AND JOSEPH SEERVED THE CHRIST CHILD

anyhow ya missed it..but wew are only workers
we trust our leaders to lead to death/rejecting the living good /eternal grave/mercy light sustaining us all our ife via logic..the be all and end all/within us all

[citation needed][sure]..imagine..how you make your heart to beat
how do you say kidney do thy stuff[you cant cause thats what god the supreme servant..who does for every living life..keep us living[if the holy servile spirit took but a few seconds off life would simply stop

thus we keep the sabbath clear
for him who cannot rest

The day was a traditional summer holiday in many pre-Christian European pagan cultures. While February 1 was the first day of Spring, May 1 was the first day of summer; hence, the summer solstice on June 25 (now June 21) was Midsummer.[citation needed]
http://rgoldman.org/morris/images/oldsun.gif

In the Roman Catholic tradition, May is observed as Mary's month, and in these circles May Day is usually a celebration of the Blessed Virgin Mary.[citation needed] In this connection, in works of art, school skits, and so forth, Mary's head will often be adorned with flowers in a May crowning.

Fading in popularity since the late 20th century is the giving of "May baskets", small baskets of sweets and/or flowers, usually left anonymously on neighbors' doorsteps

This is the tendency of all human governments.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/04/26/mh370-evidence-of-false-flag/
http://rgoldman.org/morris/images/oldsun.gif
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=fatima+may+russia
its time ya were told/the plane landed onn gar/may have intended to swop over for the plane at israel/to attack the nuke meeting[note 777 redirected the hasguecia
.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzgQwDeP7eM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp8ZiK23nLc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDGgXfXlxCA
http://12160.info/page/the-cia-and-the-media
http://www.wealthreporter.com/sa/fed-employees-trap-t.html?prcode=PPSIQ465
A departure from principle becomes a precedent
http://board.freedomainradio.com/page/books/the_handbook_of_human_ownership_a_manual_for_new_tax_farmers.html
for a second; that second for a third; and so on, till the bulk of society is reduced to mere automatons of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for sinning and suffering...
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6152&page=0#178808
And the fore horse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression."Thomas Jefferson

If people attend to My requests, Russia will be converted and the world will have peace."

In the apparition of July 13, Our Lady warned the three seers that if people did not stop offending God, He would punish the world "by means of war, hunger and persecution of the Church and of the Holy Father," using Russia as His chosen instrument of chastisementThe Blessed Virgin's request for the Consecration of Russia remains one of the most controversial aspects of the entire Fatima Message.

While several popes have undertaken consecrations of the world since the request was made public (including Pope John Paul II in 1982 and 1984), sadly, none of these have fulfilled the specific requirements of Our Lord and Our Lady's requests. In repeated visits to Sister Lucy, Heaven's King and Queen have insisted that it is Russia (and Russia only) that is to be the object of this public act of obedience and prayer.

In addition, Our Lord and Our Lady have indicated that the Holy Father is to be joined in the act of consecration by all the Catholic bishops of the world on the same day and at the same time in their respective dioceses. Interestingly, only Pope Pius XII's consecration of the world in 1942 included substantial involvement of the bishops. Sister Lucy has written that this imperfect act of obedience, while not fulfilling Our Lady's Fatima request, nevertheless hastened the end of the Second World War, thus sparing the lives of tens of millions of souls.
In response to Sister Lucy's question why He would not convert Russia without the Holy Father consecrating that nation to His Mother's Immaculate Heart, Our Lord replied "Because I want My whole Church to acknowledge that consecration as a triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary so that it may extend its cult later and put the devotion of the Immaculate Heart beside the devotion to My Sacred Heart.

Since the election of Pope Francis to head the Vatican in March, there have been signs that the two churches are eager to ease the tensions that have dominated their relations in recent decades and that date back all the way to the Great Schism of 1054.Ahead of Putin's visit, Russian Orthodox Church head Patriarch Kirill met with an influential Catholic archbishop in Moscow last week, attesting to the more amiable nature of inter-church ties.

"We live in an epoch when many of our historic differences should stop playing the critical role they have played in relations between our churches,"

But Putin says he is a man of faith, and he makes an overt effort to show his close ties to the Russian Orthodox Church."I cannot speak about Vladimir Putin's faith on a personal level," said Natalya Pecherskaya, rector of the St. Petersburg School of Religion and Philosophy. "But as a scholar, I can say that Putin's policies have brought religion to the forefront and have triggered positive change in inter-church relations."

Putin regularly makes public appearances at Russian Orthodox services on major holidays, and he has said he has read the Bible and even keeps a copy on his plane. Putin formed a friendship with late Patriarch Alexy II and is close to the current head of the Russian Orthodox Church, Patriarch Kirill, who is a strong political ally.

Is the Conversion of Russia Underway?
http://investmentwatchblog.com/imf-trying-to-start-ww3-in-ukraine/
The resurgence of Christianity in Russia under the leadership of the Patriarch has proven that observation to have been an accurate one.

Patriarch Kirill is a champion of the authentic Orthodox Christian Tradition and a stalwart defender of the doctrine of the ancient Christian Faith of the First Millennium - before the first split in the Church occurred. He has been outspoken in his concern over the moral decline in Russian, European and broader western culture. He is also doing something about it - by leading a resurgence of Christianity and a new missionary undertaking to Russian culture.
http://www.catholic.org/news/international/europe/story.php?id=53313

OK COURT TOMORROW
JUDGMENT DAY BEGINS TOMORROW
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6293&page=10

to-gather;
..IN THE END WE ALL DID IT..together
not just for the one true good..but for everyone
who is not living/but their living is sustained by god?
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6293&page=10
ALL SHALL BE REVEALED
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6304&page=0
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6326&page=0

OUG...your off your chops.....

Kat

OUG...all religious people are waiting for the end...well give up!...I cant.

Kat

hi kat

<<..OUG...your off your chops.....>>

I KNOW/BUT THE DARN QUACKS KEEP SAYING IM SANE
just hanbdicapped/by gOVT DECLARING WAR ON ME
that continues on froM THE ORDERS PRESENTED TO PHYLIP[THE PROTO TYPE FOR HOW HRH NEEDS TO RUN OUR COMMON WEALTH*/GOBALLY/AUSTRAIA HAS 520 STATES/GLOBALLY//THERE WILL BE 144.OOO

M000

YOUR A BIG KEY
clue..* ORIGINS OF hu-MAN-e*,
will be traced far further back.thaN just the 6 th of may*

<<OUG...all religious people are waiting for the end...well give up!...I cant.>>

THERE MUST BE A TIME..WHEN MAN/FULLY REACHES HUMANE
inter urban suburban..humane

one day/our leaders declared/peace globally/no more war
melt your weapons..into icons..say once we fears brother/made suister fear/raped innocents of thier homes families cultures ..this is to remind us..never again..thats whY ITS SET INTO STONE

if the end time messiah needs guns he can do it like arther had to pull his pud..[read sword]

in COURT TOMORROW..
JUDGMENT DAY BEGINS
TOMORROW..will i be heard or ignored or referd?
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6293&page=10

to-gather;
..IN THE END WE ALL DID IT..together
not just for the one true good..but for everyone
who is not living/but their living is sustained by god?
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6293&page=10
ALL SHALL BE REVEALED
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6304&page=0
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6326&page=0

some one needed to kick it off
i tested the system..the new way is mens and womans councils/that together control the service state/public servants only alowed to use a govt credit card for all/any purchase..[etc]..see other threads/im going to unwind it all in court
reverse engeneer..the proof.[or be demaning it..

[ding/dong]
a von die menche calling?

johan hendrick van die mense
van groote suide land rood land bache/new holland..[van-die-mens land]

OUG....if god is in you...that's all you need....I can see your quite sure of what you believe....however, I can say in the court of law, god spoke through me...what would your return response be?

OUG...after you leave this god forsaken world, its your beliefs that will carry you on.....as does mine.

Rest old friend, the love that's inside you will make you whole again.

Ka

KA/KWote.<<.OUG....if*god..is in you...that's all..you need.>>

YES..THATS IS ALl..I*..NEED/BED..And
feed..[SOMETHING/TO READ]

BUT..HE IS LIKE
A pain..to be with..be-cause he is
concerned..RE_guarding..ALL THE OTHER..HE IS..*IN../.\..TO0*..

<<....I can see..your quite sure..of what you believe.>[i ived/it].<<...however*..*I can say....[4*u?]..in..the court of law,.[that?].god spoke through me...[VV*0*VV]..[wow].what would your return response...be?>>

god[or..rather...HOIY-SPIRIT]..*gives us OUR LIFE..[full stop..[see god..can ony see what..really/is..real[...i$rAEl...]..but realityhas become hell/[by/our..works]

we/sustaIN THE BEING..OF WHAT IT IS..that..'is'..[HIS SIGN..IS LIFe/LIGHT/LOGIC/LOVE.GRACE/MERCY..[4/ALL].whereverr LIFE IS..THERE IS.."*".[he..hehe*...;}

OR RATHER..'ME;..[generic*WE]..
SUSTAINING US/^\ALL..LIFE/..then aLLOWING US..*OUR
FREEWILL/Living out...OUR PASSIons/whatever...they be...HOWEver..much..we contagion-ed it\*/me/or\we?

SO...WHEN YOU SAY..GOD SPOKE..Through'..me..ITS CLOSE
BUT..WE SPEAK..THOUGH*/via]..WHAT HE SUSTAINS..[US]..TO live..we speak through he[ME]..outwardS TO THE WE..[ALSO/ME]

[BUT THE THINKING[IMAGERY]..BEHIND OUR words
are imprinted..into our minds neurons/via syncrinistic synergistic/SYMPATHETIC\VIBRATION/WITH OTHERS of like life vibe
[OBSESSION/passion/thought.etc..[truth is..we link to each other via the one/omnipresent/holy spirIT..[WITH\and/in..everyliving..'beING'.]..all being their own passion/

BUT..YOU EXPLAINED..[thankyou].-WHAT YOU ARE PRIVILEGED to see
[that inspired...the seeing in MY MIND.FOR ME]..BUT THEN..I DECIDE
WHAT I CHOSE..TO SPEAK.[[4/me]..of that/emoted/VISUALIZED..OSTRACIZED...fossilised..[embodied]..INTO ME.
..

[SO TO SPEAK]

<<<OUG...after you leave...this god forsaken/world,>>
we/forsake/he]

<<..its your beliefs..that..will
carry you on.....as does mine.>>

ONE HUNDRED PERCENT/co-rect.

THE POINT BEING..THOSE departed..are still even now
carrying their will/fears/HATES/oves//works..[project]..mininto our thoughts/EMPATHETIC/SYMPATHETIC]awareness via emotions/words.sOUNDS SMELLS/RUTHEMs/beats..that seek to build...your Networked mind'S.VIa like/passion\

SIMPLY BY THINKING/MORE
MORE..OF THE SAME..WILL BE given

iT IS A GIVING/
YOU TAKE/accept/attract..THEIR FEEDBACK
And ignore it..or enAct../\or ..even to 'NOT AcT'..[not say/what our guides wish us.....to speak/think/say\do..[MY PROBLEM IS I HAVE A MULTITUDE..CLAMORING TO BE HEARD..BY/HIM..BUT.IM HURTING..Ka..[UTER ERGO/of..Posted by ORIGINS OF MAN,

IT HURTS
BUT ITS time we abated...HIS PAIN
http://rss.infowars.com/20140506_Tue_Alex.mp3

your the..8 th person
god..[sorry angels or demons]..have motivated[like.YOU..TO SAY2ME

NEARLY IDENTICAL..THE WORDS
THUS..I MUst obey..but doing nuthiun..isnt OPTIONAL
I WANT OUT..OF THIS HELL..BUT MESSAGES..FRom demons..or angels[chose your master/well.

SHUT UP JOHAN..read..hear/this
yet again[or we wil keEp saying it][STOP/DELAYING\it.]

times 8.
OK..IM LISTENING
[lord/demon and an gell..AND..MY
BEST MATES ..AS WELL?...*[r../we\.in.\HELL/..[?]*[how to tell?]]

<<..Rest old friend,
the love..that's inside..you will make...you whole again.>>

word for word..its ABSURD
YEStERDAY SHATTERD MY ASTRAL SHELL[MY Soul]..im excluded..from the astral realm..commited some mortal sin?

I NEED TO APPEAL/but what maiun points most wil awake/THE SLEEPERS[NOT THE SLEEPER].

OUG...I understand you quite well....Its English as far as I read....[BUT THE THINKING[IMAGERY]..BEHIND OUR words.....No...oug...If you can remember a quote I wrote...It said..."all humans are religious".

Kat

CHRIS UHLMANN: Pope Francis has made a surprising entry


He was on his way to mass at Manger Square, outside the Church built on the spot where Jesus is supposed to have been born when he made a sudden stop. As he exited the Pope mobile he was dwarfed by the controversial barrier Israel has built in and around the West Bank, here separating Bethlehem from Jerusalem with an eight metre high concrete wall.

It may prove to be the iconic image of this trip.

As Pope Francis stretched out his hand to lean against it, the graffiti on the wall was eye catching.

To his left and below, it read, "Free Palestine" and "Apartheid Wall".

Above and to the right, it compared Bethlehem to the Warsaw Ghetto - where the Nazis imprisoned hundreds of thousands of Jews in World War Two, before sending them to a death camp.

Pope Frances prayed there for several minutes before moving on.



(Sound of Pope Francis talking)

"Building peace is difficult," he said, "but living without peace is a constant torment. The men and women of these lands, and of the entire world, all of them, ask us to bring before God their fervent hopes for peace."

Then, it was back on the helicopter, up over the wall and down to Israel's main airport near Tel Aviv.

(Sound of helicopter and trumpets)

After a greeting from Shimon Peres and the prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, the Pope renewed his call for peace and a two state solution to the conflict. And he appealed for Israel's right to exist to be "universally recognised."

Pope Francis recalled the murder of six million Jews in the Holocaust, denounced anti-semitism in all its forms and spoke of his heavy heart at the shootings outside a Jewish museum in Brussels on Saturday.

The Israeli and Palestinian presidents both accepted the Pope's offer to pray for peace in Rome.

But this is a conflict that has defied all the finest words, no matter who is supposed to be listening.

This is Matt Brown in Jerusalem for AM.