Last night at a dinner party I got into a discussion with a nurse and her husband about vaccinations. It was a real eye-opener. This person was stridently against them and quoted statistics on polio, small pox, measles, Austism and asthma to make her case.

I had heard fringe conversations around the subject but this was coming from a health professional. The source of the anti-vaccine movement seems to be one Dr Wakefield whose erroneous research linking Autism to triple vaccination shots has since been completely demolished. However it has let a climate of fears no being exploited by other shonks and it is having chilling consequences.

“THE legacy of the discredited research by MMR scare doctor Andrew Wakefield has been exposed by a map showing spikes in cases of preventable childhood diseases in areas across the globe where anti-vaccine campaigners are active.”
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/measles-map-exposes-global-fallout-of-an-autism-scare-campaign/story-fnb64oi6-1226828830190#

I fully concede that there are risks with injecting anything foreign into a body so when solely looking at the well being of a particular child, protected as they are in this country by the 'herd immunity' in place because other parents had chosen to vaccinate their own children, then it could be rationalised that not vaccinating was the least risky option. However there is a high degree of 'selfishness' in doing so.

Therefore I'm asking what people think. Is this movement driven mainly by discredited fears and therefore will die out or is the impetus a sign of a selfish society, unable to fully appreciate community action and thus destined to flourish.

Dear SteeleRedux,

<<Is this movement driven mainly by discredited fears>>

I have no idea what others are driven by, but they shouldn't be moved by fears - they should be moved by certainties.

It is undisputed that under the existing circumstances which include 'herd immunity', vaccinating a child is harmful to that child. Some consider that harm small or even insignificant while others consider it big or even catastrophic.

In either case, one should not knowingly harm others, how less so their own child.

Socialism however, does not recognise that children belong to their parents - it believes that children belong to 'society', which is represented by the state. Socialism seeks to destroy the family, which it sees as part of the hated 'old order'. It seeks to set up parents against their children, children against their parents and wives against their husbands (and how 'outdated' even those impolitically-correct words are, one should now say 'partner' instead).

Nothing is wrong of course with contributing to society: people may for example unselfishly donate blood - but it must be their own blood!

Now should conditions change and herd-immunity decline, then parents may reconsider vaccinating their children based on the good of their children alone. Then, those parents who believe that the harm to their child by vaccination is less than the harm from exposure to the corresponding germ/virus, would be the first to vaccinate and those who believe otherwise never will - which is just the way it should be.

Given that Dr. Wakefield's claims were refuted, those who believe that we are a body, whose purpose is to survive, be physically healthy and procreate, are the ones likely to believe that vaccination is only minimally harmful.

OTOH, those who hold a spiritual perspective do not depend on medical research such as Wakefield's, be it true or false, but understand that our body is merely a vehicle for our soul, designed to give us the exact experience in the world that we need (rather than want), hence any wilful attempt to modify it is detrimental to our spiritual purpose for life.

dear redux..this herd immunity..IS CODEWORD
FOR THERE ARNT NO ELEPHANTS..[IE IF YOU TAKE THIS SHOt OF CANCER CAUSING GMO MuTATED VIRUS..no nasty diseaSE [elephants]..CAN GET you]

this is..if you got//immunity..YOU CAN STILL CARRY THE DISEASE
YOU JUST WONT SHOW the symptom..till you infect others.

these others got it from you
they didnt give it to you

SEE THIS SILLY GUILT/THE NOT VACXINATED ARE THE DANGER
mate its you vacinates..who have the disease..wHO ARE THE DANGER/WHY BECAUSE You dont look SICK...YET ARE FUlly contagious/the vaccinated are endangered..BY YOU..NOT A THREAT.

yET THE FEELGOOD SPIN SAYS THE OPPISIYE
IF ALL GOOD WHy the lies?

BUT BECAUSE OF MANY ADVERSE REACTIONS..to vaccinations..medical industry/DOCTER/NURSES..SPINMEISTERA..then runs interferance/because they dont want to be sued..

besides..the science types know diseases evolve
and the bad strain oD MANY DISEASE..EVOLVED long ago
like polio..had a evolutionary nuche..now its has evokved into 3 other straINS/as evolution does//and that polio..gmo..their pumpibng in died long ago..exists only in their vacine.

mate we injected kids..in Africa witH LIVE AIds virus
we got aids cause they made the polio VACINE ON INFECTED MONKEY SERUM
OTher vaccines are grown in eggs..the newest are made via gmo[sIMPLY PUT THE DNa into a virus..]..THEN SATURATE WITH HEAVEY METAL PUMP IT INTO KIDS

THINK..THE VACCINATED KIDS..wont look sick
till you get it..YET WE HAVNT GOT MILLIONS OF parents dying..henCE ITS A SCAM..TO MAKE KIDS SICK[Now so they cant show signs of clamidia..[ie look sick/they will yet be sick/making OTHERS SICK

BUT WORST..the cure makes them sterile
really..do the research..THAT CLAMIDIA VACCINE MAKES THE OVERIES BREED/SLOUGHS OFF THE EGGS=STERILE/OVER POPULATION FIXED..NOW KILl everyone who know what we dun.

why do only a few get sick
survival of the fittest..HOW YOU KILL THE HEALTHY
COMPULSDORY VACINATION/ONCE YOU STUDIED THE RESEARTCH..ITS CLEAR MORE HARM/than risk..thE DANGER INJECTED DIRECTLY INTO YOUR BODY..forgive them lord..they know not what they do

I have memories of my childhood when children with metal braces on their legs were so common as not to warrant a second glance, don't see them these days; I wonder why?

here is an example..of how trustworthy
any chemical'..research..or drug..is anyhow
let alone..the effectiveness oF A VACINE..[HOW DOYOU PROVE THE VACINE WORKS..[exposure..to the disease?..or do we say you got the ant elephant vaccine..seen any elephants?]

nowhere[but maybe banks creating money]..is so much govt and private money spent..but on medicine/its so expensive without govt giving it to is for free..we refuse to pay..full cost/that speaks for itself[if we had such faith..in the labcoats..how did they allow super bugs to infest..hospitals world wide.

we been told that simple handwashing could have averted it
so some are so self blown..up the didnt even wash theIR HANDS

LEST WE forget..the last 65 tassie purebloods were germicided intO EXTINCTION..BY 6 doctors..in less than one life time.

a typical eg..Fraud: Drug Companies
Selectively Publish Studies to Push Anti-Depressants
http://naturalsociety.com/drug-companies-lied-anti-depressants/

Nearly all the studies that showed the benefit of these drugs were published, and almost all of the studies proving antidepressants were ineffective or even harmful were kept tightly guarded.

In the secret vaults of many drug companies’ records, there is telling evidence that people who took a sugar pill got better 40% of the time and their drugs were only shown to be effective around 60% of the time.

So, anti-depressants are about as effective as a placebo.
come and get your elephant vaccine here/now..its free
basically we will inject dead germs[anti-bodies]..
directly into your body..it will cure you
no more pink elephants/please

read the directions
buy a magnifying glass.

EATING GMO corn CREATES STERILITY
gmo KILLS ALL POLLINATORS

no pollinators=no food
http://www.prisonplanet.com/scientists-say-we-are-practicing-ecological-homicide-we-must-protect-the-pollinators.html

http://www.wakingtimes.com/2014/02/18/despite-majority-opposition-gmo-corn-gets-green-light-europe/

where do we get our starvation vaccine?
STOP PUMPING CASH FLOW INTO OUR KIDS ARMS
ITS HURTING THEM..SEVERELY

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=vaccines+infowars

I wonder why?
is Mise,
I recall seeing a lot less morons too. I wonder if they could develop a vaccine for that phenomenon as well or would less funding to Universities be a better option.
Medicine is nothing short of fantastic now. Just as fantasic as the population explosion & medical waste polution due to modern medicine. It really is a no win situation in the long run. Solve one problem, creato two more. Sad but also fact. I only hope they're working on it.

ismise../QUOTE..<<..I have memories of my childhood when children with metal braces on their legs were so common as not to warrant a second glance, don't see them these days; I wonder why?>>

cause docters found they hurt more than helped
im olso young enough..TO RECALL THE MOVIE..FORREST GUMP
[HE HAD THEM METAL THINGS..BUT BROKE THEM RUNNING..THEN DECIDED THE CURE/WORSE THAT WHAT IT WAS CLAIMING TO FIX.

IF YOU PUT SOMEONE IN AN IRON LUNG
[or print photoes..on smokes packs=is the same old public relations
to motivate us to get a vacination[do you recall that day..too ismise?]

i do..i recall we first gota test shot/yo test our body reaction..to 'something/or other..i recall 3 in my class got something else

the rest of us got our skin rubbed BLEEDING RAW..and a drop of creamy liquid put on..and it was summer because the mess scabbed onto my shirt[and many others]..for weeks after..some took great joy in punching our SCABBED arm/making the scab bleed etc[thats where youi FIRST SAW THE PHOTOS/THING IS WHATS THE NUMBERS

who were those chosen..who couldnt take the shot
were they the IRON LEGGED KIDS?..THING IS MATE..WE TRUST SCIENCE..TO OUR OWN ADVERSE REACTION EVENT..TAKES US OUT..AND THEY DEEM DEATH/BY SMOKING.

ANYHOW I BARE..the mark..upon my left arms
it was vaccinated..A FEW times..traveling overseas
it also..occupies the same exact spot..[acupuncture]..would stimulate..to highten/pshycic awareness

[my generation HAD THAT KEY POINT SCARRED OUT.
THE SCARING SHORT CIRCUITS..THAT..BUT NOW THE GIrls clamidia thing burns out their overies..[LEST WE FOrget bayer made the gas that killed 6 million in gas chambers

most of what we know about vitamin deprivation..is thanks to the natzies/they took iodine from OUR SALT/THEY PUT HEAVEY METAL[ONLY OTHER USE IS TOOTHPASTE AND RAT POISEN]..THAT DUMBS US DOWN

IM THE WORK CAMPS the poisen made them so docile/they became zombies

as long as some get wealth
when we get sick..sellING MEDICINE..FOR CAPITALIST GAIN..IS A BAD IDEA

OUG,

I'll bet that you believe in the Power of Pyramids too.

Dear SteeleRedux,

Thank You for raising this issue and it is a concern.
My niece is a medical professional and apparently
where she lives in Port Macquarie - many mothers are
encouraged to not vaccinate their babies. I remember
seeing a program on television some time ago on the
subject - where one so called "medical Professional,"
older woman raved against vaccination and when asked
what her qualifications were replied, "I've read a lot
of books on the subject and know more than doctors!"

As one mother pointed out (who'd lost a baby due to
not having her baby vaccinated for whooping-cough) -
"I challenge any mother to watch the agony a baby
goes through when they can't breath."

We're luck in this country that vaccinations are available
for preventable diseases. This isn't the case around the
globe. And to not vaccinate your child - is irresponsible
of the parent - to say the least. Those parents that don't
vaccinate their children and then claim that, "See my children
didn't get sick." Are extremely lucky. And the reason that
their kids did not get sick is probably due to the fact
that everyone else's children were vaccinated.

Spot on, Foxy.

Apparently there are some who would like to see a return to the joys of smallpox; well bad luck folks because "After vaccination campaigns throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, the WHO certified the eradication of smallpox in 1979.[5] Smallpox is one of two infectious diseases to have been eradicated, the other being rinderpest, which was declared eradicated in 2011"

For more enlightenment see:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_pox

The anti-vaccination movement people are driven by scientifically unfounded fears and untruths. I think most would have been part of the flat earth movement back in it"s day.

SteeleRedux, just because your dinner party friend was a health professional doesn't mean she/he couldn't also be a loony-toon!
Even the Government have moved to ensure this 'movement' does not have the word 'vaccination' in it's business name.

The fact that mass vaccinations have rid the world of smallpox, and almost rid it of polio is enough for me.

I have personally cared for kids with whooping cough, encephalitis caused from measles, and brain damage from German measles. If all these awful illnesses can be prevented for even one child then I am all for it.

We live in a much safer society now due to vaccines, and anyone against vaccines is either extremely gullible to rubbish they read on the internet, or are fools.

We live in a much safer society now due to vaccines, and anyone against vaccines is either extremely gullible to rubbish they read on the internet, or are fools.
Suseonline,
That goes without saying. The next medical challenge will be to curb the poulation growth due to modern medicine.
I'm certain they will find a solution to that as soon as there's good money to be made.

Suse,

What is the world coming to?
I find myself in complete agreement with you!!

I remember being wracked by whooping cough and all that could realistically be done in my childhood was to isolate the patient and hope for the best.
Measles were a scourge as were mumps and the latter could be a swift killer after puberty.
A workmate who was the same age as me,15, was at work and healthy on Monday, reported in sick on Tuesday and died on Wednesday from mumps.
We went to his funeral on the Friday.

I was lucky as I'd had mumps at about 6 years, my parents had made sure that I visited and played with a school mate that had mumps, an early and fairly sure way of developing some immunity.

' Is this movement driven mainly by discredited fears and therefore will die out or is the impetus a sign of a selfish society,'

killing the unborn shows we are a totally selfish society.

killing the unborn shows we are a totally selfish society.
runner,
nearly as bad as letting hopeless cases suffer for the do-gooders to feel good.

Is Mise, you are lucky you lived on to argue with me on these pages, after having whooping cough :)

I can remember as a young nurse, holding upright a 14 month old baby as it coughed, vomited and turned blue about every 3 minutes. She had whooping cough.

Her trendy, anti-vaccination mother sat sobbing beside the cot, and it took all that I had not to yell at her to get out! Of course I didn't, because I figured that watching her baby suffer for months was punishment enough...

Runner, why not start your own thread on the unborn?
Just leave all the other threads out of your obsession.

ITS a shame..that your so ignorant..of what micro-evolution..really does..[introduce/advantageous evolution..for survival/of fittest..please note that law applies to all life

Fordham University mumps outbreak jumps campuses

The outbreak of the mumps at Fordham University has spread from one campus to another.

There are now 13 reported cases, 12 at the Rose Hill campus in the Bronx and one at the Lincoln Center campus in Manhattan.

The symptoms are similar to the flu, but the virus can also cause painful swelling.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news%2Flocal%2Fnew_york&id=9438450

PLEASE NOTE..THE FURTHER QUOTE

All of the infected patients had the mumps vaccine,
but doctors say it's not 100 percent effective.

yes hooping cough=tough
but writing THEY DIED FROM SmOKING..is criminal
YOU PANIC MERCHANTS..REALLY NEED GET EDUCATED..AS TO WHAT EVOLUTION REALLY DOES.

SURVIVAL OF FITTEST..NOT DUMBEST.
http://www.activistpost.com/2014/02/study-monsantos-roundup-causes-gluten.html

recall the holocaust/NATZIE MEDICAL EXPERIMENT=HOW TO SLOW KILL YOU

Sane doctors realized stricter rules,
and a code of ethics, were needed.
NOW Ignorant/secular/states..force them..to ignore it

In 1948, the 2nd General Assembly of the World Medical Association adopted the Declaration of Geneva, appearing below as amended:

AT THE TIME OF BEING ADMITTED AS A MEMBER OF THE MEDICAL PROFESSION:

I solemnly pledge to consecrate my life to the service of humanity . . .

I will practice my profession with conscience and dignity;

The health of my patient will be my first consideration;

I will respect the secrets that are confided in me . . .

I will not permit considerations of age, disease or disability, creed, ethnic origin, gender, nationality, political affiliation, race, sexual orientation, social standing or any other factor to intervene between my duty and my patient;

I will maintain the utmost respect for human life;
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=jewish+medical+atrocities&ie
I will not use my medical knowledge to violate human rights and civil liberties, even under threat
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=ZIONIST+jew+NATZIE+MEDICAL+EXPERIMENTERS&i

It's also a shame that so many posters, here and elsewhere, shew their incompetence/ignorance by using "your" as a contraction of "you are" instead of "you're".

FOR YOUR EDUCATION
NOT yo're..EDIFICATION

THE ROOT..OF..MY ISSUE With your issue
YOU'R ISSUE IS slow KILLING US...look a yo'ur own roots

http://www.naturalnews.com/036062_vaccines_Nazi_medical_experiments.html

Learn more about the true history of modern medicine in this revealing report. Free downloadable PDF. Covers Nazi connections with Big Pharma, war crimes of Bayer, the weapons origins of prescription medications, the shocking history of psychiatric medicine and much more.

cLICK HERE FOR FREE DOWNLOAD:
25 Amazing (and Disturbing) Facts about the Hidden History of Medicine
http://www.naturalnews.com/RR-25-Amazing-Facts-About-Hidden-History-Medicine.html

Additional sources:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net

http://www.nachfolgeprozesse.nuernberg.de/english/trials/trials11.html

http://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/docmedex.htm

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

http://www.naturalnews.com/027175_autism_vaccines.html

http://www.ushmm.org/research/doctors/twoa.htm

http://www.naturalnews.com/030158_swine_flu_pandemic.html

http://www.wddty.com/autism-it-s-all-in-the-gut.html

http://www.tetrahedron.org

http://en.wikipedia.org

http://www.knowthelies.com/node/3944

http://curezone.com/blogs/fm.asp?i=1490511

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/036062_vaccines_Nazi_medical_experiments.html##ixzz2uBTrIhoQ

Nazi Germany wasn't a conspiracy theory, it was real, but people underestimated the movement as it rose up, and look what happened. Before and during the war, the Nazi's tested Jews the same way we test and breed animals (including the ones we eat) in the United States today. How are GMO (pesticide-laden) foods which cause cancer so different from pushing dangerous, chemical laden vaccines (like swine and flu shots) on humans?

And how similar were the Nazi concentration camp conditions to the conditions we find many animals living in today - trapped in a horror story from birth to miserable death - also known as Concentrated (or Confined) Animal Feeding Operations (CAFOs)?

There is a war going on today for chemical-free food and water, and a war for personal liberties that allow citizens the right tohave GMO foods labeled, and to opt out of vaccinations. It's been only 70 years since World War II, and the mad scientists didn't just go away, they went to work for corporations and pharmaceutical companies that run the vaccine and food industries now.

Their heirs are continuing the "tradition" of making money by any means, with complete disregard for human sanctity.

Right now in the USA, poisonous foods and vaccines cross over moral and ethical barriers regarding basic humanity and the welfare of mankind.

The United States has become a testing arena for Big Pharma's dangerous vaccines and pharmaceuticals. Ingredients in vaccines include toxins and carcinogens known to cause adverse reactions that are severe and sometimes fatal.
http://www.naturalnews.com/vaccine.html
• Most vaccines go virtually untested and success rates are based strictly on results from testing animals in a laboratory.

• Many vaccines contain thimerosal, a preservative made with methyl mercury, which is extremely toxic to the central nervous system.

• Many vaccines contain chemical adjuvants, like squalene, which cause inflammation of the central nervous system.

• Autism is a neurological disorder. Vaccine ingredients break down peptides in the body which regulate the CNS, severely disrupting specific high cognitive functions and processes all characteristic of autism.

• Rates of autism have doubled in past decade.

• More than 1 in every 100 children in the U.S. are diagnosed with autism, which is the highest rate of any population in all of history.

• H1N1 vaccine greatly enhanced health risks for elderly, children, and those with heart disease, breathing issues and diabetes.

• The main group of scientists who convinced the World Health Organization to declare the H1N1 a "pandemic" had financial ties to the drug companies that profited.

• Australia banned flu vaccines in children after reports of seizures, and Finland banned H1N1 vaccines after linking them to narcolepsy in children.

• Injecting genetically modified bacteria and viruses runs the risk of causing a cytokine storm in the body, which is an exaggerated immune system response to a highly pathogenic invader. When a cytokine storm occurs in the lungs, fluids and immune cells accumulate and eventually block off the airways, often resulting in death.
http://www.naturalnews.com/033447_Institute_of_Medicine_vaccines.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/medical_experiments.html

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/036062_vaccines_Nazi_medical_experiments.html##ixzz2uBUMMZ6B

It is interesting to note that the "anti-vacination" group can always come up with an isolated case where some claimed reaction has taken place with disastrous results, but never quote the vast number of lives that have been saved through taking the precaution of vaccination.

I had measles, whooping cough, German measles etc., when I was a child and developed a natural immunity. How much better would I have been had there been vaccination available to do the same thing ?

Polio has been virtually eliminated from India now after a mass undertaking to deal with the scourge. So many diseases have been eliminated round the world and I remember having to be immunised against things like small pox before getting on an international flight and even had to have a Yellow Fever inoculation before going to South America many years ago.

I really don't understand why so many people ignore the benefits and put themselves and their children at risk when there is so much proof that vaccination has saved millions of lives.

I equate this attitude to some members of the Pentecostal Church who are "snake Handlers" in the USA and else where, who think they are immune from being bitten and won't die if they are, when the evidence has unfortunately pointed to the contrary.

there is so much proof that vaccination has saved millions of lives.
snake,
I suppose the more lives are saved by medicine the more will need to be knocked out by civil unrest & war.
Imagine our little planet with too many people. Actually you won't need any imagination just go out & see the millions living in poverty because a handfull of greedy are keeping resources to themselves.

for the smake
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=disease+has+mutated+into+strains&

I WOULD TRY TO EDUCATE YOUR CHOSEN IGNORANCE
but they are too many..but..clearly..if you got half a brain
you know..THAT EVOLUTION APPLIES TO EVERY-THING..EVEN BAD BACTERIA

THE FLUE FOR EXAMPLE IS DIFFERENT EVERY YEAR..[befcause..IT EVOLVED]

SO WHAT THEY DO..IS EVOLVE/MUTATE THREE DIFFERENT STRAINS[OF FLUE]
BY CHOICE EVERY YEAr..so we face not just what nature evolves..but what science jabbed into us..three fold as well

now that would be just fine
but then we have competition/everry country doing it
globally thousands of flue vaccinations/pumped into us..but not one the current evolution..LOL

why i hear a dumb snake ask
[one in every two hundred cell divisions results in an evolution
of the BILLIONS OF BACTERIA ..THERE ARE TRILLIONS OF NEW [MICRO/EVOLUTIONS]..within the species..every moment..but thanks be to oliver mendal/levie and hollander..we know they alL RETURN TO wild type[the means/bounds of genus

but snake brains are so slow
and LAZY..HE COMMENTS NOT UPON ANY PROOF[SEE LINKS]
THUS LIES THERE..WITH A SMALL SNAKE MIND..in a sheeples body

A WOLF WANNA BE..IN SHEEPS CLOTHING
OR A SNAKE IN THE WOOL..WOOF ..PSSSST SNAKES go HIS THEN THEY GO CRUNCH.

get of ya belly and stand upon gnosis
pretend yOUR A MAN/AT LEAST refute specific points at specific links

what sort of snake are you?
road kill?

Steelie: Therefore I'm asking what people think. Is this movement driven mainly by discredited fears and therefore will die out or is the impetus a sign of a selfish society, unable to fully appreciate community action and thus destined to flourish.

I'm with you on this on Steelie. Any parent who fails to Vaccinate their child & the child dies should be charged with murder.

With any thing there will be deaths. The Car, plane, iphones & vaccinations have all resulted in someone dying. But in the case of Vaccinations having one child die for having it or having 100's of thousands die from not having it. The choice is a no-brainer.

Thank you everyone for your responses.

I have been reading about the activities of the formally called Vaccination Awareness Network now known as the Australian Vaccination Network.

“The AVN has been described as a provider of "misleading, inaccurate, and deceptive" vaccination information by the New South Wales Health Care Complaints Commission (HCCC) and has been heavily criticised by doctors and other experts on immunisation. The group has been called the "stronghold of the anti-vaccination movement" in Australia and is subject to widespread criticism from medical professionals, scientists and other proponents of vaccination.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Vaccination_Network

The reason for the name change?

“In December 2012, the New South Wales Office of Fair Trading issued an order for the AVN to change its name within two months or be de-registered. The department described the AVN's name as being "misleading and a detriment to the community"

But they are not without effectiveness;

“In 2009, the Australian Broadcasting Corporation described the AVN as the "stronghold of the anti-vaccination movement" in Australia. The NSW Northern Rivers region, where the AVN is located, has a childhood vaccination rate of only 70% compared to the national average of over 90%.”

Dear Yuyutsu,

You have has always offered a fairly rigid world view and one can admire your consistency but it is an issue like this that shows its weaknesses.

You state; “one should not knowingly harm others, how less so their own child.”

Yet isn't being part of a movement that will result in harm to others through the reduction in the effectiveness of the herd immunity is doing just that.

However it is this assertion from you that is really worrying;
“Socialism however, does not recognise that children belong to their parents - it believes that children belong to 'society', which is represented by the state. Socialism seeks to destroy the family, which it sees as part of the hated 'old order'. It seeks to set up parents against their children, children against their parents and wives against their husbands (and how 'outdated' even those impolitically-correct words are, one should now say 'partner' instead).”

What do you mean by 'belong'? Are one's children a mere possession allowing a parent to do what they want with them? I am all for keeping a tight rein on attempts by the state to over-reach but recognising that the state has a roll in protecting all citizens, regardless of age, is imperative of a civilised society. To say a socialist society sets out to destroy the family is loopy.

Be that as it may I am interested to get the Yuyutsu take on 'Typhoid Mary'.

“Mary Mallon (September 23, 1869 – November 11, 1938), better known as Typhoid Mary, was the first person in the United States identified as an asymptomatic carrier of the pathogen associated with typhoid fever. She was presumed to have infected some 49 people, three of whom died, over the course of her career as a cook. She was forcibly isolated twice by public health authorities and died after a total of nearly three decades in isolation.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoid_Mary

Her individual rights were certainly infringed upon but all in the name of public health. I am wondering what you would have done differently had you been in charge?

what you would have done differently had you been in charge?>>..

ask the advocates of injecting poisen into kids explain/reply tHE ISSUES

WHAT PROOF..HAVE YOU<<..The United States has/NOT.. become a testing arena for Big Pharma's dangerous vaccines and pharmaceuticals.

IE REVEAL WHERE THEY TEST EM
IE INDIA AFRIKA..IE POOR PEOPLES?

WHO TESTS THESE THINGS GLOBALY
HOW MANY CONVICTIONS OBTAINED

NAME ><< Ingredients in vaccines include toxins and carcinogens
known to cause adverse reactions that are severe and sometimes fatal.
http://www.naturalnews.com/vaccine.html
• Most vaccines go virtually untested and success rates are based strictly on results from testing animals in a laboratory.

• Many vaccines contain thimerosal, a preservative made with methyl mercury, which is extremely toxic to the central nervous system.

• Many vaccines contain chemical adjuvants, like squalene, which cause inflammation of the central nervous system.

• Autism is a neurological disorder. Vaccine ingredients break down peptides in the body which regulate the CNS, severely disrupting specific high cognitive functions and processes all characteristic of autism.

IF YOU CHOSE TO INJECT..YOUR KIDS WITH POISEN
At least inject to yourself too..[herd immunity?..means with mum dad as with the kids/BUT TEST IT ON..THE OLD ADULTS FIRST..[NOT KIDS]

TAKE THE POISENS..FROM OUR FOOD WATER air
govt malfeasance has allowed our waters to be dangerously poluted/with hormones poisens weed killer medicine hormones etc etc

YOU TRUST BIG MONEY PHARMNA..WHO OWN Govt agency and govt?
lest we forget..the scemes scams ARE FOR MONEY/MAKING THE FEAR OF SICKNESS PAY.

Actually INDIVIDUAL there is plenty of proof that vaccination saves lives. While I hate the way so many posters have to copy URLs in their postings, I'll make an exception and the Gates Foundation can be found here

http://www.gatesfoundation.org/What-We-Do/Global-Development/Vaccine-Delivery

It might convince you of its efficacy.

I don't understand your argument regarding using it as a form of population control. Are you saying that natural attrition by infection is a good way to control it?

I have never supported continued population increase and have posted comments to this effect on these pages in the past. We are living in a severely over populated world, but I don't endorse letting living people die if they can be preserved through vaccination. I also don't quite see "how the handful of greedy are keeping resources to themselves" relates to trying to vaccinate all the people who require it. You display a very illogical argument.

YA KEEP Rolling snake eyes
instead of yappin look at the proof

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=gates+foundation+adgenDA+INFOWARS&i

Dear SteeleRedux,

Let's first get Mary Mallon out of the way: People's actions against her were in self-defence, thus legitimate.

Society need not accept people who threaten it with disease (in fact, society need not accept anyone it doesn't like, for whatever reason) and society has the right to keep such people at a distance. What society has no right, is to tell those people how to live their life once already kept reasonably distant to prevent infection.

Regarding your other questions, I'm aware that the rest of my words would make no sense to those who deny the spirit, who instead operate on the (false) premise as if "we" are just a body, a conglomeration of biological cells. People who hold this belief often hold the prolonging of the metabolic-functions of our physical bodies (which they wrongly consider as 'life') as their highest value. I don't share that value.

Children belong to their parents because they freely chose to be born to them. The physical baby/foetus body may be formed, but nobody can be forced to identify with it, it's a matter of choice.

Children have free choice just like adults and in some cases are more spiritually mature than many adults, the only difference being that young children are unable to express their choice, hence they selected such parents who can represent them and protect their freedom.

Specifically, spiritually-advanced children select parents who would ensure that their spiritual purity and integrity, achieved over many lifetimes, will not be ruined by some silly humanists who consider them to be just a body.

(but ordinary children would likely select parents who hold more common societal values, who would preference their biological life, thus vaccinate them)

I do not agree with your statement that "the state has a roll in protecting all citizens": the state may only legitimately protect those who sought its protection. If either the child him/herself or a parent (even one) ON THEIR BEHALF sought the state's protection, or otherwise freely consented to it, then indeed the state may protect that child - but not otherwise.

snake,
I didn't make a comment, merely stating a fact. Although population control has been discussed to no end ,modern medicine has a lot to answer re over population. Medicine should really start to address preventing live rather than having mass production just because they can. Remember, medicine does not pay for the outcome it produces, tax payers do & it's nearly always the lower paid ones. If lives can be saved that's great but it would be greater if too many lives could be prevented. The smarter ones are doing it voluntarily, the silly just do it because someone else always picks up the tab.

Gosh reading this is instructive .. its like reading stuff from the pre enlightenment times. I wonder what happened to rational Australia? I have friends in Australia who had polio as children , have disabling paralyses and are now getting post polio syndrome which is life shortening. Their parents suffered terrible guilt as they did not have access to vaccination in the bush back then..I have been living in Asia for 25 years have seen what happens when vaccinations are not on hand. Take a look at Pakistan now that the Talibs are killing the health workers, kids are dying and being disabled by preventable diseases... the Talibs are led by same sort of paranoid fanaticism pushed by the anti vaccination lobby. The science is so easy to understand, it an indication of how dumbed down Australia has become that parents oppose it.
In parts of Europe you are not allowed to send you kids to school if they are not vaccinated as they are a public health risk, just so.


I don't think people who refuse vaccination are selfish, i just think they are are antisocial, mindless and illiterate,

Interesting
http://news.yahoo.com/5-california-children-infected-polio-illness-030557798.html

OLD NEWS aids came from polio live virus vaccine/grown on monkey 'serum'..[monkey blood and centrifuged selective ORGAN fractions]

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=aids+monkEY+SERUM+POLIO+VAcine+live+virus&ie

if you really want to get sick..look into the research
where us service people have been returned 'home'..drained of fluids and organs gutted..]you musT REMEMBER//THESE PEOPLE SERVE DEMONS...JUST INSTALL THE RIGHT SPIN..your in the money.

we each got a life term/its like you all forgot..
your immortal spirit/having a mortal life experience/to grasp the cONCEPT BEGINNING/END...SOME return here/THEN CHANGE THEIR MIND..BUT AS JESUS SAID..ALL WORKMEN GET EQUAL WAGES..[ETERNAL GRACE MERCY]

ANYHOW we 'got rid of polio
but three evolutions of it persist
THE BAD ONE IS LONG GONE..EXCEPT THE DRUG MERCHANTS GOT A SAMPLE
TO RELEASE OR EXPERIMENT WITH AT WHIM..think why labs need recombine small pox wITH SARS AND PIG AND BIRD FLUE..[just for you]..or RATHER ONLY YA KIDS.

RECAL THE TAMIFLUE..THING..GOVTS GOT COnned..into putting up huge ORDERS[ON THE CONDITION..THE UN NEEDED TO FIRST DECLARE A PANDEMIC

SURE ENOUGH THEY DID
GOVT DUALLY PAID OUT BILLIONS..to have them go out of date..in ware houses of the poison..thats wHAT DOCTERS DO..THEY GET RICH..ONLY WHEN YOU FEEL SICK.

Oneundergod, you aren't a medical professional and you get all your rubbish anti-medical views from dodgy site google searches.

I don't need to use dodgy sites to prove my views, as I have over 30 years of seeing evidence in hospitals and while community nursing, with my own eyes.

Vaccinations work. As do many thousands of other medications.
If you don't want to avail yourself of these medications, then that is up to you.
But don't make out you know what you are ranting about.

And please stop shouting!

Suseonline and everybody else.
The simple fact is that more people enjoy life because of vaccination than those who suffer without having it in youth.
Imagine how a parent must feel when they discover their child has some life threatening disease THAT COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IF THEY HAD HAVE HAD THEIR CHILD VACCINATED.
Imagine haw the child feels toward the parent that made the wrong decision.

Dear Yuyutsu,

Forgive me if I park the metaphysics for another thread, however I am more than happy to explore the practicalities of your position.

My niece has related that the childcare centre where she works does not allow unvaccinated children to enrol, so even now there is some 'distancing' occurring.

In the past that distancing took the form of quarantining or isolation, for instance in the form of leper colonies. The difference here is that it is the decisions of the parents that are forcing the separations of those who do not have the power to make those decisions for themselves. The state surely has some role in protecting the powerless, both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.

What form of distancing would you feel would be acceptable?

Dear snake,

It has been amazing the effort that has been put into polio eradication and the Gates Foundation has played its part. From being endemic in 125 nations only 25 years ago there are just 3 nations where polio infections still occur, Nigerian, Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Cont..

Cont..

Dear Mekong,

Having spent a decade of my early live as an expat in Asia I still remember the pocked marked survivors of small pox infection. I have never seen a single one in this country.

One of the pieces of 'evidence' the anti crowd quote is a vaccine effort in the Philippines at the turn of the last century.

Quote;

In the Philippines, prior to US takeover in 1905, case mortality from smallpox was about 10%.  In 1905, following the commencement of systematic vaccination enforced by the US Government, an epidemic occurred where the case mortality ranged from 25% to 50% in different parts of the islands. In 1918-1919 with over 95% of the population vaccinated, the worst epidemic in the Philippine's history occurred resulting in a case mortality of 65%. The highest percentage occurred in the capital Manila, the most thoroughly vaccinated place. The lowest percentage occurred in Mindanao, the least vaccinated place owing to religious prejudices. Dr V de Jesus, Director of Health, stated that the 1918-1919 smallpox epidemic resulted in 60,855 deaths. The 1920 Report of the Philippines Health Service contains the following comments:
"From the time in which smallpox was practically eradicated In the city of Manila to the year 1918 (about 9 years) in which the epidemic appears certainly In one of its severest forms, hundreds after hundreds of thousands of people were yearly vaccinated with the most unfortunate result that the 1918 epidemic looks prima facie as a flagrant failure of the classic Immunization towards future epidemics".
End quote.
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/smallpox7.html

And this is the so called Vaccination Council's take on the story.
http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2010/02/26/smallpox-vaccine-origins-of-vaccine-madness/

No doubt if you ever meet one of these folk this is what will be dragged out. As always there is a modicum of truth behind every outlandish claim.

Here is the Harvard Medical Journal report from 1923 discussing the reasons for the figures, basically two different strains of the disease with quite different mortality rates.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2315899/pdf/brmedj06250-0028.pdf

Sobering reading though.

Dear SteeleRedux,

It's difficult to discuss the matter without taking into account ALL aspects, including the metaphysical.

I approve of the decision of your niece's childcare centre: they, like everyone else, have a right to request those they don't want around them to stay out of their property - and in the case of the general-public (if so they choose), out of public property. I do hope they act reasonably and not overdo it, but ultimately it's up to them.

Decisions of parents ON BEHALF OF THEIR CHILD are invaluable because they are the only mechanism that allows small children who are still unable to express themselves verbally and logically, to defend their freedom in general and their religion/spiritual-path in particular. A secular state will never be able to understand the particular needs of spiritually-evolved children.

Children expressed their wishes by choosing their parents. Of course they may change their mind later and once a child is able to speak, they should be able to walk into a police station and say: "I want state-protection, please give me other parents". So long as neither-child-nor-parent did so, the state may not attempt to protect the child.

Dear Chris,

<<The simple fact is that more people enjoy life because of vaccination>>

It all depends on what you call 'life' and what you value.
For some who consider the body a temple, death is better than having one's body continue to breath after being desecrated by vaccination.

While, it seems, a majority in Australia believes that the preservation of the human biological-process for as long as technically possible is the be-all and end-all of life, you may not take it for granted that this is the only view.

I do concede that those who consider biological existence as an end for itself, as well as the avoidance of physical pain and disability, who do not consider their body a temple, who desecrate it anyway in so many other ways and with dozens of other toxins, may just as well get vaccinated rather than listen to shonky pseudo-scientists like Wakefield.

Yet there are others!

dear suze..you took the red pill/oR THE BLUE PILL
BUT YOU TOOK WHATEVER PILL THEY SAY.

DO YOU KNOW..HOW..they stole the wealth..
from indians natives and the abo's?

via doctors..killing off the leaders/teachers/with smallpox..IN BLANKETS..POISON IN FOOD..measles and smallpox, as well as typhus, tuberculosis and syphilis.
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=small+pox+colonisation+NEWFOUNDLAND&

'saving'..the useful idiots and judas goats
reeducating [oR RATHER DUMBFOUNDING DOWN..some representative examples the VERIFY THE COLONIZERS invasion theses.

MATE..im sorry for yelling..but cant read my own words through the tears..mate vaccines..have a use..[ie give them..to those who the sickness hurts..but sadly your just an propagandized but essentially IGNORANT NURSE..sounding as if a doctor..yet not a doctor..

FUNNY How you never refute links
or facts..just how i spELL IT OUT FOr you.

PLEASE REFUTE facts..with facts..not spellcheck.

here is someone..saying it better/than..I
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=16055&page=0

Most vaccination/proponents..will argue..that serious adverse reactions..are rare,..but*..if you/are affected..by one..this is not only cold/comfort..but*..a life changing challenge,..made much worse by..having no recourse..to compensation...>>..

NOR/treatment..[and worse BUTT COVERING/BY HEALERS?]

<<>> But another..big problem..is that we do/not have accurate,..agreed upon figures...[neutral/party-numbers]..

During the height..of the flu vaccine..adverse reactions in 2010 Peter Collignon,..a professor of infectious diseases from the Australian National/University..was interviewed by ABC news...*He felt the number/of adverse-reactions..*was probably..*under estimated, given..that authorities..*don't have*..a congruent and approachable..system..to monitor/minimize peoples'..adverse*..one or two weeks before a new vaccine is rolled out for the entire population.

"We need a better system than voluntary notification to the TGA (Therapeutic Goods Administration)..that there's a problem," he said. "Because whenever you do ..hat you really underestimate..how much of a problem there is.

This is a position he reiterates today...When I interviewed families who...claimed to have experienced an adverse reaction there was a common thread – medical professionals were unwilling to countenance the possibility,..even when the symptoms were extreme and immediate, and their cases..*were never referred to the TGA.

lest/we..forget..1..IN..100 HOSPITAL/Addmissions..is admitted/to be
by adverse-reaction/to prescribed-drugs...[1..in ten..reSULTS..IN Death]...

If we don't..*have statistics..on adverse*reactions,..both those supported by medical staff..and 'possibles',.how can we reasonably expect people ..to make informed..decisions,..or support a schedule where/this remains an unknown?

And how..can problems...with a product be identified..in a timely fashion..so harm..can be minimised?

Collignon's proposal,..namely that before a new vaccine is released, it could be tested on a sample group,..and these people could be closely and independently monitored,..would go a long way towards ensuring that products are safe and effective.

And whilst people..might accept some risk..in combating highly infectious diseases..with a high morbidity rate,..vaccines meant to prevent diseases..that have a very low morbidity rate in robust individuals..*need to be unequivocally safe.

The adverse reactions..that followed an iteration..of the flu vaccine in 2010..have had a dramatic impact upon families..who thought they were using a safe and effective product...just..like..the..kids killed in the trenches[ww1/biRDFLUE..ADVERSE ACTION/THEY ARE TRYING TO REPLICATE/TODAY..[2.3 RDS/SHall..die.]

Amazing,
To find I am in complete agreement with Foxy and Susie.

Its a no brainer, hundreds of thousands of kids have been saved by vaccination. Hard to believe there are people opposing vaccination.

One only has to walk around a large cemetery in our larger cities to see the number of infants graves to realize the death rates of children was extremely high.

Look forward to more and more vacines being available.

I would think that the 1905 - 1920 Smallpox epidemic in the Philippines was caused by bad batches of the Vaccine. Don't forget that Smallpox is the one of the most deadliest Viruses known to man & the hardest to kill.

Another Virus that has almost been eliminated through Vaccine is Plague. In three epidemics in the last 1000 years it almost wiped out the entire human population.

From personal experience. I was one of the first people in the world to have the Flu Vaccine. They gave it to 2 R.A.R in November 1965. Almost the entire Battalion came down with the Flu & they Quarantined Enoggera. So much for Xmas leave that year. Bad eggs apparently. No one died but it was touch & go for a while.

Ok, we have mentioned Polio. You wouldn't want Polio, believe me. Anyone old enough to have friends & relatives here would know.

If you go to the Ravenswood & Charters Towers Children's Cemeteries in North Queensland you will hardly find any child over the age of 6. They all died of Yellow Fever, Smallpox, Diphtheria & Hooping Cough & a few others like Cholera, Dengue Fever & Scarlet Fever. There are thousands of them in just two Cemeteries. No Vaccines for those scourges in those days.

It's very sad place & the Church on the hill is said to have the Ghosts of the children playing in the Church yard some nights.

Anyone who is against Vaccination should visit these Cemeteries. There are always flowers on graves.

I SEE THE ISSUE IS DEAD KIDS..WHOLE GRAVEYARDS FULL..OF EM
in the times of pandemic..they panic..they threw..anyone they didnt like together..into isolation..in huge mobs..[DEATH CAMOS]..THINK LIKE THE NATZIES..but PERFECTED..in/by colonization eradication techniques

little surprising most near died
from THE CURE..[That aggravated the disease]..ie being locked up with sick people..under doctors supervision...attended by nurses..poor foods..CAPOS ETC..etc

I DONT SEE ANY Rebuttal of my links
but only the emotive MILES OF DEAD KIDDIES
YES AND EACH DECLARED DEAD BY A QUACK..IN A HURRY TO LEAVE THE DEATH camps.

look get it through your thick heads
govt knew wet trenches filled with hungry youth/with guns
and bird flue would kill 10 million or so..on 'both sIDE'..YA THINK DOCTORS DIDNT HELP PLAN THESE THINGS?

LOOK AT DOCTER DEATH..experimenting away/starving people to death/vitamin DEFICIENCY..IODINE Deficiency..open slather under the natzies/intellectual capital held by bayer corp and other chemical industries THERE TO SLOW KILL US.

THEY KNEW ASBESTOS/SMOKING AGENT ORANGE RADIATION ETC ETC = BAD
YET YOU STILL HAVE FAITH....

anyhow go get ya shot..take YA PILL
OE..MORE EVEN TRYING TO READ..THE INSTRUCTION SHEET/WARNINGS..
its sheep to the SLAUGHTER..LIKE ALWAYS..sure it crops up in dibs AND DRABS..[50 MINUTE MARK/PLUS NEAR THE END]

http://rss.infowars.com/20140224_Mon_Alex.mp3

BUT ITS THE SAME..IN THE END..
TOO MANY PEOPLE..[TOO MANY OF US USELESS EATERS.]
and thats fine..till that day//they CAME FOR YOU/YOU ALREADY GOT THE CANCER THAT WILL KILL YOU..when you get stressed enough/like demons [mon-satano/..and other alchemical masters/planned]..

BUT IGNORANCE=BLISS
TILL YOU FIND-OUT..GET ANgry..and SEEK THEM OUT in their well deserved hell/thus many good true reject forgiving..and condem them selves into hell..to give payback/in fULL.

OUG,

Of course you don't see any rebuttals of your links because, I suspect, no one bothers to read them, I know that I don't.

Jayb,

I can beat you on the 'flu shot; 2 Base Workshops, 1957, experimental 'flu shots that did bugger all as far as any immediate reaction but I didn't get the 'flu for a number of years and then only mildly.

It is nothing short of amazing how crack-pots pushing anti-vaccination, circumcision, water birthing and so on are able to get at young parents-to-be.

I don't mean this unkindly but women are more disposed than men to prefer the unscientific, including appeals to intuition, third-hand anecdotal bollocks, even self-appointed 'experts' on day shows and in women's magazines. Pregnancy doesn't help. It is a time of vulnerability.

It is incumbent upon men to go to the doctors and be present at childbirth education as well and ensure they educate themselves and are firm on the facts and resolute in supporting their women. Not a bad idea to turn up at those mums soirees where a lot of odd stuff is discussed as fact. Mothers have very protective feelings about their offspring and those feelings are easily manipulated by confident sounding charlatans.

I can remember some very strange stuff being promoted in all sorts of venues/avenues you might not expect. Odd but some nurses have the official patter when 'doctor' is within earshot and something different when 'doctor' goes. That applies especially to pain control.

s Mise,
agreed I don't read his crazy befuddled posts either but still it is his right to post except he takes up so much good space.

Agree Chriss,

But OUG cheats and gets over the word limits by joining words together.

while reporting "..counter intelligence"..by those justifying those subversive activities...the agents of REDIRECTION..

VIA AVOIDANCE/RIDICULE..redirection//negation..ignorance and TROLLING AND via AD ADUMBRATE..enact ridicule..as...disinformation iys a large part of its covert action commissioning in their alloted..area of irresponsibility, and the.. people who are the primary target of its ridicule/..via COLLIDING lies."..simply sHRUG AND LOL.

BY GOLLY...OLLIE
YOU PAIR OF SPOOKS DO/TAKE THE CAKE
YOU ADMIT TO NOT READING ANYTHING..YET STILL KNOW ITS Wrong

gee..by osmosis these geniuses still remain ignorant/thus ignored

OUG'

Just going on past performance we'd know that it's wrong.

is*de'mise../quote....,<..Just going on past performance
we'd know that it's wrong....>>

just going by past life experience..
those not grasping the concept.s..skip past that they dont understand
and GENERALLY..correct errors..witH THEIR OWN FACTS..[but clearly..if you cant grasp the science/you skip blissfully ignorantly by

IMAGINE YOU HAVE A FUNNY SPOT..appear on your face..
do you a/ ignore it..or b/..get it seen to..or c/tell everyone your IGNORING IT..TO AVOID THEM BUGGING YOU ABOUT IT.

I CAN ACCEPT SOME FLATFOOT CHOSING TO BLIND EMSELF
BUT..THEN AGAIN..THE..father of a flat foot must have the same genes

mate..i wish/things wewre clearly/good/bad
but its not..every story has two sides
most are like jon ..at the other thread..they want simply whats best

but if you know a problem..coppers are morally bound to report it
even iF ITS YA DAUGHTER OR HER FATHER..COPS must do it

thus they come here..say we dont report nuthin[because we never read his posts]

but clearly by replying you have..OK THAT APPLIES TO CHRIS[WHO I WILL BE SUMMONSING INTO COURT/dPP THIS IS MY OFFICIAL NOTICE..to you/lot

but you ismise never [maybe-never]..certainly havnt..declared/publicly/to me..that you took the oath
unless your daughter is following the same carreeer path

THING IS ITS CRIMINAL/high treason..the things im exposing
and with all the watchers/police/informants etc at all levels

simply saying
'i seen nuthin'..thus what they reply reveals much/but mean nuthin.

just deliberated/corroborated/verified willful
chosen self censure..;..ignorance*

AND THATS HOW A LOYALIST SERVERS..HRH.. HIS OATH..?
beyond sad..or disappointing..its officially malfeasance*
[i KNOW..CHRIS..THATS A BIG WORD..but ask issie to explain.]
IN ORWELLIAN DOUBLE SPEAK..IN TRIPLICATE..ON THE RIGHT FORM..ASP/QED.RSVP/VIP...Rip.

Thank you for the responses.

The central argument of the anti-vaccinators is that mortality rates have dropped mainly due to increased hygiene and disease awareness.

They also point to years where deaths through vaccination are higher than the incidence of the disease.

Here is an interesting report form the early years of the polio vaccine. One point I found pertinent was the following;

“The success of diphtheria vaccine is dependent in part on its ability to decrease the number of healthy carriers of that germ. If a virulent diphtheria germ enters the throat of an immunized child, it is not so likely to live and grow as it would if the child were not immune. A vaccination program in diphtheria protects the vaccinated child and decreases the number of carriers in the community, thereby decreasing the number of children infected by coming in contact with such carriers. Vaccinating a child against diphtheria thus not only protects him but also to a certain extent protects nonimmune children in the same community by cutting down their exposure to the germ. When polio occurs, many of those who are in close contact with the patient—his family and his friends—become carriers of virulent polio virus in their gastrointestinal tracts. Such carriers probably play an important role in the transmission of this disease. It was hoped that polio vaccination would decrease the number of such healthy carriers and thus interfere with the transmission of the disease. Unfortunately, evidence being accumulated in four different laboratories indicates that it does not. All the evidence collected so far indicates that children immunized with polio vaccine are as likely to carry the living polio virus as are unvaccinated children. Polio vaccination, then, unlike diphtheria vaccination, can only protect the vaccinated person. Therefore, even if polio vaccination were 100 per cent effective, every person would have to be vaccinated in order to control the disease completely.”
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1957/02/how-good-is-the-polio-vaccine/303946/

cont...

Cont...

My discussion with the anti-vaccine nurse was instructive in that when I asked her if she would would be happy for her adult children to visit India or Pakistan un-vaccinated she retreated a little and said as long as her children were aware and informed of the risks of vaccinations then she was okay. Why is it that the target seems to be the triple shot given to children who are not able to appraise themselves of the relevant information nor make a decision for themselves?

It does indeed seem selfish.

Another point she raised was about the increases in ADHD which she directly attributed to childhood vaccines.

However this story released today shows just how much her factors are at play.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-25/adhd-link-to-paracetamol-use-during-pregnancy/5284044

Dear Is Mise,

I read the following, which was posted by one under god, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 10:44:19 AM, to my family last night. As a spoken word piece it absolutely sang, especially given the appropriate inflection which is aptly signposted by his punctuation and capitalisation. I will happily admit to not reading all his posts but I do recognise them as his way of communicating and enjoy them when I have the time.

I often disagree strongly with his message but that in itself is not a reason for shutting him up.

I don't want to shut him up and may have written in defence of him when it was suggested a few months ago that he be banned.

Like the Court Jester of yore OUG serves a useful purpose.

its funny..IN REALITY..THAT/WHAT WAS\.JUST BESPOKEN OF ME
IS JUST LIKE..THE BEAST..WITHIN ME..HASTY SPOKEN/THAT WAS AWOKEN..[i have always been..the jester/the fool/loner/hermit..EVEN IF I TRY TO BE COOL,,i yet get hot...MAYBE NOT.

i cant wear white..im hands on..and my hands end up..on me[or rather my clothing]..much to quickLY/and the dirt is there to attest[BUT DIRT IS SEEN..

BUT..ITS THE UNSEEN DIRT..THAT KILLS YOU.

THAT BIT STEELS WROTE....that quote..that did note
quote..<<>.Polio vaccination, then, unlike diphtheria vaccination, can only protect the vaccinated person...>>

THATS..THE BIG IDEA..VACINATION..HIDES THE DISEASE/sympTOM.
SO ITS LIE A THIEF IN THE NIGHT.

BUT THEN..<<.. Therefore,..*even if*.. polio vaccination ..were 100 per cent effective, every person would have to be vaccinated in order to control..tHE WITNESS..OF*THE SYMPTOM*..of..the disease completely.”>>

common sense..though
reveals..THE DISEASE STILL NEEDS PASS FROM VACCINATED PERSON..[TO VACCINATED PERSON]..TO VACCINATED PERSON..TILL IT FINDS ONE..WHO EXPRESSES THE SIGN*..[ie not vacinated

[IE THE DISEASE HAS MERELY BECOME INVISIBLE]..
till that day you stop..giving IN TO THEIR COLLUDED TREASAON/blackmail/BY taking their shots..THAT KILL GOOD.BAD ALINK[WHOLE FAMILIES OF GENUS/GOOD BAD ALIKE.

so A BILLION..ok a life time..say a few/YEARS FROM NOW
THEY WILL STILL BE INJECTING..THE invisible ELEPHANT VACCINES
TILL,ONE DAy..they STOP..

AND only/then..WE SEE..ITS SYMPTOM Yet again
and we see the elephant..was really a pink elephant
some DRUNK THUNK-UP..IN A HOLLYWOOD MOVIE..BUT WORSE..[

that ye see in word form
I HEAR THIS STUFF AS A RAP*..in-for..]

its like the pages of a book..wrote line by line..SYLIBLE..BY SILLY*BILL..letter WORD SOUND AND VOWEL..each line AS IF..by a new singer/EACH ADDING..THEIR..OWN 'KEY'/BITE..BIt by BIT..

but..how to steer them..BACK TO THE BEst..of our traditions..into a role..THAT SEEKS TO SPEAK CLEAR..its that the fear..is worse THAN THE reality..

[i too got sick..the old fashion way..by friend..LOVER/FATHER SISTER MOTHER AND OTHER..just like god intended..[most of us did]..but nowadays..we can minimize the 'skin damage/nerve damage'..etc..FEVERS PAIns and issues

THANKS STEELY
FOR NOTING TOO..the danger..of adverse reaction...now ..outweighing the actual damage..from the disease

2 B CTD

lest we forget..our immune systems..*need to fight gerMS
THat..99 percent of Germs are harmless to beneficial/add in the micro flora/molds worms etc..without which WE DIE..OR GET SICK..AS MENgDLER LEARNED in the death camps..

its not any real secret..we need the safter germs/
to get rid of what the bad germs..wOULD NEED TO FEED ON
no food..no damage

please recall//we are the result..of those GENES..WHO SURVIVED
ONLY BY KILLING OUR IMMUNITY GERMS FIRST CAN THEY GET US EVER AGAIN.

thats why we arnt dead yet
we STILL IN ESSENCE TOO Dirty..ie /not sterile clean/..yet..
ie..in the end we cant GET RID OF GERMS..SO ITS BEST YOU GOT a working immune system..[WE DONT EVEN SWAP SPIT KISSING ANYMORE.]

I RECALL IN THE OLD DAYS THEY BROUGHT EVERYONE FROM THE VILLAGE
TO KISS THE NEW BORN..it GIVES THEM HERD IMMUNITY..BY EXPOSURE
AS MUCH AS Revealing

the health of the whole village
aND SORTING fore immunizing..the baby at its peak resistance[mother antibodies pLUs the tribes..we are ALL READY TOO CLEAN..MANY KIDS GET SICK..from nuthin more complicated than a trace OF PEANUt

go get dirty/the Russians use phages/YA FIND THEm in dirt
get a little dirt in your gut

ALEX HAS ANOTHER POLIO/LIKE*..THING COMING UP
IN THE LAST HOUR
http://rss.infowars.com/20140225_Tue_Alex.mp3

OUG,

Have you ever seen a person with smallpox?

Is Mise,
Is there a vaccination against UOGs

yes..is mise..i have seen pictures
did you know..that small pox HAS HAD THOUSANDS OF EVOLUTIONS?
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=small+pox+evolution&

the biggest danger is medicine treating everyONE AS IF WE WERE THE RUNT OF THE LITTER[OF COURSE ITS NOT SURPRISING..IN ITSELF AS WE DIDNT COME FROM APES AS MUCH AS PIGS/YET ANOTHER LIE SCIENCE HASNT GOTTEN ROUND TO EXPLAINING.

the same science lies/to THEIR FAITHFUL/VICTIMS.

GO TO
http://www.macroevolution.net/human-origins-2.html
LOOK AT THE..LIGHT GREEN BOX..PLEASE NOTE CAREFULLY..
THE WHY..of..THE NEW/INTRODUCED BY PIG HYBRID..REQUIRED DIFFERENT ALIGNMENT PARAMETERS?..[see under]

<..Changing the rules..so a different result emerges?>>

SCIENCE CLAIMS..ITS STRENGTH..IS IT ADAPTS..as the facts adapt
but clearly...those not wanting to know..hate how facts reveal they only had faith..

http://phys.org/news/2013-07-chimp-pig-hybrid-humans.html

YEt..the pig has all of eM*..[HOW DID WE 'EVOLVE'..THEM..IN A MERE 100,000 YEARS..yet..[APES..UNCHANGED FOR MILLIONS OF YEARS.]

Looking at a subset..of the listed traits,..it's clear that the other parent..in this hypothetical cross..that produced the first human would be an intelligent animal..with a protrusive,..cartilaginous nose,..a thick layer..of subcutaneous fat,.short digits,..and a naked skin.

It would be terrestrial,..not arboreal,..and adaptable to a wide range of foods..and environments...These traits may bring a particular creature to mind...

In fact,..a particular non-primate does have,..not only each of the few traits..just mentioned,..but every one of the many traits..listed in the sidebar..

[IE..OUR GRANDMA...GRANPA].
ready..to name names?..

FORGET TAXONOMY/..ITS REFUTED/turns out
the same..'TAXONOMIC'..features evolved..via many MUTATIONS/many GENE-RECOMBINATION.S

god..did not place pigs..and humans..in different taxonomic/orders. Taxonomists did...A great deal of evidence..(read a discussion of this topic)..exists to suggest..that taxonomists are,..in no way, infallible.

http://www.macroevolution.net/dubious-assumptions.html
Our ideas..concerning the proper categorization..of animals are shaped..by bias and tradition..to such an extent..that it would be rash to reject,..[solely on taxonomic grounds,]..the feasibility of such a cross.
http://www.macroevolution.net/hybrid-hypothesis-section-6.html

Chriss,

A few drams o' Glenfiddich helps but the dose must be repeated at frequent intervals.

OUG,

I didn't ask about pictures, so we can take it that you've never seen a smallpox victim; figures.

ISMISE..HAS SEEN/..WITH HIS OWN EYES

YET IGNORES..new..LEARNING

There are side effects and risks associated with the smallpox vaccine. In the past, about 1 out of 1,000 people vaccinated for the first time experienced serious, but non-life-threatening, reactions including toxic or allergic reaction at the site of the vaccination (erythema multiforme), spread of the vaccinia virus to other parts of the body, and to other individuals.

Potentially life-threatening reactions occurred in 14 to 500 people out of every 1 million people vaccinated for the first time. Based on past experience, it is estimated that 1 or 2 people in 1 million (0.000198%) who receive the vaccine may die as a result, most often the result of postvaccinial encephalitis or severe necrosis in the area of vaccination (called progressive vaccinia).[38]

Given these risks, as smallpox became effectively eradicated and the number of naturally occurring cases fell below the number of vaccine-induced illnesses and deaths, routine childhood vaccination was discontinued in the United States in 1972, and was abandoned in most European countries in the early 1970s

so you saw it early 70.s

great im impressed/but you didnt get it..[get it?]

SO WATCH-OUT MATE
[ITS GOING TO GET YA/now...BOOGY BOOGILY BOO]
its coming to get you

<<..] Age distribution of smallpox infections depends on acquired immunity. Vaccination immunity declines over time and is probably lost in all but the most recently vaccinated populations>.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox

n addition, a form called variola sine eruptione
(smallpox without rash)..was seen generally,ONLY..in vaccinated persons.

OUG,

Actually I saw smallpox in the 1950s and I was very thankful that I'd been vaccinated and thanks for those encouraging figures that prove the efficacy of the smallpox vaccine.

I think that whatever drives this movement, it is still up to the parents if they will trust the medical society and have their child vaccinated. People have their own beliefs and point of view, I as a parent also heard of this Autism related issues linked to triple vaccination shots, however, the pediatrician assured me that this is not proven, besides, all our family members took the shot and they're all good. I would have to trust my baby's pediatrician on this.

Fordham University mumps outbreak affecting only vaccinated students; school bans unvaccinated students anyway
http://www.naturalnews.com/044087_vaccinated_students_mumps_outbreaks_Fordham_University.html

One of New York's lesser-known institutions of higher learning is making headlines after 13 confirmed cases, and counting, of mumps emerged on two of its campuses, prompting school officials to impetuously ban all unvaccinated students from attending classes. But these same reports clearly indicate that all affected students had already been vaccinated for mumps, proving once again the utter uselessness of vaccines and the imbecilic tendencies of organizations chained to the vaccine status quo.
http://xrepublic.tv/node/7650

OUG,

Did it hot occur to you that banning those not vaccinated was an obvious safety precaution and well within the perceived duty of care of the administration?

ismise..Did it Not occur to you
that banning those not vaccinated..was an obvious SCAPEGOATING..NOT A safety precaution.?

THINK PLEASE man..wHY DO YOU Vaccinate
so you dont get sick..[ya with ME]..WELL THOSE NOT Vaccinated didnt get sick..[but those vaccinated did]..

now it MAKES YOU THINK..
[OK..Makes some/THINK..but not you

but lets try..say you drink
and i get drunk...you would say..
but 'i' ie you..paid to get drunk..

[ok so sick..ISNT..like drunk..[after all you lot
put your life on the line/because you didnt want to get sick
[but only you lot..that took the cure..to not get sick..GOT SICK..[HUH?]

HOW CAN I EXPLAIN IT MORE clear dear?

you got their injection/only you got SICK
BUT HOW ITS SUPERPOSED TO WORK..IS THEY GET SICK/NOT YOU
BUT YOUR LOT GOT SICK..[SIC*]..and all you got to say is

<<..and well within the perceived duty of care of the administration>>

WELL DONE..they did their job..[got you sick?]
its so hard to talk TO A CLOSED MIND

none NOT ONE]..whO..DIDN'T GEt immunity injections..got sick
the only ones who got sick..thought they would be healthy
[CAUSE THEY GOT 'immunized'..INSTEAD THEY GOT INFECTED..]

ITS A HUGE SIC*
BUT YOUR TOO BLIND TO SEE .

PLEASE GET MORE SHOTS..ITS URGENT..DO IT TODAY MATE
HURRY DONT BE LATE....QUICKLY NOW LETS JUST SLIP IN A LITTLE PRIC

FEEL BETTER?
OK LETS HAVE ANOTHER ONE..PUT MORE MERCURY IN YOURS/ARE YOU sure your drinking your glass of rat poison..[fluoride]..go brush ya teeth ..Jeffry...see how the poison GETS IN/JUST LIKE THIS PIECE OF CHALK.

oh no the sky is falling
quick pay more carbon tax

cut smoking..OR WE TAX You
now stop working so we caN

TAX YOU/SAME SAME..SELL YOU THE DELUSION
amd..COME IN SPINNER*..PLEASE TRY READING THE LINKS.

use this link
http://www.naturalnews.com/unvaccinated.html

some samples

Vaccinated children have up to 500% more disease
than unvaccinated children

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/unvaccinated.html#ixzz2ubnwhfnI

http://www.naturalnews.com/036220_vaccinated_children_disease_allergies.html

vaccinated people a public health threat? Nope, people who take antibiotics are the real danger


Pediatrician's refusal to treat unvaccinated kids: Legal and ethical ramifications

Learn more:
http://www.naturalnews.com/unvaccinated.html#ixzz2uboEqUuv

Concept-related articles:
Children:

* The ADHD Scam and the Mass Drugging of Schoolchildren (Transcript)
* Vaccines and Medical Experiments on Children, Minorities, Woman and Inmates (1845 - 2007)
* Human medical experimentation on children: The exploitation of poor children by Big Pharma (part two)
* Child-centered marketing causing kids to carry unhealthy food habits into adulthood
* Top 20 things that are more dangerous to children than lead paint in Mattel toys

Disease:

* Disease Economy: How the United States economy runs on "treating" chronic disease

Vaccine:

* Facebook crowdsourced investigation exposes vaccine denials of SIGA Technologies

Research:

* Human medical experimentation in the United States: The shocking true history of modern medicine and psychiatry (1965-2005)

Adults:

* Shock vaccine study reveals influenza vaccines only prevent the flu in 1.5 out of 100 adults (not 60% as you've been told)

Childhood:

* Why Vaccinations Harm Children: Health Experts Sound Off

Researchers:

* Human medical experimentation in the United States: The shocking true history of modern medicine and psychiatry (1833-1965)

Vaccines:

* Institute of Medicine adverse reactions report admits MMR vaccines cause measles, seizures, anaphylaxis and other health problems

Adhd:

* While scientists clash over the dangers of ADHD drugs, the U.S. government does nothing to protect children

Mercury:

* Mercury Fillings Shattered! FDA, ADA Conspiracy to Poison Children with Toxic Mercury Fillings Exposed in Groundbreaking Lawsuit

Autism:

* The great thimerosal cover-up: Mercury, vaccines, autism and your child's health

Thimerosal:

* The great thimerosal cover-up: Mercury, vaccines, autism and your child's health

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/unvaccinated.html#ixzz2ubp17VAK

Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise." -- Adolf Hitler
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/856-why-do-good-people-become-silentor-worseabout-911.html

Studies Prove Without Doubt That Unvaccinated Children Are Far Healthier
http://www.naturalblaze.com/2014/02/studies-prove-without-doubt-that.html

by Christina England

A study from the 1990s has come to light, proving that compared to unvaccinated children, vaccinated children were more likely to suffer from asthma, eczema, ear infections, hyperactivity and many other chronic conditions. Furthermore, the study identified that there was a ten-fold increase in the incidence of tonsillitis in the children who were vaccinated, and a total lack tonsillectomy operations among the children who were unvaccinated.

In 1992, the Immunization Awareness Society (IAS) conducted a survey to examine the health of New Zealand’s children. Unsurprisingly, the results of their study indicated that unvaccinated children were far healthier than vaccinated children...

Could polio or other vaccinations be behind the new "polio-like" Illness outbreak in California?

http://www.naturalnews.com/044104_polio-like_outbreak_polio_vaccine_childhood_paralysis.html#

According to reports, there are now about 25 or more cases, and counting, of a new "polio-like" outbreak in California children. Disease control officials have yet to determine the cause of the outbreak and they are looking for a new virus. Perhaps one direction they should take a look at is polio and other childhood vaccinations.

Initial reports have indicated that the children being affected by the new disease have all been vaccinated against polio. The scenario of children vaccinated against polio and other illnesses coming down with a "polio-like" illness is all too familiar. Look for example at what happened in India when widespread polio vaccinations were used to reportedly eradicate polio from India.

http://enenews.com/new-tests-show-plutonium-millions-of-times-above-normal-levels-at-wipp-site-concern-air-filters-at-plant-may-not-have-worked-govt-accussed-of-lying-about-radiation-leak-video

http://www.wakingtimes.com/2014/02/28/longterm-health-impact-toxic-food-packaging/
http://www.essentialprepper.com/scientific-evidence-man-made-global-warming/
http://www.naturalblaze.com/2014/02/bisphenol-bpa-at-very-low-levels-can.html

http://www.naturalblaze.com/2014/02/fdas-proposed-nutrition-facts-labels-to.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL7UJ6JU1sQ&feature=c4-overview&list=UU2Xd902w9u5_2oa7SHFSvZw#t=0m05s

UOG: Studies Prove Without Doubt That Unvaccinated Children Are Far Healthier

Provided they are kept in sterile conditions. Taken out of those conditions they die. Children that are allowed to play in dirt are much healthier, a few die by catching a bug, but that's nature. Vaccinate them early enough & very, very few die or are maimed for life.

If a few die because of the Vaccination, just think what would have happened to them if they hadn't been vaccinated. They would have died anyway. Some people get brain cancer from using their iPhone, most don't. Some people get hit by a car & die just walking along the road.

If the bullet has you name on it, it doesn't matter where you are or what you are doing or did. You are gonna die anyway. Sala vie.

jb..<<..You are gonna die anyway. Sala vie.>>

so why vacinate
go easY ON REWRITING WHAT THE ARTICLE SAys
IE NUTHIN ABOUT..STERILE..[DIRT IS WONDERFUL STUFF]

Anyhow/some quotes

During the study, another interesting fact emerged. Researchers discovered that 92 percent of the children requiring a tonsillectomy operation had received the measles vaccination, indicating that the vaccination for measles may have made some of the children more susceptible to tonsillitis.

A study from the 1990s has come to light, proving that compared to unvaccinated children, vaccinated children were more likely to suffer from asthma, eczema, ear infections, hyperactivity and many other chronic conditions.

Furthermore, the study identified that there was a ten-fold increase in the incidence of tonsillitis in the children who were vaccinated, and a total lack tonsillectomy operations among the children who were unvaccinated.

results showed that vaccinated children were up to five times more likely to suffer from a variety of diseases and disorders than unvaccinated children.

These studies show without doubt that unvaccinated children are healthier than their vaccinated peers and, for this reason, these studies should be given careful consideration by all parents and professionals studying vaccination safety.

References

1. http://www.viewbix.com/v/Unvaccinated-Children-Healthier…
2. http://healthimpactnews.com/2011/new-study-vaccinated-children-have-2-to-5-times-more-diseases…
3. http://www.vaccineinjury.info/vaccinations-in-general/health-unvaccinated-children…
4. http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html

OUG,

Thanks for all those dodgy links, I didn't look at any of them but I did check your 4 references, 3 of them didn't come up.

"Smallpox is believed to have emerged in human populations about 10,000 BC.[4] The earliest physical evidence of it is probably the pustular rash on the mummified body of Pharaoh Ramses V of Egypt.[9] The disease killed an estimated 400,000 Europeans annually during the closing years of the 18th century (including five reigning monarchs),[10] and was responsible for a third of all blindness.[6][11] Of all those infected, 20–60%—and over 80% of infected children—died from the disease.[12] Smallpox was responsible for an estimated 300–500 million deaths during the 20th century.[13][14][15] As recently as 1967, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimated that 15 million people contracted the disease and that two million died in that year.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox

Just imagine how many might have lived hag there been no vaccination.

Wake up OUG neither science nor the odds are on your side.

Dream on and be thankful that you will never see the ravages of smallpox.

UOG: During the study, another interesting fact emerged.

Most children studied had 5 toes on their right foot & five toes on their left foot. Eleven in all.

10, 9, 8, 7, 6. On the right foot & 1,2,3,4,5 on the Left make 11. ;-)
Studies can be soooo interesting.

ismise..i have no DOG IN THE GAME
wether any of you vaccinatee..or not i get the same..from it..[zero/nadda/nuthing nix]..in short i couldnt give a flying fLUk..one way or the other.

i hate that stupidity revealed by jayb POST
THE 11 DIGITS..theorem..has as much science weight as EDUCATED GUESS/..MADE BY THOSE GETTING MONEY FROM your PANIC..into our FORCED INOCULATION.

MATE ITS NOT THE VACCINATION AS SUCH
BUT THAT YOU LOT Got blind faith..WILL TAKE WHAT YOUR TOLD WHEN YOUR TOLD..MINDLESSLY

MATE ITS LIKE PUTTING IN FLEUride..for bAD TEETH..even if it worked
its that every water system..has a portal..TO ADD ANYTHING INTO YOUR DRINKING WATER..[NOW A DAYS Any hitler or sTALIN..DONT NEED DO ANYTHING BUT CHANGE THE DOSAGE,..OR THE SUBSTANCE..of their choice/to kill of ANYONE DRINKING IT/FAST KIL OR SLOW KILL

AS ANY GENOCIDAL MANIAC WITH 11 TOES CHOOSES
and media will say its cause we arnt drinking enough water

look at the number of times 'estimate'..was used in your brief quote..[that YOU TOOK FROM A RE-QUOTE OF MY EARLIER RESEARCH link ..things is we all die..in the end.

SOME MINDLESSLY..accepting the estimates of an 11 toe toady..IN A LAb coat..others dressed as cops/nurses or wanna-BE'S..but they all are there..[on faith]..doing their duty..[doing AS THEIR TOLD]..EVEN TAKING Their jab..on faith..just like the gypsies/HOMO'S/OLD/TO YOUNG.. SICK..DEVIANTS AND jews went to the showers..AS CHOSEN BY THEIR BETTORS..[THE CAPOS]

ANYHOW..IM ONLY REQUIRED TO PRESENT THAT PRESENTED.
now when it inevitably occurs i can say i tried..to tell em
if i prevented just one sheep from BEING MURDERED..it will be worth it

the things..is small pox is eradicated
[BUT STILL BEING Experimented on..it can come back..accidentally on purpose..whenever they need the cash flow..or a convenient genocide..any time satans moneyed minions chose.

im oVER FIGHTING..IT.
IM OVER THINKING..FURTHER..ABOUT 'IT'...

Just one small point OUG; sheep cannot be murdered.

i recall once reading a few pages..of a BOOK CALLED 101 USES FOR A DEAD CAT..TO BE HONEST THEY DIDN'T DIFFERENTIATE ON HOW..THEY GOT DEAD

I FIGURE IF YOU SLAUGHTER A SHEEP..WITHOUT intent..its not murder...but if you plan killinG IT..OR BUILD A SLAUGHTER HOUSE..OR EVEN IF YOU only supplied the means..[by which murder is planned by some tO BE DONE]..THEN CONDITIONALLY/LIKELY..or probably..together they conspired to murder the sheeple.

IN THE END..WHAT I THINK...isnt important
bUT IT SEEMS IMPORTANT TO YOU TO HAVE THE LAST SAY

THUS i walk away
CATCH UP WITH YA AN OTher day

so lets listen to the experts steely redux disputed with..to begin this topic..lest we forget..they are 'un THE FIELD'..THEY STudied this life/death issue/they dont say this lightly

<<..Last night at a dinner party I STEELS]..got into a discussion with a nurse *..and her husband about vaccinations. It was a real eye-opener. This person was stridently against them and quoted statistics on polio, small pox, measles, Austism and asthma to make her case.>>

I TOO HAVE HEARD FROM THOSE perts
looking at the links before big pharma had them removed..I DONT KNOW THEM WELL ENOUGH TO CALL THEM I LIAR..but i do know they [like me]..do it out of concern/and for free...[too many think a wage check..means they bought you off.]

ST LEAST STEELREDUX HAS friends willing to talk truth
[normally these threads are begun/by lobby..to help get govt cash..or a nEW LAW]..LIKE WE WATCHED THE ZIONIS

follow thS DO..RECENTLY..YP GET THROUgh the new troll law[so they can do their evil and call troll of HOLOCAUST DENIER

MATE IM jUST BURNT OUT KNOWING HOW VILE SOME ARE

follow the money
if your not sick..dont go to the place of super buggs
nor let them put bugs inside you or in your SOFT WARE
and how compLICITLY IGNORANT..THE REST of us have become.

Oneundergod , even if the 'studies' did show that vaccinated kids had more asthma, eczema and hyperactivity than unvaccinated kids, I would still advocate vaccination.

Hmmm....let's see, hands up all those who would prefer their kids to have polio, whooping cough, diphtheria or smallpox, as opposed to the above mentioned conditions?
Anyone?
No?

I rest my case...

`SO SUE ME/Quote..<<..even if the 'studies' did show that vaccinated kids had more asthma, eczema and hyperactivity than unvaccinated kids, I would still advocate vaccination.>>

cool..so we can sue you?
se if you*..make someone sick/you lot make it worse
hiding/covering it up..so we cant sue..

if you lot were really caring for our health
WHY COME OUT ON A PUBLIC FORUM SAYING ITS JUST FINE/WITH YOU

[just like that aggressive police fellow..who loves his mission/putting us in our place/wITH HIS BOOT/GUN AND TAZER

[YOU ONLY GOT NEEDLES..but you lot think ya god

<<..Hmmm....let's see, hands up all those who would prefer their kids to have polio,>>

Australia was declared polio free
by the World Health Organization in 2000
SO ALL YOU INJECTED..ONLY GOT THE SIDE AFFECTS

47,000 FROM YOUR VACCINATIONS
http://avn.org.au/2012/05/47500-paralysis-cases-after-polio-vaccine/

`I DONT BLAME YOU
I BLAME YA LAWYERS,,who hide
inconvenient truths..behind a wall of ignorance..
knowing YOUR KILLING US..BY YOUR OWN..WILLFUL NEGLIGENT CHOSEN IGNORANCE...

for spurious reasons..jobs jobs jobs
money money money..spin is sin/..NO WONDER YOU HOPE THERES no god

Oneundergod, thanks for not blaming me...

I'm sorry, but even if it can be proved that one person had an adverse reaction to a vaccination, the millions of others who didn't have a reaction and were now safe from awful diseases, would far outweigh the few who had problems.

Surely even you, who believe there are are gods in the sky, can understand that logic?

suzie..i cANT..blame you for anything
like a child..we parrot back..what we hear from those we look up to[BUT SADLY..ALL our heroes in this realm..have feet of clay/

and adverse REACTION..TO prescribed medications..is a huge unspoken issue/and if every death was autopsied..it would prove mankinds biggest danger/but sadly anyone/who dies..while *under a doctors supervision/is accorded the cause of death/by that docters word alone.

that self policing is huge/yet even with that being a clear and present DANGER/the numbers we do have acces to/reveal much[one in every one hundred hospital admissions..is adverse reaction TO PRESCRIBED MEDS..ONE IN TEN RESULTS IN DEATH..

[REMEMBER THIS IS BY DOCTORS OWN WRITING..on death certifications.. OF their stated CAUSE OF DEATH..]..so the true numbers will be much higher/its only human nature/absolute power does corrupt absolutly

who is to say..you must..do as the doctor tells you
sadly they dont do as we ask[recently..i went under the knife/for a boil..i said do not revive..[i died]..they rang MUM SHE SAID REVIVE.

mate..my teeth are a mess..[but only 13 years ago they were all present/and great..ok i live with the mercury fillings..but anYHOW HAD A TOOTHACHE..saw the dentist..[he SAW THE DIRTY TEETH..OF A SMOKER/SAID THEY ONLY NEED A CLEAN..[so cleaned them..with a fine drill bit/along the gum line/..he said lotsa blood was normal

WHAT HE ACTUALLY WAS DOING WAS ENGRAVING AWAY THE TOOTH ENAMAL..ON THE GUM LINE..AND BETWEEN THE TEETH..[I SUPPOSE SMOKERS HAVING NICE TEETH DONT FIT THE SMOKERS PROPAGANDA..ANYHOW..so they been gradually getting ripped out..at least one per year..AND I CANT FIND A PAIN FREE tooth to bite.chew food with

this year alone i lost a large filling..xmass..from a molar
lost the eye tooth..and its adjoin incisor just today..[but i hate talking about me]..talking to those as helpless as me...

NONE AT THE FORUM..CAN FIX ANY OF this
so its no use blaming any-one..here

thing is sue..you know your reality/i know things frOM MINE..and i hate the stuff life thrust into mine/that i know they plan to do/have done..to many of us..just field tests..

think..

2b ctd?..post limits permitting

i been watching teeth[you know how on tv all have perfect teeth]..but with the commentators/COMMENTARY.. being the new 'news'..we see a lot of really bad teeth..

yet what does govt want to do[fix teeth..NO*]
..they want to give paid leave to new mums]..that money would prevent much sickness..[if dentists really cared]..IF GOVT REALLY CARED..IF CARERS REALLY CARED..but they cant..lawyers rule..

CAPITALISTS PREY..on us all/
their lawYERS MAKE THE LAW..GOVT ISNT THERE TO OPPRESS US.
NOR MAKE WAR ON US..but to serve and PROTECT US[THE COMMON WEALTH]..

BUT GETTING ANGRY AT YOU OR CHRIS..you cant cxhange anything/even your MIND..BUT/..YOU CANT HELP BEING..the carers your being..SEEING THE THINGS..YOUR SEEING..[but then neither can i]

the causers of the problem..are busy letting the workers..'HAMDLE IT'..[mind programed/trolls..[USEFUL-IDIOTS]..do their ROTE propaganda..TRAINING..[not job]..BUT TO TELL THEM THE TRUTH..ISNT FOR ME TO JUDGE..[NOR A THING I WOULD LY ON YOU]

BUT MATE WHO CAN I GET angry to?
im not really angry at you..only that you unthinkingly do..[with no doudt the best intentions/until you judge me a smoker..and then forget..the care seeing a poisener/trying to kill you..via pASSIVE SMOKING.

YET THE DRUNK NEEDING A NEW LIVER..[OR THE DIABETIC..[ONE illion of them now/estimates SAY 3 MILLION..BY 2020]..ALL SELF INFLICTED/drunks CAR WRECK SPEEDSTERS..daredevils sports stars self injury..nope their ok

[its only the smokers]..
right?

no wrong..thats the spin/divide and conquer
fight or flight..you seen how many dopers come in aND TEAR YA ARMS OFF[not]..yet the drunks speed freaks/lolly eaters and fat slobs..they get your care/

BUT me they cant even let old stinky die in peace
i knew a docter or a cop would cause my death..[but gosh..its back]

next time can i put dnr
and put you as next of kin..to restate DNR*..and escape this hell.
the healers are making me sick..im sick of being the client FOR POLICING TOO/AND IM SICK OF PAYING SMOKERS TAX BASED ON LIES/THANK GOD I DONT DRINK..OR THE BOOZE TAX WOULD MAKE ME MORE ANGRY STILL.

Hmmm... OUG. If you were with a group of, say 50 people & you are very likely to contract a horrible disease. I have a magic potion that if taken will save 49 of you. One will die. If not taken 49 will die & one will live.

The choice is yours. Do YOU take the magic potion? You could be the one to die. Of course if you don't take it, you maybe the one to live. Will YOU take the gamble? Yes or No. No deflection, please.

dear JAY..I DONT KNOW 50 PEOPLE..i dont talk to people
donT GO TO WORK/PLAy nor holiday/dont go out dont dont go to weddings births nor DEATHS..I GET UP IN THE MORNING AND BLOG..eat blog..drink blog..so if 49PEOPLE LIVE CAUSE I DIE..GREAT..SIGn me up.

THE TROUBLE IS ITS NOT THAT SIMPLE..[REMEMBER 3 OUT OF 4 OF US SIMPLY CANNOT 'GET CANCER'..NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO..BUT HOW MANY OF THEM3/4..ARE IN THE 50..[if all the 50 is from the 1/in 4 me dying wont stop them dying too]

thing is jab..you pulled that 49/50 thing from ya butt
there is no real life application[IM MINDED OF THE FAT GUY TEST
[IE A TRAIN IS RUNNING OUT OF CONTROL/IF YOU DONT ROLE THE FAT DUDE[SMOKER]..UNDER THE TRAIN..AND STOP IT..3 FOOLS STANDING ON THE TRACKS DOWNSTREAM/WILL DIE.

WELL MATE PUSHING FATTY UNDER THE TRAIN=MURDER
its that simple..would you let any one get murderd
WOULD YOU THROW BUDDHA UNDER THE BUSS TO SAVE THREE DENTIsts?

its all distraction..would i die for 49 in a minute
would i want one to DIE..FOR ME..?
NO

DOCTERS SHOULD ONLY 'TREAT'..THE SICK
IF AND WHEN THE SICK[SIC/DANGER COMES]..ONLY THEN IS The minimul risK..OF KILLING FATTIE..EVEn worth considering..

IF A DUDE WITH AIDS IS planniNG..ON RAPING 49 People..what would you do?

me i would do a loki.

Dear Jayb,

I wonder why Western culture overemphasises the importance of life (in the biological sense) to the point of obsession.

While you are trying to push OUG to the wall, you omitted crucial information: other than biological survival, you failed to mention anything about the QUALITY of life after taking the magic potion and how it stands in comparison with that "horrible" disease. Also, what actually is it that makes the disease horrible - is it just the fact of death or is there some other factor? have you considered that what is 'horrible' for one is not that horrible for another?

For example, if one is a farmer, then losing a finger is not the end of the world, but if one is a musician playing an instrument, then one has lost their purpose to live. It is wrong to assume that the effects and risks of vaccination are the same for everyone.

I therefore believe that OUG deserves more information before s/he can answer your question.

Ok then, let's do it again.

If you were with a group of, say 50 people & you are very likely to contract a horrible disease. I have a magic potion that if taken will save 49 of you. One will die & one will be slightly affected mentally.

If not taken 48 will die & one will live in a vegetative state & one will survive unharmed, apart from a few physical markings on their face. (that's for the girls)

The choice is yours. Do YOU take the magic potion? You could be the one to die. Of course if you don't take it, you maybe the one to live. Will YOU take the gamble? Yes or No. No deflection, please.

Yuyutsu: is it just the fact of death or is there some other factor?

You are reading too much into it.

Ok then,
let's do it..again.

<,..If you..were with..a group of,..say 50 people..&
you.are very likely..to contract a horrible disease.>>..

so all things being equal/we all are..the same/ris..
so the question is..50 PEOPLE ARE LIKELY..TO GET SICK..[sorry not sick..LIKELY..TO contract..a horrible disease.]..CAUSE WE all slept with loki/..who has..[MAYBE]..GIFTED/US..aids

BUT WAIT,,SAY'S JAB

<<..I have a magic potion..that if taken..will save..49 of you.
One will die..&..one will be slightly affected mentally.>>

OK FAIR ENOUGH....[ITS CLEARLY MAJIC]..
LIKE THE 11 Toe thing.YET.by my math 50/minus one dead/and one slightly retarded=2

IE.ONLY 48..ARE SAVED*/..NOT 49
BUT LEts ignore..that as irrelevance too

<<..If not taken.48 will>>..*LIKELY*..TO<<.die &>>
HOW OLD.ARE THESE 48..THE TWO SURVIVING..how long..wilL THEY SURVIVe?

no 'majic formula"..works by magic
IT WORKS BY SCIENCE-FACT..[Reportedly]..so science
someHOW KNOWS..THIS BE-CAUSE IT FIELD TESTED THIS IN india/or in a Chinese prison..or Aussie hospital..where thousands die..so the elite SCUM can get their..'safe dosage/and the scum..get..the cheap hot shot

with..YOUR MAJIC Elixir..<<..one will live..in a vegetative state
&..one will survive unharmed,>>STAtisticly..<<....apart from a few physical markings..on their face...(that's for the girls)>>[and..ALL THE BOYS TESTES..[Likely]..ROT AND FALL OFF]

<<..The choice is yours..Do YOU take..the magic potion?>>

yet again/let me say it..no*..NO..!..NO/WAY
YOUR ASKING..THE WRONG GUY..JAY

<<You could/be>>..[likeLY]..?..<<..the one to die.>.

SO WHAT/..ITS NO GREAT GIFT
LIVING AS..THSE SCUM..HERE..IN YOUR MATERIALIST/transcribed HELL

<<.. Of course if*..you don't take it,..you maybe the one to live.>>
YEP WITH MY LUCK..YOUR LIKELY*...2b..CORRECT

<<..Will YOU take..the gamble?..
Yes or No. No deflection, please.>>

n0 nO
nooooO../no/..nIET nein nyet..non..[NOT EVEN TEMPTED]
i dont gamble..you cant..even ensure/..*WHO DIES/LIVES
[CAUSE IF YOU CAN*.chose to save..'me'..you could further chose to not*..save me/too..

[you cant say.which 48]..so lets stop/the pre-hence

then you miss-qUOTE....Yuyutsu:<<..is it just.the fact of death
or is there..some other factor?>>DEATH IS THE LIE..[WHERE/THY..STING?]

DEATH IS THE LIE..WE ARE ETERNAL IMMORTAL SPIRITS[ENERGY]..HAVING A MORTAL LIFE 'EXPERIENCE'..WE ARE ETERNAL...ENERGIES..*CHANGING STATE..[energy cant be created.nor destroyed..by any..'majic'/portant/potion or..TRICKERY

YES I KNOW.WHAT JASY..IS GETTING AT
BUT THE faith..in a MAGIC BULLET..DIRECTLY..*CAUSED..[SIC*]..*/..the SUPER BUGS..\*

Oneundergod, it sounds like you have been having a terrible time with your health lately.
I'm sorry to hear that, especially the dentist problems...

Be thankful for all the drug companies that came up with the narcotics and anesthetic medications used for pain relief in dentistry, and at the same time be aware there are good and bad in every profession.

Not all pharmacists, doctors, dentists, nurses or drug companies are out to get you Oneundergod.
In fact, I would wager that the vast majority are there to do good.

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=DOSE+needed+to+treAT++NUMBER&i

THERE IS A SPECIAL NUMBER MEDICINE DONT LIKE TO talk about
the numbers needed tO BE TREATED/TO Obtain..one cure

[i recall with stroke medication..for example..180 need to take the billion dollar subsidized MEDICINE..FOR ONE CURE*

so 180 have adverse reaction..FOR ONE CURE
ITS INSANE..

GOVT IS throwing money away slow killing us
when all they need do is look at the numbers..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_needed_to_treat

The number needed to treat (NNT) is an epidemiological measure used in assessing the effectiveness of a health-care intervention, typically a treatment with medication. The NNT is the average number of patients who need to be treated to prevent one additional bad outcome (i.e. the number of patients that need to be treated for one to benefit compared with a control in a clinical trial). It is defined as the inverse of the absolute risk reduction.

It was described in 1988.[1] The ideal NNT is 1, where everyone improves with treatment and no one improves with control. The higher the NNT, the less effective is the treatment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_needed_to_harm
The number needed to harm (NNH) is an epidemiological measure that indicates how many patients need to be exposed to a risk-factor over a specific period to cause harm in one patient that would not otherwise have been harmed.[1] It is defined as the inverse of the attributable risk. Intuitively, the lower the number needed to harm, the worse the risk-factor.

GOVT POLICY IS RE DUMBING/US DOWN
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=dumbing+sown+education&i

cure ignorance..GET Educated
healthy mind-healthy body
http://www.cochrane.org/glossary

Live Flu Vaccines Increase Infectious Bacteria Counts 100-Fold in Mice

http://www.naturalblaze.com/2014/03/live-flu-vaccines-increase-infectious.html

If presumably safer "attenuated" flu vaccines are supposed to protect against influenza and its sometimes deadly complications, then why do vaccinated mice have up to 100-fold higher levels of flu-associated pathogenic bacteria than non-vaccinated mice?

A concerning new study published in mBio, an open access journal of the American Society of Microbiology, titled, "Live Attenuated Influenza Vaccine Enhances Colonization of Streptococcus pneumoniae and Staphylococcus aureus in Mice," reveals that live attenuated influenza vaccines (LAIVs) lead to the rapid and sustained overgrowth of pathogenic bacteria in the upper respiratory tract of mice at colonization densities up to 100-fold higher than non-vaccinated mice.

http://www.pakalertpress.com/2014/02/27/irs-posts-enforcement-notices-for-2014-obamacare-extortion-payments/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+pakalert+%28Pak+Alert+Press%29

http://undergrounddocumentaries.com/rule-from-the-shadows-the-psychology-of-power-part-1/
http://intellihub.com/yes-paid-government-trolls-social-media-blogs-forums-websites/
5 Reasons Monsanto’s ‘Science’ Doesn’t Add Up
http://www.essentialprepper.com/5-reasons-monsantos-science-doesnt-add/

To hear the pesticide and junk food marketers of the world tell it, anyone who questions the value, legitimacy or safety of GMO (genetically modified organisms) crops is naïve, anti-science and irrational to the point of hysteria.

But how long can Monsanto ignore the mounting actual scientific evidence that their technology is not only failing to live up to its promises, it’s putting public health at risk?

Doctors warn new FDA-approved painkiller is deadly dangerous
http://rt.com/usa/new-painkiller-deadly-dangerous-260/

Although the opiate Zohydro was ultimately approved by the US Food and Drug administration, that endorsement went against the recommendation given by the agency’s own advisory panel. The panel voted 11 – 2 against approving the drug, but the FDA argued its availability is necessary to help patients unfazed by current medication.

The new drug hasn’t become available yet, but a group of more than 40 doctors is hoping to preempt its release by urging the FDA to reconsider its decision. According to the letter penned by the doctors, Zohydro is five to 10 times stronger than its nearest equivalent, Vicodin, and has the potential to cause a severe rise in overdose deaths.

The doctors warned that the drug could potentially kill an individual after taking only two Zohydro capsules. A child, meanwhile, could suffer a fatal overdose from just one pill.

The possibilities for BION research are so immense as to render all of our medical technology obsolete. If the very building blocks of life can be isolated and controlled via vibration, electricity, magnetism etc.. then everything from regrowing limbs to healing wounds over night will be possible.

Reich was suppressed in one of the most violent and outward manners in all history. His books were burned, he was jailed and beaten to death in prison. Why? Was it just because of his investigations into aetheric beings in the skies? or was it his work into Bions that threatened the Rockefeller controlled AMA? Some believe that the AMA was created specifically to suppress Reich’s work. His work into orgone was bad enough but his rediscovery of Bions was simply unforgivable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj7k88vCMYk&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8dLMvzpdsYo

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15995&page=0

42% of Drug Reactions Are Vaccine Related, Groundbreaking Chinese Study Finds

http://www.naturalblaze.com/2014/03/42-of-drug-reactions-are-vaccine.html

A groundbreaking new drug safety study published in the open access journal PLoS and titled, "Adverse Drug Reactions of Spontaneous Reports in Shanghai Pediatric Population," has revealed for the first that that 42.5% of all reported adverse drug reactions occurring in 2009 in a Chinese pediatric population (Shanghai, pop of 17 mil) were caused by vaccines, with reactions as severe as anaphylaxis and death.

WHY THERE IS GMO-SUGAR IN YA SALT
AND WHY THEY TOOK OUt iodine and another key mineral that builds bones nerves
http://rinf.com/alt-news/latest-news/gmo-sugar-salt/
screening breasts with radiation increasing cancers
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2014/03/08/study-1-8-million-breast-screening-increases-lethal-breast-cancer-incidence/

gee who would have thunk it.?
agenda 21
http://www.stirringtroubleinternationally.com/2012/02/06/why-would-anyone-become-a-politician-if-not-to-get-rich-and-enjoy-the-perks-of-office/
http://whatreallyhappened.com/www.thedailysheeple.com
http://nodisinfo.com/mossad-blow-malaysian-airlines-jet/
http://xrepublic.tv/node/7838
http://xrepublic.tv/node/7832
http://investmentwatchblog.com/meet-the-billionaires-behind-government-agendas/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2576335/How-Germany-crucified-Hidden-100-years-astonishing-images-German-soldiers-haunted-spectre-defeat-paying-ultimate-price-captured-camera-one-brothers-arms.html
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2014/03/09/the-turbulent-history-of-international-womens-day/

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/breaking-conn-police-officers-refuse-to-confiscate-will-not-be-party-to-the-oppression-of-the-people_032014

Welcome to the medical Matrix: the flu isn’t the flu
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/welcome-to-the-medical-matrix-the-flu-isnt-the-flu_032014

There are many propaganda operations surrounding the flu. Here I just want to boil down a few boggling facts.

Dr. Peter Doshi, writing in the online BMJ (British Medical Journal), reveals one monstrosity.

As Doshi states, every year, hundreds of thousands of respiratory samples are taken from flu patients in the US and tested in labs. Here is the kicker: only a small percentage of these samples show the presence of a flu virus.
http://www.newsforage.com/2014/03/nearly-half-of-american-adults-believe.html
Nearly half of American adults believe the federal government, corporations or both are involved in at least one conspiracy to cover up health information, a new survey finds.

antibiotic drug sends cop into delusional episode of 'antibiomania,' prompting him to stab 'demon' firefighters

A Virginia Beach police officer who decided to go on a religious rampage with his taxpayer-issued firearm and badge, as well as a knife, is suing drug giant Abbott Laboratories over its antibiotic drug Biaxin, the generic version of which the cop claims caused him to shoot at and stab multiple firefighters whom he insanely believed at the time of his delusion to be demons trying to harm his friend.

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/antibiotic-drug-sends-cop-into-delusional-episode-of-antibiomania-prompting-him-to-stab-demon-firefighters_032014

Insurance Companies Will Receive $5.5 Billion in Bailouts in 2015
just-given-himself-the-authority-to-seize-your-assets_03192014

http://xrepublic.tv/node/8022
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/index.html

MOST ANNOYINGLY..THE BEST Stuff got 'self deleted'
but heck do ya own SLUTHING..your own..truthing.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/

The Starfield lightning bolt: medical killers
http://www.activistpost.com/2014/03/the-starfield-lightning-bolt-medical.html

From time to time, I reprint my interview with Dr. Barbara Starfield. Each time I try to write a new introduction..[BUT PLEASE NOTE the numbers are old numbers..when prozac alone killed 10,000..BUT DRUGS LIKE STILLNOX HAd never been heard of]

On July 26, 2000, the Journal of the American Medical Association published Starfield’s review, “Is US health really the best in the world?”

In it, Starfield, who was a respected public health expert working at the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health, stated that:

-The US medical system kills 225,000 Americans a year.
-106,000 deaths per year from FDA-approved medical drugs.
-119,000 deaths per year from error-ridden treatment in hospitals.

I’m aware that independent research puts those death figures much higher, but I focus on Dr. Starfield’s work because no mainstream reporter or government official could challenge her credentials or the credentials of the journal that published her findings...

one in 100 hospitalizations..=is=ADVERSE/REACTION TO PERScribed drugs
one in ten=results=..in death

ITS CLEAR govt does whats convenient
[to its owns agendas]..not whats right
http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-us-government-is-reporting-that-there-is-no-inflation-of-course-they-do-not-include-food-and-energy/
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/site-cleared-homes-eminent-domain-remains-empty-eight-years-later
http://wallstreetonparade.com/wealth-transfer-devices/
http://www.triplepundit.com/2014/03/link-fracking-earthquakes-grows-surge-quakes-ohio/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2584309/Bill-Clinton-identified-lawsuit-against-former-friend-pedophile-Jeffrey-Epstein-regular-orgies-Caribbean-compound-former-president-visited-multiple-times.html
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/03/18/judge-slams-atf-stash-house-stings/6565179/
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/03/19/aaas-says-that-zero-is-an-unprecedented-large-number/
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/03/bank-england-admits-loans-come-first-deposits-follow.html
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=605_1395273034
http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-federal-reserve-does-not-own-gold-only-gold-certificates-valued-at-42-22/ CAUSE THATS HOW MUCH THEY WERE LEASED TO THEIR BANKER Mates for..WHO THEN ONSOLD..THE REAL GOLD

if you think they care/YOUR DECEIVED.
TRY YOU SELLING YOUR RENTED CAR or a rental-home
but hey if your a mate needing to sell a WASTE PRODUCT FROM ALUMINIUM REFINING TO PUT INTO OUR DRINKING WATER ALONG WITH 200 OTHER CHEMICALS..THATS FINE..

we just cOST IT INTO HEALTH.
THINK HOW MUCH ILL-HEALTH COMES FROM Polluting industry/
govt isnt into health/but by redirecting our sickness into your money

10 Health conspiricies thast turned out to be true
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/10-health-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-real_032014

Aspartame Being Re-Branded as AminoSweet: The Next Chapter in Aspartame’s Dangerous History
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/aspartame-being-re-branded-as-aminosweet-the-next-chapter-in-aspartames-dangerous-history_032014

Aspartame’s presence in the world’s food supply has been the subject of great protest and controversy since the mid-1980?s when then CEO if Searle, Donald Rumsfeld, pushed for it’s approval to be sold on the market. As you may or may not remember, Mr. Rumsfeld went on to become George W. Bush’s Secretary of Defense. But aside from Aspartame’s availability on the market proving, once again, the ease in which someone could take advantage of the Crony-Capitalist door that links Government and corporations, Aspartame has been consistently proven to harm whoever, or whatever, consumes it.

Aspartame is an artificial, non-saccharide sweetener used as a sugar substitute in many foods and beverages. In the European Union, it is codified as E951, and is most popularly sold under the NutraSweet and Equal brand names

obama and cancer clinic acces
http://xrepublic.tv/node/8100

YE/gmo..going to kil ya
http://www.prisonplanet.com/gmos-could-cause-irreversible-termination-of-life-on-earth-risk-expert-warns.html

why do govts lie?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2587554/Did-somebody-doctor-photo-men-took-Flight-MH370-Fears-cover-amid-claims-pictures-passengers-set-legs.html
http://www.bobtuskin.com/2014/03/24/vive-la-france-country-bans-monsanto-gmo-corn-before-sewing-season/

top science scammer for 43 years
http://www.prisonplanet.com/obamas-science-advisor-has-been-catastrophizing-for-43-years.html

his fruits
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/03/23/sunstein/
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/03/fascism.html

CANNABIS/CANCER
http://therebel.org/federal-jack/754643-down-the-rabbit-hole-w-popeye-03-20-2014-meet-landon-riddle-a-boy-who-is-beating-cancer-because-of-cannabis

drug waRS
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/allwarsarebankerwars.php

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/thequestion.jpg
http://rinf.com/alt-news/latest-news/spy-agencies-politicians-hold-cards-washington/
http://investmentwatchblog.com/whats-the-primary-cause-of-wealth-inequality-financialization/