50 yrs later and we have learnt nothing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boOAfFOK7Ns
JFK," The very word secrecy is repugnant in a free and open society, we are as a people inherently opposed to secret societies....we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence, by infiltration instead of invasion, intimidation instead of free choice, of guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has vast human resources into building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine, that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, scientific and political operations.

If JFK knew this truth back in 1963,how much further down the path of tyranny have we progressed?

In this clip you will see current and past prominent US Politicians refusing to detail their involvement in such secret societies.

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=ben+gurion+on+jfk
what about the not so secret..societies
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=ben+gurion+on+lbj&oq=ben+gurion+on+lbj

http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2013/11/21/aipac-says-either-obama-backs-down-on-iran-or-its-war/

http://www.truedemocracy.net/td14/16.html
you know the warmongers..stopping..peace

who only seek/to see god in..a mushroom/cloud
http://mycatbirdseat.com/2013/11/make-break-time-iran-p51/

http://www.republicbroadcasting.org/shoutcast/shoutcast.html

http://americanfreepress.net/?p=13765
the first publication ever to report on the findings of Maurice Phillipps—an otherwise unheralded researcher —who uncovered the never-before-revealed Rothschild banking dynasty connection to a key player linked to the JFK conspiracy.

The Lobby vs. Obama
http://bit.ly/1el31S6
Only Israel gets what it wants, no strings attached. All this is obvious. The problem is that virtually no media figures or politicians have the nerve to say it.

Politicians depend on the lobby for campaign cash while media figures are rightly afraid that talking about the lobby will lead to advertiser and front office complaints and ultimately to the loss of their jobs.

The Heart Of The Criminal Activity
Is In The Military Industrial Complex - Gerald Celente

http://xrepublic.tv/node/6310

http://investmentwatchblog.com/china-announces-that-it-is-going-to-stop-stockpiling-u-s-dollars/

http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2013/11/19/230229-living-in-a-surveillance-state-mikko-hypponen-at-tedxbrussels/

http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/911-deep-state-violence-and-the-hope-of-internet-politics/

http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/corporate-espionage-and-the-secret-war-against-citizen-activism/

http://www.redressonline.com/2013/11/the-tail-wags-the-dog-israel-publicly-upbraids-the-us-on-iran/

Arjay you have opened a can of worms here.
Some one is sure to be offended right down from the secrete group that has given America quite a few of its Presidents to the Masons.
I can tell just a bit about the Masons, not much but in the Southern Highlands of NSW centered on Bowral/Moss Vale/Mittagong you just had to be second grade if not a member.
Later the Sydney Masonic center became in part a conference center.
Seeing the photos of past members did not change my childhood view if it has to be kept secret it is hiding something.

UOG this is very revealing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iemedJ6RVnkt#: You many have known that 2 nukes went missing from Dreyess Airforce base. Karen Hudes in this video reveals that 2 top Generals were dismissed because they stopped a false flag nuke attack on South Carolina on 8/10/13.

Also Obama's wife has been compromised in a "honey trap" and they have dirt on Obama also. Obama's mother used to work for the CIA entrapping people.

So what we have is forces within the US Military and Pentagon ( White Hats) who are opposing this move to bring war and tyranny to the planet. Apparently the Air Force has bee taken over by radical groups that want a nuke war.

I think the final chapter is being played out. There will be no more quantitative easing and "Bail In" is now in train to steal from our bank accounts as in Cyprus.

Belly,

You are a scream. You missed your vocation.

for/me..its a make or break/time for kerry

with..one single master stroke
he...can put..hillary..into...the shade
and become el presidente..

[of course he will..have the traditional / vp]..
but then we know who runs usa..anyway..it choses

belly..there are many secret societies
but..its the ones that collude treason..to their people..or their state
they are the real danger

what i dont like about the masons..is the secret handshake
[any half witted mossad agent..can..play on that one

then..there is the 33rd degree[only open to zionists]
but we had the same re rotary/apex/the local-business society..rsl/numerous clubs etc..even protesters/greenies

at the head..of all these other/sub-beasts..
is the many-headed hydra..[zionists/bankers/israel]

its embedded..in..ever aspect..of human affairs
but most obvious in..war/security/banking/medicine/law/politicking..and science..

they feel they dont..need us
as much as we need them..[and of course their right[..as usual]

i..simply couldn't serve..the ignorant/fools..who vote
and work..with..the zionist controlled public sevice.

Belly Karen Hudes reckons the Masons and Illuminati are small players. She says the Jesuits and the Vatican are the ones who pull the really big strings. I don't however see enough evidence that backs her claims. True the Jesuits own banks ,but why would the Rothschilds allow them so much power? Unless the Rothschilds are Jesuits themselves.

JFK came from a very right wing Catholic Family but he was for the people and honesty. That's why he had to go.

Arjay,

I have had enough exposure to people close to me to know Freemasons for what they truly are and that is not sexy or exciting at all.

They are just a monthly gathering of like-minded, rather staid, moral and industrious men who take their roles as husbands, fathers, employees and citizens seriously. They needed some way of getting together to share some like company, and there were few options available outside of the pub.

As I said somewhere else, the CWA and local croquet club would have more 'secrets' and traditions, and are probably more rowdy too. Honestly, if you met some of my relatives and their friends you would realise that while they are good husbands, dads and citizens they are hardly likely to ever put a foot out of place.

How can they be 'secret' when there is no discrimination (fraternal though)? Scouts, Girl Guides, Rotary, CWA, Freemasons etc, etc., all arose to enable ordinary folk to get together for wholesome purposes. Better than snorting drugs, betting and boozing life and $$ away.

It is human nature arjay, OTB wanted to take to me, for my truly held thought about Masons, but aimed it at you.
Arjay you are aware, others too, of the sheer stupidity of Americas and the world banking.
We will be named fools but few will ask who owns the banks.
How can they lend ten times the amount they hold in their vaults.
And why are many so called state controlled banks privately owned.
Why have American past GREAT Presidents called to unmask those owners been ignored and even why such Presidents have been assassinated?
Too hard for some, researching this, but easy to say it is not true and just wait until the bubble bursts then we will all know bust it must taking our way of life with it.

Belly good to see you are finally becoming aware about our insane banking system.

JFK wanted to end the monopoly of the private US Federal Reserve and did not want the Vietnam war. He also wanted to end the cold war with the USSR. But for the banking military industrial complex, there were no profits in peace nor letting the people own their currency which meant freedom from debt slavery.

We in Aust have sold off 4 state Govt banks + the Commonwealth. This is why we have so much tax,since our productivity + inflation now gets expressed as debt by private banksters.

The debt will only get worse unless we get back to Govt banks or private banks that are mutual societies.ie no foreign/domestic shareholders.

Arjay it may interest you to know I have been aware of this for 40 years.
In fact my dislike of some mad conspiracy theory,s comes from this understanding.
Hidden in plain sight, midst a thousand mad hatters theory,s this truth can not be seen.
Our banking is as bent as Wall Street, we are not in control of anything in the end.
*I truly think at some future time we will see banks falling used as an excuse to control us*
I do truly think, SOME CONSPIRACY'S are put up by big money to further take our eyes away from the real, conspiracy.
Arjay we have killed the thread, far too many would rather spend 20 minutes haveing that Cup of coffee and thinking of next weekend, than ask why multi trillion-airs own the banking system.
Dare I set home work? looking at the History of the US Federal Reserve, seeing who owns it/profit from it and how much is printed in America each day.
That is a trip in to future Hell for world finances
The out come of that reminds me of this quote .
*When Dictatorship comes they will call it freedom*.

Belly if you have known about the importance of Govt owned banks for 40 yrs,why did your unions allow the sale of all our State Govt Banks and the Commonwealth? These sales totally enslaved us economically.

Arjay it is comments like that that separates us.
Do you understand Unions if they wished just do not have that power.
And mate come on! do you think I controlled Union thoughts and actions.
I stood my ground on many issues, including blockading NSW Labor Government trying to stop cuts to compo , we lost, radical unions had members they put in place walk past the blockade to vote against us.
We you Me any one putting a thought so few want to listen to/believe need to not undermine our own message with things like your post.
One man can not beheld to account for not being able to control every one.
You by your words prove that truth can be buried in a jungle of confusion and thought leading away from the truth.

Belly the Unions back then were the backbone of Labor and Labor was responsible for the total sell off of the Commonwealth Bank. They had a big say and should have made a public stand.

Sorry Arjay you are making claims, actually ones I see no wrong done, that I or any single unionist help a power we never had.
Freeing up our banks worked in favor of this country.
And our banks are far from the privately owned ones America has.
We can throw words back and fourth but in the long run *IS AMERICAN BANKS* had been run like ours I doubt the GFC would have been so harsh.
Can you give this a few minutes thought? we started out agreeing about the *coming world financial crisis*
Even on its unavoidable impacts on us all but.
As America faces its debt and understands the Fed Reserve is not theirs but a rich mans toy.
And ended up covering the issue in our private barely related home made spiders web of issues.

13 questions..about problems
wounded constitutionalism..

much/depend on financial/feasibility
ie money..[the tool..of enslavement]

money..is a construct..by decree[fiat/means decree]
who decrees..it..as a unit..of exchange..[for govt debt..ie govt]

its money..ONLY by govt decree..but inthe constitution
the ONLY LAW-FULL/TENDER..is COIN*[silver or gold COIN]

paper money..isnt LAWFULL/tender..[they are federal reseve
issued PROMISE notes..for small change exchange[ie coin]..or goods

so keep all you ready money..ONLY in..coin
thelie is that paper..is money..it only remains money.
.while you will give..value for it..but its purely..for business
[so govt can make money..by lending govt its fiat paper[unconstituted money..as if value]..

http://www.republicbroadcasting.org/shoutcast/shoutcast.html

OUG I disagree, you will know as you watch the Fed Reserve that England once saw a King authorize the use of sticks with cuts in them *as legal tender*, true look it up.
Now Australia can not be compared with America as our banking system is quit different.
I can not believe arjay put a spoke in his own threads wheel.
He did so by blaming me, a proud unionist till death, and my movement for selling the commonwealth bank.
Now in truth both sides of the house look back on the combined freeing up/changes to our banks as a good thing.
And until some one can give evidence it greatly harmed us I stick to my thoughts.
IF ONLY! Unions had the power some think!
Right now under Abbott or Shorten they have little.
However having been taken to the wood shed by[ surely a Mason!] for naming them untrusted worthy I think if it has to be secret it is to be ignored by honest men, any secret group has my disdain.
We are not a Socialist country, yet we subsidize much.
Keeping the bank not collecting it sale prise would have stalled needed things

yes..belly..ONE/third..of the bannk/of england
WAS paid/for..with a short stick

but who owns..the long stick[who..holds the short]
the LENGTH..of the stick..was key..the SHORT stick..OWED THE DEBT

but when the bank/..was MONETIZED..by the short stick
GUY/faulks..the lawyer..tried to hide the SHORT-fall[by trying to BLOW up parliament..[where the sticks were stored]

it was to hide the lie
get rid of the longer stick[so..the bank..got bought by debt*
now we got* debt notes..but back to the tallysticks..they were eventually simply burnt

[the longest ones first[,,so the..proof
of that crime..too,,was destroyed

but not the..,fed/mint/treasury\
SURE>>THEY STOLE THE TREASURE.
then they stole the gold
then the silver and/even the copper..from our ONLY LAWFUL tender*

COINS..but there is an..EVEN..higher treason
COIN..*DEBASEMENT*..[thats treason][gold color coins are FRAUD*]

its by stealing the value..out of coin
that usury..took..the value away..they deflated the debt
by DEBASING the metal..in..the coin..[a shilling holds 2 dollars silver]..so 10 cents..SHOULD EQUAL 4 bucks

recall..a pot..scooner[of beer]..
[in...SILVER its still 3 pence..of silver value

just 3 pennies..mate
thats where the money went

but the gold is gone[all govt MUST now do..is REVALUE..the face..of the coins[by 200..percent]

but heck/lets..be honest...a bob*..is rightfully worth 3 dollars
so just add two zero's to..the ten cents=ten bucks[our small change ALONE will get us spending

govt only pays..in..coin.JUST coin
and a politicians wage rate is set..in constitutional stone
one golden/pound..[so too must public SERVANTS be paid,..INCOIN

the govt cant owe bankers NUTHIN
its not what WAS done..but what we going to..do to fix it.

UOG unfortunately Belly has not a clue about the function of money and who it should serve.

We have made money our master when it should be our servant.

belly has come along way
he never had the opportunities..to look at the darkside
we sadly..have glimpsed..behind the curtain..and seen..evil..can
be totally ruthless.,.

i often..wish..it wasnt so obvious..
but..belly..is no fool..and we are on the right track
we are agreed..belly/you and me..that...there..is a problem

but what is the solution
between/us we can figure things out..
till others see that we wont bite them..[friendly fire]..

the real enemy..are the ones doing the treason/but most of
the people we would meet..are only deceived...[not the real criminals]...its hard to conceive..evil that bad.

we are few..we dont want to..become fewer
so solutions.[mine is revalue the face values of coin

first maxing out the debt..in fiat.dollars/but minted out in cents
then..re monetized...the coins back..to true...TRADITIONAL/face[by a factor..of 100times]..

AS.if..still...by/its..'its weight..in gold/silver"

there is much we all dont know..about many problems
but lets skip..retrospective/problem..and go prospective/solution

OUG morning,just a thought but if we look we will see a mass of what can only be called conspiracy's in our past.
ww1 a war coming from a dispute between the Children and grand children of Queen Victoria.
Fought by what was in the end cannon fodder, to what end.
But can we truly see the broken world around us? the Muslim killing Muslim internal wars?
Such death is like any such deaths below mans humanity, yet the UN has little power to stop it.
Or has it a reason not to stop it?

belly..we know..that often..the official excuse
isnt really an excuse..for the unspeakable..result..from..it

like slaves..wasnt what the yanki/civil war was about
[it was about..money/..and british/taxation/without representation..freeing the slaves..was mainly..to..make the rich..poor]

you will recall...the so called..'holy..dollar'
and the dump..that was taxation/too..the coin shortage..was because briton..took too much of/it..home..anyhow..its allways about money..

<<..Such death..is like any..such deaths..belie mans humanity,
yet the UN..has little power..to stop it...Or has it a reason not to stop it?>>

both..[i feel]..the un..is just a public servants/quango
like the european-union..its not govts..only the public service feelgood/serving the old boys networks[think of it like the mason/or rotery/or rsl/or unions..there..just..to make/it all..look like its under control..[to make it look fair]..

but life isnt fair..the only rights we got..are the ones we fight to keep[as for the un..thats to re-assure..the sheep

its depressing really..but people so..love to..hear..it said
we are here..just for you..[we know its not true][they are there for themselves]..

Lawsuit in U.S. District Court accuses the Fed of “embezzling” $7 Trillion from the United States
As requested, here is the Scribd link to the legal cite:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/153024003/Amended-Complaint-Federal-Reserve-whistleblower

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=d0HO5YyIve0

http://lucas2012infos.wordpress.com/2013/11/26/investmentwatchblog-fed-hides-trillions-lawsuit-in-u-s-district-court-accuses-the-fed-of-embezzling-7-trillion-from-the-united-states-26-november-2013/

www.investmentwatchblog.com / link to original article

http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/what-happens-when-you-fact-check-fox-news/

http://www.naturalblaze.com/2013/11/bill-gates-polio-vaccine-program.html

http://intellihub.com/2013/11/26/study-proves-vaccines-not-vaccine-refusers-are-behind-whooping-cough-outbreaks/

http://www.globalresearch.ca/israels-war-on-palestinian-children/5359352
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2513420/Pictured-death-bed-Beloved-son-fell-coma-week-getting-flu-shot-dead.html

http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/06/red-cross-expose-jewish-holocaust-hoax/
http://m.smh.com.au/national/tony-abbott-quietly-shifts-un-position-to-support-israeli-settlements-upsetting-palestinians-20131124-2y434.html