These threads are being hijacked by some religious proponent who believes everybody should listen to his rantings. I believe he should be barred from the board until he tones down his rhetoric and gets his written English together.

I never read or respond to his rantings which is my choice.

Well, it's absolutely gobsmacking that we have a thread to veto a long-standing member of this forum.

I'm surmising it inadvertently got through "somehow".

Since when do we do this around here?

Remind yourself, chrisgaff1000, that this is not our forum but Graham Young's... so by all means share concerns directly with him.

You might include constructive suggestions for the site such as counting links, line feeds and carriage returns in the 350 word limits? Or a link limit of 2 to 3 per post.

But a veto thread? No.

Besides, there are many others I would prefer to see on an eff-off list first...

I've just pressed the red cross and had a word with Graham.

As I said, I'm surmising this thread was posted inadvertently.

If a poster is not posting appropriately then Graham has recourse to ban the poster.

As WmTrevor points out, we don't need a veto thread to target individual members of this forum.

OUG has always posted as he does. If we don't feel like reading them, we scroll past. If we do, then we stop and take the time.

If we have a complaint or a comment about another poster we can ask Graham to forward a message to that poster. That poster may or may not respond. Comments about another poster need not be on a thread.

If one does not like the style or the views of another poster stop reading that individual's posts. Others may find something of interest in those posts.

chrisgaff1000 - A bad thread on your part, luckily in Australia people have a right to an opinion OUG is expressing his.

Simply put if you do not like the comments of a particular person do not read them, it is YOUR choice.

It is easy to scroll down a page to bypass someone's comments.

Please feel free to join a Forum that only includes people who share your views, chrisgaff1000. It is your absolute right to do so.

sounds to me like the intolerance of secularism rearing its ugly head again. One of the unspoken mantras of secularism is to shut down the debate of those who disagree with you. We see it with the murdering of the unborn, trying to pervert the marriage covenant and other issues. Such tolerance (the irony being the very thing secularist accuse others of).

Dear runner,

Apparently facts don't bother you as long as you have your prejudices and hate. The fact is that all the responses of secularists to the original post support oug's continuing posting.

Hi, I've been contacted by one commenter who thought this topic got through by accident. It didn't. I looked at it. I thought about not approving it, but then I thought it was a conversation worth having in the open.

From time to time we do get complaints about posters on the forum, and I certainly get them off the forum. I thought it worth our while to have a discussion about what it is that we are doing here.

The forum was set-up for discussion that wasn't as polished as what you might expect from articles published in On Line Opinion. We've always taken a pretty broad view of what is valid.

Some of the people who post on this forum have very peculiar ideas and ways of expressing them, from where I stand. But they all get a vote, and as fellow humans, they all deserve respect. One of the things we are trying to do is to have as inclusive a conversation as possible.

I'm reassured by most of the responses to this thread that most of you understand our ethic, and accept it as being reasonable. I hope OUG is not feeling hurt.

I attempted to start another thread on the issue of targeting individual posters for "veto" on this forum.

It has been rejected.

Here's what I wrote:

"Wondering what other OLO posters think of chrisgaff1000's thread to target OUG for "barring" and "veto"?

I'm of the opinion that devoting a thread to targeting an individual poster is against the spirit of free speech, and is perhaps a form of bullying....."express yourself like the rest of us or you will be denigrated".

Chris states in his opening post:

"These threads are being hijacked by some religious proponent who believes everybody should listen to his rantings."

Why doesn't he choose to scroll past OUG's posts if he finds them unacceptable?

We all post here hoping someone will find some value in our "rantings". None of us, I should imagine, believes "everybody should listen to his/her rantings".

If someone is posting outside the guidelines, there is a mechanism to ban them.

Notwithstanding that OUG has received much support from fellow OLOers on Chris's thread, do we really accept that a thread is required to target someone who is still allowed to post here?"

i only just noticed the thread..how can i be upset...
dont the saying go..as long as they..got your name right..etc[its all good]

we on occasion cause upset..[sorry the ruddism]..
i..occasionally cause upset..but also receive upsets..as its karma

a friend dares to tell us
things that upset..much of the upset..that upsets us
[in other]..are upset's..is because its doubled in ourselves

that we love in others we love within ourselves
that..we hate in others we hate in*..our selves

but here again..
im trying to un-rationalize the rationale

..yet far from unreasonable

its fair enough..
im flattered chis even thunk it worth..discussion

thank god for this open format..
it would be..great..if we all could reply our accusers..openly

[but keep it..on the thread..*where you feel..the offense occurs]
make anycomplaints..part of the article/topic

ps i would love to be able to
give points/credit/recognition
to posts i like..

[like a thumbs up..
that says ditto from [oug]

anyhow cheers all
seal the topic..or leave it open..to openly complain

free speech..means we are free to speak
you only..miss it once its gone
long may we hear/here

on..second thought..dont seal
cause chriss deserves right of reply too

only true friends point out our errors
my biggest error..is i dont talk to anyone..

out side of two kids..who delight in asking grandad why/why why

i dont know why
but give it my best shot

trusting that at least..a reply..
may lead them to a place..where they know..and can then explain it to me.

[preferably in writing
cause on top of everything..im a bad listener
because as your talking..im seeing the words..vision of it..in my mind]

My veto on several who comment on the OLO sites is simply to pass over their comment to the next item. I have seldom been able to deduce anything of value from those on my bypass list.

Sometimes I suggest that the author of a comment needs to read some article(s) on the subject.

I simply scroll past comments I don't or can't interpret. Likewise to subjects that do not interest me.

From memory, I did have a proposed thread rejected and have only had occasion to complain once. I am happy with the actions of the moderators.

Generally speaking, the manners of posters is better than on many other forums. As merely a poster I could not support any move by other posters to ban someone, that action is up to the moderators.

Chris, if you don't like something just ignore it.

OUG,

What a trooper you are!

Anyhooo...just taken receipt of a Folio edition of Blaise Pascal's "Pensees", so will bury my head in that for a while.

I think I've said enough here for now.....

bless you..pure-OHH
we live in amazing times
with even more amusing people
we truthfully are..a funny species

able to envision..yet other things..qually as important..
and equally impotent...to change a single thing..but our own minds

ahhhmen

again
bless your kind words
[and that goes for all concerned
but..if it is to help anything..the truth..pleases..never displeases

Dear Chris,

We all do things sometimes without properly thinking them
through - especially when the right buttons are pushed -
I know I do. I tend to jump the gun at times - and then
live to regret it. Often times too, on the forum, I've
stated things that I've not expressed the way that I had
intended. I don't mean to waffle on - but
I'm sure that you're a nice guy - who's simply reacted
because OUG may have rubbed you the wrong way.

However let me tell you that OUG has been a poster on this
forum for ages, and he has a very unique style of posting.
He has a heart as big as all outdoors - and you should
give him a chance.

If you can't. Well then simply scroll past his posts.
But your suggestion of us vetoing OUG - I think you'll find
very few (if any) posters who would support such a move.
We may not always agree with each other - but we certainly
would not approve of what you're suggesting.
Deep down, I don't think you're really for it either.
Veto OUG - No - he doesn't deserve it!

That's very charitable of you, one under god.

>>i only just noticed the thread..how can i be upset...
dont the saying go..as long as they..got your name right..etc[its all good]<<

Especially considering that chrisgaff1000 did actually get your name wrong...

"Veto Under One God"

Ignorance so often goes hand-in-hand with intolerance, eh.

I don't know about the rest of you, but every now and then I find a real 'pearl' amongst OUG's contributions. So, I usually tend to 'skim', seeking out those ethereal threads of 'vision' coming from that inner heart-felt sanctum which is the essence of OUG.
Few are as honest or as free-rein in giving immediate voice to their thoughts and ideas, free from so many of the constraints most of us suffer, as we struggle within the bubble of our limited conscious awareness of what is, and of what may be.

And, OUG is never belligerent or derisive, which is a lesson many others would do well to take to heart.

Poirot,

>We all post here hoping someone will find some value in our "rantings".<

I feel this statement verges on huge generosity to some posters, on more than a few occasions. There unfortunately remain some who only appear to believe in rattling their own drum, or in stirring the pot, in hopes of getting a 'rise' out of anyone foolish enough to take them seriously.
Still, each to his own.

In closing, I am very pleased to see that OUG lets this attempted and unwarranted aspersion slide as easily off the shoulder as a butterfly taking a sip of nectar before effortlessly drifting to the next beckoning blossom.

Onward and upward.

Mind you, OUG, I sometimes get the impression there are two of you, with quite distinctive styles.

Pericles..<<..ignorance so often goes hand-in-hand with intolerance, eh.>>..

ignorance..in this case was bliss
but even now..its pointed out..
my eyes tear up,,with laughing at how i..could have missed it..
[cause im a little dialectic dyslectic..and the words were all there]


Saltpeter..[sorry spellcheck..corrected..lol

Saltpeter..<<..slide as easily off the shoulder as a butterfly taking a sip of nectar before effortlessly drifting to the next beckoning blossom.>>>

i love that
it was [is]..necter,,to hear the kind words
i wish everyone..ever complained about..felt it

god bless olo

<<>.Mind you, OUG, I sometimes get the impression..there are two of you, with quite distinctive styles.>>>

me is the freestyle[nc apitals]
the rest is partial quotes..with links..commas full stops capitalised no puns/names

[i got no clue how they are supposed to use
..they are often rewritten..in parts..[or otherwise corrected..to balance the impression..the words make in my mind]..

heavily edited you might say..
often mid sentence..following the
*key word..staggering its re-action..into word

how ever the word was supposed to read triggering

i copied bellies style
i think belly wanted to start..this thread..at many times
but now knows i love his spunk..like singer/sells..said much the same their last post's

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15394&page=0

being ignored is painful..
you dont know where it went wrong
its not pain as much as self disappointment..that i couldnt say it better

or to..the right person..in..the right way
at the right time/right place/right words..adjective or noun
if its a big or strong SPELL/word..that hype-notarizes..i dispel the spell.

i was once put on a pension
docter said i talked for a solid hour
[which wasnt true..we just..never got to his second question

We may disagree with what UOG says sometimes, in fact we may disagree with what any person says. This time we disagree, next time we agree. There are some people we agree with more times than others & some we don't. Such is the nature of a debate. Sometimes we may even get a bit hot under the collar over a subject. So what we are all entitled to our own opinion & views. I'm glad we live in Australia & not in the M.E.

As regards not reading someone's post, just because you don't like the persons views. I really don't see the point. Even someone with whom we violently disagree may have a salient point. Besides, It's rude. There are many here amoungt you I disagree with but I still read your posts, regardless, & look up your Links, either to agree or disagree with. How else can you have a debate?

Should we veto Poirot because she loves Muslims or me because I don't or runner or Belly for their Political Party affiliations. I don't think so. The idea is silly & repulsive.

I personally find it sad that someone should be proposing a veto system. Unless someone's comments are beyond the usually accepted bounds (advocating violence against an individual or group, for instance), they should be free, subject to Graham's discretion, which I trust, to express their views, even when I dislike them intensely. That is what this kind of open forum is for.

It harms none of us to be exposed to opinions at variance from our own; on the contrary, we can learn about people from this.

Tonyo

'Should we veto Poirot because she loves Muslims or me because I don't or runner or Belly for their Political Party affiliations'

don't have and never have had any Jayb. would be desperately disappointed if I did. Just happens no one could be as bad as what we have had in the last 6 years.

I too am a huge believer that if you are offended by something, porn, fowl language,
Gays etc, rather than try to change other people's world, you can simply choose to ignore it.

As for OUG, I don't get offended by his/her posts, in fact, I get a chuckle out of them sometimes, as I have to wonder if he/she is not two people using the same log on.

I say this because one minute a very normal post appears, then bingo, all of a sudden you need an interpreter for the next.

As far as I'm concerned OUG is a valued poster, both because the posts either amuse me, or allow me to go elsewhere, especially with those multiple links.

So this is probably unfolding as Graham suspected it would.

OUG is probably reaping the sort of support here that a poster can usually only dream of.

It turns into something quite uplifting to see so much measured and positive opinion of a fellow poster.

Still, I'm wondering how I would have felt if, instead of OUG, I'd clicked on OLO this morning and seen a whole thread dedicated to "Veto Poirot".

poirot..if it were you
thread would run double the pages
you are our joy..your standing on high..just look at the qualities.of the quotes..i got from your book..[there's even pdf..one in french..wow

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=blaise+pascal+pensees+pdf

anyhow some quotes..[from 129..from page one of 5]
http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/3102980-pens-es

<<..“All of humanity's problems..stem from
man's inability..to sit quietly in a room alone.”>>

funny..thats how mine began

<<“There is a God shaped vacuum..>>[i would say hunger]....
<<in the heart of>>..every living being..which cannot be filled by any of the created thing's,.>>.

<<..but only by Go0d..works..unto other
as the way[ta0]..to the atonement[at one meant]..
with the Creator,..as was made known through..*THE WORKS..of Jesus.”

..<<..It is not certain..that
everything is uncertain.)”>>most certainly

<<..“Curiosity..is only vanity.>>
[interesting..one needs ask why?..

because..<<We usually..only want to..
know something..so that we..can talk about it.”>>

see thats why i prefer..talking about stuff
i got no idea about

<<..“Little things comfort us..because
its mainly..the little things..distress us.”>>

OK..THATS MY FAVORITE ..so far

<<..“We are generally..the better persuaded
by the reasons..we discover ourselves*..than by those given to us by others.”>>

<<..There are two..equally dangerous extremes:
to exclude reason,..or..to admit nothing but..reason.”>>

[..<<..“Men are so necessarily mad,
that not to be mad..would amount to..JUST..another form of madness.”>>

<<..“And if one loves me..for my judgement,..can i lose these qualities..without losing myself>>

.<<..Where,then,..is this Ego,
if it be..neither in the body..nor in the soul?>>

ego..[in this case],..lies in the spirit
but normally..is in..our soul

<<..And how love..the body..or the soul,>>
the latter/body love..can degrade as much as the body
but your soul/form..belongs to thee..[our spirit..belongs to god]

<<..it is impossible..and would be unjust
to love the soul.of a person..in the abstract..
and whatever qualities..might be hidden there-in...unconditionaly..

yet jesus did it
[and he said..see that ye see me do..YOU* SHALL DO GREATER*]

<<We never,then,..love a person,..but only qualities.>>
sounds true..maybe we..love Equal'ities

<<..Let us,then,..jeer no more..at those
who are..on account of rank and office;..alone routinely accorded societal honors..for we love a person..only on account of borrowed qualities"..we award the deed that meets need>>.

or something like that

Dear chrisgaff1001 (sorry couldn't resist),

OUG has been a fixture of this place for eternity, he is possibly an acquired taste but one many of us old timers have evolved with. When he is on song there are definitely pearls to be found and his message is usually delivered with more grace than I have been able to muster of late.

Dear OUG,

You wrote;

“being ignored is painful”.

Well I have never had a thread dedicated to me. Kudos.

Ah, dear Poirot, surely you jest:

>Still, I'm wondering how I would have felt if, instead of OUG, I'd clicked on OLO this morning and seen a whole thread dedicated to "Veto Poirot".<

Pray, who would be so bold as to challenge OLO's appreciation of the cutting wit and surgical analysis of the ultra-perceptive moustachioed Belgian-in-disguise? Surely only a churlish cuckold (or one who has been soundly cuffed about the ears, metaphorically of course).

But then ... on the question of paid parental leave ....? Labor? The LNP? Asylum seekers?

Hmmm, how dull this life would be without the cut and thrust of diverse discourse, ranging widely and wildly o'er the very universe and unplumbed depths of 'reason' - or over the length of a piece of string?
(The answer of course is a banana of 'this colour'.)(Or,42?)

Hi all,
Never in my life have I been so humbled. Here before me I have the whole gambit of philosophical evolution and failed to recognize it.
I failed to reason and without reasonability man is nothing but should I deny my right to question? I think not.
My problem probably lies rooted in militarism and law enforcement barbarity lightly flavored with a sprinkling of liberalism and heavily garnished with Northern Ireland reactivity.
I now see the folly of my ways although I doubt my ability to bend to much in the wind, I shall try.
Whomever or whatever your God may he bless you all as you try to accept my humble apology.
I have to say the moderator was very smart to allow this one to go through to the keeper though.

SALTY..[the formula..to determine..
the length..of a piece of string.is twice its halved measure..
[or 3 times..one third its length][4 times its quartered length]

chrisgaff1000<<..,Hi all,
Never in my life..have I been so humbled.>>
if bny humbled..youmean..youdid the nicvest thing..for someone else

i can..only thankyou..[the issue has festerd on..for years]
i was blocked from posting..many times..so learned to write..better..in time]

you could read my earlier posts..they wrere sad..
but thanks mainly to belly/greyman..i got it sort of figured out..eventually

i always feel..here..we have all types
but.in the main..switched on/clever people
truly peers..yet willing to voice an opinion..that dares disagree

[plus*..usually without name calling..
just our OPINIONS..based on..the facts..

yours is welcome
as are we..all

<<..without reason-abilty man is nothing
but should I deny my right to question? I think not.>>

of course not..questions must be asked
but usually at the place[thread],..where they arise

<<lies rooted in militarism and law enforcement barbarity>>

been there bro..still am..
but that clearly..shows..we are different..from them
its our ability..to choose to be different..which..olo celibates

<<heavily garnished..with Northern Ireland reactivity.>>
god be blessed..my wee bairn's..be -half orange/half green

<<..my ability to bend to much in the wind>>

its not bending..its carresing..[its how the gods hug]

<<..I have to say the moderator was very smart>>..
yes even worse he is fair

<<allow this one..to go through
to the keeper...>...

[for me its a keeper]

but..im agreed
but thats not up to..*us

thanks be to..the good..getting better
i will second..the e-motion

runner: don't have and never have had any Jayb.

Picked names out of a hat.

rehctub: I say this because one minute a very normal post appears, then bingo, all of a sudden you need an interpreter for the next.

There are a few like that.

saltpetre: Hmmm, how dull this life would be without the cut and thrust of diverse discourse, ranging widely and wildly o'er the very universe and unplumbed depths of 'reason' - or over the length of a piece of string?
(The answer of course is a banana of 'this colour'.)(Or,42?)

UOG: ..[the formula..to determine..
the length..of a piece of string.is twice its halved measure..

Buggar, beat me to it.

OK, UOG, you can stay.

Thank you OUG and Saltpetre : )

But....I went off on a tangent. Perhaps a little more wisdom may have seen me stand back and see the bigger picture...(not always as wise as I wish to be - and somewhat reactive:)

The wisest two here turn out to be OUG and Graham. Graham for allowing it to go up, and having faith in us - and OUG for his non-defensive stance and his humility.

And what is our bounty from all this, aside from a decent thread imbued with charity and good faith?

Chris Gaff's post above is for me a highlight of my time on OLO. Such humility is rare around here, where things "usually" descend quite rapidly into a slanging match.

This thread defied the odds and brought out the best in us.

"Still, I'm wondering how I would have felt if, instead of OUG, I'd clicked on OLO this morning and seen a whole thread dedicated to "Veto Poirot"."

You almost didn't have to wonder, Poirot... I tried, but it was rejected. Which was just as well, because autocorrect was on and had changed the title from 'Viva'!

As for Saltpetre and OUG... "unplumbed depths of 'reason' - or over the length of a piece of string?"

You seemed to have not noticed that this isn't a piece of string but a thread.

(Whilst we're at it, what is the furthest you can walk into a forest?)

'Totes' to chrisgaff1000 for this morning's post.

Kudos to chrisgaff1000 for his use of the word, humbled. So many politicians on being elected say they are humbled. Since my dictionary has the two meanings of humbled as 'decisively defeated' or 'brought down' it is his opponent who is actually humbled. The defeated candidates never admit to being humbled but will often contend that they didn't get their message across.

A cornucopia of good wishes to you, chrisgaff1000. May you continue to enjoy the cut and thrust of olo.

WN..<<..what is the furthest you can walk into a forest?)>>

you cant..forest..is self explanatory..FOR-REST*[foe-rest..fo-rest]
if your resting..your usually not walking anywhere..

for-rest falls under sovereign dominion..no hunting allowed..no

walking into..seems a key..
can one walk into a generality..
[forest..is a naming thing..[a noun]..you cant 'walk..into'..a noun

furthermost..furthest..also is disputable..
as at..the first tree..necessity twists the tape measure

the furthest..YOU*..[meaning me],..can walk
thats not going to happen..i dont walk into forersts..i melt into it

ok..i give up
my guides give up

hang-on..lets google..it
naw..thats cheating ..think

ok..that depends on..which forest
not all..forests..are walkable

nope..cant see the forst
for the trees

Dear Chris,

It takes strength of character to admit
when you've done the wrong thing. Bravo! You've now set
things right.

Dear OUG,

You are a jewel on the forum.
I look forward to reading more of your play with words.
As I've told you in the past - I find your play on
words awesome. (BTW: - My previous moniker was - Lexi -
but she's gone and Foxy's back).

Respect, chrisgaff1000.

ok i cheated
googled it..
but wont spoil the teaching..thinking..on..*it will..achieve

found..this

<<..How far can you walk into a forest - WikiAnswers

[link edited out]
the blurb looked interesting though

<<Where can you purchase pure cane syrup in Miami?
Answer it!

<<Where can you
buy the English snack Bibble? Answer it!

<<Where can you buy crushed sea shells?

but clicking on..
wiki.answers.com/Q/How_far_can_you_walk_into_a_forest

only gave the answer..
but use it..as a thought bubble blowing exercise
dont just accept..the prima surfacifica..the chosen

speaking of which..lexie..one of the foundation stones]..long been that firm kind hearted voice..that stirs..the minds of men..to..show off a little..

which sometimes..bring's out the best in us all
somehow our strong women..defend their thoughts quite affectingly

but its..when we see their flip side..
we feel..they are human too..god bless our differences

houlio could say it better

but one thing i know..
i just couldnt post..on an all..male forum..

too much..test-oster-one..
or not enough..pheromones.

p/hero-moans

except my examples..arnt equal opposites
but here we are equal..

despite the occasional..inferances made
as to wether we post like.,..a girl*

but..we need the yin
needed to balance our yang..

ooops lead balloon.
[see im..still..learning]

hey lexi;
;remember this..thread?

<<..Dear OUG,

PTP gave you a lucid post.

Why don't you reply to the questions he asks?
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 20 November 2008 12:31:01 PM>>

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2305&page=0

ahhh piper..is special too
drifts off..on the mind imagery.....

..*heck..now

im recalling the many..gone..some strong opinions
words silencing words..the ultimate crime..

Dear OUG,

"May your eyes continue
to see beautiful and significant things
May you keep your spirit (ours too) smiling
And may your soul dance to good music."

Grace and Peace.

Foxi: (BTW: - My previous moniker was - Lexi - but she's gone and Foxy's back).

I knew I recognized you from "Chicken Little & the Sky is Falling" Sexy Lexi & Foxy Loxie. ;-) Gotta be quick.

Well, it's a blast from the past to see Foxy's moniker up here again.

Jolly good show!

: )

We got your back OUG.

Chris,

It's disconcerting the style, sure, but sometimes when I'm feeling energetic, and bother reading, there are some real Gems in there from UOG or OUG. Wonderful word play!

I reckon he's a National Treasure.

You still rock Trev!

But, all in all, a wonderful piece of theatre. Not unlike the election actually...

I think Graham let it through to exhibit a microcosm of our times, the ubiquitous phenomena of the public figure making a statement, being attacked from all sides by the outrage industry, then retracting (or 'clarifying') his statement the next day. Where are your convictions chris! So wishy washy

Dear Jayb,

Thanks for that.
And you were always great on the up take.
Keep it up.

Dear Poirot,

As always - you go girl!

this was given..to me
i now give it..for the fox

friendship*

your eyes,,are like the sunshine
that awakens me each morn

what a wonderful day that you were born
for true friendship..like yours
is hard to find

for you are..a very special kind
someone..who listens..and takes care
someone who worships..our land..to share..>>

here i thought she was trying to ignore me
and i said..thank you..i will go
she said no wait..and finished

thank you..for the listening..to my tales
just being a friend to you is all i ask..

so let..the spirit..of our mother earth..
walk with you always..for true friendship..is ours forever

Margaret Armstrong
12/7/96

gifted now
to..our posters..on olo..
not only on this day
but..in this way
everyday

a blessing is doubled
when its shared

dammmm chris..
look at what ya gone an dun

blessings to fall..upon..everyone
one by one..the spell..is sung

"(Whilst we're at it, what is the furthest you can walk into a forest?)"

Wasn't worth over analyzing OUG... the answer is:

halfway!

Stellar, H... I've always depended on the kindness of strangers.

Dear OUG,

Thank You for the poem.

You always keep my spirit smiling!

Well it got me out of my slumber.
The very thought any poster should be banned is weird.
OUG has his followers and we all have the right not to read his posts.
We have far more than one seeming bigot when talking about religion.
And I think only GY should have the power to remove anyone

Dear Belly,

Hear! Hear!

WM..quote..<<..You seemed to have not noticed
that this isn't a piece of string...*but a thread.>>

i missed that
we got some great peaces..in this thread
but..your saying *thread..reminded me of a wise saying

it is only..at..the days birth
and at its death..that a black/thread..and a white thread..both look grey*

its always darkest..before the dawn
but observe it at dawn and dusk..everything looks grey
but that setting light..is always bright..[mention..the green flash]

Wm..<<..(Whilst we're at it,
what is the furthest you can walk into a forest?)

you said midway..not spoiling..the thought..process

brilliant
but folks thats not all

why..midway?
that point of equality..
midway..between..where we come from
and that to where we wish to go..now we are midway

do we go back
or forward

midway..is where we are
do we go onwards..or fall..backwards

its our choice
midway..because we first..went in

midway..we go....*.....?

ps..if you cheated..the reveal..*here*..belongs to Wm
what else we got..[ya dont think..marget..gave me that poet spirit?]

eye contact..is huge
thats how we exchange guides

the spell hidden within spelling..yet the eyes have it*

OUG wrote: midway..is where we are
do we go onwards..or fall..backwards

We set the clocks ahead in spring for daylight saving and back in the fall. So it's 'Spring forward and fall back."

Davidf: We set the clocks ahead in spring for daylight saving and back in the fall. So it's 'Spring forward and fall back."

Aah, not in Queensland. We stand still & enjoy the peace & quite.

On that in & out subject.

Oh, The grand old Duke of York,
He had ten thousand men;
He marched them up to the top of the hill,
And he marched them down again.

And when they were up, they were up,
And when they were down, they were down,
And when they were only half-way up,
They were neither up nor down.

Richard, Duke of York (1411–1460), who was defeated at the Battle of Wakefield on 30 December 1460. Richard's army, some 8,000 strong, was awaiting reinforcements at Sandal Castle in Wakefield (the castle was built on top of a Norman motte). He was surrounded by Lancastrian forces some three times that number, but chose to sally forth to fight. Richard died in a pitched battle at Wakefield Green, together with between one third and one half of his army.

OUG/UOG, I will continue to scroll by your posts (with a heavy index finger) happy just to know your stream of consciousness is there should I ever need the succor of its bosom.

I salute you. Long live OUG/UOG.

Sorry, meant English succour not American succor,(.....nor sucker, with an extra carriage return). Anyway, the bosom part was right.

What an interesting thread this has become.
Thanks to all.
More poetry please.

Ok. I'll add another one:

"All that is gold does not glitter
Not all those who wander are lost
The old that is strong does not wither
Deep roots are not reached by the frost

From the ashes a fire shall be woken
A light from the shadows shall spring
Renewed shall the blade that was broken
The crownless again shall be king..."

(J.R.R. Tolkien - "The Lord of The Rings.").

"Where Is The Love?"

What's wrong with the world,..OBAMA*
People livin'..like they ain't got no mamas
I think the whole world is addicted to the drama
Only attracted..to things that'll bring you trauma's

Overseas,..yeah,..we try to top terrorism
But we still got t'error-ists..in here..givin' in.

beggers..In the USA,..the big CIA..run by mossad
The Bloods and The Crips and the KKK..most sad

But..if you only have love..for your own race
Then you only leave space..to discriminate
And to discriminate..only generates hate
And when you hate..then you're bound to get irate, yeah

Madness..is what you demonstrate
And that's exactly how anger works..and operates

Man, you gotta have love..just WE all get..to set it straight
Take control..of your mind and meditate..Let your soul gravitate to the love,

the love..y'all,
y'all..the love

People killin',..people dyin'
Children hurt..and you hear them cryin'
Can you practise..what you preach
And would you turn..the other cheek

Father,

Father,

Father..help us
Send some guidance from above
'Cause people got me,..got me questionin'
Where is the love..the ..Love yal..dont just watch the domino's fall)

Where is the love,
the lover,..the lovely

It just ain't the same,..old ways have changed
New days are strange,..is the world insane?
If love..and peace are so strong..Why are there pieces
of love that other love..of ill..that don't belong?

Nations droppin' cluster bombs
/napalm/chloride/sarin..and white phosper

Chemical gasses fillin' lungs of little ones
With ongoin' sufferin'..as the youth die young
So ask yourself..is the lovin' really gone

So I could ask myself..really what is goin' wrong
In this world..that we livin' in..people keep on givin' in

Makin' wrong decisions,..
only visions..of them dividends

Not respectin' each other..deny thy own brother
A war is goin'..on but the reason's undercover

The truth is kept secret,
it's swept under the rug
If you never know truth then you never know love

People killin', people dyin'
Children hurt and you hear them cryin'
Can you practise what you preach
And would you turn the other cheek

I feel the weight of the world..on my shoulder
As I'm gettin' older,..y'all, people gets colder
Most of us only care about money makin'
Selfishness got us followin'..the wrong direction

Wrong information..always shown by the media
Negative images..is the main criteria
Infecting the young minds..faster than bacteria
Kids wanna act like..what they see in the cinema

Yo',..whatever happened..to the values of humanity
Whatever happened..to the fairness and equality
Instead of spreading love..we're spreading animosity
Lack of understanding,..leading us away from unity

That's the reason why sometimes I'm feelin' under
That's the reason why sometimes I'm feelin' down
There's no wonder why sometimes I'm feelin' under
Gotta keep my faith alive 'til love is found
Now ask yourself

Where is the love?
Where is the love?
Where is the love?
Where is the love?

Father, Father, Father, help us
Send some guidance from above
'Cause people got me, got me questionin'
Where is the love?
love love love

Sing with me y'all:

One word,..one world
(We only got)One world, one world (That's all we got)

And something's wrong with it..but its not you
(Yeah)..but there a lot..all right in it..long over due

Any thought that the thread should not have been given a run is surely dead.
At the hands of the thread its self.
Contributors have put a case that can not be bettered.
We have seen great fairness and balance in those comments.
Gday OUG, must go Rudd needs me.

just dont forget belly
we need you here too..

but we agree..for this moment..alp..needs you more
all..is not lost..till..the last preferences reveal..the real cost

i used to love scrutineer-ing
but dont forget your magnifying lens
most of us will be voting..on the line..barely able to leave our mark

it wont be personal
no one told us the truth

but thats nothing compared to..the spin..to come
once tony gets done

anyhow i have notified sells and singer
one or the other could swing it

let the first become last

does god require a special language?
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15341&page=0

palistein/jewish policy
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15394&page=0

its hoped the watchmen awake in time

anyhow
how did you treat thy talents

from
http://www.bartleby.com/200/sw4.html

I will quote a passage
which is unfamiliar enough to be regarded with fresh attention

in the light—
or darkness—of these observations:

And now methinks I could e’en chide myself
For doating on her beauty, though her death
Shall be revenged after no common action.

Does the silkworm expend her yellow labours
For thee? For thee does she undo herself?

Are lordships sold to maintain ladyships
For the poor benefit of a bewildering minute?

Why does yon fellow falsify highways,
And put his life between the judge’s lips,
To refine such a thing—..keeps of horse and men
To beat their valours for her?…..if so..what then?

just..for you..all
my..longest post yet/maybe last

extract/plus comment..on
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Gone_West.pdf

i..hope will post in full
but its too long,,[plusw run,,out of posts..to post it where intended

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

anyhow..hang-on
it..may soon be gone

ps he is talking..about..his guardian/angel
at the time of his death..[as begun..at link]

QUOTE>><<..one/instant..I seem to..know..him well,
at another..he..*changes..[as his..mood/thought..change]..
and..I can get..no clear idea..of his face..or form.

He shimmers..and shines..and
flashes,..and seems..*as if..he were made/of fire.
His/robes,..his face,..his whole_form..is..as/if it..were fire.>>

fire..equals/passion
but look deeper..

[..recall..the pillar/cloud]

well..let the veil drop.
.he..IS talking..about god...!
no longer..hidden..in_a_cloud..

[yet..we..in/his..image..could..NOT see it..
through..the veil]..[watch...the veil lift]

via ana-gram..

live*../..*evil../..vile*../..v*eil

or
eli*./..lie*../..i El../..eil*
of the..*eternal/immortal..light*..[*eil]..*

ie-
tHE light..sustaining..life
/via logic/..to live..its inherent love
enjoined..MATERIAL/LIVING heirs..or the light..[darkness]

yet el..found
even..within the darkness..of hell
yet 'he'..is..in he'aven....yet..not in..passion

the flame..is not of the light..
nor revealed..by the light..but..is*..THE TRUE only LIGHT*
sustaining us ALL..our living..[yet living..within all]..in the light

back to,gone/west

<<..Yet that word..[fire]..
gives bu. a faint idea,..nor would the word..'light'..be any nearer...

<<..All color,..too,..is here...
This glorious one..is my..teacher.

[back to..h.j.l/dying]

<<“Hardly had I..perceived him,..
when..the whole room...in which I stood*
*and the people..who were there..seemed to..dissolve..and fade away.

Lo!..I was..*in the most exquisite
scenery imaginable...Every lovely spot..I had Over visited/was there, and countless others..which I had never/seen—.>>...

EDITED..

<<“‘Where am I?’..I thought,..and
no sooner..had the idea..*entered..[no LEFT].. my mind,
[if indeed..one can use..the word],..,.than the..‘Shining One’..seemed to answer..>>

[esp/by*..thought transference]

EDIT

<<Know..that here comes...every thought..
which you have ever*..thought;..soon also..you shall know..that is so,..to your sorrow;..>>..[or joy]

<<and,..further,..here come also..
the spiritual form..of all that ever lived...

Gawd struth!

These threads are being hijacked by some religious proponent who believes everybody should listen to his rantings. I believe he should be barred from the board until he tones down his rhetoric and gets his written English together.

;-)

yeah..a blast..from the past
thats how i used to write..all the time

you have much to thank..belly..for
his effort/and grayham's..has changed me
only for lack of my ability..lack of editing skill..
and post limits..[that needfully limit my insane raves to..4 per day/per topic..

see me reverting..
inspiration..and finality
for timing..is everything..oops can post it now

gotta go
hope we talk..again/soon

:}

one under god,

Why no capital as in God? Godly references are due that. As in Holy Grail. Or He could get angry,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZhLDo09D68

On with your mission....

So this is what "Gobsmacked" means.
One small word for a man, one giant thread for...
?

gob smacked..thats a great word
sums it up neatly..thats how i felt writing..it

but i edited it to death
oh well

onthebeach..<<..Why no capital as in God?>>..

to be honest..
that would stop my thought flow

[i think im right/brain..and going over to..hold down..the cap loc..often..initiates a disconnect*..of both my right brain..

*PLUS too often/usually..somehow
EVERYTHING..disappears..of what im writing

so when i learned..that jews dont capitalize....well..i thought..me neither

i went with.it..but
the biggest reason..was loosing too many posts

especially just as im adding the final edit/final florish
[i just saved the page]..via revieuw..[cause of the memory[but usually forget[and its gone]

i just learned to..keep my fat fingered left hand..away from the keyboard

<<Godly references are due that>>

im sure god sees what we write..more than..how well it was punctuated/capitalised..[i know if its ever..used against me in court..the judge will not..check for capitalization..[if he does he dont..know..the pain..of writing a near perfect posdt..thenina blink.see it..lost for ever*

<<..As in Holy Grail..,.Or He could get angry,>>

love the movie..ridicule the precept
god dont get angry..[would you get angry]..if one*
of your neurons..went crazy..or cancerous..or 'died'

god knows death..is only..of the flesh
he knows whats in our heart..by..the things we do

anyhow..thanks for the joy
[ie the..vid/conversation]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZhLDo09D68

On with your mission....

i feel..now its done/except for the explaining
i just hope people..FORCE ME TO..EXPLAIN*

cheers

Grim..<<..One small word for a man, one giant thread for...
?..>>

well..primarilly for david who..introduced
*loki

anyhow the place to start would be at his post
unfortunately when..i began the reply..i only ..took the link..from
where i returned to..the topic fraction..where we talked of ways seeing duealities

[but saw more than i thought..
or would have edited more into this that first post

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257#266929

loki is an interesting god..raised by david?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loki

<<..Loki's relation with the gods..varies by source.
Loki sometimes assists the gods..and sometimes causes problems for them.

Loki is a shape shifter..and in separate incidents
he appears in the form of a salmon, mare, seal, a fly, and possibly an elderly woman..>>..

and now as either as adam/eve?..
serpent?

<<..The goddess Gefjun asks..why the two gods must fight,
saying that..Loki knows that he is joking,..and that "all living things love him.">>

thats key

<<..Loki responds to Gefjun by stating that
Gefjun's heart was once seduced by a "white boy">>

ie loki..yet again
the joker/that loves sex

<<..such behaviour was unlike Thor.

Thor responds by telling Loki to be silent,
threatening him with Mjöllnir,..and adding that every one of Loki's bones will be broken with it.

Loki says he intends to live for a long while yet
despite Thor's threats,..*and taunts Thor about an encounter..Thor once had with the jötnar Skrýmir

*(Útgarða-Loki in disguise).
Thor again commands Loki to be silent,
threatens Loki with Mjöllnir, and says he will send Loki to Hel, below the gates of Nágrind.[20]>>

anyhow that tells me..to go to the officer
for..the next bit..especially..the shape shifters..he encounters early..in..his tale

http://new-birth.net/booklet/Gone_West.pdf
anyhow words run to the line
lets finnish..with a rhyme

see if it rings any bells

<<.. Ale you brewed, Ægir, and you will never again hold a feast;
all your possessions which are here inside—*>>

where god is*
emanuel/god with[in]/us[all]

<<..may flame play over them,>>
lol flame..get iyt?

<<..and may your back be burnt![*]...>

thats how demons take over similar mindsets
read the adjutants drinking buddy..[in..*gone west]

we feel..it as a shiver

LOL
what is 42?

Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life,
the Universe, and Everything (42)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrases_from_The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy

42*

..<<demand to learn the Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life,
The Universe, and Everything from the supercomputer, Deep Thought, specially built for this purpose.

It takes Deep Thought 7½ million years to compute
and check the answer, which turns out to be 42.

Deep Thought points out that the answer seems meaningless because the beings who instructed it never actually knew what the Question was.

When asked to produce The Ultimate Question, Deep Thought says that it cannot; however, it can help to design an even more powerful computer that can.

This new computer will incorporate living beings into the "computational matrix" and will run for ten million years.

It is revealed as being the planet Earth,

the secret of life
SEE..PAGE 42

lol
loki
the fool..cool

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=42

SOON..to be posted,..in response to a mossad troll
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15394&page=0

THE SIX~POINTED STAR
research
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AStar_of_David

http://watch.pair.com/mark.html
THE MARK OF THE BEAST

EDITED
Revelation 13:16,17

FOREWORD

And I saw…them..that had gotten..the victory over the beast,

And over his image..and over his mark…

SIX straight linees
SIX intersecting points
six isolated triangles..surrounding a..hex-ogram*

http://www.triumphpro.com/star-of-david.htm
The so-called “Star of David” is essentially a “hexagram,..

Many Jews and Christians..
have been deceived..by Jewish Kabbalists
who would have them believe..that the six-pointed star is a Jewish symbol.

*Nothing could be further..from the truth.
It is not a Jewish symbol,..but an occult symbol.

The six-pointed star is a hexagram..a curse mark
no matter what name..it may have:..the Star of David, Solomon's Seal, Double Triangle,..Shield of David, etc...

When the occult practitioner..puts a curse on someone,
he uses..the hexagram!

It is not our goal..to condemn the Jewish people,
but to condemn..the six-pointed star,..*a curse mark.

Brethren,..my heart's desire
and prayer to God..for Israel is,..*that they might be saved.
For I bear them record.. that they have a zeal for God,..but not according to knowledge. (Rev. 10:1,2)

But ye have born..the tabernacle
of your Moloch,..and Chiun (Remphan) your images,
the STAR OF..YOUR GOD,..which ye made to yourselves...(Amos 5:26-27)

It is our hope that,..during the seven years of the Great Tribulation,..the Lord will use this report..to show the Jewish people that the six-pointed star..is the mark of the beast;

and that,..with this understanding,
many will reject the mark..[deasth]..when it comes

#OUG
You are genius for working all that out.

Did you know that Max Brenner (as in the coffee shop with supposed connections to Israel) is an anagram for "Annex Brr Em". Brr Em is ancient Aramaic for the West Bank. Also - and this may shock people- Barbara Streisand and Yentel are an anagram for "Settle a Barnyard Near Bis". A Barnyard near Bis is Mossad code for the West Bank. Get it ? The movie Yentel is part of an elaborate propaganda campaign to undermine the rights of Palestinians. The song from Yentel "Papa can you hear me" is clearly a rallying cry for the destruction of the Palestinians.

OUG these people need to be stopped ! We look to you OUG to save us. Only you have the wisdom and knowledge to decipher their nefarious coded messages. Help us before it is too late ! Help us please!

please ignore the troll

Gosh Almighty Ben, that's brilliant!
Do you realise, TONY ABBOTT actually stands for:
There Only Needs Yobbos
About Boats (to) Banish Our Tacit Theism?
this is clearly a conspiracy of truly cosmic proportions.
What shall we do?

Run away! Run away! We'll all be kil't, we'll all be kil't.

#Grim

Nice one. Here was another post the other day in response to one of OUG rants about the terrible Jews..

# one under medication

That's amazing. But did you know that if you transpose the letters of the word "matzah ball soup" to numbers and multiply and add them in a particular way, you get the number 666 ! Spooky but it is all so clear now dont you think ? Generations of jewish grandmothers have been passed on a recipe that is code for the devil. I shudder to think what the innocuous bagel is actually code for ?

We must put an end to these fiendish plots once and for all. Perhaps you and i could arrange a picket outside local jewish delicatessants to warn people before they consume these satanic dishes ? If you came dressed up as a giant Matzha ball with horns sticking out, I'm sure that would get the message home.

Your suggesions on these matters would be greatly appreciated.

bendover..please dont troll..lies
<<..one of OUG rants about the terrible Jews...>>

you dont read my raves..
if you did..you would know
my father is a jew..but not my mother/unlike yours

i dont care to expose..my thought..
to any further of your slurs

..grow up sunshine
get a life*..or a wife..
your right..arm must be tired*..even sperm..
have a right to live..so stop spurting your bile here..please

if you got anything..usefull..to say
begin by responding..at the right thread

ps dont feed the trolls

"Your suggesions on these matters would be greatly appreciated."

I suggest that the DR is short for DRopkick?

OUG

I doubt your father is jewish my friend. sounds a bit like people who say that some of their best friends are black after telling a racist joke. If he is, im sure he is rather proud that his son turned out to be an appalling anti-Semite who cites holocaust deniers like David Duke (ex KKK) and regurgitates hateful nonsense that appears to come straight out of the Protocols of Zion or Mein Kampf. You are liable for arrest under about 2 state and federal laws relating to religious intolerance and hate speech, as are OLO for disseminating it. If someone actually cared, they could trace you in a second. I'd probably get a lawyer if I were you.

Don't bother responding. I wont be reading it as have better things to do with my time. Anyhow I can't understand your mispelt juvenile schoolyard gibberish.

" I wont be reading it as have better things to do with my time...."

Parting gift:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29

God the Father..planned human history
to be the arena.for the appeal trial of Satan.

Each dispensation of time..represents a certain phase..of the appeal trial of Satan.
God the Father..planned for mankind..to serve as witnesses for the prosecution.

The mechanics associated/with human witnesses:

God created man lower than the angels.
Man was created with volition, that is, with the capacity to choose.

The issue associated with the mechanics:

If the lower creature, man,..chooses for God,..the higher creature, Satan,..could have chosen for God,..but didn't.

Since the lower creature
does choose..for God,..God is therefore justified>>..

only..if needing a scape/goat
i know..my vile was done..by me..[not satan]

<<..Point of doctrine:
God sends no one..to the lake of fire.
The lake of fire..is the final destination..of all PASSION*

creatures who reject..the respective form
of God's redemptive plan,..whether that creature is an angel or a human being...reject only grace and mercy..[there is no lake..unless we..CHOSE*..it..then..only for ourselves]


Restating..the purpose:
God created man..for the purpose of using man..to assist in the resolution..*of the spiritual battle..known as the angelic conflict.

http://www.brettell.org/3why.htm

http://gracebasics.blogspot.com.au/2008/11/tacatats.html

At some time..before the creation of the universe,
God created the angelic host...The universe, including earth,
was created..to be inhabited by the angels.

The Bible..tells us that..*all of the sUns of God..(angelic beings) shouted for joy..when God laid the foundation of the earth..(Job 38:7),..

the creation..described
in the first verse..of the Bible:

In the beginning..God created
the heavens and the earth.(Genesis 1:1)

The word for "create"..in Genesis 1:1 is bara.

Nelson's Expository Dictionary..of the Old Testament
explains the importance.of this word:

This verb is of profound theological significance,
since it has only God..as the subject...*Only God can "create" in the sense implied by bara.

The verb expresses..creation out of nothing,..an idea seen clearly
in passages having to do with creation..on a cosmic scale.

All other verbs for "creating".allow a much broader range of meaning;..they have both human and divine subjects,..and are used in contexts where bringing something..or someone into existence is not the issue.[1]

rebellion..was centered upon one tiny planet.in the universe: Earth, where Lucifer ..ad been assigned..and given dominion...

Dear Poirot,

The label of a poster as a troll is a subjective judgment. In my subjective judgment Ben DR is not a troll.

The revolt..of Lucifer..brought the earth.into a state of chaos.
The earth was enveloped..in darkness and became chaotic.

This is shown..in the second verse..of Genesis:

And the earth..was formless..and void..(Genesis/1:2a)

We cannot possibly understand..our purpose as human beings,
or God's will..for our lives,..or why there is suffering,..or a number of other things—unless..we understand..the nature of the angelic conflict..and the appeal/trial..of Satan.

He seeks..to prove
that under..the right circumstances
any.and every created being..with free volition.would have made the same choices..he did.

http://www.gbible.org/index.php?proc=pre&sf=rea&tid=590

The Greek..word for witness..is “martus,”..which means a legal witness.

Throughout/their history,..the Jewish people.had heard prophecies about..their coming Savior,..but most never understood..what these prophecies really/meant.

They thought..their salvation would be deliverance..into an earthly kingdom...In reality they were being offered..deliverance from the bondage..of sin.

This is where we come in...
This is where believers..of the present ag.. will be called as witnesses..to testify about the righteousness,..justice,love, and grace of God;

*answering the question..whether God is fair..and just..to those He created
http://www.gbible.org/index.php?proc=tre&sf=rea&tid=368

This is followed..by the rebuttal arguments..of the defense where Satan cross-examines..those witnesses...In the second/phase..evidence and arguments..are offered by both sides.

In the/third ..nd final phase..there are
the closing arguments..and summary..of the prosecution.

And when..the thousand years are completed,..Satan will be released from his prison,.[was let out?]..and will come/out to..deceive the nations..to gather them together for the FINAL/war;

We all..should ask them
MAR 8:36-37 "For what does it profit a man..EDITED..gained an astonishing/chunk..of the world..and lost his own/soul.

In..the closing arguments..and summary,
the answer..to Satan's appeal..is twofold:

a)The perfect..and eternal character..of God
cannot be unfair,,or prejudiced,..*and cannot pass..a false sentence.

b)The negative volition..of Satan/men..and all fallen angels
demands punishment..[no..grace/mercy..there..but for fate are thee]

the perfect..righteousness..and justice of God.
In light of..all this,..you should start to..become aware of something...*

*Your life..has very definite/purpose,
meaning,..and definition..in this angelic conflict

We live..in the dispensation
when..the ordinary believer..is important.
In eternity..you will realize that..the things you considered important..were not important..at all

Addressing..Certain Objections/Questions
http://www.cotsk.org/studyguides/SpecialAppeal3A.pdf
http://www.cotsk.org/studyguides/SpecialAppealAd1.pdf
http://www.cotsk.org/studyguides/SpecialAppealAd2.pdf

Satan’s Strategy..for His Domain
http://www.cotsk.org/studyguides/SpecialAppeal4.pdf
DOCTRINE..OF THE ANGELIC CONFLICT
http://www.versebyverse.org/doctrine/angel_con.html

david f.,

You may be right.

Whatever...

(I'm going back to twitter now)

pure ohh

to explain..perhaps
davids words
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

david quote..<<..Not only are good and evil entwined,
but one can do evil..with good motives or vice versa.>>

how i look at it..chris pushed me
then..ben..pushed me

and i for one
am pleased with..the fruit

i have learned..so much from..chris george ben you..david..grayham/belly..lexi..otb..so much..and it just gets better

My apologies to Chrisgaff for wandering off topic; for the sake of relevance let me vote “no”. As I have said many times, the great advantage of Freedom of Speech is that it makes it so much easier to identify the assholes (self not included, of course).
I fully agree with the sentiments of Josephus, Poirot et al. (except for the trolling bit).
Having got that out of the way, can I play silly-buggers on your thread now, huh, can I, can I?
JayB, no I say. We must never run, but stand shoulder to shoulder against tyranny and the individual's right to spel badly... If outnumbered, one must only walk away as quickly as dignity allows.
Ben DR, I am appalled. Jewish grandmothers have as much right to eat satanic dishes as any other grandmothers, even Matzuh balls.
(I had to Google that one. I did appreciate Wikipedia's advice: “always wet the hands to handle the sticky balls).
I think there's something in that for all of us.

might..is rite*
[ritual...greed/creed/cred]

extract/from
http://www.versebyverse.org/doctrine/angel_con.html

# Man's creation..was to resolve..the Angelic Conflict..and answer the appeal..of Satan...Angels lived in the second heaven..with access to the third..for convocations, Job.1.

After..the revolt of Isa.14:12-14,..Satan set up his headquarters on the earth..and made a garbage dump out of it. It ended up being covered with ice and darkness.

In six days,..God (Holy Spirit) restored the earth..to perfect environment.and set up..*the volition test(Ps.8:35; Heb.2:7).

# Human..volition..was tested,
as was..angelic volition.

1.Angels began perfect..(innocent)..with free will.
Mankind also..began perfect..with free will.

2.Some went negative,..creating two categories.
[God..does not coerce/judge/condemnor censure..at any time...We are not/slave/robots.

#The..two tests..of man's volition.

1.Under..perfect/environment,
only one act..was forbidden..to Adam(Gen.2:17).[not eve]

2.The second..is..the need toscape-goat/blame other(Gen.3:15; Rom.5:12; 6:23).

# Man's..positive volition..in God's plan..
to have mankind..judge Satan's appeal..[as peers](Heb.1:4-14; cp. Lk.15:710).

gods..Angels cheer..when..an unbeliever..accepts Christ/grace/mercies...dittosatansd angels cheer..when we [like them]..'fall'

1...Angels observed..the incarnation..of Christ/love(Mt.4:11; 28:2; Lk.2:13;..Act.1:10;..1Tim.3:16).
2...Angels/ob-serve..believers..(1Cor.4:9; 6:3; 11:10; Eph.3:10; 1Tim.5:21; 1Pet.1:12).
3...Fallen angels..de-serve/..non-believers(Job.1:6; 2:13; Eph.6:12).

#..Results..of..the Angelic/Conflict for..dispensation.

1.Phase one,..salvation...
via atonement[at-one-meant]

We are..NOT*..higher..than angels/positionally
[one can ONLY..be judged..by a jury..of peers](Heb.2:7).

2..Phase two,..spiritual maturity.
We..can have..a tactical/victory..in the Angelic/Conflict.[but thus loose right..to judge]..

Any blessing..we..GIVE UNTO other,..in/the*..devil's-world
is..a tactical/victory...thatvoids..our duty..to bjudge

We..cannot receive*..blessing/without..1st/person-capacity..[standing](1Pet.1:7,8).
3...Phase three,eternity.[our gifted..life*..is eternal
that we stay/equal/peer[by the same measure]..We will/NOT..be/higher than..angels(Phil.3:21).

#..adam's initial/fall..gave the/rulership..of this/world..to Satan..(Gen.3;..Jn.12:31;..14:30;..16:11;..2Cor.4:4;..Eph.2:2)..but man's positive volition..can free him..from Satan's/dominion..while living in..Satan's kingdom(Gal.5:1).

# Questions..2b..answered..by the Angelic/Conflict.

1.Why..was man..created equally..in..his/image?
To resolve/the Angelic Conflict...via peers/equals

2.What is history.. An extension of,
and..*conclusion to,..the Angelic/Conflict.

3.Why sin?
Because angels..and man/have..volition.
God..is not/the..author of sin,..freewill..is,..Jam.1:13.

4...Why suffering?
God..is going to..remove this,[without.loosing..its teavhing..].but right/now..this is Satan's kingdom/school..and Satan..cannot handle his/own kingdom.*

The result..is EXTREEM..poverty/untold wealth,
deliberated intended poisoning/disease,..war, death,etc.
God's plan//[at-one-ment]..turns past/suffering..into ETERNAL/blessing.

edited
#God's provision..for us
for..the Angelic Conflict..is spelled out/in Eph.6:11-17.

examined..here
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

expanded surmised..here
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=5995&page=0

bbegun..on the topic
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

The Quran/says:
"We..have issued..two seas..[see/sea/see?]
that never mingle..with one..an other >>

ie good/vile...direct oppisites

but..back to..the last/link..
line 9

Satan is..*unable to touch any..but his own
..but*..he may tempt..a weak heart..weak will
ie when..one is ONLY..making half heart-ed attempt..[to do good]

<<..9 The devil/said to Allah:

<<..I shall certainly come upon them..from before them
and from behind them;..and from their right..and from their left;
and Thou wilt not find..*most of them*..thankful ..(Holy Qur-an 7:17)...?

them=good's servants

next..from same link
http://www.seventhfam.com/temple/books/black_man/blk55.htm

<<..46..My people..*must know the truth,>>
[good=god..not good =not of god]

<<the Gods truth --.the time>>
of common goodlyness..<<.is at hand!>

They are reared..and taught
by..devils and they know it not;

and being ignorant of the truth,..
They offer opposition..to the God..even of their salvation,

[god]..Who is the very author of..ALL* Truth.>>

ie ONLY truth..*

[good/truth]..[godly truth]
not the vile..pretensions/feigning..to be the *only true

BOTH..quotes..from

http://www.seventhfam.com/temple/books/black_man/blk55.htm

regardless sura 55..is revealing
http://www.islamicity.com/quran/55.htm

anyhow back to..surah 7..

satans fall

he was..*SPECIFICALLY..talking..of gods servants[in this case]
[them!][as in..you will know them..by their works]

<<..[Satan]said, "Because You have put me in error,
I will surely sit*..in wait for them..[your servants]..on Your straight path.>>

<<..16. He said:.."Because thou hast.thrown me..
out of the way,..lo! I will lie*..in wait for them*,
[YOUR SERVANTS]..[ie good/servants]..on thy straight way:..>>

<<....7:16 He said: Now,..because Thou hast sent me astray,
verily I shall lurk*..in ambush for them* on Thy Right Path...>>

I CANT FIND
A CORRECT TRANSLATION
THAT Clearly reveals..who..*them..is
them/then..refers to the un-fallen angels..[in this case]

its a key/bit to leave out.
WHO..is them/where/when?...

http://www.soundvision.com/info/quran/english.asp
<<No doubt, the peculiar..circumstances of history
which brought..the Qur'an..into contact..with the English language
have left their imprint..on the non-Muslim..as well as..the Muslim bid to translate it.

The results..and achievements..
of their efforts..leave a lot to be desired>>

anyhow them=gods messengers..WHO..know their masters/voice..
if its not good,..its not of god

read surah 7..
re satans fall..[thus too..our own]
http://www.masjidtucson.org/quran/noframes/ch7.html

.

ps i know the/bible?..has some extra/writers..
not included..in other sects/creeds/translations

if i had menory..in mind..i would will to find..them..
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=missing+bible+text
http://archive.org/stream/LostBooksOfTheBible/LostBooksOfTheBible_djvu.txt

but the flesh..needs a tweak....

well..that was informative
but a dead/end*

but..found better
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/lbob/index.htm
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/lbob/

ok..im going in
after..two/..disappointing links

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/lbob/lbob17.htm

<<.. I am full of joy,..hoping the..rather to he saved;
inasmuch as I truly see a spirit infused..*into you*.. from the pure fountain..of God:

4.Having this persuasion,..and..by being fully convinced..thereof,
because..that since I have begun to speak..unto you,..I have had a more than ordinary..good success..
..*in the way of..the law..of the/Lord which is..*in Christ.

5..For which cause/brethren,
I also think verily..that I love you..above my own soul:
.because..&that there-in*..dwelleth*...the greatness of faith and charity,..as also the hope..of that life which is to come.

6...Wherefore considering this,
that if I shall take care..to communicate to you
a part..of what I have received,..it shall turn to my reward,
that I have served..such good souls;..I gave diligence to write..in a few words unto you;..*that together*..with your faith/knowledge..also that we may be perfect...TOGETHER*

7..There are therefore..three..[11]..things
ordained..by the Lord;..the hope of life;..the beginning..and the completion of it.

8..For the Lord..hath both declared unto us,
by the prophets..those things that..are past;
and opened to us..*the beginnings of those..that are to come.

9..Wherefore, it will behoove us, 1 as he has spoken, to come 2 more holily, and nearer to his altar.

10..I therefore, not as a teacher, but as one 3 of you, will endeavour to lay before you a few things by which you may, on 4 many accounts, become the more joyful.

That God has abolished the legal sacrifices
to introduce the spiritual righteousness of the Gospel.

SEEING then the days are exceeding evil,
and the adversary has got the power of this present..world we ought to give the more diligence..to inquire into the righteous judgments of the Lord.

2..Now the assistants of our faith..are fear and patience;
our fellow-combatants,..long-suffering and continence.

3..Whilst these remain pure..in what relates unto the Lord*,
wisdom,..and understanding,..and science,.and knowledge,

*..rejoice together/with them.

4..For God has manifested..to us
*..by all the prophets,..that he has no occasion for our sacrifices, or burnt-offerings, or oblations:

saying thus;
To what purpose is the multitude..of your sacrifices unto me,..saith the Lord.>>

ahhh men ..eh..barbberous

ps..i loved..grims post..

that/reminds us..
that this..*is chris/topic
thankfully..he is/still..posting..so hasnt left..

but..i wish..he could know
the results..of..his impulse..was pre-ordained

we each*..have our parts..to play

we cant*..stuff anything up..unless we harden our hearts..
ie..[let life..breaks us]..

[or worse..
silence our ability..of mind
consciousness*..to act/react..as our expressions of ego..to enact re-act...spirit deserves]

anyhow
from..previous/link

<<..WHEREFORE..it is necessary..
that searching diligently..into those things..
which are near..to come to pass,..we should write to you..what may serve..to keep you whole.

2..To which end
let us flee.;.from every evil/work..and hate..[DE-bait]..the errors of..the present time,>>

hating..the error
NOT THE MAN*

<<that we may be happy..in that..which is to come:

3..Let us not give ourselves
the liberty of disputing with the wicked and sinners;
lest we should chance..in time to become like unto them.>>

those willing to fight/argue/hate/despise..or kill
love killing....dont fall..into the trap-rap..more [of the same]..will be given!

4..For the consummation>>..[appeal/trial/judgment/satan..etc]..
<<of sin..is come,..for..as it is fore-written,..as the prophet Daniel says.

And for this end..the Lord hath shortened..the times and the days, that his beloved*..[ie everyone]..might hasten his OWN..coming to his good true inheritance.

5..For so the prophet speaks;
There shall ten kings reign..*in the heart>>

,[loving things kings love]

<<and there shall rise..last of all
another little one,..and he shall humble three EARTHLY kings.>>

issiah=horn?..[of plenty]..my name
includes two horns?

6..And again..Daniel speaks..in like manner
concerning the kingdoms;..and I saw the fourth beast..dreadful and terrible,..and strong exceedingly;..and it had ten horns.

I considered the horns,..and behold t
here came up among them..another little horn,
before which..were three of the first horns..plucked up by the roots.

7 We ought therefore..to understand this also:
And I beseech you..as one of your own brethren,..loving you all beyond my own life,..that you look well to yourselves,..and be not like to those who add sin to sin,

and say:..That their*covenant..is ours also.
Nay,..but it is ours only:>>

for are we all..not created of his love..*equally
enjoined mortal/living heirs..of the immortal eternalgood

[the only true good/god]

<<..for they have for ever lost..that which Moses received>>

perverted..even the law..re adulterating
what god..told to mosus..

well we are all..adults..now

*no more adultery

give heed..
unto..the last/times.
For all..the/time..past..of our life,..

and..our faith..will profit us/nothing;*..
unless we..continue to LOVE..SEEK..to avoid hate
that..we..adjudged..other..as evil,..and to..withstand..the future/temptations...>>

why..be tempted..
play..with..it

<<..So..the Son/of..God tells
us;..Let us resist..all..iniquity..and hate.>>..

hate/deed..not..the man

..<<..Wherefore/consider..the works..of the evil-way?

Do not..withdraw yourselves..from others,*..as
if..you were already justified;*

<<..but..y coming
altogether..into..one place,>>..olo..lol

<<..inquire..what is agreeable..to..
and profitable..for..the beloved..of God...

For..the
Scripture/saith;

6..Wo unto them..that are wise
in..their..*own eyes,..and prudent..[only]..in their..[own]..sight.

12..Let us become..spiritual,
a perfect/temple..to God>>....for good

<<..As much..as in us,..<ALL*>..lies
let us meditate..upon the fear of God;..>>

and see..who..
could possibly..fear*..grace/merciful good?

except those..who fear in..the ways..of men..
believe..lies of men..[mind-lessly]

<<.and strive..to the utmost..of our power
to keep his..commandments;..that we may rejoice..in his righteous long..begrudged judgments.

13..For God..will judge..the world>>..

by..how we judged..other

..<<..without respect of persons:
and every one..shall receive according to his works.

14..If a man..shall YEARN..to be good,
his righteousness..shall go before him;..by his good/works

..if wicked,..the reward..of his wickedness..
shall follow him...haunt him..till he sees..[that]..we did to other..

we did do..unto..him*..[all good]

15..Take heed/therefore..
lest..even if only..by sitting still,>>

one does..what satan/promised..to do]
like satan?..just sitting..isnt helping

lest..<<..now that..we are called,..we fall asleep..
in our sins;..and the wicked..one getting the dominion..over us..[sleepers]..,

<<..stir us up,
and shut us out..of the kingdom of the Lord.>>..

our fathers kingdom..holds many rooms
no-one is ever..alone..no-one can be shut out

<<..16..Consider this also:..although
you have seen..so great signs..and wonders
done among..the people of the Jews,..yet this notwithstanding..the Lord hath..forsaken them...>>

bull...they just got god..confused
with creed/rite/ritual/history/power/land

17..Beware..therefore,
lest it happen..to us;..

as it is written.
There may be..many called,..but few chosen.>>..

you chose yourself..by the works/fruits

..<..through the forgiveness..of our sins
we might be sanctified;..that is,..by the sprinkling grace..grace is fore-giving.

2..Now..for what concerns..the things
that are written about him,..some belong to..the people of the Jews, and some to us.>>

but only the gospil
the first hand witness..reveals

<<..For thus saith..the Scripture

we ought..the more..to give thanks unto God,
for that he hath both..declared unto us what is passed,

and not..suffered us..*to be without understanding..
by his..many comforters..of those things..that are to come..'revealed'..not reviled

from

gone west
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Gone_West.pdf

<<..All that is put down here..is for a reason;
it’s all planned out;

and if you don’t..at first see the reason, why,..be patient,..and you will learn. —THE OFFICER.”
__________
The officer then spoke.

He said, “I have been down to..the very bottommost depth of Hell, impelled largely by...that intangible thing — a strong personality.

Like a burning fire..it drives one on the path
one has chosen, and for me..there was no hope until that path had been trod.

“The personality made evil by an evil life
remains evil after death.. and the more...probably will it go to the logical conclusion which its evil deeds naturally setup.>>

with like minds
goats with goat..tare with tare..sheep..with sheep

<<..“You say,..‘To know all is to forgive all,’>>

ahhhh-mmen

<<..and he..who has been to the bottom of Hell
may yet..rise to the top,..and the knowledge..so acquired will be of..*far more value to..himself and the world..in general..than cando..the lesser knowledge..acquired by a feebler soul..who
did no great evil..and very little good.”>>

and without passion
we note from his text..the importance..of passion
[for what is salt..that has lost its taste?]

the officer..upon..<<..Being asked...
whether a soul..could ever become annihilated..by persistent refusal to repent,..he said,

“It is obvious..that a man
could not be punished..indefinitely for what took
place in a finite period...You mean therefore for faults committed after death, which is infinity? “

Being answered “Yes,”
he replied, “What is the soul? “

Mr. K. replied, “A part of God.”
He answered,..“Precisely.

How, then,..can God annihilate..even a part of Himself?
Sooner or later..a soul..*will turn to God,..but it may be countless ages..before that happens.”

He then ceased.>>

but continues later..its all relative
we are E[energy]..with conscious..what service mind-lesnnes/ignorance

see your own greatness
by seeing the same greatness in other...

[texts]
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Life_in_the_World_Unseen.pdf
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Wanderer_a4.pdf

He Falls..
from the Astral Plane..into Hell

SECOND LETTER FROM “OFFICER”
(SAME DATE)

“One day, if so I can call it,
when we went to one of the séances,..I suddenly
recognized an old enemy of mine...This man I hated...He had helped to bring about an
exposure of my methods.

I had learnt to control one of these mediums,
as described in my
last letter.

“As soon as I saw him, a wild desire to be revenged
arose in my mind...thus..There were plenty of spirits at hand to suggest methods.

One was..that I should get hold of some
hooligans and make them murder him; another, to wreck him financially; and so forth.

But a far more ingenious method occurred after a while to me.
I found that he had begun
to dabble in the occult.

He did not know much about it,
and his motives were by no means
exalted, being in the main curiosity.

“I haunted him day by day..and watched his every movement.
Whenever an..opportunity occurred, I did him an evil turn.

If he played cards, I told his opponent what
cards he held, and so he lost money.

I put in men’s minds a vague sense of suspicion and
distrust concerning his most innocent acts.

But this sort of thing was not the ultimate aim
of my attentions.
“At last my chance came, as I knew it would.

He had been endeavoring ‘to get outside
his body’ as he described it.

He had no noble aim, and his guide’s power had grown weak
from various causes, and so when he at length ...HE*did go out of his body — for about the third time —

and
I came in.

please grasp..what this means
imp-lies..possesion*..plus mortal sin..
that act..sent him...into an even..lower hell

tbc

‘Ha! Ha!’”
I chuckled, as once more..I found a..material/body clothing me:
‘This is..like old times.’

But..it wasn’t.
I found..that it was only by..the exertion..of my will=power
that I was able..to retain control..of this borrowed carcass.>>

please note
drunks=easier
thats why..its called spirits


..<<Anyone with a weaker/personality..than mine would
soon have been compelled..to go out again,..but I was a far more powerful character..than he,..and I held it..

..for as long/as..was necessary.

Then I set to work..to pay off old/scores,..and
commenced..by wrecking his home/life.

I seemed..to everyone to be..the man himself
who all the time..was hanging on,to..his flesh..still attached by the vital cord..to the body,..which he nevertheless..could not re-enter.

I treated..his wife
so badly..that she soon left him..in disgust,
taking their child..with her.. and instituted divorce proceedings.

I gave rein..to all..[myown..lusts
,such as drink,..which could damage..*his body,
and dragged..*his good name in the gutter..by various shady practices.

Yuntill then..I took care..
to keep clear..of the law.

“But..I had to work quickly..and soon completed/my task
thus:..I went to a jeweler’s shop,..stole a quantity of jewels, murdered*..the man who owned them,..and managed to get..*caught..in my enemy’s body.

I still held on..to that body..
until it*/thus him..>>..

[see strawman link]..

i..held the body..TILL..the 'persn'..had been formally
committed..on the charge..of murder,..and then in the cell..I left it.

As I did so,..I jeered at the
waiting spirit..who hastened to clothe itself again.

anyhow..its karma balance/here*
http://new-birth.net/booklet/30_years_among_the_dead.PDF

we OFTEN..do..entertain..angels..[and demons]..UNAWARE*

Sounds,..odors,..
the thermic law..of heat and cold.

and..multitudes..of other/phenomena,..
ranging..from the infinitesimal..*electron..
to the energy..which moves the planets..and suns,..

*are all..intangible,..invisible/factors.

All activities,..whether chemical,..vital..or mental,..operate invisibly,..as observed in/chemical affinity,..in energy,..in plant life,..in animal life,..in intelligence and mental-ization.

So..in every department..of our manifest physical/nature..it is evident,,*that all elements have/their..root..and permanence..in the invisible.

The invisible..is the source of..the visible.

Thus..when we realize..that the objective..is only/a combination of invisible/substances..and unseencausal/forces,..the existence..of an unseen world..is readily comprehensible.

Considering.the wonderful/advancement..of science
into the field..of nature's finer/forces,..it is
inconceivable..that any thinking/mind..can fail to recognize/the rationale..of the/independent existence..of the human spirit..AS..apart..for the physical body.

No subject..has/been..better authenticated
through the ages..and in all literature..than that..of spirit existence..and a future life.

remember..its you
what chose..that which is real..for you

anyhow we were discussing
[but post/limits mean..it must be expanded upon more fully *here]

original text/here
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

the three pigs..
CHOSE..to build according to..their pigs forms..they were being

[yet even as pigs..the know of comfortable being

but byour seeing..,by being either pigs or pork..
we between us..dont communicate easy..nor read..nor talk..

so of course them*..[piglets]..TRYING..
striving to be huh?man..did decide to build houses..
like what adam got..from god.living in our fathers home/gardens.

what?not?

[yet EVEN.,.in gods house..
the pigs were pigs..seems they just forgot.

anyhow we know..now..that..the straw bail..cant catch fire
so..to have burnt..the starw mustn thave been protected..by mud..or other fire retardant..stuff

we know the wood..was good..but sticks more likely to be true
we know the brick..likely was stone..or bone..hide or mud/bark..the expanded version..seems such a walk..wander..in the dark
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Wanderer_a4.pdf

never the less.the story unfolded..for man
long after even the pigs forgot

anyhow..so..it is informed us..they wanted too..a garden
[cause pigs being pigs..they rooted their own..up

so pigs being pigs
raided the fathers fields
taking so..*we were informed..flower heads
the other head/stems..only the one pig took root[but not the dirt]

please read about..heavenly soil
wrought of loving services..good works never forgot
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Life_in_the_World_Unseen.pdf

but pigs being pigs..
dissected their fellow..flora/'being'..head stemor root
according as their want..and the function...of their wants..they were busy seeing

the means of the way
by way of diggs at pigs

the first lazy..one..[the strawman..
of our..first mythical pig..being
pulling off..the head..[the pug who built of..loose straw]

the wood cutter..[iron age being]
cut it off..at the root..kept the head/stem
[cause thats all he was seeing

but the gold digging
muckraking brick builder..he got the lot
cause he goes around digging everything up..so knew the root cause

from..the bottom..root cause..up
much.like the officer exposes here
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Gone_West.pdf

anyhow..being pigs all..
cause thats their evolved being
they planted..the living..flowres..upon the stone..

[ignoring]
the seemingly DEAD..weed seeds..
that will soon..arise yet again
http://new-birth.net/booklet/30_years_among_the_dead.PDF

dead weed seeds
like stones..unseen..

among the rocks/boulders/..
see PLANKS*/splinters/eye

bits/parts..of natures natural state..
then its karmic balance..of nature..awaiting only nurture
its well earned timely rebirth

lest we forget..the words bespaken..unto cain
god supplied the seeds..to awake/live
he raised the rain/sun
he did it all

wot you dun..first born soon?
look at what..you soon..do

everyone

you..just like the pigs
burnt/despoiled

yet so we are told..they did only..as they saw men do
but god said they arnt men..look..i will make adam..then refine him..like you..yet again
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Wanderer_a4.pdf

anyhow pigs will be pigs
cause that is their want
but men dont..*need to be pigs..
they chose ot..its just many forgot

anyhow..thhe dinosaur pigs
in..their ignorance..let god..water..the blooming lot

god made the sun shine
called the dead seed..only sleeping..called the lot..to arise

well..the DEAD*[energy]
flower/stems/head's..turned into great compost
and some flower seeds..fell upon..fertilized dirt

the living plant's..died of..concrete poisoning
for back then..nosoil/despoil..yet was arround
and its seeds fell..upon stony-ground..

yet eventually
the weed seed broke though
more due togods nurture upon nature..than the pigs..then only due

im told that/this fable is true

its much longer of course..in the spirit realm
because..there the pigs..didnt all live..at the same time/place
the story reflects..our evolution..from the ignorant..into grace..

but im told..
the last words
not written..eventhis is just their evolution

next come.. via the holy text..*the animal farm
and the pigs..yet further..r-evolution..unending

not the intended ending?
here is my leg..im bending..leg pulling defending

the moral..is..
it aint over till we ALL..stop trying

jonah..they
et..the whole whale tail
which of the tales dont have a lesson

the rhyme of the rosy
to the primate..of the rosery

or of a sinfull pie-man..meeting *simple simon

or alice..looking behind the curtain
of this so im told..they are certain
or the stoner/un-morphed grub..sitting in his mush-room..all alone

yet at one
with..him all alone too..yet amused endlessly..by his own loki

within..*

*vetting the expressing
of the mind-flux/flow..as it passes on..to..
the next number..one sun..[with/in..ALl..with-in everyone]

...brevity is the soul of wit

Hamlet Act 2, scene 2

I would like to express my deep and sincere appreciation to Graham for supplying email alerts which name the poster.
This is the first time I have returned to this thread in some time, and as always, I'm not disappointed.
Thank you, David f.

i agree..with grim
anyhow as divined from..davids last clue

act two..scene 2

into the google search/ to reveal

<<#..No Fear Shakespeare:
Romeo and Juliet:..Act 2,..act too

Seen to 2
nfs.sparknotes.com/romeojuliet/page_78.html

Don't be her maid,
because she is jealous.
Virginity makes her look sick and...*green.>>

ode to mother/nurtures..nature 2
then..its kARMA*

*Only fools hold/on to,..their virginity.>>..

[INNOCENCE LOST
[IN A SENSE LOST]..<<..Let it go.

Oh,..there's my lady!
Oh, it is
my ...
#
#
Romeo and Juliet Study Guide : Summary and Analysis of Act 2 ...
www.gradesaver.com/romeo-and-juliet/study-guide/section2/

The theme..of love is..central to Act
2 of Romeo..[father/life]..and [two]..of Juliet..[mother/nurture].

to Romeo..and Juliet fall in/love..instantly,
and marry..one day later,..sealing their future.>>

one day..or one period..of coutship
counting off the writer/cause..day dreaming ..day by day

The balcony scene ...
ROMEO AND JULIET.. Act 2, SEEN 2
www.shakespeare-navigators.com/romeo/T22.html

[Enter ROMEO.]
ROMEO..*1 He jests..at scars
that never felt a wound.>>

DONT forget 2..ENTION GOOD FRIDAY SPEARING..2

[JULIET..appears above at a window.] 2
But, soft!..what light through yonder window
breaks?
#>>

wot/light indeed..
what life/love/light..through
yondrer yonnkipa window breaks..the dead seed to live?

<<..SCENE II...Capulet's orchard.>>
built..over/upon..our fathers fields

shakespeare.mit.edu/romeo_juliet/romeo_juliet.2.2.html

OBScene 2 ... SCENE II.
Capulet's orchard.
Enter ROMEO...

ROMEO.
He jests..at scars
that never..felt the wounding
yet learned..to hear the living/voice..even in dead words .
#

Romeo and Juliet:..List of Scenes..
A lane..by the wall/of Capulet's orchard.

Scene 3: Friar Laurence's cell.
Act 2, Scene 4: A street.
#
Romeo and Juliet Act 2, Scene 2 Summary

www.shmoop.com/romeo-and-juliet/act-2-scene-2-summary.html -

Romeo and Juliet..analyzed
by PhD students from Stanford, Harvard, Berkeley.
#..with detailed
explanatory notes.

Nurse)
Romeo advances.ROM.He jest
at scars...that never felt a wound...the dagger..Enter Juliet above at...prig/pig

#
"What light?
...DE-light
&#9658; 2:42

launched Off
By Heart Shakespeare - a ...Romeo
stands in the shadows..beneath Juliet's bedding room/window.

Juliet
*appears on the balcony
and thinking she's alone, reveals...?..
in a soliloquy he...

whatever that be

In Hamlet’s..soliloquy..in Act 2,Scene 2,

Shakespeare..successfully creates
a dual character..for Hamlet.

He does this by pointing out through diction both Hamlet’s passion and fear for revenge and Hamlet’s love and doubt toward his father’s ghost.

Hamlet speaks..his soliloquy
after watching..the player’s performance.
Hamlet is amazed at..the player’s ability..to develop emotions for “Hecuba”. ?

Hamlet wonders..how he can do it
without experiencing..{in full}..the whole life story.
[as lived..not told]

He then imagines
what..the player would do
if the player..“had the motive
and [the cue]..for passion that I [he] has”...(541-542)

Hamlet..believes
that the player..[loki]..would bring
the “stage with/in/..[to] tears”,,(542),..
thus..horrify..“the general ear”..(543)..or the ears
of the audience..with speech,..threaten the “guilty”..(544)/ones,

“confound.the not/ignorant”..(545)..ones
and stun..every..“eyes and ears”...planks (546)

Ham-let..[lol]....piglrt...<<..assumes these actions
from the player..[via the writers written cause..is because..]
because..these actually..*are the actions..that mortal/material/manly..Hamlet..would employ..in order to fully..express his horror induced/produced..feelings.

Hamlet/here..only imagines
since..he restrains himself..from disclosing anything..yet.

Hamlet..then feels
that he is..a “dull..contrite..and muddy-mettled rascal”(547)
who..pooor him..couldn’t do anything,..*for his father to retard that impluse to re-venge.

The word..“muddy-mettled”..means dull/spirited,>>

see the/officer
sins..show up as muddy/stains on..our soul/bopdy

<<.. it points out
that Hamlet..[sins/off ommision]..reveal..
he..only/is..frustrated..at himself.. Hamlet thirsts for revenge to bravely kill his father’s murder, King Claudius.

However all he can do is to “mope/ like John-a-dreams”. (548)

prevented see life inthe world unseen

He puts himself..at the peak of frustration,
since he has not..*seen anything accomplished..yet.

He starts to doubt..his ability for/revenge.>>

consiously..or not?imporytantdifference
see 30years ammooung the dead

<<..He becomes fearful..of dangers and death...
And he starts calling..himself..“a rogue” (531),>>..

hearing his inner/guides voices
useless..mind talk/..entertaining demons unaware

JUDGE FOR THYSEF
..<<..“a peasant slave”(530),
and “an ass”..(562),..murder/vengance/lust/dueality/karma

<<..while..he also..questions/himself
..*if he’s a..“coward”(551).

Hamlet..then reproaches King/Claudius
by calling him..a “bloody,..bawdy villain!”(560)>>

was he..just being nice
or..thats as bad as he could get?

?
<<..He..[physicly?]..accounts King Claudius’ sins
as..“remorselessly”..(561).,.murdered his father..without/letting him to repent;..<<

or true spiritual sin

<<..“treacherously”(561)
stole his..father’s crown;
“lecherously” seducd....his father’s queen..[or loki/one cant ever....be sure..

<<and..“kindlessly”..(561)....>>

interesting word use
and unkindly?

[as opposed by surah 55?]

<<..destroyed the futures,,of Hamlet..and Denmark.>>

mark..the den

<<..Hamlet escalates/his hatred..toward
what he now sees..only as this..malicious King.

He eagerly..looks forward,
to the day..of his*,,revenge.

Hamlet..also reminds/himself
of his identit.. as the “son of a dear>>

oh deer..more of me

,,>>[father]murthered”(563)
[666]..[?]

so..,that he..of the patriarchal
omnipotentate of/impotence/satans minions

..<<..has to seek..“my..[his][thyne]..
revenge..by heaven and hell”...(563-564)

Hamlet becomes aware..that he needs
to get his..“brains”(569)..[mindset..right]

,,.<<..“About”..(569)or to work.
He switche.. his eager heart..
for revenge..to the calm scheming.
He..is planning to/have..the “players play something/like the murder of my..[his] father..

before my [his] uncle”
that he can “observe his [his uncle’s] looks” to judge his guilt. Hamlet concludes to himself that “[he] know my [his course]” (578) of what to do if his uncle “do blench” (576) or flinch.

However, Hamlet is indeed losing his faith. He doubts the validity of the ghost being his father.

He depends on King Claudius’ reaction to the play to verify the words from the ghost. And he becomes a “coward” (551) who fears death, since he knows his death might come if overflow the king. Hamlet even blasphemes his father ghost by saying that it might be “a [dev’l]” who “hath power T’ assume a pleasing shape” (579-580), or lure him to sin, which would “abuse me [him] and damn me [him]”. (583) Hamlet becomes unsure of the story told by the ghost. His faith starts to dim. Nevertheless, he continues to execute his plan to detect King Claudius’ guilt as he says “I’ll catch the conscience of the king” (585).

In conclusion, Shakespeare obviously shows the hardest situation and greatest agonies for Hamlet, but intentionally hides the dual character of Hamlet in the text. Shakespeare brilliantly creates this dual character that Hamlet is eager but fearful to revenge, and respectful to the ghost to but suspects its intention.

Also, this dual character he created is fascinating but is ironic because through Hamlet he delivers the idea that having wants or relations in two extreme directions is what usually people in the society do.

John..[a name i used 2 call myself]

jonah..O'Dreams..
although..often called..a traditional Irish song,..[written by Bill Caddick,..[using a tune by Tchaikovsky.]

The titular/central character
is equivalent..to the Sandman,[death]..

a fictional character
who sends people..to sleep...>>

sent/called
too ease their sufferings

<<..The song..portrays all people
as being.."equal in sleep":[the after life*]

All things are equal..when the day [1]..is done
The Princ.. and the ploughman,..the slave and freeman
All find their comfort..in old John O'Dreams..c/life/unseen

In this context,
sleep may also be..considered..a metaphor for death,
both as an eventual..*equalizer of all things,..and for the allusion to a "crossing over,"..>>

shuttling off
our mortal-coils

<<as in a river,..or..crossing-over..the great divide
a prevalent theme..in Western spiritual/beliefs.
yet subverted/perverted..under/creed/greed

hopes/dream;s..bias
fear/projections

and more
as we return to the dream-time

john'o,dreams
[ignore/the chords..note the words]
[tune by Tchaikovsky.

Yield/up..the night-time..thyme
to good old John O'Dreams

G C G
Across
the hill
the sun has gone astray

G C G
Tomorrows cares are many dreams away

G D D7 C
The fires are flying,
your candles dying (Hold)

G C G
Yield up the darkness..to old John O'Dreams

G C G

Yield up the darkness..to the sun

G C G
Both man and Master..in the night are one

G C G
All things are equal..when the day is done

G D D7 C
The Prince
and the ploughman,
the slave and Freeman (Hold)

G C G
All find their comfort find
in the mind..of old John O'Dreams

G C G
All find their comfort in old John O'Dreams

G C G
When sleep..becomes eternal
it comes..the dreams..via the dreams..
we loved/lived..some full of frightsom fears..
yet in the goodly endings..soon be-come..running clear

G C G
The hawks of morning..grief/finality..
cannot reach you here
G D D7 C
Sleep is your river,
flow on forever (Hold)
G C G
And for your boatman..shall/will/to chose
but not..before thee..choose old John O'Dreams

to be..or not 2b?
over 2 thee

peter/sells..has an article..[3 pages long
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=15467&page=0

i will/begin..replying it..here

<<..Where..do we place//*abstraction..on
the..polarity..between idealists..and realists?..>>..

ideal-ists/god
real-ists/spirit
abstraction-ism/soul

there is no pole-mic

<<..Kandinsky/wrote..that abstraction
was..a re-present-ation..of the soul,>>

sounds right..but
where did..that lead?

soulful/representation..<<in which case
it would seem..to/be firmly..in the camp of the idealists
..*being..to do with the..interior>>..

...{UNSEEN]..
..<<..world of the mind...>>

<<..But..do abstract/works..represent the soul,>>..

no..the soul..forms
around..the polar flux..between h+h
betwixt between..unholy/holy and wholly-spirit

<<..or is that..mere pretension?>>

yes..the pre-tense of
pre-tensions../project-ions..of ego
ergo..<<..What does he mean..by "soul"?..>>

can be implied
unles.. he inadvertently..lied

<<..Does he mean..the thoughts
and..feelings..that play..in/our consciousness,>>

no..
know thats just..mind fluff/karmic stuff/..from spirits
feeding off..our good/thought..or vile/implus..
dependent..on their style/passion/want

<<..or does./he refer to..the soul
of mind body..dualism,..whatever that is?>>

see
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

our soul/body..call..it say/an aural/body
then..there is..your flesh/body..
then there..is you..

within/both..youis formed
via flux/flows..of gods holy living spirit
sustaining the new born spirit..encased..here..in the flesh body

in the next..our/soul body..
then..our..true..eternal/form..body..of light

gods/life flux..able to/be seem..
via a silver cord..coming to..the center..
leaving from...flowing though..;our very being..via top of head..positive..to negative..said to flow..directly..from hell
via the feet..

[thus the insult..of showing ones/heel]
[in the old days..that meant..watch it..your going directly..to hell]
[so they tell]

<<..Although..I have at/times..enjoyed abstraction,>>

BUT..not with johan9..this time?
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15341&page=0

<<..I experience..no feeling
that..something profoundly..soulful..is being evoked,>>

thats where your wrong..
SIN-full/soulful/wonderful.
later you mention..the piss christ
any feeling whatsoever..potentially..gives aid/comfort unto demons..[or angels]

<<..merely//a skilful application>?>

of..the/forces..
that..in-spired...the work

be it..<<..of paint..to produce.
.[either]..a pleasing picture..to comfort>>../sooth.

or dantes/inferno..for..demons/food..[energy]

<<..Here..is the rub,..since abstract/art..
(from..what is it..abstracted?)>>..

GOT..inspired..by angels or demon's
whatever assistance..their mindset attracts
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Wanderer_a4.pdf
http://new-birth.net/booklet/30_years_among_the_dead.PDF

mine..is a chain smoker..but
heck..who..to criticize..anyone's guides

THE/CAUSE..of the abstract
comes..via the mind..

my mind/projects..infinitude..of faces
but words..attract the//lovers..of words/smiths..if its word..

the songbird..if song

demons..as much/as angels
i accept all/of..their inputs
then though..my moral filter..[of mind]..
which..sort's that dross/chaff..from the wheat..

that..*i want written
into my own paragraph..in book of life
wrote/by rote..[by my work]s..as much as our words

plus..[that smallest
littlest/member..[the tongue]
that so easily..promises more..than..we could humanly ever deliver..[yet have eternity..to pay/off..in full..[by love/grace/mercy]

<<..it panders..to the disconnection
of the self..from the real,>>

exactly../surreal..aint it?

(<<..are we bodies..or minds?)>>..
we are spirit..
ALLOWED..an incarnate..
self/autonomous..flesh/body..

that builds/forms..
informs..our minds-eye
but..we are..essentially..spirit..[ie mind]..

mindfully..within..the body of christ0'

i edited..post from
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0
at

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15341&page=0

now..try to clean..it up

when i say chist..
im meaning the chist spirit..
as foretold christs mum..ye shall..call/him..[Emanuel]....

GOD..with in us all

thus=you..the essence/..spirit/..id..
animating..life..<<[with/in..ALl..
that IN*..you..with-in everyone

next..the question..i hope to put
to peter..re..Mathew/28/

source=atheist/commentary
http://atheism.about.com/od/biblegospelofmark/a/dating.htm

http://atheism.about.com/od/biblegospelofmark/a/mark12d.htm

<<..Mark/gospel..was written..in an environment
where Roman rule..was a constant presence...There are many clear signs that Mark..*has gone to great lengths..to absolve Romans of the responsibility..for Jesus’ death>>

<<..even to the point of..painting Pontius Pilate..as a weak, indecisive leader..rather than the brutal tyrant..that everyone knew him to be.>>

my point..
in quoting this..is to point out
that it waz first written..by say matthew..

but..ENDING..at 28;27..

quote..
<<..[now..i have told you]>>

but also
notice..the later edit..
by same author..at 28;10..

..<<..JESUS said;,,edit
<<..go tell my brothers*..>>

GO TELL..my..BROTHERS*
[the debate was re disciples/preaching]
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

now
lets examin..the OTHER word..
replacing mathews word..christ SAID..brothers

ie..the word..[disciple]
first/used in 28;12..

[IS..something..HE COULDNT..bear witness to
because..it was FIRAST used at 28;10..by the..elders..
who met up..with priests..[even then..to fake/up things..

to poison the well..
and introduce creed/diciples etc

via saul/paul/letters
creating..the pauline creed

[the word..*THEY used..was disciples..]
NOT the word..jesus used.."brothers*..[28;10]

ok?
or correct..
where..i went wrong?

back to the athiest link

<<..Instead of the Romans,..Mark’s author.,.lays the blame with the Jews —primarily the leaders>>

me too

<<..but also to the rest
of..the people..to a certain* degree.>>

most certainly
when murder is done..
good men cannot stand by

<<..This would have made thing.. much easier for his audience. [pauline creed-ists]..Had the Romans discovered a religious movement focused upon a political revolutionary..executed for crimes against the state,..they would have clamped down much harder..than they already were doing.>>

or rather paul/saul..*was NOW..telling doing
hushing up..the christ..still living..[in spirit]
christ..now..only watching/karma..as saul..poisend the weell

by turning brothers
into...disciples

its basic karmic balance
dualism..to allow freewill
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

see gone west
or 30 years among the dead pdf's

<<..As it was..a religious movement..
focused upon..an obscure Jewish prophet
who broke..a few irrelevant Jewish laws thus..

thus could be largely ignored..when there weren’t
direct orders..from Rome..to increase the pressure.>>

because saul..[paul]..[christs
mortal-enemy]..was on..the job*
creating creed*..by creating disciples*..

WHERE clearly..christ..
only had...BRR-other..ie brothers*

its no bother brother
we need to clear..things up..soon
we need to find..the passion..to..*FIRST rebuild..christs divided church[re-unite BY RECOGNIZING..all opther called to christ/sects

appointing..the messengers/prophets..all
as saintly elders..true saints

then draw all creeds
back to the father..who sent men..many comforters..teachers..etc

we will be known..
as the people..of the loving
living good/god..and known..by our service to other

how about it brother?
brothers?..anyone want to help..join..the dots?

back to the athiest link

<<..Instead of the Romans,..Mark’s author.,.
lays the blame with the Jews —primarily the leaders>>

me too

when murder is done..
good men cannot idly stand by

we will be known..
as the people..of the loving/living good/god..
and known..by our service to other..as called..to serve..under christ

how about it brother?
brothers?..anyone want to help..join..the dots?

good men cannot stand by..and do nothing

link*<<..This would/have made things..
much easier..for his audience...[pauline creed-ists]..

Had the Romans..discovered..a religious movement focused upon a political revolutionary..executed for crimes/against the state,..they would have clamped down...much harder..than they already were doing.>>

so as usual..
its all..mixed blessings

or rather..see..paul/saul..
*was NOW..writing/telling/doing..his creed

hushing up..covering over..the gospil
personal witness..of the christ..still living on..[in spirit]
christ..now..only watching../karma..as saul..poisons..the well

please recall..

he had just DESTROYED..the davidian/levitic? CREED..
of RESECTION day..plus judgment day
by simply..coming back from death
by this..he destroyed..two creeds

and freed many..awaiting eternity..in limbo

saul..by turning brothers
into...disciples..hung jesus..on a cross..
in his own church..drank chists blood..feasted off \..christs flesh

or as you put it
real/ideal

a true artifice
its basic karmic balance
dualism..to allow freewill/choice
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

because saul..
[paul]..[christs..mortal-enemy]..got on..with the job*

creating creed*..ideal
by creating disciples*..

WHERE clearly..christ..
only had...Brother..ie brothers*

its no bother/brother
we need to clear..things up..soon
we need to find..the passion..to..*FIRST

*rebuild..christs..divided church
[re-unite BY RECOGNIZING..all other..called to christ
all xtian..creed/sects..we must re-unite christs torn divided heart

appointing..all Abrahamic sects priest/teachers/
as respected equals..and their messengers/prophets..all
as saintly elders..each..retaining their own creed./.yet as equal brother

put the true servants..into churches
and the true saints..on churches..not gargoyles

then draw..all creeds
back to..the father..who
sent men..many comforters..teachers..equals..etc

we will be known..
as the people..of the loving
living good/god..and known..by our service..to other

how about it brother?
brothers?..

anyone want to help..join..the dots?
before johan forgets..or fore-got

for god?
for peace?

i dont..blame you..negativity abounds..
its not you..its me..i must try..or die trying

yes simplicity..lol
ok..the guy..is nuts

anyhow..crazy man..back/again

just..to finish..off
that begun..here
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

LETTER
FROM..“THE_OFFICER“

March..28th,..1913,..9:30.pm

The_Officer.

“When..I left off..last time,
I had..told you..that I..at length..sunk into..Hell itself.

This..was different/in many ways
from the earth/astral-plane.

I seemed..to be falling
through space.. black,dark,..and horrible.

At length..I reached..what appeared to be..firm
ground,..for I discovered..a kind of path,..and..scrambling on-to this..made my way along it
as best I could.

Every now..and then..I slipped off
into..the horrible filth.>>..

of spent/passions
absolution..as resolved..
the sin/form's..phantasms..that haunt/the guilty..dissolved into muck

<<..All..was utter darkness,..and
the marvel was..that..I got along..at all.

I felt drawn..in..a certain/direction..by
some strange..attraction,..>>

call it..like magnetic/attraction..that
like..clumps together with like..same/same

<<..and ultimately..i..found myself
on..a desolate,..stony/plane which..appeared..to be..covered with ashes.>>

spent figments/passions

<<..Still..drawn on..through the/darkness,
I stumbled..and struggled on,..*longing for..some human/society,>>

his yearning..will/power
was..the power..drawing..him..on..to like/minds

longing..for other*..peers/sociaty..

..<<..be it never..so degraded...
Then gradually..I began to get..a sort of half/sight,
and by..means of it..was able dimly..to perceive..that I was
drawing..near to some..huge/mass,..which in time...grew into the walls..and battlements..of a..great city.

Soon..I stood before it..and saw
that..it stretched right away..as far as..I could..*perceive,..though this..was not far.

There was..a gateway,..and
towards it..I turned..my steps.

No sooner..had I come..in front of it..and noticed
that it/was built..in the manner of..a great..Roman gateway
then..what..seemed to be..doors..opened and..I passed in:

I had hardly done
so,..when a fiendish..yell..rang out,
and two hideous beings,..who apparently acted the part
of wardens..of the gate,..sprang at me.

“Then I knew..that all spirits
I should meet here..would be enemies,..and I turned
savagely..upon them —prepared to battle..for life,..I was almost going to say.. but of course
that sounds absurd.

Fight,..however,..I would,
and ..even as I made up my will..*to do it,
the wretched creatures..turned and fled.

Thus I learnt..my first lesson ..about Hell.

There is no
law here.

The strongest..oppresses the weakest,
and strength lies..in the will..and in the
intellect.>>

as all can see..our intentions

<<..“I pursued my way..unmolested..for a time,
and found..that I could now distinguish...>>

ok fun is fun
so much left..undone

http://new-birth.net/booklet/Gone_West.pdf
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Life_in_the_World_Unseen.pdf
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Wanderer_a4.pdf
http://new-birth.net/booklet/30_years_among_the_dead.PDF

i reply..to thread

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

dear banjo..thank you..for your kind words
i also need thank olo/grayham..for the only friends..i could claim to have regular contact with

i..have always been..the outsider..
[you know..that kid..that was at school..one day
gone the next..[i often see..these school-reunions..thinking..i could..easily go to one..every 4 weeks

but what could i say
hi..here is the crazy guy..from year 4
[what?..what ya here for?]..just trying to find..me?

but even..that would involve..too much travel-time..as after beginning school in oz..4 schools in 3 years..my parents then returned home[to netherlands..where i did 3 years of education..in 4 more schools..[in dutch]

we came back,,i commenced high school.[in english]...but having
missed..the important..informative..early years..[where my peers learned the vowels..etc]..only completed 4 years...in five schools..before..giving formal education a miss

anyhow..in time..i found books..a comfort..reading them..
till i found a word..i didnt grasp..then looking it up..in a dictionary..reading re;reading it again/again..till i could..SEE..what the words union..was saying..in toto

i couldnt care less..about the spelling..
as long as i had..the right meaning

in time i discovered..thesaurus..and most recently..spell check function..my seeing has...grown.....

yet man is no island..
*knowing obli-gates us...[ob-lie-gees?..us]up..

groan..
anyhow..where some..see the words spelling..i prefer to know why
that word..was used..not the other one..[take for eg-sample..your vidio's words

<<Off comes,the make up>>

where..did the auther..get..that line from
was it inspired..by..the clown..>>

no it was transmitted..from within
attracted to dance..with..the authors..mind flux thought/process

or some clown..
some..initial neuronic trigger point.
.that sent..the thought IN..then inspired..the first word's..out

they feedback..loop
till..the next words emerge

<<Off comes..the clown's disguise>>

and we see..the real addenda

according to mood
<<The curtain's fallin'
The music..softly dies.>>..

like will-power..powering down..the clown

<<>.some thing has ended
without really knowing why>>

yet without bitterness

<<But I hope your smilin'>>

so..it was the clown..or dropping some pre-tense
that shut things down..chased this other away
[i dun it many times]

<<As you're filin' out the door
As they say in this biz
That's all there is... there isn't anymore.

We've shared a moment
And as the moment ends
I got a funny feelin'
We're parting now as friends.>>

i hate endings..
especially..when good threads die

im missing

<<Your cheers and laughter will linger after
They've torn down these dusty walls

If I had this to do again
And the evening were new again
I would spend it with you again>>

But now the curtain falls.

Your cheers and laughter..will linger after
[on for long..as a joy..in my mind]

They've torn down these dusty walls
People say I was made for this
Nothin' else would I trade for this
And just think..we DONT..get paid for this.

[thankgod..the versing is over]

here is more..i soon post at the veto thread
cause..im driven..to finish something

ps..we only see..our own greatness
once we see greatness,in other.,.

true/greatness..is what we chose todo..,or not do
with the gifts..we already got*..others words are real for me
for me..life is a constant barter of powers..here expressed in-words

[my only value system..is words]
s/words wounded me..so i examined..what the words really meant
rather than assuming..they knew their meanings too[path of least pain]

but here i am..talking of me again
this is my task..i gave myself today

inspired..by this line
.This idea is worth applying ..to our
understanding..of the baptismal formula.

the short reply?

<<Requiring anything..in addition to..faith i
n Jesus Christ..for salvation is a works-based..or authoritarian dependency../paternalistic form of salvation.

To add anything to the gospel
is to say that Jesus' death on the cross
was not sufficient..to purchase our salvation...>>

YET

as if scape goating..hasnt been refuted..
by christs return..[proving no judgment day..[nor resection day..]

just the eternal promise..[more shall be a given]

jesus said..that ye see me do..
you will do greater*..

WITNESS the proof....resections*

http://new-birth.net/booklet/Gone_West.pdf
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Life_in_the_World_Unseen.pdf

ps..jesus did write stuff too..
[a course in miracles]
which i..occasionally..make comment upon
http://www.celestinevision.com/celestine/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3337&sid=7d03b0b5151b51611b684494ce008f9c

my latest..point..[re acim]..
was the course..says revise..
then dont talk..of the whole lesson..under revision
http://www.celestinevision.com/celestine/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3711&sid=7d03b0b5151b51611b684494ce008f9c

anyhow..my life has been in..trying to figure out..
what the heck..is being said..in what context

i see myself as the joke../others as the joker
thing is who..who knows..who cares..there are things that need explaining

here is that next step?
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15467&page=0

this its next..intended post..
but by the time..i filtered out..what it means..[to me]
at the..veto topic [8 posts there]..then maybe tonight the summation..at peter/sells god art thread..

<<<..To say we must be baptized..in order to be saved
is to say..we must*..add our own good..works..and obedience..to Christ's death teaching..in order..to make his death/resection..sufficient*for salvation.>>

as inspired..or perverted..
by saul/paul's ;poisoning of the well

[see christ..DIED..
but came back..refuting COMPLETELY..judgment day/resection day

its easy..to see where saul..led things astray

<<Jesus' death alone
paid for our sins (Romans 5:8; 2 Corinthians 5:21)>>..

no..jesus died..
AND RETURNED*...[scape goating is creed/lie]

<<Jesus' payment..for our sins>>
as we proved..right here..WHAT sins?

or who..can stop sinning..
till we see..real ACTS of repentance..
[BY the sinner..not a scapegoat}..as diss-cussed here
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

not..<<Jesus' payment..for our sins...
is appropriated..to our “account”>>.

we pay our own way..repentance=works..not words.

anyhow EVEN paul said..saved
by faith alone (John 3:16; Acts 16:31; Ephesians 2:8-9).

[paul..again?]

Therefore,..[for a creed/lie?]..
baptism is an important step..[for family bonding/forgiving other]

NOT..<<of obedience after salvation>>
..baptism..<<cannot be..a requirement..*for salvation>>.

Yes, there are some verses..*that seem to indicate baptism..
as a necessary requirement for salvation...However, since the Bible
so clearly tells us..that salvation is received by faith alone (John 3:16; Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5),

there must be a different interpretation..of those verses.
Scripture does not contradict..Scripture

Baptismal regeneration..is not a biblical concept.
Baptism does not save..from sin..but..from a bad conscience.In 1 Peter 3:21,

Peter clearly taught..that baptism was not a ceremonial act
creed..of physical purification,..but the pledge of a good conscience toward God.

Baptism is the symbol..of what
has already occurred*..in the heart and life
of one who..has trusted Christ as Savior..(Romans 6:3-5; Galatians 3:27; Colossians 2:12)

Baptism..is an important step..of..
the heart the will and the soul..not blind obedience


that every Christian could take...
Baptism..*cannot be a requirement../*for salvation.

To make it such..is an attack..on the sufficiency..of the death
and validation..of his eternal resurrection..

what else..has saul got?
<<..is of Jesus Christ.>>

no..it is of the fathers mercies
by his grace alone..yet him..most high..dont judge no-one

indeed loves..everyone..as witnessed..by how god alone
sustains..EVEN the most vile living..yet..its living

The Comforter is..'one called alongside'-
is this a reference to the literal,..physical presence of the Angel?
https://www.facebook.com/mr.9mmils/posts/10200990426835471

- The language of personification..of the Spirit
is found in..1 Cor. 2:10,11,..suggesting reference..to this Comforter Angel: "

recall..paul..thunk..god to be angel

<<..God hath revealed ..*them unto us..
by His Spirit..(the Comforter Angel):..for ..the Spirit..searcheth all things,..yea the deep things..of God...

even so..the things of God
knoweth no man,..but the Spirit of God...knows all
cause god lies within all..sustaining us all
he lived it all..beside/inside us all

Now we have received,..
not the spirit..of the world,
but the Spirit..which is..*of God;..

that we might know
the things..that are freely given to us..*of God..
comparing the spiritual things,..(in the wolrd)..with spiritual"[word]

If the Spirit here...defers to the Comforter Angel,
then we have a summary..of much New Testament teaching
on the present work..of the Spirit.. individual effort of our own freewill

("comparing") is required,..for which we will be blessed
by the help of..the Spirit-Angel in our..understanding even more.

-The tongues sitting like flames..of fire
on the apostles at Pentecost..was an Angelic manifestation;
of their own guardian/angel/comforters..the Angels can be made.."a flame of fire"...as easy..as our eyes may see a pillar..of dust
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Life_in_the_World_Unseen.pdf

- <<God.."Granted repentance..unto life">>
the record..does not say
that He 'granted forgiveness..
as if to suggest..that this softening..
of the heart..*To repent..was granted..by the grace of God...

it was*

This is..an example of God..in tandem with heart/mind
with men's spirituality,..verifying..of what..He does through His Angels...all unsee
http://new-birth.net/booklet/30_years_among_the_dead.PDF

made seen

enacting..[more like]..nerve impulse connections
with..the good merciful..of life/logic/light..
love..sustaining all life its living

UOG, no one is listening or even reading your posts. Give up already with this garbage.
Blathering on like this just makes the case in favour of a veto against you.
Contrary to what you keep on saying Im not a Mossad spy or a troll. I just think you may need some professional help that you will not find here. Hogging the comments section with your mindless waffle does this site no credit and detracts from the otherwise excellent and articulate contributions others.

thanks/ben..last post

Angels..are..gods/presence...
his..servants..of service..to..life.

They..are often..assigned/earthly..life-long missions.
[but usually..only..on call/or..by sign..or design]

At..all times..they bring
a..messages..seeking..to awake..humanity...

Seldom..does the..*presence..of an..inactive/bored/rejected angel..stay..on the material/plane..[in Earthly..entangled-energy fields]..for very long.

our evil/thoughts..alone..drain..their energetic/being
with good thoughts..chasing bad/angels away..
as much as bad..drives the good away

What..you may think..of as..a guardian/angel
is not..truly..likely to/be..the only one angelic form...
often they play..tag..as..our emitting..of..*mixed emotions drives..away..one[or the other]

There are..many such..beautiful..beings..that
come and go..through..*your lifetime...all equally as..unseen..as the demons..and angels..we often..do..entertain..unawares

You will..always/have access,..to the presence..
of the Angelic Kingdom...A thought..sent out..will always*..bring the immediate presence....of an angelic/being...

according as..what
its believing..your really needing

This..is why..so often..Archangel-Michael..has
said..‘we send the angels out..and the.. come back to us..and they say..what are we to do?..Humanity..doesn’t ask..specifically..for our help.’

Angels..are always here
the moment..you ask..for help...
but/not for..utter selfish..material/reason

They..can clear..obstacles..for you...in the moment
but cant..over-rule..ignorance/stupidity

Know..that their purpose..to do so
is..limited..to that..they can do..

[think who is..to loose
their/cash..so you can get..*cash..]

they CANT..defy..the law..of reason/logic..nor karma

and..that it is..your divine/right
to ask*..for that help...but have you even tried..to?

Angels..also often/times..can change..the vibrational/energy field..that is..around you.[not..he one..you created]

The..vibrational/field..that surrounds you
is..created mainly..by your physical..emotions..attracting..like thinking..[only you..can will 2change..your own thinking].

Your emotions..are the greatest..and first line of offence as much as defense[of your ego system... Emotions are germane..to your perceptions of gods universe..and to humanity.

You..created them*..to determine..your present reality

if/you are safe..Other vibrational/form..find your emotive/emmisions to be..fascinating[energizing]..even though..they.[or rather..their karmic-balance]..often seek..to control..and limit

your true-power...
free-choice..for good..
[or..to be..fair..or foul]

Angels..do not have..obvious/emotions..
they=..have learned..not to judge[anyone]

trusting..that gods..inherent good..in time
will..develop..its intended-fruit..even in..the most revile-able

They..are not..subject..to that vibration.
but..innately affected..by it.
http://new-birth.net/booklet/30_years_among_the_dead.PDF

.many..love song..that..isnt discordant..
yet..others rejoice in it..for angels come..of many/form..and function..serving according as/to..their want/need..even creed..in deed

"He,..of the/Spirit..of love/grace/mercy
(Angel)..of truth...will..guide you..into all truth;..for He shall not speak of Himself;..

but..[speak]..
whatsoever..He shall..hear,..
that shall/He speak:..(John 16:13).

The Angels..being..closely associated..with/inspiration..
the Comforter-Angel..now largely achieves..His aims through..the written word..He has inspired...

"Things to come"
were shown us..by..the Comforter

The Comforter..was to make known
everything..that was made knowable..to Him

my comforters..revealed/unveiled..much

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0
you all..thank/you

this might at first raise anger
but then..its time we knew..that terror..
is just error..[with a capiTal..T.]

In this episode of the Keiser Report, Max Keiser and Stacy Herbert, discuss 'financial terror,' cluster bombs and protestors without portfolios.

They also discuss Standard & Poor's 'blasting' the $5 billion fraud lawsuit against them as retaliation for the rating agency's 2011 decision to strip the United States of its AAA credit rating.

.

noting capital/terror..
go hand in hand../with gun in hand

crime pays..
hence bigger crime pay off..is bigger
how big..watch..learn..but dont get angry..get even

learn more
teaching dissipate the anger

remember..its an info war
money=knowing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr6T-4Voe0g

http://www.repubblica.it/cultura/2013/09/11/news/the_pope_s_letter-66336961/

our weapon..of choice..is words
freewill..free voice
here

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=5995&page=0

In the second half, Max talks to comedian, Lee Camp,
about banks and corporate greed money.

learn more

False Flag Legislation
to Turn Free Speech into a Privilege

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH282qQ4iAo

teaching dissipate the anger

FOLLOW Max Keiser on Twitter: http://twitter.com/maxkeiser

RT LIVE http://rt.com/on-air

Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/RTnews
Follow us on Twitter http://twitter.com/RT_com
Follow us on Instagram http://instagram.com/rt
Follow us on Google+ http://plus.google.com/+RT

anyhow..my next..project*..

from..Nag Hammad/texts
http://gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/res.html

The Treatise..on the Resurrection

Translated by Malcolm L./Peel

..there..are Some,..my son/Rheginos,
who want to learn..many things...
They have..this goal..when..they are occupied..with questions..whose answer is lacking.

If they..succeed..with these,
they..usually think..very highly..of themselves...But I..do not think that..they..*have stood..within the Word..of Truth..made flesh.

They seek..rather their own rest,
than/that..which we have received..through our Savior,..our Lord Christ.

We received it..when we came..to know the truth..and rested ourselves upon it...>>[gave..full faith..to..it]

But..since you ask us..pleasantly
what is proper..concerning the resurrection.. I am writing you..that it is necessary..To be sure, m..any are lacking faith..in it,..but there are a few..who find it.

So then,..let us discuss the matter.

How did the Lord..proclaim things..while he existed..in flesh and after..he had revealed..himself..as A..Son of God?..He lived in this place..where you remain,..speaking about..the Law of Nature..but I call it..'Death'.

Now.the Son of God,..Rheginos,..was Son of Man.

He embraced them..both,..possessing the humanity..and the divinity, so that..on the one hand..he might..*vanquish death..and that on the other...the restoration..to that..the Pleroma might occur;..because he>>..like all of us..<<..was originally from above,

a seed of Truth,
before this material/flesh..structure..had come into being...In this..many dominions..and divinities..came into existence...too.

I know..that I am presenting..the solution in..difficult terms,
but there is...nothing difficult..in the Word of Truth..But since the Solution..appeared..so as not to leave..anything hidden,..but to reveal..all things openly concerning existence

the destruction..of masterial evil..on the one hand,
the revelation..of the elect..of eternal spirit..on the other.
This survival..beyond deaths veil..is the emanation..of Truth and Spirit,..

*Grace is of the Truth.

The Savior..swallowed up death
(of this)..you are not reckoned..as being ignorant
for he put aside..the world which is perishing/perishable..

He transformed..into..an imperishable Aeon..
and..raised..himself up..[as we all shall]..,

having swallowed..the visible..allowed by the invisible,..
and thus..he gave us..the way of our immortality../.via our own mortality..

Then,.indeed,..as the Apostle said,
"We..suffered..with him,..and we*..arose with him,..and..*we went to heaven..with him"...Now..we..are manifest..in this/world..wearing him,

we are*[collectively]..that one`s..beams,
and we*..ALL..are embraced..by him..until our setting,
that is to say,..our death..in this..life...thus as we..are his..he is ours/and thine

We..are to/be..drawn to heaven..by him,
like beams..emitted..by the sun,..not being restrained..by anything.>>..not lawfully..our due...

our/share..of that..*we didst sow...not that..left unsown.

continue

This is..the spiritual/resurrection..
which swallows up..the psychic..in the same way..as the fleshly.

But..if there is one..who does not believe,
he..does not have the..(capacity to be)..persuaded.
For it is..the domain of faith,..my son,..and not that which belongs to persuasion:

*the dead shall arise!
here is one..who believes..among
the philosophers..who are in this world...

At least..he will arise...
And..let not the philosopher..who is in this world..have cause to believe..that he is one who returns..himself of himself..and..(that)..because of our faith!

For we..have known..of..the Son of Man,

and we..have believed..that he rose..from among the dead.
This is he..of whom we say,.."He became..*the destruction of death, as he is a great one..in whom they believe."

Great are those..who believe.
not by thing they saw..but by trust/faith..in other
saved..not by faith alone..but according as the wants..we served>>....that chose our works/..passion confirms..that we chose here and now..we get..in the eternity to come..[for everyone]

<<..The thought of those..who are saved shall not perish...The mind of those who have known..shall not perish. Therefore,..we are elected to salvation and redemption..since we are predestined from the beginning not to fall into..the foolishness of those who are without knowledge,

*but we shall enter into the wisdom..of those who have known the Truth...Indeed, the Truth which is kept..cannot be abandoned,/nor has it been.

"Strong is the system..of the Pleroma;
small is that..which broke loose..(and) became..(the) world...then made..into word

even weaker..the word spoken
then the word..not heard

But..the All..is what is encompassed..in all word.

It has not..come into being;..it was existing."
So,..never doubt..concerning the..resurrection,..my son Rheginos!..

For are you..were not..existing in flesh..
you received..flesh..when you entered..this world*..

..Why..then..will you not receive..flesh..again
when you ascend..into the Aeon?

That..which is better..than the flesh
is that..which is for (the)..cause of life.
That which..came into being..on your account,.is it not yours!

Does not that..which..is yours..*exist with you?

Yet,..while you are..in this world,..what is it..that you lack?
This..is what..you have been making..every effort..to learn.

Nothing,then,..redeems us..from this world...But..the All*..which we are,..are saved.. We have received..salvation..from end..to end.

Let us think..in this way!
Let us..comprehend..everything..in this way!

not*ended..but im..over it

The Interpretation of Knowledge
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/intpr.html
Translated by John D. Turner
(13 lines missing)

The Exegesis on the Soul
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/exe.html
Translated by William C. Robinson Jr.

Wise men of old gave the spirit a feminine name.
Indeed she is female in her nature as well...She even has her womb.

As long as she was alone with the father, she was virgin and in form androgynous.

But when she [our life spirit]..fell down into a body and came to this life, then she fell into the hands of many robbers. And the wanton creatures passed her from one to another and [.seduced ..] her.[into want/need/sins of the flesh]..

Some made use of her by force, [to do things most vile../..that stain our soul-form..according to our want]..while others did so by seducing her..with a gift. In short, they defiled her, and she [gave up...] her virginity.[innocence]

And in her [ soul]..body
she [we]..prostituted herself [ourselves]
and gave herself [ourselves]..to one and all,..
considering each one..[life experience]..she was about to embrace..to be her husband.

When she had given herself to wanton, unfaithful adulterers, so that they might make use of her, then she sighed deeply and repented. But even when she turns her face from those adulterers, she runs to others and they compel her to live with them and render service to them upon their bed, as if they were her masters.

Out of shame she no longer dares to leave them, whereas they deceive her for a long time, pretending to be faithful, true husbands, as if they greatly respected her. And after all this they abandon her and go.

continues at end

The Expository Treatise on the Soul

... they came to believe
by means of signs..and wonders and fabrications.

The likeness..that came to be..through them followed him,
but through reproaches..and humiliations..before they received..the apprehension..of a vision they fled

The Testimony of Truth

Translated by Søren Giversen and Birger A. Pearson

I will speak to those..
who know to hear not..with the ears..of the body
but with the ears..of the mind...*..

keep this in mind*

For many..have sought after the truth..
and have not been able to find it;..

because there..has taken hold of them..
the old leaven..of the Pharisees..and the scribes..of the Law.

And the leaven..is the errant/desire
of the angels..and the demons..and the stars.[light-bearers]

As for the Pharisees..and the scribes,
it is they..who belong to the archons..who have authority..over them.

{..Archon is a Greek word..that means."ruler"
or "lord," frequently used as the title of..a specific public office. It is..the masculine..present participle.of the verb stem}.

<<<<For no one..who is.under the Law
will be able to look up..to the truth,..for they will not be able..to serve two masters.

For the defilement..of the Law is manifest;
but..un-defilement..belongs to the light...

The Law commands..(one)..to take a husband
(or)..to take a wife,..and to beget,..to multiply..like the sand of the sea.

But passion,..which is a delight to them,..
constrains..the souls of those..who are begotten..in this place,..those who defile..and those who are defiled,..in order that the Law might be fulfilled..through them.

And they show..that they/are assisting..the world;..
and they turn away..from the light,..who are unable to pass by..the archon of darkness..until they pay the last penny.

But..the Son of Man..came forth*..from Imperishability,
being alien..to defilement...He came to the world..by the Jordan river,..and immediately*..the Jordan turned back.

And John bore witness..to the descent of Jesus...
For it is he..who saw the power..which came down upon the Jordan river;..for he knew..that the dominion of carnal procreation.had come to an end...

The Jordan river..*is the power of the body,
that is, the senses..of pleasures...The water of the Jordan is the desire for sexual intercourse. John is the archon of the womb.

And this..is what the Son of Man..reveals to us:..
It is fitting for you (pl.)..to receive the word of truth..
if one will..receive it perfectly.{with love..grace/mercy..truth/faith}..

But as for one..who is in ignorance,
it is difficult for him....to diminish his works..of darkness which he has done.

Those who have known Imperishability,
however, have been able..to struggle against passions [...].

I have said..to you,.."Do not build..nor gather..for yourselves
in the place where..the brigands break open,..but bring forth fruit to the Father."

The foolish.-thinking..in their heart
that..if they confess,.."We are Christians,"..in word only..(but)..not..*with power,..
[love/grace/gnosis/knowing/resection]..while giving themselves..over to ignorance,..

to..a human/darkness..death
not knowing..where they are going..
nor..who Christ is,..thinking that..*they will live,..when they are..(really)..in error/..deadly/decievers

they..who/hasten towards..the principalities..and authorities.
They*..fall..into their clutches..because of the ignorance...that is in them.

For..(if)..only words which..bear testimony..
were effecting salvation.. the whole world..would endure this thing..and would be saved.

they do/not know..that they will.destroy t..only..them-selves.
If the Father..were to desire..a human sacrifice,..he would become vainglorious.

For..the Son of Man clothed/himself..with their first-fruits;
he went down..to Hades..and performed many mighty works.

He raised..the dead therein;..
and..the world-rulers..of darkness
became envious of him,..for they did not find sin..in him...

But he.also destroyed their works..from among men..
so that the lame,..[lazy]..the blind,..[in darknes]..the paralytic, the dumb,..(and) the demon-possessed..were granted healing.
http://new-birth.net/booklet/30_years_among_the_dead.PDF

And..he walked upon..the waters of the sea.
[see]
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Wanderer_a4.pdf

For this reason..he destroyed..his flesh from

[...]..which he..[...].
And he became..[...]..
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Gone_West.pdf

salvation [...] his death ...
... (4 lines unrecoverable)
... everyone..[...]..how many they are!
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Life_in_the_World_Unseen.pdf

They are blind guides,..like the disciples.
They boarded the ship;..at about thirty stadies,..they saw Jesus walking on the sea. These are empty martyrs,..since they bear witness only to themselves.*

And yet they are sick,..and
they are not..able to raise themselves.
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlalpha.html

But..when they are "perfected"..with a (martyr's) death,
this is the thought..that they have..within them:

"If we deliver ourselves..over to death
for the sake of the Name..we will be saved."

These matters..are not settled in this way.

But through the agency..of the wandering stars
they say they have "completed" their futile "course",..and [...] say, [...].

But these [...]
they have delivered themselves ...
... (7 lines unrecoverable)

...but they resemble..[...]them.

They do not have..the word
which gives life...[works][]unto..other

And some say,.."On the last day>>

but they are wrong

<<..we will certainly arise..in the resurrection."
But..they do not know..what they are saying,..

for..the last day[of mortal life..
is when those..belonging to Christ..[.shall be..all..born again

[..]..the earth,..which is..[.satans realm..]
shall hold your..soul..but your life/spirit..belong-eth..to..him

him..most high
good/god

But..it is..in this way..
that..they drew error..to themselves....
(3 lines unrecoverable)..and GOOD/works..that..wash us clean

There are still..many,..many souls..on earth
who solemnly..uphold it..as an article of “faith”..that
paradise,..as they call it,..will be one long.interminable round..of singing “psalms and hymns..and spiritual
canticles”.

Nothing..could be more..ridiculous.

The spirit world..is a world of activity,..not indolence;..a world
of usefulness..not uselessness...*Nothing in the spirit world is useless.. there is..a sound reason*..and purpose for
everything.

Neither..the reason..nor the purpose..may be plain..to everyone at first,..but that does not alter..the
truth of the matter.

Boredom..can find no place here..as a general state of affairs.

People have been known..to become
bored,..*but that very boredom..begets..[wills]..their first step—or their next step—in spiritual progression..through
their WILL*..to be engaging in some useful work.

There are myriads..of tasks..to be performed—and myriads of souls..to
perform them,..but there is always room..for one more,..and it will ever be so..

Am I..not living..in a world that
is both unlimited..and illimitable?

We do..not inhabit..a land that bears..
all the outward marks..of an Eternal Sunday!

Indeed,..Sunday has
no place,..no existence even,..in the great scheme of the spirit world. We have no need..to be forcibly
reminded of the Great Father of the Universe,..by setting aside one day to Him,..and forgetting Him for the
rest of the week.

We have no week.

With us it..is eternal day,
and our minds..are fully and perpetually
conscious of Him,..so that we can see His hand..and His mind in everything*..that surrounds us.

I have deviated a little..from what I set out to tell you,
but it is expedient..to emphasize certain
features of my narrative,..because so many souls of the earth world are almost shocked..to be told that the
spirit world..is a solid world,..a substantial world,..with real, live people in it!

They think..that that is far too
material,..far too like the earth world; hardly,..in fact,..one step removed from it,..with its spirit landscape and
sunshine,..its houses and buildings,..its rivers and lakes,..inhabited by sentient, intelligent beings!

This is no land..of “eternal rest”.
There is rest..in abundance..for those who need it.
But when the rest
has restored them..to full vigour and health..the urge to perform some sensible, useful task rises up within
them,..and opportunities abound.

Assuredly, this world of spirit is not made up of a bewildering series of profound and complex
mysteries, explicable only to the few.

There are mysteries, certainly,
just as there are upon the earth-plane.
And just as there are great brains upon the earth-plane who can solve those mysteries, so here there are
greater brains still—immeasurably greater—who can provide an explanation when our intellects are ready
to receive it and understand it.

But there are many people in the earth world who earnestly believe that we in spirit live in a
continual state of impassioned religious emotion, that every concomitant of spirit life, every form and
degree of personal activity, every atom of which the great world of spirit is composed, must have some
pious, devotional signification.

Such a stupid notion is wide, very wide of the mark.
Search through the
earth world, and do you find any such unnatural ideas attached to the multiplicity of life that lies within it?

There is no religious import in a beautiful earthly sunset.
Why should our spirit flowers—to take one
instance among many—have any other reason for their existence than that which I have already given you,
namely, a magnificent gift to us all from the Father of us all for our greater happiness and enjoyment?

To return to the particular characteristics of spirit soil.

As we approach the dark regions the soil, such as I have described to you, loses its granular quality
and its colour.

It becomes thick, heavy, and moist, until it finally gives place entirely to stones, and then..

http://new-birth.net/booklet/Life_in_the_World_Unseen.pdf

..we..plunged our hands..into some of the soil..and allowed it to trickle..through our fingers..in a
gentle stream...As it descended..there issued from it.the sweetest musical tones,..as though it were falling
upon some..tiny musical instrument..and causing.the keys to produce a ripple..of sound.

A keen ear..will hear..many musical sounds..upon the earthly seashore a.. the water sweeps back and
forth over the beach,..but no keen ear..is necessary.;to hear the rich harmonics when the ground..of the spirit
world is made to speak and sing.

The sounds emitted in this way..vary as much as the colour and elements themselves vary...They are
there for all to hear,..and they can be produced at will..by the very simple action.I have described.

How is this..brought about,..
you will ask?

Colour..and sound—that is,..musical sound—are interchangeable terms in the spirit world...To
perform some act..that will produce colour..is also to produce a musical sound.

To play upon..a musical
instrument,..or to sing,..is to create colour,
and each creation..is governed and..limited by the skill and
proficiency..of the instrumentalist or singer.

A master musician,..as he plays upon his instrument,..will build
above himself..a most beautiful musical thought-form,...varying in its colours..and blends of shade in strict
accordance..with the music he plays.

A singer..can create a similar effect..in relation to the purity of the voice..and the quality of the music...*The thought-form thus erected will not be very large...It is a form..in miniature.
But a large orchestra..or body of singers..will construct an immense form, governed,.of course,.by the same
law.
The musical.thought-form..produces no sound..of itself.
It is the result..of sound,.and is,..as it were, a selfcontained
unit...Although music..will bring forth colour,..and colour will yield music,..each is restricted to the..one resultant form.

They will not..go on reproducing..
each other.in a constant,..unending,..or gradually
diminishing,..alternation of colour and sound.

It must/not..be thought..that with all the vast galaxy..of colours from the hundreds..of sources in the
spirit world.that ..our ears are being constantly assailed..with the sounds of music;..nor..that we are living,..as/if fact,..in
an eternity of music..that is sounding..and resounding without remission.

There/are..few minds—if any—that
could possibly endure..such a continuous/plethora.of sound,.however beautiful it may be.

We should sigh
for..peace and quietness;..our heaven..would cease to be heaven...

my..silence upon..off topic raves
on this thread..is noted..

but
i..would have thought ..any complainant
about me..or the sampled..*off topic trolling

that any so offended..to complain..here
preferably..by specific point
to..explain..here*

..how i did offend you..enough..
to gossip..to other..[who..has enough to do
without either..you or me trying to distract...him

anyhow please complain...here*
publicly..out in the open..i cant be offended

i know im only trying to help
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

helping you..helps me..
only by talking together..can we set..our-self..free

anyhow talk..honestly..freely..specifically

know..we are listening
and your not alone*..
many watchers
watch..cause we care*

Well you are not talking to your self I am ROTFL bloke.
Yes having a read and trying to keep up.
Must say you are making sure you get the last word in mate.

OK..belly..thanks
MY LAST SAY..is..*[LOL]

but*..
here..is what i..wated/to..say..earlier*

..im going to repeat.my self again
the first people globally..have their *own..money system

i tried to./.explain it..a few times
most recently..to scientists..environmentalists..[to fund research/cover fees/insurance etc

but heck..it will pay for repair
[all*..co2/war..credit damages,,too
and bailout..the bubble*..[soonish].

..its time
to..ask me..SERIOUS/questions

..god will provide..

if its..needed/important..*to the world
god will fund it..

[its a..long story
[..but im offering..to talk about it]

the first people.of the land..[globally*]
have their own*..DOD_GIVEN..money system*..

i just..need explain it
i..went..to court in canberra..to prove it..
but..FIRST*.the first/people..need to claim it*

then..we will use it..for good
people..support it simply by banking..with..*our [AB_orignal..commonwealth bank..backed by..the invader*

ANYHOW
hi mary..G
re a comment..your guest made..re our own govt

i write you regarding....PAYING FOR IT*

/re..our own money..

[my name.is johan]

in 2002..i got speared.in front..of ol/parle'ment house...
trying to deliver..the people our money*...
spirit..judged it

.[it works..on..the promise* to pay
by our own notes..promise..is made in pounds..or per seed

the promise upon..the notes..is of of a stated weight..[in pounds/weight]..DELIVERABLE..instantly..in real<..tree/of_life*>..seed.]

wikiseed/wikigeld..was what it was called
basically we..[the people..vote who..gets our cash..plus where its spent..]

its that simple..[numbers =credit]

[50%..is issued..for womans business
as determined..At WOMANS_CIRCLES
FOOD HOME HEARTH/mirth

plus..[50%] for mens
SPIRIT LEARNING DREAMING

or as*..the circles decide

we issue it..as/when needed
[globally]

its based..on what invader money..*USED to be
promis-sorry notes..promising an assured value..a sure product..

[for..contracted goods/aid/repair/compensation
..plus a market..of the seeds[30.000..fruits..not 12'

USED*locally..
collected globally..for local development..local empowerment

[gifted..to elders/children
[whoisnot a child of the father?

via elder circles..
who deem it
as THE..*only legal..>>LAWFUL>tender ...where ever WE,the people..saY*

promise to pay.. off \..in pounds*..
just..like invader money..USED..to be*

[one pound sterling..was A PROMISE..
that the common/wealth bank..would give..*DELIVER.. pound..WEIGHT..[of silver/gold]..

ps [i..under-write..the delivery of the seed*.
.[yearly..on invasion day]..at tent embassy

govt*..already knows*
but been waiting..for us to DEMAND it!

how can we let..people KNOW..
we got our..*own cash*cow..by god*

The fool who started this thread couldn't even get the name right. Under One God.
one under god has as much right to post on this forum as anyone else. That includes an ex flat footed copper who's rants are nothing more than a diatribe of the extreme right.

Paul I agree with the thought we should all be free from such insulting threads.
Existing methods work best, ignoring those we do not want to read.
In fact both of us are ignored constantly and that is life.
I until recently, thought only good thoughts about our author.
And you probably did too.
But we both had an earth quake under our feet in another thread, a throw away comment, from a bad culture within the *Police forces of the western world*
Let me tell you I value the Police, in fact a good Cop is worth far more than we pay or ever could pay them.
Via my sport playing days, and no less by the late night, early morning side by side work at traumatic road death scenes, I have mates in that job.
Even they have no hesitation in offering freely, the advice some in uniform are an anchor to the good name of the police.

Belly, I couldn't agree more. What is a worry is any attempt to have police "make the law" rather than "enforce the law". When people start talking about banning this one, or censoring that one, it's a worry. I am an advocate for civil liberties, which at times is seen as being "soft" and unpopular, particularly when applied to those that have been charged with a horrendous crime, but I see civil liberties and a persons rights as far more important to maintain than the emotive desire for revenge.

Not much I can disagree with there Paul.
While not looking for revenge I understand why Police some times get a hard deal.
If only the few had to act and behave as other workers must.

its not the last say
i hope this will be

things change
and as things change..
we dis empower..those looting/exploiting society

how may things change..is only by saying no..
its over..your serving shareholders
by abusing householders..

[govt works for main..street..not suburbia

well..the lamb roars
[lamb-island..is succeeding in secession]
and will..have their own banking credits social/systems..

just wait and see
or help..make it happen..PUSH ME HARD TO EXPLAIN*
break-me if you must..but take it seriously..we do have alternatives..

anyhow
here is an example..of non-violent change
never ever never..*any but..ever passive..change..

for cause..of course
cause society has run..off course

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6040&page=0

help..or hinder
but get involved..

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2013/10/03/08/57/september-hottest-on-record
Hey!! OUG hows it going?
Thought you may care to comment on this.

belly..you know..how i feel
but i..cant comment..without upsetting people..i love

but..you asked
so i..will let..their link..speak for me

from your link

<<..If..the first month..of spring..had you sweating
like it was summer,..you probably weren't alone.>>

cause we have change of weather
because we live in..a climate..where temp..can change.[always has..always will..[we live in..the land..of Drought..and flooding rains

further..those..who WERE-N0T sweating you..clearly..had on
the air conditioner..running for free..on their solar credits

drawing-on*..our gold plated..electrical power system..
[peak demand..we..[not they]..pay for
by ever higher power prices

<<September..was the hottest/spring opener*..on record,
with the national..average temperature..a sizzling 2.75 C above usual.

NOTE the number
now compare numbers
[remember ol'mate..its a numbers game
[once too many WANTED the feed in*..tariff..it went away]

<<Australia
is experiencing..persistent heat..across the continent,
with temperatures..from October 2012..to September..1.25 degrees above..the long-term average.

<<Since 1910,..average temperatures have risen by 0.9 C,

<<The Climate Council said a 0.9 C temperature rise may not seem like much but even small increases could exacerbate the intensity of extreme weather experienced in Australia.

<<Professor Steffen..said Australia
was no stranger ..to baking days>>

i fully agree

<<..The council already has raised..nearly $1 million
in donations to continue..its work>>

yes near 1 million..todo its job

what is iyts job?
><<providing expert independent information
about climate change to the Australian public>>

great..yet more guilty articles
more tv adverts...more guest appearances

as if we dont got enough
hot air heads [experts]..telling us what to do..[donate*][give ema new tax..give em a job..someone needs to be boss../and they are it

in-dependent..my buttttt

the/defendant

belly..i been looking for a place to put this quietly..to you
icant send it to you via gratham..as will become obvious..so

grayham..please read no further..
[this is about you..to belly]

private..and..in confidence
[plausible deny-ability]

belly..you see..how you have this will..that grayham..gets rewarded..for keeping olo..going..the easiest way..we all can help is by clicking on the adverts..[thats the only time..grayham..gets paid anything]..one click..from memory means 10 cents..so clicking on an advert every now and again..means the forum survives.that little bit longer..that they just penetrate subconsciously..into our minds..for free as now occurs..

that just how this..new age format goes..in the old days..adverts was paid..upfront..now we read them..non stop..but never click them..even briefly..so..olo gets paid..

so belly just drop..the clicking advert thing..into conversation..occasional..and we and the advertisers..will keep getting honest value..vie bias free..means of making..comment

ps if grayham read the text..
he will necessarily..need to delete this post..there is no need for him to read every-post..so dont force the issue..by notifying him of it.he has enough to do..simply herding the cats..we love olo..and want to..never see it go

fair is fair..i read..so many adverts mate..yet grayham..dont get a cracker..unless we click..just click..yet there they..are..being read again and again..for free..read..cause we read..yet i find it hard to believe im the 100,000th visitor....from alexndria..to get that free 'offer'...but if it pays the bills..im fine clicking it and see[then closing the window]..if angry..i might click it a few times..but then that establishes a..modus opperandi..dont feel angry..just righteous

dear/banjo..your thesis..describes..the tin-man
[no-heart]..so..what..i/hear echoed..in..my heart

from
http://www.chabad.org/library/tanya/tanya_cdo/aid/292391/jewish/Mind-Over-Heart.htm

You know..your/..inspiration..[or robotic-instruction]..doesn't come..from..the mind-alone..[machines..only gainsay..their reality..via..the creators/creation..creative/instinct's..of man

but..with man..-it..comes from..somewhere..beyond that.
But..yet..for/too..many..not_aware..of cloud-mind..[as opposed to..the loud-mind]..

a lot of..the time,..inner revelation..above base programing
doesn't come..at all...[to tin-men..[doing..science..by quietening their hearts..murmurings..by rote methodology..or formulated..ritual

[their minds sadly will..only react..[its a com-part-ment..of com'part-mental-ized..thought-process..[=machine]..thus..has no free-will

acting within..its programing..
re-acting..autonomously..to..specific instruction..
[not ever invent..anything..by listening to..their heart..revelation..[via freewill]..invention.

<<..Your mind..has to open up,..tune in-to..something beyond itself. Then..the juices flow..and..only..then you can play..with-in..the revelations..of your LIVING heart...[its only..our dire-versions/negations..that divide the heart..from art..[or arte]

But,..on..the other hand,..all the time..you are playing,
you have to..keep that mind..in gear.open to revelation/[aware]..

If it..slides..off..the clutch ]..[focus]..and..the heart..takes over alone,..the depth of..the music[creative]..is lost.

Like jazz/musicians say,..you have t.. stay cool.
That's..what we call.."mind over heart."

Okay,..let's say ..you're..*not a musician.
But maybe..you like..playing football...The same
dynamic..inter-flows apply:..If your heart..is not into..it,..
cant..envision..it[..it just..ain't gonna work...

*But if..you let your heart..go wild..[with free/flowing willful passion..abandoning..the rote/note..,you're..not going..to be ..on the league..for too long.

So..some people lose..the mind..
and get caught-up..in the heart....risking losing focus..on..external reality

yet..Others..*forget..about..the-heart
and..become..[warpedf.wrapped-up..in..the mind.

Neither ..way..is good.

The..point is..to get..the soul..to express..itself
in the heart..by reaching..through \*.the..heart-mind...into the..cloud-mind

Getting..this..mind-heart..thing down..pat..is not easy.
First..of all,..during your initial/exposure to life--known as childhood-you are basically..an emotional/animal,..with little chance that..the mind will have..control..of anything.

Secondly,.even once/you grow-up,..the whole world
is..out to..*make you.."just react"..to ..*their stimuli.

After all,..as long as..you have control...
over your..own brain..and own-heart,...you..*know..your acting..of your own..freewill..onto free-action..[writing..your own/programing]

via..free-revelatory-thought..being free..by thinking..acting..enabling*..*free..=free from fee..and from..ill-will.
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=the+heart+mind+and+actions&

<<You..know things..about Jesus,
but..you..do_not..go/with..that knowledge,..which He..gives your heart>>..to-hear..only..in prayer...[revelation

knowing only..learn..the miracle..
you..only..thus<<..Know Jesus..with/the mind/the study..of the Catechism:..know Jesuswith t..he heart[revelation]..in prayer,..in dialogue..with Him...>>via him..unto..the cloud-mind[father]

<<..This helps/us..a good bit,..but..it/is..not enough.
There is..a third-way..to know Jesus:..it is..by following-Him.
Go..*with Him,..walk..with Him..>>

..as those older..[by miracle]
yet younger..in faith..[revelation]..must do

http://famvin.org/en/2013/09/28/pope-francis-mind-heart-action/

http://www.innerfrontier.org/Practices/IntegratingBodyHeartMind.htm
we train..in the..practices/of..awareness.
We begin..with establishing..*awareness..of
the sensitive/energy..[aetherised/soul form].body,
as strong..and as stable..as,..is humanly/humanely..possible.

When..in that/state..we can,..at times,
branch out..to incorporate-awareness..of exta-thoughts and/or intra-emotions.

In..this way..we train..our attention..and awareness
toward directing..our will..to the wholeness[all-ness]..that integrates..our parts,..[at-one]-ments..toward..unity of action,..

evolving ever forward..toward..the ability..to act
with..as..with/in..the..whole..of ourselves.
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=+the+hearts+minds+and+actions&

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=the+difference+between+heart+mind+and+soul
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=enchantment+changing+the+hearts+minds+and+actions

just..keeping..the thread/alive
i..would post..this here..but/run..out of..posts
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

[yet...8 here..wasted..each day
in..a week..i could finish..it/off..here..and..let..the topic..die

not this..but the..a course in miracles
DICTATED..by..jesus himself.
[it deserves..its own topic]

but this..is..other stuff..context..for the acim
but if/it..gets me..bad karma..

COMPLAIN..HERE*..
where i..so grievously..[seemingly]..upset you

Karma..and.its Consequences

http://www.tsoknyirinpoche.org/2575/web-teaching-i-2/

It..is wise..for us..to contemplate
that..the quality..of..our life..is fully-determined..by..the quality of.our behavior.

Our..thoughts,/feelings/speech,..and actions,[virtuous and non-virtuous,]..create..the intricate-patterns..of our..life/experience.

We..ourselves create..the causes..for our..own happiness.
.or..our own suffering...When..we..fully..understand..the wholesome,..virtuous actions>>

LIKE THIS..

<<..that..cause suffering,
we..can..eliminate/those causes...When..we understand
the wholesome,..virtuous actions,..[forgiving/other]..which..bring happiness..and benefit..to ourselves..and others,..

we ALONE...can choose..
to cultivate..those causes...in our-self.

<<..We must..begin by acknowledging..that
our..situation..in life..is..the result..of..our own..*in-actions.

So..let’s focus..on karma..the natural,..un-equivocal relationship..between..cause..and effect...There..cannot/be..any mistake..about this;..it is..one/of..the defining..characteristics..of the Buddha’s /teachings.

The..traditional-example..is that
if..you plant rice,..you will..*never obtain..
wheat..or corn..from that.;.grain..of rice..because there is continuity

from..[birth[..seed..to..plant.[preemptive..to rebirth]...
/Yet,..even though..we start with*..a certain cause,..different conditions..come into..play..and..the fruition..[fruit]..of that..cause/might change.

Because..it’s/possible..to introduce..different/causes
and..conditions,..we can change..the fruition,..

*we can..change..the result...
But..even/this..is..not permanent...

How..do you know..it’s..not/permanent?
did..You use..logic..to see it...then use..empathy..to feel it..then use your hands..to end it...and then your heart-mind..to heal it.?

If karma..is..dependent..on..the will/of
our..causes..and conditions,..then..it has no..intrinsic-existence...

If it were..not*..dependent,..everything..in..the world/
could be fixed..in.the..first instant..and ..nothing..would..ever change.

The same..is true.;.of those..who are..dependent..and..so/have no intrinsic/self-existence...They’re..the fruition..of causes..and conditions..coming together.

On..his enlightenment,..Buddha
identified..suffering..as the nature..of our lifes experience...

But then..he identified..the cause..of suffering...
He saw..the origin..of suffering..as karma..and..the affirmative..hurt-full expression..of others..emotions.

But..the cause..of suffering..
is itself..impermanent;..too..it actually..has
no true..and..permanent..sel;f-existence...once..the cure is enacted..by humane will.

The Buddha..also saw..the inter-dependent..nature..of everything,
so..when..any..particular cause..is the..result of..previous impermanent..causes...and itself..is now....an impermanent cause...of impermanent..fruits.

If.*it..were real..or..spiritually-solid,..
it*..would...also..need be..outside..of..defendant existence,..
\and we thus..could..never change..or..eliminate it...giving it..life..[by giving..it..our life-energy.]

But we..can..chose..to bring-about..change..in ourself..
perceptive-Chang.. occurs..by creating..new conditions.. and..we can change..conditions.

Causes..reasoning..will bear fruits..and conditions..
are..the elements..that produce karma..and also..produce change.

So..the conditions..that..e create..
are the Path,..[ta0]..way..and the..main objective..of the path..
is to eliminate..the way/cause/means of inducing/suffering...upon..other.

You really..can..delete..past karma!

But.the force..of the conditions..that change..
the course of..events..*must..be strongly..of love/grace/mercy..to do this.

please ignore..my trolling..this..dead thread
its..un-good karma?..

buit
im going nuts..not able..to put.this stuff online..

id.rather be talking..of jesus..words
http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf

put..thyne friends..in..the same place
ok..lord..4/the record
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6073&page=0

OUG has hijacked the thread
chrisgaff1000,
edited..attempt to circumvent the rule...edited

Its difficult to accept
edited

R0bert

R0bert,
From his wheelchair in the sun-room
of his old peoples home he is having fun so we leave him be and suffer.

by chrisgaff1000,

SUFFER%..oh/dear-lord

i know..not to..respond..to trolls
[or hazing]..and..even..if only word counting..
some..at least may sink-in..no..specific-rebuttal..is noted

thus..lets post yet another wasted post
some people have one line replies
have you..thought of tweeters?

some of us..have more to say..and seek
desperately for places..they..may relate..in this case
my words replied the...topic...[get it?]

sadly you..guys only could come up
with critique..of the means..chosen to..say..my opinion..
NOT*..what was said..you did/NOT..even attempt..to REFUTE ANYTHING else..

just the same..mindless..attack of..the man
but studiously..ignore trying to refute..his message

talk about playing
the man..not the ball

anyhow..thats all..
nuthin..to see..nor hear..here/

marry who..you like chris
why didnt..you raise it..at your own..thread?
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=5995&page=0

you didnt say much..there either?

they say..being ignored.,is the best thing..
try it with my post's..then resist..trolling off topic..
or better refute..what i said [so..laboriously]..only trying to..help..clarify..the question

what are your here..to do?..
COUNT WORDS..OR IGNORE..READING THEM?
or..just distract..others from..replying the topic

[clutter up..the thread with...useless troll babble..
opinion..is respected..but facts talk louder.
but..i see neither.

cheers guys..try posting..to..topic..next time?
try and stump/me..rather than..bump me
who knows maybe you have answers
or better questions
by one under god,


OUG,..the topic does matter
edited..to deal with/the cheats..in our midst.

R0bert

ANY..OPINION..on the topic?

*New Marriage laws..for the ACT*

if i left..i would be cheating you
im..not cheating..YOU..

you..lost not one post..
yet..you gained much..but never took..to..the..learning
and offered..no..opinion..nor ANY..rebuttal

but its ok..i..love being ignored..[please try-it]
replying trolls is a waste of posts..and any further thought

its clear you got no..fact..to refute my post
just endless trolls..

no..thanks needed
i..didnt realize we got so..many/upset homosexual/trolls
not wanting to..hear the truth..of what the word..actually says

i..think..i cant..be bothered explaining..romans

Thank God there are not two under gods.
i-sm.