Next week I will be in Sydney as part of a protest against the actions of the NSW Government.
I think, with the information I have, that government could cut costs and still pay fair wages to its own employees.
I firmly think Governments and extremely poor management , over generations and every form of government, is the only reason governments privatize its own needed departments.
Now that the extremes are howling at me, my thread is about the right to govern.
Few are not aware Liberal/Nationals won the biggest Victory in the history of NSW.
Even less do not know a Labor party infested with filth got what it had coming, a flogging.
A third of us ALP foot soldiers, put our party first, by not voting for them not manning the booths.
So all Clear for the incoming government?
Not so.
Labor and the greens do not control the upper house.
Two shooters party and a Christian Fundamentalist have got their way and changed government legislation twice.
Who rules us.
Can it be that it is worth the risk to get rid of houses of review?
QLD did we have the option of chucking bad governments out but why can so few of us,give so much power to three on a vote so small.
I am a sporting shooting supporter, but in schools?
Can put up with Christians, but must they intrude in our politics.
Why not abolish every senate and upper house,do we not trust those we elect to rule?

I understand we have touched on this subject before.
In a thread I started.
But this issue is growing.
The Victory in NSW while historic, surely also said voters wanted big Barry O,Farrel to govern?
The upper house is in NSW at least a place never do wells can find a place to sit and fat wage check, its history proves that.
Shooters and fishers party first made threats,nothing else describes it.
They wanted quite a lot, including school lessons in shooting.
Our Fred Nile is not regarded in the community at large as much of a Christian.
Both he and his wife rode in to the house on Gods back.
Better men represent God in NSW.
A massive landslide victory, as is likely for conservatives federally, and government hings on.
Marginal party with marginal views and followers.
Do we need upper houses?

belly we got too many levels of politics
its not nessisary to have the state level of govt

our sevices...are done by local councils
and feds do the other stuff

the state level is a total waste of money
so its not as simple as getting rid of the senet
[and i resist getting rid of the federal level of the senet]

but its ttime both houses[and the burdensom beurocracy of state]
at the state level..were abolished

the corruption of the joe years[in qld]..mate
was perfected during the godss beaty and blight years
who now have made official malfeasence an art

[dont even think of peter beatup for pm]..
that guy is really a bad crook..as bent as they come
who will beat you to death...sell out the state..with his smile intact...[to say he is only corrupt is being nice]

OUG we have no choice we live in the system we have.
And that system stinks.
I understand this, it was time for change in my state.
And that stagnation turned my party from the one Wran and Carr lead to a lost shambles.
Wran gave us Darling Harbor, the very heart and sole of our City.
Conservatives in the style of todays lost tribe said it would kill our City.
Carr? it is possible he was our greatest ever leader, he lead what was to become, after he left, a cess pool of self interested rabble.
And gave this state the national parks system that future generation will bless him for.
But voters/me/Labor said its time for a new broom.
Not every thing O Farrel is doing is wrong, he won the right to rule.
I have no fear of him ruling,in time ,it has started, Labor will be better for its near death.
But how can any one think upper houses have the right to over rule an elected government, and the voters who put them there.
Watch, learn,only an Abbott implosion, and that could happen!
Will see other than big lower house majority in Canberra,for him, but stymied in the upper house.
An elected government should not suffer at the hands of so few votes the indignity of not being able to govern.

the system ISNT MEANT TO BE PERFECT

you wrote..""how can any one think
upper houses have the right to over rule an elected government,""

mate..they are selected[elected]..too

elected as oversight
[the only oversight we got..]

to take away those PAID to check
removes all the checks and balances

yes we might hate the fred niles of the world
but they only got ONE vote[and thus NEED one of the other main parties..to help them do the vile they would want tio do]

by them selves the greens got what...5 or 6 votes
what if BOTH parties hated unions
you would be glad you got a fred voting
and thats where the senet is needed..just in case

be honest yabby
the unionists are what 20%
why should they hold 50%
what about the xtians..or buddists or jews
they dont get any vote?

recall your own words>>""and the voters who put them there.""
mate someone THOUGHT what they heard needed hearing
thus voted on a topic rather than a party line run by a party elite

""stymied in the upper house.""
is because they CANT make laws
all legislation must origonate in the lower rate
ie the house RAN by the 2 parties

the parties SHOULD Be banned from the upper house COMPLETLY
let there be a full representation of the many OTHER intrests..and let these reflect the intrests..of ALL OF US

ie some punk kid..some junkie..some lawyer..some docter..some metakl worker some sports person..etc etc..till we ALL got a voice

then if those dispirited voices agree with the new law
it is more fair..than the 2 party machine man law

""An elected government should not suffer
at the hands of so few votes""

yes too much partyy loyalty
not enough representation

""the indignity of not being able to govern.""

yes we got no one caring for the same things we do
thus the party machine...*ABSOLUTE power..has CORRUPTED absolutly

The thread is not going to make it.
OK I can take rejection.
It is related to one that bought pain and anger as I expressed my view we should be able to vote with out distributing any preferences.
Just vote one.
To work in an upper house it would need ONLY THOSE getting a full quota without preferences , an odd number with extra votes expelled.
Too many, do not understand our system, England however is looking at using ours.
Now Greens do not even like me talking about it, I lost Friends over it.
But they too have every chance,in our current system of winning seats.
Labor, clearly, will run third in many seats, Wilkie will be returned on Liberal preferences.
But how do we justify, even except, upper houses with so few voters haveing more representation than the vast majority?
I want party's elected to govern.
The thread is about NSW soon it will be about Canberra.
Love to see a referendum next election about abolishing the senate.

belly quote..""The thread is not going to make it.""
at least you know its the topic
not you

""It is related to one that bought pain and anger""
it dosnt read angry

""my view we should be able to vote
with out distributing any preferences.""

we can in qld

""Just vote one."'

i hate that phrase
peter beatup beaty..had a poster one year
thats all it had on it..[hundreds of them
on every approach to the main booth]

""To work in an upper house
it would need ONLY THOSE..getting a full quota''

A PERCENTAGE OF THE REGERSTERD VOTERS?
OR A PERCENTAGE OF THOSE WHO VOTED?

""without preferences,an odd number
with extra votes expelled.""]
]
HOW COME?
I PREFER EVERY VOTE COUNTS

""Too many,do not understand our system,""

HECK NO MATTER HOW MANY VOTE
WE STILL ALLWAYS GET A WINNER
i rekon if less than 70%..then we should do a re-run

""I lost Friends over it.""
dont pick political friends
politics attracts oppertuinists

""every chance,in our current system of winning seats.""

yeah best to get rid of
the representation..for the rest of us
just 2 parties matter

""how do we justify,even accept,
upper houses with so few voters
having more representation than the vast majority?""

funny enough..the masses often get decieved
thus the most dont mean the best

""I want party's elected to govern.""
me too..but i would ban ANY..party line as treasonous

""Love to see a referendum next election
about abolishing the senate."'

i would have loved a refernded/VOTE..on carbon tax mate
and smoking tax...and the other taxes/laws..NO ONE mentioned

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/premier-shrugs-off-inquiry-demand-over-pub-lobbyist-20110903-1jrdh.html
Not every thing is good in the NSW government.
While it has no impact on my thread it would be worth remembering my party's fate.
And that two former leaders one mine and credited with an achievement here and one conservative.
In the opinion of most, had reduced our state to a criminal activity for them selves.
From little things big, sometimes bad, things grow.
NSW currently is home to a whole gambling sport tainted by the understanding it is known the out come before the starter lets Trotters/Pacers go.
Indeed the red hots aw generations have known.
Lets hope a state too often protecting crime is not at it again.

this was going to be a new topic mr bell
but as you know my 'topics generally are ignored'

further it may be too political
[in the light of a mother less unwed athiest pm
controled by a fatherless green homosexual]..the link to this your topic is manyfold

you dislike that cardinal pell and the greens[from memory]
and seem to have awoken to that spin merchant we call juliar

the title was going to be called something like 30 pieces of silver?
or spin and green carrots from unwed athiests[but when i went to post a new topic i noted the first law

do not redirect current articles
so i thought..this might fit in with bellies [ignored topic]
on the basis of bias..and govt being ransomed..so mate here goes

you will have noted the media saturation last night
[re parent[fathers]..getting 30 pieces of silver
to do their fathering

[BUT mate NO ONE has mentioned that other stuff..
added in by special intrests groups..to wit the stick
that goes with the car/root]

or rather the spin hiding the fist...
inserted by the not mother
not father

[special interests]
who's biggest gain..is holding the balance of POWER
[and loving it]..to wit that smokers tax..

and NOT the miners tax

but here goes the link
yesterday i note allready 75 posts?
today it runs 10 pages
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=12558&page=0

the initial aerticle was this one
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=12558

but i had to pass on reading them
TILL I READ THE NEWS LAST NIGHT..and ONLY heard of the carrot

ie NOT THE OTHER SIDE
ie those..NOT represented by govt..of any level

THATS both the reason and the danger
inherant in having two houses
[that serve a certain adgenda....

RECALL mate that other topic..
re the masons..that too was ignored mate}

it all relates
they wanted more woman in the two party parlement

[as you know they are loyal...to the party line...

as well as easilly sold to green things..
and fighting off them horrible men..that made their lives hell..[to wit us..who easilly could pass as masons]

men like you and me

that are too opinionated
and must be ignored and oppressed at all levels

cause to an unwed homo greenie..we all look the same
ie mustr be ignored and cast out
and thats how it is

im nearly out of web acces mate
4 december you wont hear me no more
then i will leave it to the kids..to figure things out by themselves

and be able to ignore the spin
and the carrot and the moralising stijch'e

[stick make johan9 sick]

OUG in a world that tells us not to talk about politics we need to understand some just will not.
Some too will not know the events of past generations.;
My last post here mentioned two former Premiers, both left no doubt they had criminal connections.
Unsurprising, a police commissioner went to prison in QLD.
Sir Robin Askin and Neville Wran could have been Mafia heads, goggling Sydney crime in there time , our life time, would shock.
But there is the only sustainable reason not to talk politics, you may find out just how much a fraud it can be.
I am afraid mate we will always differ here I see good politics as getting the result most want, better than that is not possible.
And I too get most upset when minority shakes the majority tree.