http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/blogs/wokkapedia/a-disgrace-to-democracy-not-even-close-20110823-1j833.html
Love them ,hate them, some believe them.
Do shock Jocks have a duty to stay within reach of the truth?
Are they accountable for what they say, should they be.
A parliamentarian must say what may involve self interest in matters before them.
Should shock Jockes and commentators have to reveal their affiliations.

Belly that takes the cake. Even the ABC does not go that far in justifying the unjustifiable.

It is one thing to stop a protest from showing just how large it is, it is another to then use the cooperation of the protesters to then try to belittle them, by claiming it was less than it was. It is a pity for Oz that the convoy was not manned by Frenchmen. They would still be blockading parliament house.

Then we get the article by this left Toddy hack journalist, which is probably counterproductive. All this cr4p does is reinforce the disgust of average people for Labor politics. The disgusting Richardson has been left far in the wake of this lot.

Then to have you praising this behaviour shows every thinking person just how low Labor supporters have got. It is not only a snake or a worm what would have trouble getting lower, even a microbe couldn't get down there.

You lot must be really desperate to share Julia's crown for biggest liar ever with anyone you think you can. Another huge lie doesn't achieve that desire.

Belly,

Even Shock Jocks are challenged when making falsehoods. However, they are free to state their opinions, even when it differs from your "truth".

I rest my case Hasbeen.

Pure arrogance, lies and contempt for ordinary Australians.
And then the despicable disciples come out in force to protect their gangsta masters, it's a disgrace and an insult of the highest order.

Not happy Jan!

witness how the left side of the media abuse their power, and ours are just as bad!

"MSNBC's Ed Schultz Selectively Edits Video To Make Perry Look Racist"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0CRpjPJOEIE

My three detractors.
How do I say this?
Can I say this.
Hasbeen you I can except as ok.
I do not look to any of you for comments that are balanced understanding or even true.
PWEW!
GOT OUT OF THAT!
A shock jock! is in my view a performer, an actor and owns no duty to truth, have you blokes considered it as a job prospect?
The link was not my words, such links exist to many more such story's, I can find not one supporting Alan.
Can you.
Shock jocks plan to? shock.
This one is a former maybe current speech writer for the Liberals.
Unfortunately, far too many, read this thread, believe shock jocks.
Far too many do not question the uttering and mutterings of them.
The highlighted link, look at it, told of a lie a known deliberate lie.
My detractors give no weight to truth.
Is it true.
Is it ok to lie because your cause is popular.
YESTERDAY your leader Abbott was quoted in the house he said *the public does not need to know some things*
My country bleeds,it suffers, because SOME consider any lie can be used against one side.
I offer this thread as it now stands as evidence we have no longer got any intention to even consider those words that once meant so much
Fair Go Mate!

Quite right Belly. "Shock-jocks" are simply actors being paid extremely excessive amounts for stirring up those with minds too feeble to switch off their particular brand of "scream radio!"

However, there are shock-jocks and shock-jocks. Derrin Hinch, love him or hate him, at least appeared to hold some sense of right and wrong. Allen Jones is an entirely different kettle of fish, yet enough people must listen to his rantings. He still has a job and in the world of cut-throat radio, that says something.

It's not the likes of Allen Jones that scares me. It's the fact that so many gullible Australians listen to the rubbish people like Jones spews daily across the airwaves.

I have a friend in Melbourne who hangs on his every word and when he's sprouting about an issue that 'floats her boat' she actually rings him and further inflates his ego. When I visit, his radio show is running in the background all the time, which is one reason I tend not to visit much these days, yet my friend is also someone whom you'd have to call reasonably intelligent. Go figure!

Dear Belly,

The shock jocks can be heard mouthing off
on any controversial issue, particularly if
there are marginalised or victimised people
involved who make easy targets for whipping
up prejudice. Chris Smith, Alan Jones, Jason
Morrison, just to name a few.

The shock jocks don't limit their misinformation
and fear mongering to just one issue (such as
climate change). And the pathetic part is that
they like to pose as if they simply reflect
public opinion.

But their real role is far more insidious.
They whip up fear, prevent open and honest debate,
and in some cases even provoke violence, as
Alan Jones did with the Cronulla riots.

Shadow Minister, Hasbeen -

It's reasonable enough to oppose the carbon tax. It's reasonable to organize your own rally. It's reasonable to bring these truckies from afar and protest for what they believe in. It's reasonable for Alan Jones to appear there.

No argument from me.

What isn't reasonable, is the fact that Alan Jones said that Gillard had made the Australian Federal Police prevent convoys from arriving.

This is false. There wasn't a single truck that was stopped.

http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/jacktheinsider/index.php/theaustralian/comments/alan_jones_greatest_truckin_songs/

Note here, I'm not attacking Jones's right to speak out - but given that this was false, don't you think he should apologize and set the record straight?

Also, when Alan Jones describes this as the greatest ever attack on democracy, wouldn't you say that this is hyperbole?

Would you, or would you not agree that Hitler's Third Reich was a far worse example of an attack on democracy?

Finally, wouldn't you say that when a reporter asked Alan Jones if he was paid to attend the rally, it was not at all reasonable of him to incite the crowd to verbally abuse her? Especially given that Jones has a track record of secretly accepting funds to promote things?

http://media.theage.com.au/news/national-news/alan-jones-intimidates-reporter-at-rally-2575768.html

Three points. I'm curious as to how any of these are in any way justifiable.

Oops, I quoted Jones as saying it was an 'attack' on democracy.

He actually said "it's the most disgraceful thing ever done to democracy".

My mistake.

See, when you make an error, you're supposed to correct it and set the record straight.

That's what credible people do, anyway. Admit their mistakes.

Alan Jones however...

Oh, I think it is a bit of a fashion to attack the "Shock Jocks".
It is all part of the "Look Down Your Nose" at the hoi poloy !

They cannot get too far out of line on the lies dept or they will have
either defamation actions or the SMA down on them.
Someone mentioned conflicts of interest, well ask the Golden Mic about
that as a problem.

The governments long long list of failed projects has made them a fair
target for all that they are now getting. No need for me to list them
as everyone here has discussed them ad infinitum.
The labour supporters have now given up on defending the government
and only have poor Tony left as a target.

The governments attitude to the public is showing through and the
public has noticed it. Frankly it has got to the stage that there is
not much point in either supporting the government or attacking them
as they have become irrelevant.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/entertainment/1051221/alan-jones-tops-sydney-radio-ratings

At breakfast between 5.30am and 9am, 2GB's Alan Jones strengthened his lead, with growth of 1.5 points to 18.7 per cent. Way ahead of second place 702.

So I would guess that as NSW's most popular radio host, people really like listening to what he says. The more incompetent and disrespectful of the voters the Gillard government, the more angry listeners that lap up what he says.

While all the lefties in this thread are having a group moan, the reality is that he does actually reflect the opinions of a large number of people from NSW, whilst Labor does not.

TRTL - In getting permission for the protest, one of the conditions set by the police was that the large trucks not enter the Canberra parliament circle, So technically AJ was correct.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-25/cassidy-what-about-the-hypocrisy-mr-speaker/2854218
I recommend the link, it shows shock jocks live also in Parliament house.
Could have posted a history ten posts long about scandals involving shock jocks, may yet post more.
But this is true, one very well known, got pre paid and trained listeners to ring in, even to abuse him!
To make it more interesting.
Another did just that,with a phone call saying some one was about to kill them selves.
No place to get your information shock jocks.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/airwaves-sizzle-with-burning-indignation-but-shock-jocks-deny-inciting-callers/story-e6frg996-1226016755873
Rebutting my links usually starts with detracting the ABC or Fairfax as an untrustworthy source, [far too likely to be true?]
This links to the Australian.
I think its Worth a look.

Hahaha! belly, you're unbelievable. That last link is just showing you how out of touch you are with the salt of the earth Aussie. The only shocking going on here is your fear of the other side and how most ordinary people disagree with you. Be shocked, belly, because you have a lot to be fearful of with your attitude! The ideology you share with the other lefty nutters around here is unsustainable. When the day comes that you run out of other peoples money, is the day you'll truly be shocked! And that day is drawing nearer by the second under this incompetent bunch of lying ninkumpoops!

Dear Belly,
I think that the ego-ridden shock jocks imagine that they are clever, witty, and worse than that, they think that they are more clever than the average Joe on the street, they are only driven by the poor unfortunates that believe what they say. I cannot stand these Radio idiots that hide behind the microphone and deliver verbal diarrhoea that the poor unfortunates who cannot think for themselves actually believe what they are hearing. 'Tis beyond me.NSB

Noisy, I thought you liked the ABC. You've described that lot to a T.

I don't know much about these "shock jocks" you lefties all hate so much. I'd never listened to any of them until I became curious after listening to them being denigrated on the ABC.

Out of interest I tuned into John Laws, a couple of months before he retired, & could not find any of the stuff the lefties were bitching about.

I could only decide that most lefties never listened to him, & took their opinion on what ABC lefties had told them to think. Taking anything said on the ABC in the last 10 years as anything but propaganda is a big mistake.

This goes for those dreadful AM, The World Today, & PM. Listen for a few days & you can learn to set your watch by the subject being promoted. It goes like this daily. One pro green, one pro academia, one pro aboriginal, another pro green, one anti Abbott, one anti intervention, although this is interchangeable with one pro boat people, & one pro homosexual.

Listen for a couple of days, & you'll learn the time table.

RawMustard you have every right to your views, be careful however, in Ajay's thread and this one.
Not too deeply buried are what I see as threats, an inference for those who will look, that maybe heads one day, will be on sticks.
You will not find me talking to you again.
As always, posters wanting to understand my views about you, need only read your post history.
Shock jock, the term has many meanings,each of us has opinions and I think some have each of the ones I now list.
Shock jocks are actors, mostly rich their task is to bring listeners to hear the advertisements that fund to Media they work for.
Some will say they only channel public opinion.
Others will say they use like a truck uses oil, the disaffected of us, give and promote rash and rude statements from those unable to find other podiums their marginal views.
Some say they are honest folk being insulted by us Lefty's.
Other think like professional Wrestling its an act and the whole idea is to entertain.
Some, we know, are fixed one sided and use the podium to play a fixed and dirty game, promoting one side of politics.
Any one care to tell me our whole Media is not, more and more looking like shock jocks?
Continued.

Opinion polls are the result of asking as few as 1,000 of us our view, save the effort look here.
In OLO I think you can see a mirror in to Australia.
BUT! too an over representation of marginal views from both extremes, any podium that can be used by such will be used.
Tell me these views are not true, my links to Fairfax and ABC are seen as from slanted sides.
Mostly I see the same , not always, in Murdock Media.
Can we both be right/wrong.
Channel nine sacked reporters for? pretending to be doing a live broadcast!
See the link, Wrestling/politics reporting/shock jocks /and inventing acting ?
Any one care to comment on Australian Politics? linked to 24/7 need for story's, talking heads giving their opinions in comments,who may in the end know nothing about the subject?
Is our disdain for one side of politics feeding shock jocks and media in bringing us all down?
Goggle shock jocks, read about a dozen of those links.
Then look at those who here in these pages, see only one side , yet scream unfounded claims it is me who is blind.
She,ll be right mate!
Will it? ever be right again?
Maybe, only if.
If the impending explosion , it will be so, of the implications of favoritism/power/influence/bribes/phone tapping brings a new Media, one that puts country's first not private wealth .
We then may again be able to believe what we hear/see/read/
Last be aware, some who have no other podium will visit, threats will be made but never forget Norway, be aware keep safe.

Dear Belly,
The whole world is a furfie these days, one cannot believe most people, (including Politicians and Shock Jocks). The omission of truth in reporting, is equivalent to telling lies. The News, especially on the commercial channels, is more like a production rather than 'telling how it really is".
People really have to anylise what they are being told, divide it all by 4, and then draw their own conclusions. Sadly, when we see on the news, family tragedies, the News Media turns it into a production, asking the bereaved to hold up photos of their departed loved ones. In my view that act alone is the lowest of the low.
I am glad that I am in the latter part of my life, I wouldn't like to still be alive to witness the depths of duplicity that people might plunge in to., it saddens me, scare campaigns usually do just that,it is not necessary, people have enough to contend with these days, it all should stop. Basically, if you cannot tell the truth, don't say anything at all.
I will put my old soap box away for the day now.
Have a good one Belly,
NSB

Shock jocks grow best in poor soil, most my age do not use computers and do not much look for the truth behind issues.
White males mostly over 30 are fodder for such.
Unaware they head down further reducing their Field of vision, believe every news papers and radio shock jock.
Even the ABC is biased, talking heads free to slant the news, ask other heads silly questions .
It is being used by opponents and supporters too, of every party in this country.
Tell me, what gives insight and understanding to those talking heads we do not have?
Then why the pit bull charges they make on the flimsiest of grounds at all sides.
We suffer an ill ness planted by our grand parents, maybe well meaning maybe as a control.
Generations have been told not to talk about politics or religion, leaving some unsure of very much about them.

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Not too deeply buried are what I see as threats
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Get a grip fool and learn some comprehension skills!

Shock jocks we know are radio commentators who owe nothing to truth.
Who become rich, very rich, by becoming a success in that job.
Entertaining a group, getting more to listen.
I would ask only this, do not think I defend my party!
It is true, surely most under stand, to blindly defend your team is pure blind stupidity.
I contend our media, some quite unknowingly, are promoting their views not the news.
And that news Media, knowing and unknowingly, slants every story.
ABC TV, question time just ended, a cross to the studio, two women,first asks* so it appears the government has been bogged down again by the Thomson affair*
A conversation then takes place and we hear about that side of the debate.
We do not hear about the Liberal senator,but those watching may ask this, why is this man, a possible grub, make that certain, being charged before his trial?
News Media feeds us its version of the news,even at times unitentualy slants the news.
We fall at their feet if they slant it our way but cry if it is the other.
Post the impending world wide scandal we call phone related, we may just get a news service aware of its duty's.
I remind posters some, are not here to talk but to abuse, not to think but to push extremes no one will hear elsewhere.

Belly,
Most shock Jocks identified here are talkback so the opinion broardcast is not just the commentators opinion. It represents a large area of public opinion. You may not like it but it is a democratic opinion. Until we have State censure of expression the facts of freedom of opinion reigns.

Good morning Philo.
I take it as read you are an honest man, most but far from all Christians are.
So if a shock jock is totally anti Christian are his words his right/public opinion.
If he.she wants to wed same sex partner are his/her words still public opinion?
My reason for falling so hard for Christianity are still the same, but I now credit those intentions with the best in mankind, your Bibles authors.
The greatness, wisdom, in those books,equality fairness a one ness of all mankind.
Philo, are you living your belief? if a shock jock constantly insulted every thing you trust and believe in would you still demand that freedom for them.
Truth, no more important thing exists.
Without truth honesty can not breed.
You let it be known your thoughts on Homosexual couples but do you ignore your own principles for those who share your thoughts but not religion?
Shock jocks act,for audience who, sometimes are stone throwers disguised as Crusaders.
In the end we fool our selves if we give no value be it good or bad to the true faults on both sides of any fence.

Belly,
Honesty is the best policy. I believe in a democratic right for every person to hold an opinion, and I will argue my position for what I honestly believe to be true. We should allow people to express their heart so as rhis gives us a honest position of where thet are at.

I do not like much of the irrational pc opinion accepted today, and I try to defend fact as I see.

Philo free speech is a thought but often a dangerous one.
While shock jocks are free to say as they wish I must not.
Want to bet?
One would sue in a second if I spoke about his personal lifestyle.
One called our Prime Minister a lier.
One ranted total untruths about police stopping trucks entering Canberra for the protest.
I have eaten with one who shouts climate change is fraud but paid people to ring in crying so he could get ratings *for a long life saving effort*
Given a Microphone and the freedom to express any view, and to be protected by people like you Philo, if you knew the history of a few, if they publicly saw benefit in talking of their disdain for religion, or about their life style , you may not still hold your views.
Australian politics, American, British, is at its lowest, no party, not one,,is lead well, confronting the real matters of concern.
Yet rather than insist on better we take sides in fights promoted by some who are ?
Speech is not free enough to say just what some are.
Look truly, honestly at your side, in isolation from how bad mine is, tell me why is the hate one sided

Hi Belly,
Times have changed my friend, for the worse. I don't like what I see today, manners have disappeared, Parliament has lost its' bygone dignity,and many reporters tell half of the truth, and make up the other half,
and I have already commented on what I think about shock jocks.
People have sunk to a disgraceful level of greed, and folks unwittingly get caught by scams, some of them losing their life savings.
I reckon that I will be ready to depart this World unless someone stands up and pulls people and their behaviour in to line.
Remember the old saying ..."Stop the world I want to get off?", it really does apply to the present. lets hope that people come to realise that good health and happiness doesn't come in the form of money, they are part of being rich in a different and better way.
Cheers my friend,
NSB

I agree NSB always thought my folks complained too much about the current world compared to them
We have made great things happen, great changes.
But I see shock jocks and our worst sections of the Media as symptoms,a mirror on humanity and our selves.
At a time we need to understand only compromise can result from politics,that no party has all the answers.
We and it baffles me, latch on to views that only one side is right.
Shock jocks evolved out of radios need to reinvent its self.
We had stopped listening to music on the way to work.
My generation after the 60,s to 80,s music was over run by head banging, so a new artistic rabble rousing Audience bringing invention came in to being.
I would love the chance to get behind one of those mikes, bet you would too, we how ever may slant it toward truth,unwanted in show business.

Great Post Belly,
I am not really one for living in the past, except for when I see a lack of manners, overdose of greed, and worse still, the lack of truth in both politicians and some news media. I guess that we have to put up with it my friend, I cannot see any change for the better in the near future. I have just been talking to my other half, and remarked that when a person applies for a job, they have to prove that they can carry out the tasks which the job entails, either by recommendation from past employers, or certification of ability from school etc. This led me to wonder why a student of politics with a degree from University, is deemed fit to be a politician because he a), qualified with no experience b)has enough money to run as a candidate, with some financial help from the 'party', but c), does he/she have the ability to become a politician?, looking at politicians today, one is confronted by lies, implied or not, and a rabble rousing mob that behaves like school kids when the teacher leaves the room for five minutes. Honesty has disappeared from society in some areas of life.
Have a good one Belly,
NSB

What is more amazing is some people buy into it and get whipped up into some pretty nonsensical frenzies. This can happen on both sides of many debates depending on the players at the time.

I suppose with shock jocks like Alan Jones you know where he stands and he has a right to a voice, and lets face it he is his own worst enemy. You only had to look at his attempts to intimidate those at the rally last week when it was pointed out his allegations or assertions police had stopped trucks on the highway to explain the low turnout was untrue. Even one truck driver said they were only held up for a couple of minutes.

Can't see the point in spinning this to be an anti-truck-convoy conspiracy, it is not unreasonable to expect these demonstrations are over-publicised but the reality is many truck drivers and organisations don't have the time to rally even if they support the cause.

Let the shock jocks speak for it is their words that will make them or break them and usually for most it is the latter.

I once drove trucks, some in my family still do.
A mate was once head of a lorry owner drivers group, a protest group.
I still help out a few fathers.
In fights to see the children they love and even some die for, not being able to see them
Have a few each week stop and walk in to have a Coffee get info on a paper,stuff like that.
Most have opinions I could not state, about Gillard and Jones.
But red neck radio has them beleiving some true junk.
If we do not pull out of this dive into stupidity, taking these biased uninformed or all too well informed but intent on deception jocks?
We just have to except some are too involved in just living to start learning.

Ahh yes Belly & NSB, we are indeed hoisted by our own petards.
The way that government of all colours if not lying but not telling
the truth is where major problems lie.
I can give one example from published and admitted info.

The UK government commissioned a report on peak oil and Britains
future oil supplies.
It was not a publically announced report and did not go
into parliament when delivered to the government.
The government was aked about Britain's oil supply future they gave
the Bejelkie Petersen answer, "Now don't you worry" all is well.

When asked by the Guardian newspaper for the paper the government
denied its existence. The Gaurdian took out a freedom of information
request which was refused and the Guardian had to take it to court to
get the paper released.

The paper showed that Britain is truly well into future oil supply
problems. That the government was prepared to lie and hide the truth
from the public is about as bad as it can get on something with such
serious consequences.

The US government put pressure on the International Energy Authority
to hide its knowledge of oil depletion rates and the truth did not
come out until a whistle blower left the IEA employment.

Now nearer to home it is known that Martin Ferguson is aware of the
situation but cannot speak out due to cabinet solidarity.

This sort of thing I think is what you were refering to Belly and it
is common to all parties. Even the greens have aknowledged peak oil
but have not spoken on specifics. They are toeing the political line
on that matter.

This is just one subject that I happen to know about.
How many times is that government and opposition policy ?
Just thought of two other similar cases;
The use of 434 Mhz for car door locks, pushed onto Australia by the
Europeans. Have you locked your car on Black Mountain
and been unable to unlock it or start it ?
That and BPL can be laid at the door of the Howard government.

Bazz much of what you say is true aware of the black mount thing.
I contend, truly believe, lies are part now of every thing in life.
Shock jocks can point to any political party as reference.
Some clearly more at home in the kitchen make statements in the media, without even under standing it is bending the facts.
I watch Jones today, again on the ABC.
He is a person best left alone he sues at the drop of a hat and while free to lie and rabble rouse I may not be free just to say he repels me, every thing about him.

Yes, well said Belly,
Sometimes you only have to have looked at someone 'side-ways' and they will sue the pants off you.
We had an incident in Perth a couple of years ago whereby some stupid coot was drinking in a Perth bar, he got so drunk he couldn't find his thongs, so he went to where the pub BBQ was, purchased two port chops, tied them to his feet and went slipping around the floor, he lost his footing, banged his head on a bar stool, then on the tiled floor, a few days later he decided to sue the publican for having unsafe stools and floors.....wait for it.....he won his case., such is the mentality of some people, of course the lawyers pull on these cases, who wouldn't when they can charge like a wounded bull, knowing full well that the publican had nothing to do with it all, man oh man, the world has gone crazy.Then I heard Bob Hawke once saying that lawyers should all be called Liars, maybe he was right.
Enjoy your evening Belly,
NSB

In the background the ABC National 24 hour news is on.
Proving yet again it is in fact about ten hours news repeatedly repeated.
That meant I saw Alan Jones for about the tenth time, BULLYING other media reporters.
He,as is his want,was using that terminological inexactitudes he so often does.
And for this? his ability to give us his opinion, as remote from honest comment as you can get we made him a millionaire?
Yes NSB seen that,a lady in a country pub used the floor under her seat ,lets leave it there,then sued and won after being barred.
No wounder we distrust lawyers.

Re Jones & Bolt, beware of shooting the messenger.

Bolt in particular seems to try hard to get his facts right.
BTW, several people rang both Jones & Bolt and said they saw and were
in the trucks that were stopped at the border.

Could it be that we were lied to from parliament ?
That would never happen, err would it ?

Bazz
Parliament had nothing to do with it. Regardless of your stance on this issue, you have to see Jones's is whipping up a load of unsubstantiated allegations to support his cause and to make up for the perceived lack of support. I am against the Carbon Tax for many reasons but the last thing the debate needs is someone like him to diminish the debate to circus status.

The implication is that police stopped trucks at the border to diffuse the rally which would of course be a denial of the democratic process. The police did no such thing. The only restriction or traffic management was with movements around the Parliamentary Ring Rd, which if you know Canberra would cause severe traffic restrictions and block access to Parliament House.

Even the truckies who were stopped for a few minutes said on camera the it was for about '3 minutes' and there was no talk of them not going to the rally.

People lose all sense of reason when their 'side' of an issue has to face some scrutiny. Jones' attack on the two reporters who tried to correct his false allegations was to whip up the crowd using strawman arguments rather than sticking to the facts. It was painful to watch.

Pelican,
Well I was not there so I cannot state from my own knowledge.
There is a problem in that both sides of the argument can be right.
It could be a matter of time. At one time they were stopped and at
another time they were not stopped.
Which was first and which second ?

If they were never stopped it mean several people all went to the
trouble to ring up and lie. Possible, but -- ?

After long experience of exposure to the media I have learnt to listen
through the noise. Pick out the snippets, they are there.

Typical lefty spin.

If someone drives a thousand or two kilometers, to make a point with their truck convoy, then is denied access to a public road, the very public road where the TV cameras were sighted, that is a restriction of their rights.

Once again, if the cops tried that in France, there would be burning cops cars all over the place.

Perhaps it's time the right got a bit more militant.

Time they learned to come up with a good slogan, too. This "Shock Jock" thing is just a smart slogan from the lefty ABC "B" grade bunch, who can't beat ,[or even equal them], & won't join them, so want to denigrate them.

I must admit the left are good at denigration, about the only thing they are good at.

Hasbeen,
I despise not the Shock Jocks personally, but the dirt that they stir up,I was brought up to be truthful, now I know that every one tells white lies, in order not to hurt/offend others. But blatant lying is beyond the pale, no matter who the perpetrators are.
I still maintain that there should be truth in reporting, not this continual diatribe of mis-truth.
By the way, I am not a lefty, never have been, and never will be. Most lefties tend to be self-serving, and only interested in themselves instead of that which benefits the majority . Both sides of the political divide either blatantly lie, or bend the truth by omission, and frankly I am tired of it all.
NSB

Bazz owner drivers have to work just to pay installments.
TOO many finance home, truck, and 4x4 , and the truck must work to pay, it fails to do so most times.
Company's may have donated thousands in fuel and costs.
But you said it, you just do not know! and it is true, trust me not one truck, not a single one was stopped from going.
Hasbeen scape's the very bottom of the barrel, or just like you, comments on something he knows nothing about.
Do not please put those two shock jocks in print as other than the spin they are.
Spin, some here hurl it about but please! if you have not done the job know the facts know far less had any interest in going than did.
And that Alan Jones knew he was lying as he said those words.

Belly said;
trust me not one truck, not a single one was stopped from going.

How do you know ? Were you there ? Were you at the border ?
If you were not there how do I know that I can trust you ?
Are you saying some labour appartchic told you so ?

Are you saying I am repeating some shock jock spin or are you repeating
some labour spin ?

My suggestion was that both could be right, or is that spin ?

It's incredible how someone who wasn't there can categorically state they know the facts. It is a typical response from the left, nothing but a bunch of lairs trying to reduce the damage they have brought upon themselves and this country in the past few years. These fools may well go down in Australian history as the biggest bunch of liars, cheats, fraudsters and thief's of the 21 century. They will be remembered for millennia as the scum of Australian politics!

And that report today that climate change is going to cause people to suffer depression, anxiety and other mental illnesses and lead them to an increased use of anti depressant drugs and suicide is so true. Only not for not tackling climate change. But for actually having to endure the down and out lies from this bunch of snake oil salesmen day in and day out for the past few years Ad nauseam!

http://www.smh.com.au/national/australian-apologises-to-pm-for-milnes-false-claims-20110829-1jhuk.html
Only six months ago there would not have been a with drawal.
Then, even now to some extent, the reporters from this section of the media, have shock jocks within the ranks.
Next week, in far away England.
Parliament returns from its rest.
That may be why this unexpected act took place.
It will be,the start of a title wave.
After it?
But because of England's inquiry, we all may just benefit after the damage from that wave is over.
A truly free press/media? great if it comes.

Bazz I will answer you, you do not deliberately insult.
Mate how do you know why your radio is a transceiver both transmits and receives.
How do you know how long a wave length is.
[We both are ham radio operators]
Bazz, look, read the press, it is still free here on line, I have this morning posted links.
From the Australia, Sydney Herald, Sydney Telegraph.
Read Goggle news Australia, NZ, Canada English, US,bit of a flop , London Guardian , Telegraph.
ABC Australian site BBC New York times, chuck in WA and Victorian paper.
Bazz if we try we can take our brain to the grave with us.
I am addicted to learning,everyday I hunt information, CHALLENGE MY OWN VIEWS.
I can do this 13 years old till 65 I worked ,every hour minute second it took to do the job.
Its my hobby my new life, I break soon for my garden.
But I can post links, from every Australian city, saying clearly no single truck EVER WAS STOPPED FROM ATTENDING.
Mate, this we both must learn,truth is far too valuable to drag in the mud of politics, the truth is Alan Jones is no man known for balance or truth.
While I live I grow, I do challenge My views do you?
I invite you to look again at this issue, without looking for me to lie on behalf of my party,can you put truth first and goggle the incident?

Some of you posters are unbelievable. Truckies interviewed have not stated they were held up at the border. Media Watch did a piece on this last night. One truckie said the line up outside the border was 'planned' so that trucks could meet up and all drive in together. The organiser denies there was a hold up and has said Jones' was mistaken.

This is typical right wing shock jock spin people pure and simple. Don't be mugs.

How is this spin doctoring any better than the ALP and the Thompson affair. At least in that case there has to be a presumption of innocence. No such concession to the police in the ACT who did not hold up trucks at the border. The congestion that morning was mininal. Many people took the day off to avoid the publicised chaos which did not happen. Trucks did circle Parliament House and toot their horns (I heard them) but the only road which did not have access was the road up to the House and that had to be kept clear to allow access into and out of Parliament House.

This is what is wrong with politics - everyone jumps up and down when a commentator or pollie from the opposing 'side' errs but acts all coy and hard done by when their 'side' is picked up for falsifying events. No wonder the politicians keep up with the bullshite.

Sheesh...a bit of perspective would not go astray.

Pelican

The explanation lies within the amygdala - apparently an overly developed pair produces too much of the "danger, danger, Will Robinson" hormone and results in reason being abandoned for extreme reaction. Such as the shock jock.

http://tinyurl.com/6d2ys7g

Not always good to have a big pair.

;D

Ammonite, I hope they find a cure soon or there will be nothing left but conspiracy theories. :)

Pelican
Tee-hee,
NSB

Grinning still at those three posts, an unwanted intrusion, truth!
My poor education while at school did not stop me doing some interesting things in life.
The NSW RTA had a great training program.
I was trained as a workplace trainer, I learned every day as much as I presented.
One thing, never under estimate some people ability to? not under stand.
Union delegate/team leader/ganger I presented a training pack on taking less sick leave.
Most left with around 100 sick days not taken and not paid.
But some, took every single day after pay day of!
Not one of them did not abuse me for high lighting they would in time be convicted on the evidence of this pattern.
Australian Politics hings on those about 12% who truly do not have the energy to find out what the truth is.
A chances exists, we can be saved, if Gillard with draws her threat to leave Parliament if replaced.
And if only Tony Abbott is shown in the same inventive and constructed way the media shows Labor.

I do not know, truly, am I better to walk away every time from this.
Or are my protests a considered defense of free speech?
Today Shadow Minister twice called another poster a lie teller.
Raw Mustard?
What can be said about that long rant?
Most walk away, for the sake of peace.
May be I should.
Because in the end I put no value on any thing the poster says.
But never will I stop defending my right, others right,his/her right.
To say what they think, even if it is rubbish like that.

You just have to laugh:) don't you. With-out the shock-jocks, you lot would have nothing to live for. Truth comes in many shapes and forms, and the best truth, is the one truthful point/s that everyone's afraid, or not having "the big ones" as someone put so nicely:) Of those that know the play so well, (the online bullies thread) can see Alan Jones for what he is.....and its entertainment or food for thought.

Could you imagine if no colour was in tabloids....haft of the employed makers of news etc....would be out of work.......and not to mention, giving lives to those that don't have one:) you know the type....:)

Long live the conspiracies:)

Now go and put your slippers on, throw the cat out, and get a big cup of hot choc, then rub in the arthritis medication...( typers cramps,) and get ready for the big day coming.......:)

Family guy:)...."where's the paper boy?.....I haven't seen the paper boy for a while, lol...

Shock Jocks! The question is bellies, can you live with out them:)?

Cactus

"I must admit the left are good at denigration, about the only thing they are good at."

Hasbeen, although the irony of this statement detracts from your argument, it's delicious nonetheless and I salute you for it.

Cactus this will be our only communication.
A chance exists I know you, rare to find such as your diatribes as comment.
I want to help, consider this, are you sure only your thoughts have value.
Do you think your self more understanding than us.
Is there any chance you may be wrong.
No Further Correspondence thanks, I come for debate, conversation, to learn not for advice from over the over bearing .
Hasbeen, left? you sir, based only on your comments, must come to terms with the truth.
Every one, is left of you, how are the day Lillie's going? how much are they worth up there.

Cactus this will be our only communication?.....well that's going to be a little hard since your asking mutable questions, isn't it:)

A chance exists I know you, rare to find such as your diatribes as comment.....you know, I was thinking the same thing myself:)

?I want to help, consider this, are you sure only your thoughts have value.....not at all bellies, I regard everyone's comments as a valued space for examination/communicational benefit and yours is always welcome.

?Do you think yourself more understanding than us.
Is there any chance you may be wrong......well of course anyone can be wrong bellies, and I wouldn't be human without making some mistakes, and as your one of the main speakers here on OLO, I know your regard for high quality, which is admirably in anyone's world.

I hope we can speak again.

Cactus

Please note and understand, based on your rude and crude style of posting.
That was no Question, note no question mark.
It was and remains a statement.
Free speech/comment is worthy of defense.
Sometimes that defense should start with reminder manners , at least possession of some, is no handy cap.

My observations are there are equally denigrating comments from the Left and the Right. It comes from having different views and to some extent the diatribe is always directed at the extreme ends of both which is funny given that most people tend to sit at the centre and topple to the right or left to varying degrees. There are very few RW or LW extremists.

That is why the shock jocks are so amusing because they tend to be prey on people's hidden fears and create outrage and angst from very little, like a magician pulling a rabbit out of a hat. Or should that be an Abbott out of a hat (maybe Bob Katter's hat).

Sorry couldn't resist.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/blogs/rocco-bloggo/mayhemdisaster-and-revolution-20110901-1jn5j.html
This link is far closer to the true than almost anything we see/hear or is reported in our Media.
It has a line about shock jocks, yet reminds me those few are just some.
Our Media ALL OF IT, has become shock jocks in a way.
Influencing bending, twisting public opinion,by using their thoughts and ideas, as comment, disguised as informed views.
This is not a defense of the ALP.
Not an attempt to highlight Tony Abbott's crew.
I make this plea, we, those of us who have the ability to understand, must demand far better from a cracked and broken news reporting system.
No better place to start,just to prove balance, than ABC Radio/TV the talking heads, often women.
So very often putting Labor on the wrack, with pointed comment coming from the Mother instinct and presented as public opinion.
Labor and the greens,are going to be driven in to a period of wandering in the wilderness.
In part by these ABC Lady's who manufacture views unrelated to true public opinions.
At least we know true shock jocks slants, the danger is far more from uninformed MUMS

Hells bells, Belly - now you're dumping on the mums.

Here's a tip - I spent a most enjoyable decade or so critiquing John Howard and his merry band of "born to rule" acolytes. How rewarding it was when he spectacularly overestimated his staying power and appeal and was duly dispatched in such style.....there I was waiting for Labor to fulfill the promise of all those years in the wilderness....well, we all know what's happened since.

I note that you appear to be insinuating something derogatory in the fact that "MUMS" (as you put it) are able to vent their opinion in the national media. I'm a mum....do ya reckon I have the smarts to string a few words together in any valuable sense of commentary or criticism?

If Labor is being put through the wringer by mums or whoever, it's because they deserve it.

Not an unexpected reply Poirot
You are female I male.
Swinging the verbal stone at men is ok.
Not forgetting to insinuated some crimes are mens.
But I must not say, ever, some women God bless them think as mums do.
Not my son/Daughter/kids or look at those poor kids on that boat lets get them inside.
Rude of me, sexist too, must not mention the odd female acquaintance who has a mate for a husband and three others for sexual companions.
OK however to highlight us blokes.
Me first I am typical racist hard hearted man, gee want to stop the boats!
Get a stick and chase me under the veranda! I actually think most Muslims with full covered faces should be deported!
Bit tender there Poirot, I would be the one opening your door getting your drink defending you against any threat but too walking away if you tried to order me around.
I could say I will attempt to pretend I think other but sorry mums, even my own, do not know every thing. or do dads.
Or ABC Greens lady taking heads

http://www.smh.com.au/national/daniels-bones-within-reach-five-years-ago-20110903-1jr9d.html
Very mild to appear in such a thread?
Maybe not.
In this thread and in others, I and others have questioned Journalism.
Is this story,in part a construction.
Is there an attempt, a mild one, to say police did some thing wrong.
I want to post just a few such story's and ask the question again.
What is news,comment, and what is the reason I at least, am un sure of the answer?

http://www.smh.com.au/world/cia-links-to-gaddafi-revealed-20110903-1jrfb.html
A lot more substance in this link.
I promise to behave myself, well try to.
But here in this link is fodder for a thousand conspiracy's.
Tens of anti American story's.
From this story the future could be filled with the USA is evil thoughts.
But DIPLOMACY,remember long before we knew of spying the world had it.
And it spy-ed and reported back every word.
Any country, in the G7 or group of 20, in whole world, uses spies.
And any of them, have right now, contacts even with its enemy's.
Is our news constructed.
Yes, is it biased, yes but is it also true that far too many can not understand this, sadly also true.
In LYBIA this morning, flying around in the wind or laying in vaults maybe blood splattered in the street, is evidence every country in the world had such ties.

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/abc-dumps-milne-from-insiders-20110903-1jrsa.html
I have no time, not at all, for this man.
Worse however than him appears on this program.
ABC its self while not as honest about its biases as this man and that other.
Could do well to look closely at.
Questions asked, comments made by its talking heads.
A close look, independently, at those folk, in my view will show a clear bias toward greens

http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/rightwing-radio-falling-on-deaf-ears-in-melbourne-20110903-1jrmn.html
Hope, no Melbourne, and I am from NSW, is just a little more Australian.