In this thread we explore the machine of animal welfare in Australia.
We look at the policy's and agendas of these groups and search for answers to questions for a better arrangement to work with farmers and industry. Do they work with everybody interested to improve animal welfare. How can we achieve a better outcome working with the farming industry? .

IF*..."everyone'..was intrested in animal welfare
we wouldnt need to name it or organise others to do it
cause EVERYONE is allready doing it...[but not everyone will]

you give people litle to work with
thus limit the scope of your own topic

""We look at the policy's and agendas
of these groups""

no links?
who is 'we' tonto?

are we responding to policy
or creating it..or looking for money to police it?

""and 'we'..search for answers to questions
for a better arrangement to work with farmers and industry.""

so arnt invested in policing individual cruelties?
a better arrangement..than what?
what is the current arrangment?

somehow this is like the questions kids ask
when they just want to cut and paste their homework
we are doing for them

""Do they work with everybody interested to improve animal welfare.""

im not sure
do we?
do they
if every/body did..we wouldnt need to

""How can we achieve a better outcome
working with the farming industry?""

let them recieve money
thats how govt does it

or not recieve glory
for high performance..by low acts

make them feel
they too..are being watched
by watchdogs that arnt scared of lawyers..talking their 'cli-ants'..out of trouble..by sending the watchdog broke..with court costs

Under one God

I think a quick Google search & a bit of research of the organizations I have mentioned is enough to see their different policy's. May people are already aware but pls feel free to view on line

*you give people little to work with*

Ok, I am in agreement with you if everybody worked to improve animal welfare the world would be a better place.

I am wondering if we have not set a feeling of groups against farmers- for to improve animal welfare its vital we work with the farmers.
I am looking at program's that could be adopted to give farmers alternatives & support to find a better way of doing things.


*or not receive glory
for high performance..by low acts*

Sorry I am not sure what you refer to?

*make them feel
they too..are being watched
by watchdogs that arnt scared of lawyers..talking their 'cli-ants'..out of trouble..by sending the watchdog broke..with court costs* Same as above. What are you referring to pls?

In the mean time I would like to point out there is one person in Australia who has / is a good example of the way RSPCA should be run. That man is the CEO RSPCA QLD Mr Mark Towend. Attending meetings with farmers overseas investors QLD Government Muslim Leaders he 100% supports a closer relationship between farmer/ buyer/ animal welfare. I believe the key to success is to have plans in place to offer farmers alternatives before setting about to do anything else.

If we care enough about the animals i put it to others that its something we not only could do but must do.

Give a farmer a good price and secure supply chain and you are always going to get much further. We need to make friends with these people not enemies. Farmers do not have the contacts to set up new industries- others do but say it isn't their jobs

Perhaps we should consider going the extra mile for the sake of the animals and farmers to0.

That is my point UOG

RSPCA National imop do not share the same attitude at RSPCA QLD CEO.
They have for many years refused to work with the only Muslim Animal Welfare organization in Australia. RSPCA National have ignored a request by these people to send them whatever paper work required so they can sign off opposing ritual slaughter.

Given the press reports about their problems with Mr Ikebal Patel and the 15 abattoirs now operating in Australia using ritual slaughter methods you may have thought that would be something they would welcome with open arms- but no.

RSPCA National & Animals Australia, WSPA have also for years refused to meet with Muslim Leaders to discuss their programe to phase out live exports. Given their interest in this most people would have to wonder why?

Surely Heather if you want ritual slaughter stopped you would want the support of people in the position to support RSPCA.

RSPCA National did sent some inquiry information to be submiitted
to the inquiry into ritual slaughter at our request. After the poor old Dr printing out over 100 pages& filling out- We find there is no inquiry into ritual slaughter.

Upon sending that back to RSPCA National- silence

Are RSPCA National racist -? I dont know and i doubt thats the problem

But Heather Lyn & others if your dinky die about wanting to stop ritual slaughter & phase out live exports why would you refuse to assistance of people in the right places to assist AA & RSPCA National?

Or is there another agenda - because TBO plenty of people are now highly offended

Do we offend farmers & AU Muslim leaders to improve Animal Welfare AA & RSPCA National

Pls tell me how that helps the Animals.

kerryanne..quote.."*or not receive glory
for high performance..by low acts*""

so many people do 'things'..for a medal
or for a nightHOOD..or queens honours
ie not motivated to do bad things..just for money
and punishment...shouldnt be money..unless the cruelty was in persute of money

most who keep animals LOVE their animals
but by the same token their are those..WHO RECIEVE JOY..
get their kicks from suffereing...[hell is full of them]

thats the INTENDED cruelty we need to end
BUT the hatrdest to catch or 'fix'

then there is the cruelty from..ignorance
[those who only need be made of the dangers
to them...as well as their pets..;ie who just need education]

""*make them feel
they too..are being watched
by watchdogs that arnt scared of lawyers..
talking their 'cli-ants'..out of trouble..by sending the watchdog broke..with court costs*..

What are you referring to pls?""
if you got a good lawyer...he/she uses the law
to send the watchdog [rspca]..broke...
[forcing their last cent into a lawyers payday]

they KNOW how to get the watchdog off their back
[send them broke...make them broke in court fees]
the watchdog soon leaves you alone

[noting it wernt rspca that revealed the cattle cruelty]

""In the mean time I would like to point out
there is one person in Australia who has/is a good example
of the way RSPCA should be run.""

thats a huge call

a lot to expect off one man
did he research into cattle cruelty?

he sounds like he was in the right *place
but
was he doing the right things?
[he was with...'the right people']

""We need to make friends
with these people not enemies.""

no
WE NEED TO PROTECT ANIMALS FROM GRUELTY
from cradle to grave

""Perhaps we should consider
going the extra mile..*for the sake of the animals""

yes i agree

""and farmers to0.""

now you just went too far..!

in trying to do TOO much
you give little..less..to the true reason for being
ie speaking up for the rights of the beast..
to live a reasonable safe secure life..

to allow it*
to be the best..beast..a beast can be

by protecting it ..from sadists

ignorant fools..thinking god dont sustain them
[ie animals]..their 'life' too

god is known..knowable..by his signs
life is a sure sign...[of good...[god]]..

[that we do..to the least]
we do to god....

That is my point kerryanne

in one word
what is this about

*ANIMAL rights*
[if the animal litagant looses his court case
let the beast pay..

proci-cute..on behalf of the beast!
the beast owns the cost..get the benifit

people allready got too many expensive lawyers
protecting...lol..""the farmers rights'..

[their rights..come from
the rights..they gave back to the least,...[the beast]

From what I have seen of the RSPCA in recent years I'd say they have taken on a similar jackboot persona to Greenpeace, & their only interest is fund raising.

If the RSPCA were to appear around here I would expect quite a few dogs to be put on them, & I'm sure those dogs would treat them with all the respect they deserve.

Dear Hasbeen,
point noted on the fund raising, but remember RSPCA are the only hands on Animal Welfare organization & it does cost.
I am sure many smaller animals would be worse off if it were not for them. & They admit they couldn't do it without volunteers. I opened this thread to see how we could improve animal welfare - look at some heads & at the structure of RSPCA National & others. See if they represents everybody views.If not explore the possibility for Government to set up a register on a ongoing basis to allow *all Australians to voice their opinions suggestions & concerns. Ask more questions as to their policy ie are RSPCA National under instructions not to work with others- or is it personality of heads of staff. RSPCA are after all a pretty public organization- in so much as they reply on public support & donations.
I am looking for answers that would explain the aggression towards other animal lovers.

One would think the more animal lovers - the better..

one under god,
I am sure you mean well but i cant follow that type of posting. As for God my personal thoughts are I cant see how any God can allow his animals to suffer so long. But at least you just reminded me George Pells office have again ignored letters asking them to speak out for Gods creatures. Thanks Also if you dont mind I am a bit over religion atm of any kind. I prefer people to get off their bums and do something to help animals than preach from a book- any book & I believe it is every decent human beings responsibility to do the right thing by our animals. That is despite region or race. If you can possibly comment leaving *all gods out of it that would be appreciated.
Cheers

Kerryanne about 8 years ago a number of us contacted the RSPCA regarding a half a dozen horses in a paddock, where the dam was totally dry. A neighbour had 4 of his 44 gallon drums placed against the fence, which he topped up daily, to supply them water. The owner would do nothing.

That is exactly what the RSPCA did also,absolutely nothing. Finally, when the neighbour was running out of water himself, someone let them out onto the road, & the council had to act.

A few months later, with us still deep in drought, the RSPCA took a sledge hammer, to a young land holder who had taken on more discarded horses than his property could handle, & more than he could really afford to feed.

They came with the TV cameras, got their fund raising effort, but did stuff all to help any one.

I not only wouldn't feed them, I would definitely put my dogs on them. You will be very hard put to convince me there is a single animal lover in the lot of them. People haters yes, but animal lovers, no way.

Hasbeen

Truth is Hasbeen I know a high% are slack but they do get thousands of calls too. My own horse got stuck in a creek about 18 months ago right in the thick of the TV show RSPCA rescue& right around the locations of filming the show. Called RSPCA ambulance driver not interested i swear. Ended up getting fire brigade- great guys- saved him. Lost him 6 months ago had him 30 years.
The biggest problem imop with RSPCA especially National office is they operate like the secret service imop- but more like comedy capers.
How many painful interviews have i listened to over the years with people like Heather talking about Halal. But they WONT let Muslim people explain & very interesting do not want to- refuse to in fact inform the public Muslims want live exports banned,. Refuse to tell anybody there IS a programe to faze out live & replace with chilled.
Point blank refused to post on their web site the proud motion passed in Congress by Muslims to Ban Live Exports.
Refused to take petition with 7 thousand or signatures on it supporting RSPCA
So yeh you tell me-- All we can do is raise our concerns now at inquiry and in the media. Ten years enough is enough.

PS Oh& RSPCA National are not interested in their offer to sign something to say Muslim leaders support RSPCA pre stunning either

Nope No talk Go away- Nasty towards these kind offers of help
Well Heather etc every dogie has his day- or hers because we dont need consent to help animals from you.
Your imop a poor example of what RSPCA should be.

i agree that religeon is perverted
just the fact they ignore suporting animal rights
reveals they dont get..what christ came here to tell us..

its not my format of writing that is difficult to read
but the way i am forced to write it..[i have been suspended 3 or 4 times..purely because of my writing style...this style is my latest attempt to not get suspended...for poor writing skills]

but se how its my ignorance
that causes your annoyance
[quite simply im making it up as best i can as i go]

but so too are those ignorant fools

[ie religeon..that wont suport being nice
to the greater part of gods creation..;the beasts]
AS MUCH AS THOSE..IGNORANTLY BEING CRUEL

we each are doing the best we can
with what we each have..

so the rspca..needs to pay lawyers..to procicute or educate
[the fact is education is only a fraction..of the cost of procicuting]

so educate...[not by shock and awe]
much of the imagry...of hurt or injured animals
simple meets the needs of the animal perverts...[as much as child porn..feeds the needs of child perverts]..

earlier you put up a name...as deserving honour
[im ignorant of why he would need such honours...as i know the real joy is in saving a beast from cruelty...

or preventing other animals from systematic suffering...[like bleeding animals to death..without stunning them]..and other things we NOW realise to be cruel..

but we must recall the ignorant..do things in ignorance
that we first need to survive[eat]..before we can even begin to think of feeding others..

[we now have the luxury..
of freezers full of dead animal flesh]
but give little thought to the living beast

you may dislike me using religeous sounding words
but think of these words as being the way...for the rspca..to actually better do its job...[and wake up the sleeping priesthood]

that we do to the least
[ie that we do to ignorant dumb animals]
we do to the most

ie
WE...DO...
TO...god..[the most]..

till we stop needless suffering..

UPON EVERY*..LIVING BEING..[not thing]
ie ANY suffering..upon any/ALL LIFE..we fail

we fail as buddists
we fail as xtians..
we fail as muslims...
BECAUSE we failed gods prime law

'thy shalt not murder'
[its not*..thou shalt not kill]
we must in time BE MADE TO SEE...[maybe even via rspca adverts]

that we do..*to beast
we do..*to god

normally i would go into other issues
that also need to be done..

indeed will be done..
very soon
but you cant even see...god MADE "LIVING" BEASTS..[fauna]
god made "living" flora..[the next step...is
life lives..because god lives]

and the deciete of 'evolution'...*doing it
is just another godless theory..to steal from god
just like religeons steal from god..by placing creed/greed

materialism.. before god..[good]
the parrable of ables sacrifce of a first born sheep
was ONLY pleasing to god..because he as a good sheppard..put fat on his lamb

[as the rspca would kNOW
where there is fat..USUALLY there is..no cruelty]

dont give up on this topic
this is about putting the fat on all gods fauna
not mindlessly tearing it out

[its about recognisation of any beast...
as being equally..given its life...from god]

thus held sacred..

by giving polititions reason..
to question their priests...as serving gods good
[gods creations]..equally/fairly..

loving thy neighbour

even if he is a beast

www.aph.gov.au/senate/committee/rrat_ctte/completed_inquiries/2004-07/animal_welfare05/submissions/sub03.pdf

www.aph.gov.au/senate/committee/rrat_ctte/completed_inquiries/2004-07
animal_welfare05/submissions/sub03.pdf

1. In Western Australia, there are two members on the Committee who allegedly have interests in the live export trade, in breach of the National RSPCA’s (and indeed the WA State RSPCA’s) stance against the trade. On “Four Corners”, it was further alleged that the President
2 “Animal Law in Australia” Sharman K
3 Animal Welfare Act (Tasmania) 1993, 2002
and CEO had deliberately withheld vital information from the Committee in relation to a legal challenge that the welfare group Animals Australia intended to bring against the live export trade.
2. In Tasmania, a shipment of about 57,000 sheep and lambs was sent from Devonport in January 2004. Several days before the ship was due to arrive, an executive from RSPCA NSW (Steve Coleman) was sent to Tasmania, and he held a “closed door meeting” with the live export agents, the ship’s agents, the feedlot owners and the Tasmania Police. Amongst the outcomes of this meeting was the determination of an exclusion zone, and an appeal to “protesters” “not to do anything to compromise the welfare of the animals”. Protesters accordingly remained outside the wharf area, stopping each truck for a maximum of 30 seconds and photographing “breaches of standards”. They also reported the breaches by mobile phone to RSPCA officers at the wharf, but none was acted upon.
It was reported to me by eye-witnesses that there were “sheep down on trucks”, overcrowding, and “sheep with eyes hanging out”, as well as “lambs still crying for their mothers”. The AMIEU State Secretary reported that there were lambs of between 6 and 12 weeks of age loaded, and that the RSPCA only attended for about 50% of the duration, and did not attend the feedlots at all, these reports being strongly denied by Steve Kons, the Minister for Primary Industry, Water and the Environment here in Tasmania, who also claimed that there were no breaches of Tasmanian Animal Welfare standards, even after being sent these photographs.
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forgive me for killing you
softly
[or hard]...god gives us life
who are we to abuse this gift by murder

but i see your eyes have glazed over
and your ears have gone deaf
[never the less..lets just get this killing done]

see we...[as well as the beast's]..are of 3 parts

we are flesh/blood...living beings[ie in our mortal bodies]
but we are also a life sustaining force[called living spirit]
we are also id...[that we think ourselves to be]
[and often what others 'judge us to be']

im wending my way through this maze[as are you]as are we all
we are spirits...having our karmic life sentance
some as man...others as beast

look at it as a master/slave...experience
where higher evolved spirit's...have earned a higher incarnation
[some as masters...others as slaves][ie some as 'man'..others as 'beast']

im keeping 'religeon'..out of this picture
picture the actuality...its you..[being you]..
ie either a master or a slave..either man/beast

and gods life essence
sustaining you your living
god sustains you your life..regardless if master or slave

that we do...to the least living...[slave]
we do to the goood god sustaining EVERY life their living

im unsure..of how halal or koasha..killing is different
[all death is murder]..thus the need to pray over our killed food
[that died so we can live]

life is a 'sign' of god
where any live is..there god is
thus is all life sacred...its not any morality choice
its all about life...[and the goods of living]...and endings
[except there is no ending...as the holy books reveal...'more shall be given]

i will explain further
but get over...being important
who more important..the words or the writer?
the words or the works?

we wrong the beast in doing 'murder'
yet by the same measure..by giving a fast end
create a new beginning...

its the quality of the middle bit..
that is our life experience..[our gift]

that reveals the god
good..within every living thing..

look at the death
as only a new oppertuinity..to earn a higher incarnation
that suffering is a thing of the ignorant unthinking beast

not a thing they knowingly 'earned'...
yet given equal..as much/given...as each can appriciate
gods good life gift...as much as we can handle..

to use or ab-use
as we chose

freewill freechoices is/are supreeem
forcing a beast to slaughter is murder
regardless if stunned or not...

the important issue is
the degree of INTENDED suffering
how much did the murder/er...intend the murder
for what reason...with what feelings in their heart

the rspca..is good at the little things
but stands helpless against the big guys

its important..to make this about god
and his gifts of living,..

[who are we to murder..that GOD ALONE..can make live]

NO DEATH CAN BLESS The blessed life GIVER
[so yelling allah be blessed...may not be giving to god

[or maybe they do say ''allah forgive me''...
i do this to sustain others lives...
so we may all seek the higher gifts
to honour the good[god]..of life

stunned or unstunned..murder is a sin

but there can be no sin..
where love is the motivation

its about intent
what did we intend in the doing of this [or that]
for that forms the basis of the 'next life'

have we advised the beast of its chanmce for a higher incarnation
or simply stopped him before he even knew himself..before he realised the truth of his station..[this time]

one under god,

This thread was opened on a particular topic- .

It is with regret I must inform you I will not be responding to your comments or even be reading them. Perhaps you should open a thread about God. Then I may contribute - or not but trying to divert others topics is not likely to be received well by others posters.

Your peculiar posts in this thread are unwelcome & disruptive .

Kerry

dear kerryanna

as you dont read what im saying
clearly you have no idea if its to topic or not
but if you tried to read past... your bias...

you just might get some good fruit[results]
that make things better..for those you claim your trying to help
THE ANIMALS*

i will respect your right to remain ignorant
clearly your not intrested in saving the beasts

clearly your looking for some 'glory' for your self
or your group..or the other guy..you do listen to
it seems a closed circle..of self congratulation

im only concerned about the animals

i will let this topic rest for 7 days
then will say what needs saying..for the beasts
and to those seeking some form of glory..to themselves

is your unbelief...[athiesm]..
more important than helping animals?

clearly it is
you seem more obsessed by people
than the beasts you claim to serve

ok its been over 24 hours
no reply...so lets try to get this going

rspca...
[ROYAL society preventing*..animal CRUELTY}

so lets hear about the royal perogative

..PREVENTING*
cruelty..[all cruelty...!

not alone to beasts..
but to EVERY living thing..!

but ok lets accept the 'royal' group..[society]
is tasked..ONLY with preventing cruelty..[to animals]

the queen is a royal[the royal]
but more specificly..*the royal..

THAT ALSO IS THE POPE*
[of the anglican church]

she is bound to the king james holy book..!

its from this holy book...WHOLLY relivant to the Rspca
that claims ropyal authority..
that i talk of god..
if you dont like this

easy
change your name..
[loose the royal link]

that links everything you are
to helping to make good beasts..of god

athiests wont get it
but also lets be honest
..the rspca ....is more about
mixing in SOCIETY...than preventing anything

[ie eating drinking with those
who should..[could] legislate an end to ALL cruelty]

it rsp-ca..has failed miserably

the WSPA...is not royal?

has the initials wasp..jumbled up within it

but lets keep things in order

WHAT society
is preventing animal cruelty

i got no idea
off your question

you ask questions
then reply saying..your not reading them...lol

you are in the right 'society'*..

[and thats what im trying to explain
in the next life..
you will be in..the same society]

KNOW HOW SERIOUS THIS topic IS*

if the royal society..is in the royal name
royals claim their authority..to rule from god
thus is held to account..for not serving the creatures of god

by the good of god
it served..or de-served

you dont speak animal...
yet think you get them
you claim you dont get me..
but really just cant face the truth

this is about
PREVENTING CRUELTY..to animals

well get
this man is AN ANIMAL TOO
its FLORA and fauna...get back to YOUR JOB
preventing cruely.to fauna..all fauna..

preventing
cruelty

*all cruelty
upon ALL Fauna

I do not appreciate you referring to the animals as the ""beasts

The only bests i see are the people who mistreat them.

You dare come in here assuming that YOU / We are so
much higher in the rank of life than the animals because you read it in some book.

Well bully for you because I dont care if its for bible, koran - or any amount of the hundreds of so called religions .

Go tell George Pell he has a duty to speak out for animals and take your books with you because HE needs it.

He wont speak out for the animals & the SILENCE from the Church is a disgrace. There are too worried not to loose their bit og government funding. So given that you are so critical of others trying thier best to help animals why dont you get off your arse and do something!
Its a weak man that hides behind a book with NOTHING to add.
Mate I have seen it all before with the good preachers going to visit the sick old lady.
Never once would they mop a floor or cook a meal or do something practical to help-

Just read the bible and collect a donation.
No thanks I would rather spend me money feeding stray dogs then have anything to do with bible bashe

Now
I opened this thread up for a good reason and that was to look behind the veil ( or at least the people wearing them in my opinion ) at RSPCA National Animals Australia and WSPA.

However, before i go one i want to my myself very clear- there are many wonderful people in all of these organizations that should be up the top.

I will continue this later- as I have just been interrupted by a visitor.

Pls be forewarned if anybody wishes to respond to me with religion i will NOT answer.

We can judge all nations& people by the way in which they treat their Animals
Ghandi

you have a good start kerry
hope you continue when you can

you said...""Never once would they mop a floor
or cook a meal or do something practical to help-""

its sad that we need to judge others
lets sack the floor cleaners
[why pay them...if priests will do it for free]

''Just read the bible and collect a donation.''
read the bible
never took a cent
i guess thats what priests do
[i agree they seem to do litle-else]

PREACHING can change nothing
[if they had read the holy texts..they would love neighbour]

athiests KNOW
man is..*one of the fauna..[to wit a beast]
you and priests may not agre..but this is your right

""I opened this thread..to look behind the veil
(or at least the people wearing them in my opinion)""

oops sorrty my bad
ui thought this was about savibng animals from cruelty

""to look behind the veil..at RSPCA
National Animals Australia and WSPA.""

sorry if you were tearing
religeon to bits i could help
i know nothing about rspca/wspa

[except this your quote..""RSPCA National
have ignored a request by these people
to send them whatever paper work required s
o they can sign off opposing ritual slaughter.""

thats sad..!

""They have for many years refused to work
with the only Muslim Animal Welfare organization""

and then this..quote..""RSPCA National & Animals Australia,
WSPA have also for years refused to meet with Muslim Leaders
to discuss their programe to phase out live exports.

Given their interest in this
most people would have to wonder why?""

as do i
[im trying to help wake up
those claiming to be..of the christ]

ie loving neighbour
turning the other cheek 7 times 7
giving the beast the shirt off their back

look LAWFULLY..even scientificly
man is one of the animals

fauna*

AS YOU WILL KNOW...
*MAN IS able to be..WORSE THAN ANY BEAST

you say..""there are many wonderful people
in all of these organizations..that should be up the top.""

you will find..the system is such...
that the better you are at your job...
the less you actually get to serve...your too busy 'socialising'

[raising funds...checking with people..
not on what they might be cruelly doing]

""We can judge all nations&people
by the way in which they treat their Animals
Ghandi""

thats so true...[in one way]
yet too simple in so many others

its not nations that do the vile
but men/women..USUALLY IN IGNORANCE...
as to what the best thing to do..TO END CRUELTY*

for me its about education*
a lady with 100 cats..needs to be taught how to help them
[not be vilifierd as mad or insane..in courts..with fines]

its about educating..people
that karmic consequences...and judgment...is inescapable

[that we do to the least...
we do to the most*...[god]

get hrh
to say it..!

by right royal perogative
decree*
animal cruelty is a sin

if hrh..dont[wont] say it..
DROP the royal...from the title

and notify the press why

one under god

Its not up the me to drop the Royal from the title - I am not RSPCA

I do however intend to drop Some Royal titles names into the Senate inquiry inquiry if that helps!

According to the Queen and other Royals its all up to the Governor General- simple

http://www.livexports.com/queen.html

http://www.livexports.com/prince.html

http://www.livexports.com/letter3.html

ok its been 7 days
[where i rested on this topic]
as it went to sleep...[because you didnt get
the only other person intrested in the topic]

so our conjoined inaction..has seen a vampire
behead a mouse..[getting 180 hours community 'service']
when clearly she is nuts..[delusional]..

needing education
or phyciatric help..
as she takes the early steps..to becomming..[threat to sociaty..not just little 'beast's']

see how most of the mass killers
began their career's..by animal cruelties*

if we catch them at a young age..we can prevent later evil

specificly catching silly kids..being cruel to animals

[all life is sacred]...
that they think vile..allows demons..to take their inner vile further..

[thats not religeon..thats reality]

reality you seem to avoid
how to tell nice people..they are being too nice
or nasty people where their nasty ends[hell]

anything we try to say to you..
you will only presume nasty

[and not even bother to read...
ie like you said to shadow minester]

apparently your the only thinker
or the only one..who cares

well you wanna talk this topic
or not...

[your supposed to be caring for animals]
not playing politics..

[sorry if the truth..is a thing you cant be botherd reading]

or rather..*seeing error
then ignoring it

dont fix nuthing

good luck with that..
and all the other...
just platitudes?

one under god
The Thread wasn't opened for people to post- so much as to let people know we WILL post the truth about whats really going on in this country with Animal Welfare. Now I dont expect you of all people to understand that - of course. How could you when your not involved in Animal Welfare organizations.

Sadly Animal Welfare is political. I say sadly because any decent human should do the right thing anyway.

The reason I dont respond to you is because you don't debate Animal Welfare - you just go on about religion - even your tag name is to be a tad odd tbo.

However while your having a crack at me for at least caring about animals and you brought religion into the debate- not I* allow me to point out that not one Church has made a stand against live exports

Pell refuses to answer the question WHY such silence about cruelty to Gods creatures.? Surely it is more their place to say something than myself.

I have a real problem with people getting around with names like yours and preaching to others.

Tell me what have YOU done to speak out for animals in life- other than read from your book.?

Of course nobody has posted in this thread- UOG because the others are members of the vegan society. Its quite UOG because they got the message! They think nobody should eat meat at all - or use animal product in anyway. Nice thought but that wont stop live exports only opening humane plants in Australia will.

Speaking of RSPCA National however they were contacted TWICE & asked to do a urgent review on ritual slaughter that i believe was accredited without full authority.

Interesting NO REPLY yet they say they want to ban ritual slaughter in Australia um.

kerryanne/quote..""Sadly Animal Welfare is political.""

thats what im hoping to change by posting
but lets not forget...
prosicuting animal cruelty is expensive too
[again here i try to offer the way out]
[especially for 'regesterd' animals]
as regestration creates a 'legal person'

other solutions i had hoped to explain more fully
is that of what rukles regulations..could best insure animal safety
[for in protecting the weak helpless..who more weakend..or made helpless but the beasts]

can we say...it isnt working
that while we all have good intentions
everyday animals suffer cureulty un-nessisarilly
that the few bought to justice...are only a few
of the systematic injustices..suffered by the poor beast

""I say sadly because any decent human
should do the right thing anyway.""

i think we begin by putting everyone..into honour*
[thats a legal term..that ensures we dont begin with any guilt]

that those who are cruel;...have betrayed a trust
need to re-earn that trust...need to be educated out of their igbnorance[that hurts the beasts]

as we need to develop this slowly/steadilly
[to try to get it right...'this time']

i will once again silence the voice
crying in the wilderness of my mind..
that forces the lone finger to hunt and peck..in what it calls typing

[that was a joke]
i need to make jokes or else i would be weeping

""The reason I dont respond to you
is because you don't debate Animal Welfare""

that we need do it is beyond dispute
do you seek to protect all the beasts..or just the fluffy 'nice8'..one's?

""you just go on about religion""
you think im trying to make you find god?
in helping the least..[the beast]..you allready are there

read this
I COULDNT GIVE A TOSS..about ANY religeon
i DO SEE IT AS MY DUTY..to help the beasts

""even your tag name
is to be a tad odd""

petty things kerryanne
lets try to help bring real change

""not one Church
has made a stand against live exports""

thats a thing
only our talking can help change
[i supply the arrows....you drive them home]

im trying to help
you..wake them up...!

thats a thing
only our talking can help change
[i supply the arrows....you drive them home]

im trying to help
you..wake them up...!
Posted by one under god,

UOG
Ok Sorry I guess its fair to say I may have judged you harshly
But here the thing UOG as soon as I see people quoting religion in response to animal cruelty 100% resentment sets in.

I get so angry I can not control that resentment and its based on FACTS and expereiences of trying to wake them up- and shake them up and even embarrses them.

Over three thousand letters to Church and church leaders we have sent out throughout Australia- NO INTEREST.

They remain hiding behind the bibles and i find it THE most offensive act of hypocrisy ever.

As far as I am personally concerned since a very young age i accept God but regret Churches and Church leaders.
It would be fair to say I hate them for what they have not done.

*im trying to help*
you..wake them up...!

Ok I am all ears but this is what i need ATM

I have a TV adds pretty much ready to go to air. You would probably like the first part. Its a lovely sunset with a minister reading from the bible near the water& that song telephone to Glory- do u know it?

Then the SHIP sails up with the terrified screaming animals & footage of them dying onboard & the way they are slaughtered the other end.
The minister looks turns and walks away- the song is still playing as he heads off to read his bible to his flock

Doesn't look back

The song continues. You can talk to Jesus on this royal telephone...
We just need some more funding to air it. The Mister looks a LOT like G Pell

kerryanne/quote..""so angry I can not control that resentment""

have you not heard..those who having been cruel
say..much the same things..[while your in control..no-one else is able to control you..but if others are able to find ways to make you loose control..[ab-use it]..its them in control and not you

see that religeon teaches like finds like
that we are all subject to choices
that those who do the cruelty...

[often say they felt like it wasnt them]...
thats because they surrenderd control...
[and 'other' took control over them]

[im trying to avoid saying demons]
who love the energies...we emmit..off our acts of vile

other energies feed off fears..
yet others in nearly every field of human endeavor
musitions get 'in-spired'..by musical spirits..artists by artist spirits

[even the rspca...was inspired..to be founded..
by one who in 'life'..was cruel..
[but in the next life sought to redeem their vile
and asisted..the postive thoughts..of the founders]

this is what i have learned
the key to comprehend...'is more of the same shall be given'
[im not saying this for you...but to try to wake up the church]

as you know..they are far from doing the good
[ie 'doing as they saw their master/teacher/saviour[christ]..do..[did]''

he would not stand idle]
while the beasts needlessly suffer
'to whom much is given...much is expected'

anyhow thats enough weird

till your next post

there is so much we need to do

''the harvest is heavy
and the workers so few''

[noting the bible says...
'let the wheat grow with the tares
till at harvest"..they reveal..their weedyness..or wheat
their qualities..

my thoughts run along the lines of
we are all able to be trusted..

untill we each prove...we don*t deserve the trust...
THEN..these people loose the right to own a 'pet';..[how i hate that title]

like those killing cattle...who were cruel
should instantly have been removed from the kill floor
and retrained..put on probation...taught the more humane[less cruel way]

[there is no perfect way...
all killing is murder]

but thats like i said a law..*we ALL* break

ie seeds are teqniclly living...
and how many died to make your baggel
whats worse killing with a conscience..or mindlessly

there are questions religeons
MUST BE FORCED TO ANSWER

not the lasty question must be
what of the law...re having no other before god..[like his son]
or like creed..rite and ritual

i will get..to the pell thing
but cant do it alone

THE PELL THING SO FAR- Yet Again

Open PUBLIC Copy of letter sent NO REPLY as usual..

From: info@livexports.com [mailto:info@livexports.com]
Sent: Friday, 24 June 2011 7:04 PM
To: 'selina.hasham@sydneycatholic.org'
Subject: FW: CHURCH RESPONSE TO ANIMAL WELFARE BAN LIVE EXPORTS Shocking footage again on 4 corners Church silence publicly - @@@@

Dear Salino.

I am a lawyer working with@@@. Pls acknowledge the receipt of @@@ email containing inks to the inquiry. Also I @@@to @@@you may have some difficulties filling out the inquiry form given your organization has not been involved earlier. If this is your position perhaps with your media contacts you could speak out in another way.
Mr Robert @@
From: info@livexports.com [mailto:info@livexports.com]
Sent: Friday, 24 June 2011 10:52 AM
To: 'selina.hasham@sydneycatholic.org'
Subject: FW: CHURCH RESPONSE TO ANIMAL WELFARE BAN LIVE EXPORTS Shocking footage again on 4 corners Church silence publicly - @@@@

Dear Salina

As discussed on the phone, we strongly recommend that you contribute your views to the two inquiries currently being conducted by the Australian government: I have copied the inquire forms and we are more than happy to assist you with this. The fact is there is no reason to send these animals to suffer such cruelty. We can send meat to feed people. Not that these animals go to feed the impoverish people. Poor people eat rice and vegetables if they can get it. On a personal note I mentioned to you by phone every Australian Muslim Leader is lobbying the Government to ban live exports. They have been for ten years. I am involved with assisting them to lodge their subs also.
I am also aware that a group of Animal Lovers are with deep pockets discussing TV adds to highlight the Churches role in speaking out loudly for God’s creatures. I hope the Church is more active in speaking out in the future
I @@@ the founder of @@@
Live Exports are one of the people who are deeply disappointed by the silence of Church Leaders in Australia so far. We believe the Church should play a active public role.

TBC

continues-

If its anybodies moral obligation imop it is that of the Australian Churches. Also would you pls distribute asking people to write to the inquiry voicing their objections to sending animals off in ships while still alive- other etc members etc. Maybe a bulk email.

Here is a copy of the inquiry papers to lodge online. Pls don’t hesitate to contact me on @@@@ if we may be of assistance in any way. No matter how small. Perhaps you might take a moment to look at the comments here and sign this petition thank you- http://livexports.com/petition/results.php The peoples feeling are clear. The public have spoken. They ask us in hundreds of email where are our Church Leaders.
Pls speak out for God’s creatures,.
We ask this in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord.
Regards
5; The review into the whole live export trade (http://www.livestockexportreview.gov.au/) and
 The review into animal welfare improvements in the trade (http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/committee/rat_ctte/live_exports_2011/index.htm)

There is no need to address every question in the terms of reference but the more relevant information they receive the better.

With regard to the Federal Government’s review into religious slaughter arrangements which is yet to be completed, there is some information here http://www.daff.gov.au/animal-plant-health/welfare/aaws/specifying_the_risks_to_animal_welfare_associated_with_livestock_slaughter_without_induced_insensibility and here http://www.daff.gov.au/animal-plant-health/welfare/aaws/a_scientific_comment_on_the_welfare_of_sheep_slaughtered_without_stunning. You would have to contact the Animal Welfare Branch regarding the status of this review.

‘Hope this helps.

Kind regards

As so you see Under One God even as people they wont submit to the inquiry

i havnt had a chance yet to read your letter
but im glad you posted it

your certainly dedicated[3000 indicates your trying very hard]
i respond best with quotes..to set of other thoughts

quote...""Over three thousand letters..to Church/church leaders
we have sent out throughout Australia-NO INTEREST..."

i once deliverd a hand deliverd letter
to many churches...[by being 'in person'..i got immediate replies

realise they must get 'many'..letter's
[i did]..so i expanded beyond churches/mosks temples
still nothing...

i lobied the queen[pope of great briton]
getting as close as her driver..
[and a look of terror as she drove past me]

deliverd the letter to chogm
got arrested...and deliverd the letter to police/courts/polititions..etc

all that didnt work
so i began blogging

""They remain hiding behind the bibles""
[wil reply..after i read letter]

""and i find it[hiding behind the bible]..
THE most offensive act of hypocrisy ever...""

were they hiding behind the bible
[ie quoting it]...

or simple ignoring the letter?

""It would be fair to say I hate them
for what they have not done.""

this is of concern...[the hating bit]
that they didnt 'do anything'..you must realise
those who want/sought power..now have absolute power

both materially...and they think spiritually
[i must get to the letter]
but 'fear'..not giving you a proper FULL/reply

""all ears
but this is what i need ATM""

[atm?..'at this moment'?]

""TV adds..ready to go to air.""

an 'angel' once told me
correct timming is everything
[the minute you book air time...those who oppose your message
will do their counter attack..

[if it has any choice of changing anything]

but lets look at..

continues

what you got from where
""Its a lovely sunset with a minister
reading from the bible near the water&
that song telephone to Glory-do u know it?""

ok the sunsetting..means this 'ministar'
is in the lower realms..[this seems the source of this 'idea']
mainly because the motivations comes from anger/hate..

*ALTHOUGH for good reasons...ie saving animal cruelty..
any letters sent at this time..will dissapear with the other letters
both on the animal issue,..plus all the 'other' isues..people are trying to fix by demand letters to the church

as for the telephone to glory never heard of it
but lets egsamin what its saying

TELEPHONE TO GLORY
Frederick Martin Lehman..[early 1900s)?

Central’s never “busy,”..always on the line;""

ok this is true
if it gets done..its being done now
[ie the decision to do it[or not]..is made instantly

""You may hear from Heaven..almost any time;""

this is not true
its heaven that is listening to you

we are far more likely to 'hear'
the still inner voice..from those in hell
[who feed off our hope fear/hate/lusts;wasted energies]

""’Tis a royal service,
free for one and all;""

not strictly true
deeds and works..are the only real'currency'
in both heavens and hells..[i should explain vivisectionist hell
from where the rspca was concieved..by a repentant vivisectionist
seeking to redeem his cruelty to animals..by in-spiring..its creationFOR the protectioon of animals]

but must finish the song first
""When you get in trouble,
give this royal line a call.""

central lies betwixt[between]..the light of heaven
and the darkness of hell..yes you can call 'central'
but beware..who takes the call

""Refrain

Telephone to glory, O what joy divine!
I can feel the current moving on the line,"""

its not enough to 'feel' it
you will be living it...and depending
on what your loving about it..[more shall be given]

""Built by God..the Father for His loved and own,""

god is the god of love[passion]
he loves the lover..wether they chose to love the light
or love the darkness...

see that evil..DOES its evil..with passion
[THEY REALLY LOVE IT...

much more than we love
who love..doing the good]

will continue
later

there is no one
who is not gods 'own'
but because so many think..they alone..are his
there isnt much we can do

""We may talk to Jesus""
anyone 'can' talk to jesus
but jesus isnt comming to fix nothing

[can we free a slave..
who loves being a slave?]
or a beast..loving being a beast?

''talk to jesus..thru this royal telephone.""

we talk by our minds..one to one
[not via..a medium..as-like a tele-phoney]

""There will be no charges,""
no blame no shame
those who love to hate..will seek out reasons
to hate

""telephone is free,
It was built for service,..just for you and me;""

im sort of getting over this
exclusivity breast bleating
by those..certainly not serving good

""There will be no waiting..on this royal line,
Telephone to glory..always answers..just in time.

Refrain

Fail to get the answer,
Satan’s crossed your wire,""

there is no satan
only those so vil
so loving all things vile
that their souls resemble demons

[ie smelly rude/crude children..with loud voices
that they are clever enough to lower..
when they want something only you
can give them..mind energy
[guilt blame shame hate]

""By some strong delusion,
or some base desire;""'

yes egsactly

we arnt here..to hate
or make other fear

only to stop cruelty..to the least
by the ones..[us]..that god has given the most

continues

i will try to minimise the song's meaning
to get back to the advert[sunset priest/song]
but am trying to be methodical

quote.."Take away obstructions,""

thats important
people MUST be trusted the right to chose
even those acting ignorant[the church]...and the abusers of beast's

ignorance is key
any advert must inform ignorance
that thinks cruelty is a thing god condones
NO THINKING HUMAN..let alone preacher..could turn the other cheek
if their neighbour was misstreaded..[be you man or beast]

what would jesus DO!
[we all should have a fair idea what he would think]

the trouble is that athiests see animal cruelty is wrong
HOW COME THE CHURCH IS SILENT..!

is this how the peacemaker wants his 'own' to be?
uncaring about the least..are we xtian or beast

""God is on the throne,""
inside EVERY LIVING THING*
[that we do to the least[beast]..we DID allow..be done..TO HIM

""And you’ll get your answer
thru this royal telephone.""

if you let gods conscience be your guide
[jimminy crickett might be better in an advert]
with images of cruelty..asking is this what jesus wants?

""If your line is “grounded,”
and connection true""

if it dosnt ex-plain
its pap

noting..""Has been lost with Jesus,
tell you what to do;""

allways let your conscience be your guide
[play sound track of suffering beast
who's voice is silenced...

and screen goes dark..[then over the track write
in writing...

in 4 minutes you will be in gods arms

were sorry little beastly brother

[forgive us...we knew NOT
what they did do to you
the least]

""Prayer and faith and promise,
mend the broken wire,""

are you disconected from the god of LOVE*?

>’Till your soul is burning
with the Pentecostal fire.""

when god asks
why didnt you do something

what means the words
or gods holy law

ie*

'THOU shalt not kill"?

what are we fighting for
the beast's want peace
not pieces

""Refrain""
from acting mindlessly

""Carnal combinations cannot get control""
if you seed love in someones soul]

""Of this line to glory,""
communing with good god
one to one

thy heart and his heart
""anchored WITH-in the soul;

""Storm and trial cannot disconnect the line,
Held in constant keeping by the Father’s hand divine.""

ok the song destraction is gone
back to the priest/sunset/song]
and it seems a boat

""Then the SHIP sails up
with the terrified screaming animals
& footage of them dying onboard &
the way they are slaughtered the other end.""

shock and awe?
wont work..they just seen worse on youtube
or on the midday movie

we ned to target,,those who stopped trying
energise people...to se they can end the madness
[not by this or that]..but by teaching each other..better ways
than men ever did before...

note
the living good/god
sustaines EVEN THE LEAST LIVING..their life TOO

""The minister looks turns and walks away-""

and sargent shultze ..says those immortal words

''I
see
nothing"

play laught track
ending in demonic laughter

then the words

when good men DO nuthing


""We just need some more funding to air it.}}

try the athiest foundation
or try the muslims

or the buddists
but i hear the canadian indians...
are looking for investments
just got some funding

get students behind it
or unions

anyhow i got to cut some bulk meat now
[to share the guilt arround...killing to live
even vegetarians need to kill seeds to make their soy latte]

were all guilty
what we do did
isnt as important as why we did it

we ned to cure ignorance
not blame /lable shame people

hate the act..
not the soul

one under god

I find within the Church groups ( most) there is no ignorance to be cured just none carers. Its a cop out for those who want to hide from the world very often .
Been with heads of RSPCA etc showed footage but they tell you they
cant protest anything that goes against government because of funding.
Reminds me of another song for 30 bits of silver a man becomes a rat.
My main experiences with Churches has been years ago weeding out pedophiles. . It was/ interesting in so much as you would pick them pretty easy in the end. The mostly all had some weird attribute and ninety % would actually raise the subject of pedophiles in conversation first. Most of them - had strange little habits- different stuff odds and ends. They would say something to shock or try to be a bit cruel from out of the blue to others.
Something they thought might upset. A control issue...

There are many people that care about Animals but RSPCA need to encourage everybody- not just people they think they can control or get the clean up puppy poo.

I will close this thread off now.

goodbye

yes goodbye kerryanne

well hello
to the children of the future
you have just seen that of how things
became the things you now see..in 2013

in case you missed it i will egsamin the letter[later]

for now lets catch this snap shot of the last decade

quote...[from the one who began the topic
then did the max to avoid discusasing it]
you will recognise jesus words
[honouring with their lips]

""Its a cop out
for those who want to hide from the world very often""

or rather those who want the glory
but not the hard yards..[of works]..by which change can be done]

""Been with heads of RSPCA etc
showed footage..""

ie the proofs
of a smaterialistic system that has clearly failed
or failing fast...[its all about the glory and the power
oh and the money...recall kiddies..jesus and the money changers?]

""but they tell you they
cant protest anything""

i stoped the quote here
to highlight...that we can protest
things the govt can tax..like the lie of global warming
being caused by huh-mans...[this is how much these deluded power brokers..really swallowed their lessors admiration..as true..

it was this
as much as the simply let someone else do or pay for it..
that brought hell to you..into your current time

as the bible cautioned....doing nothing was no option
[2/3 rds will die..ie the beasts..[who loved murder and war
for cash and power...]

note..we even bailed out the 'bank's'
with cash..we BORROWED from them

got a new c02commodity
for the rich to hoard and buy up
to create short-age

lol

with credit..CREATED BY THE BANKS..
who held the franchise for a thing we called paper..
[others thought had value]

[thought was value..but only had fiat value
[promise value..honouring good with their lips...lol

common kids..you gotto laught
be thankfull you are born in hell
they were born into hell..but couldnt read the signs

they loved murder/cop shows..and hurtfull
fearfull screaming[just for 'special affect]

the favourite passtime was beginning things
and only finishing the bad things
[promise with the lips]

where everyone gets to the party photo op
to pat each other on the back..and make the news
before going back to their fratenisation with the enema
but back to the quote

""but the leaders abused the mantra""
[oops that was me...the context was..to get that new tax
..but the key was by demonc impotance..through the media
sugesting..we didnt think it really matterd..what we do]

but back to the excuse
gatherd at some obscure back patting...'do'
that is there specificly to ensure we dont...[quote]

""that goes against government""

[or rather those who run govt
ie special intrst groups..they partied with]

with their standard excuse
""because of funding.""

see the wealth of the bankers
selling paper as value..now its cyber credit
they make it up as they go..[those who got the most for the least effoprts..often got a share..a bonus...or funding]

see how charity had lent its name to 'others'
for them to fundraise..IN THEIR NAME..ie $100 would often see
less that 5 used for ACTUAL chartity reasons...[in this case to save the beasts]

but see it was only to make another film
or get some devil adverts on tv
that got lost ammoung the rubbish we called enter-taint-men/t

""Reminds me of another song
for 30 bits of silver a man becomes a rat.""

i dont know that one
but know jesus NEVER hated judas for even one second

judas finally forgave himself..only but a few years ago

see thats the power of guilt that happend in 2012 kiddies

we here judge others as evil/vile..in the next life we can only judge ourselves...[so we need to get over judging others here..so we wont be condeming ourselves..over there]

""My main experiences..with Churches
has been years ago..weeding out pedophiles.""

see how that
takes a judgement
[i copped the same suspitions too
just for smoking..and dressing like a hippie]

it got so any man..seen talking
or caring for a kid became suss
[by those judging others]...

this of course wasnt their
concious choice...[for either the pervert..or the judge]..

it was the times we lived in..[govt wanted instant obediance..thus conditioned us..to think the whole-world..was perverted]

if only good
had done their good/grace/mercy[inclusion]
with half the passion...

but hey..as you kids now see
what are promises..except a clever way..to gain trust/power
to become one..with the in crowd..[collectivly/selectivly..judging others]

'"It was/interesting..in so much
as you would pick them..pretty easy in the end.""

yep
just like we can pick any rapist
ie there all men..[lol]...thus all men are bad

or look like the one
that raped me..when..i was young

""The mostly all..had some weird attribute
and ninety % would actually..raise the subject of pedophiles in conversation first.""

there actually is a big key*

i note those
intrested in perversions..often begin the topic..too

i also noted..those who hurt kids..loved hurting beasts first
and only pick on kids..cause the animal..bit them back

and adults
..mostly..are too strong...[these 'perverts]..are weak as

and usually socially inept..
and didnt succed to succes with adults
so perverted the young-lives..of those you now call peers

[thats why adults..are a bit strange..

we obesss about the things
..we love to obsess about

we love the obsessing

note..""Most of them -had strange little habits-""

litle signs..like brazenly..looking in your eye
or avoiding eye contact..alltogether

[yes we knew they were opposing things
but then when you obsess about a thing
you need to cover all the bases

they missed completly..that mass murder
began with cruelty to the 'least'

yes vile has bad habits
many are socially clumsy

but law requires proof

someone running away back into social isolation
like myself...never learned the social niceties
taught that animals and kids are hunman TOO..!

'most/habits'""different stuff odds and ends.""
yes even instinct or hunches...[like drug wars on plants]
or saying seeds are dead..or babies dont like till a cetain time

KIDS realise how far you guys are from us
in so short a time...

[but see it was love grace mercy that got us through]..
what the worse crime...ignorance of blaming/judging others WRONGLY

and the root of the poisen
was the limited stuff they called wholly..holy

those who claimed to know of heaven..as well as hell
but made their works the work of demons[eating 'his flesh..drinking 'his blood'[hanging a corpse on the wall
and saying he died for us to sin]

""They would say something to shock
or try to be a bit cruel from out of the blue to others."""

yes jokes was a particular favourite means
realise a laugh is what we do when we dont get it
a joke is a thing we tell to test things out..then say 'only joking'
or april fool..or gotya..or only kidding[but see they were fully sick serious]

only joking
lol

""Something they thought might upset..."
because others couldnt stand boys having dolls
[but figures are iok]

or girls playing with cars
or people that hate shaving..or dress different
or are so ugly they need hide behind a nickab

these silly things
like guys wearing womans cliothers
or declaring war on cockroaches
led to bigger exclusion's

as these poor deluded food for demons
were even more outcast...leading to greater perversion
and things like anger at work/curuelty to beasts/wife/kids

its all about control[and exclusion]

or trying to fit in [with the incrowd]
you get payed for each bit of work..not how long it takes
so you have to get the beast dead..to earn the food for your family

its a vicious circle
that needed education

but was made into a holy war
made into...

"A control issue...""

of trying to do the right thing
but materially..in the egsact wrong way

see we are SENT into this realm
much like a prison...[we each have one 'life' term]

when our life sentanance..is over
we rise of fall..according to the good we did or didnt chose to do

but we were so judgmental..of others
christs words were edited and re written
even his own...'knew him not'..

people payed lip service
had to be seen in the press..doing something
PRETENDING..they gave a damm..[many famous images
were simple photo ops..taken at drunked parties..by pretense

listen to the voice of experience
who sadly now has given up

""There are many people..that care about Animals
but RSPCA need to encourage everybody-""

see its up to rspca
not govt?...not those ignorant
not those allready rejected...but the SPECIAL-list[rspca]

lol
or maybe the wspa
or the wasps

se how the deciete gets done
its a state issue..no its a federal issue
no its subject to treaty...no its free trade

its all about having power
but no accountability
except who FUN/ds you

just those people
they think they can control

or get to clean up puppy poo.

I will not close this thread off now

if all the letters are emails
this explains the lack of response

the letter/quote...
""To:'selina.hasham@sydneycatholic.org'

Subject:CHURCH RESPONSE
TO ANIMAL WELFARE

*BAN LIVE EXPORTS""

the headline dont match the mess-age
[its trying to say too much
thus didnt do nothing]

no doudt they allready have seen...the

""Shocking footage
again on 4 corners""

and this alone
should have been the heading
""Church silence
publicly""

this is simply sloppy[spurilous\
revealing un profesionality...

ie..""-@@@@""
that with hindsight might be edited?

then from that messy destraction
only too easy to lable as spam
we get...[as they got]..

""Dear Salino...""

[is there a person...[a salino]...at the addresss
werre all the 3000 letters addressed to the same 'being'

much better would have been addressing it to the pope
[curiosity ensures more would read it]

""I am a lawyer working with@@@.""

then why dont you do it the way lawyers 'do it'
letters of demand etc

any who read it this far
now begin thinking talk is cheap
this certainly wernt writtenm by a 'lawyer'
[assuming the @@@ thing has ben edited]

""Pls acknowledge the receipt of @@@ email""

their lawyers would advise IGNORE IT*

""containing inks to the inquiry.""

spurilous info
[its self evident]

allready you have again tried to do too much
yet there is more...""Also I @@@""
msss intyernet lawyer...

""to @@@"""
a group of activists..jumping on the trade cattle issue
[thus clearly not rspca..who's lawyers would write a cease and disist]

""you may have some difficulties
filling out the inquiry form"""

we dont fill out forms here
we sort junk from important email
yours has allready been filed under the first

""given your organization""

my organisation has the tender
to sort emails....

if you mean some church or 'other'...'organisation'..
a lawyer would name it
[ie put the issue who/what/why..clearly]

your organ...""has not been involved earlier.""

earlier in what
we do our job

your job is to write clearly...concisl

""If this is your position"""

yes everyone saying what they REALLY mean
might help us GET a position
[if we are the organisation..your seeking]
[our lawyers said to say that]

""perhaps with your media contacts
you could speak out in another way.""

perhaps you could get to the point?

our lawyer and myself have already wasted time on this[previous]

now we are getting oithers mail
others would have hit delete long before now

""Mr Robert @@""
edited

""As discussed on the phone,""
[when]

""we strongly recommend""

is that a threat mzz lawyer?
our lawyers are looking into that

""that you contribute your views
to the two inquiries currently being conducted
by the Australian government:""

we talk to whoever we want...*personally
our thoughts are ALLREADY in the minds of those who matter

""I have copied the inquire forms""

is that proper english?
regardless thanjk you so much
we will send them obn to spam or lawyer

""and we are more than happy to assist you with this.""

thank you sooo much
but we have our own lawyers allready
thankyou for the forms...we have filed them under @@@

""The fact is there is no reason to send these animals to suffer"""

sadly our lawyer informs us..we have had an avolanche
of regesterd mail from our country chruch diocies
who's flok threatens to stam/ped if he dont help them

we note..your judgment..""such cruelty.""
but for a lawyer are not specific
[we dont watch tv]

""We can send meat to feed people.""
meat...as in killed in the 'right country?
or murded the "right way'

""Not that these animals go to feed the impoverish people.""

do impoverished people
slaughter the animals to feed their families?

process the hides/hooves
eat the entrails...or at least GET PAID to process..etc

""Poor people eat rice and vegetables if they can get it.""

thankyou
we didnt know that
the poor people we do know of..eat grass
and mix white sugar with clay..to kill their hunger pains
if they are luckey enough to have mud

""On a personal note""
lawyers dont get personal
the law is firm..to kill cruelly/needlessly..is murder
but my child..lets hear your confession with an open heart..for clearly you might not be a top lawyer..you appear to have kindness
and consideration of others..so lets help the beast[least]..and listen

""I mentioned to you by phone
every Australian Muslim Leader
is lobbying the Government to ban live exports.""

every is a big word
could you supply a list of these every
our records report not everyone can agree on ANYTHING
let alone eve-rything

""They have been for ten years.""

have ben lobbying for ten years
how come your only writing to 'us'?..at this time?
if your cliant..and the leaders of the muslim flocks
cant change their leaders..with ten years lobby..your lobby cl;early is a waste of time..

or as johan would put it
public doogooding..that even in private dOES NOTHING

""I am involved with assisting
them to lodge their subs also""

sorry we dont have a war/navy dept...
lodge your own subs
[avoid type written..or gform letters]
handwritten proves its a 'real person'

please not
we do our own
feel good lobby..

when polies need to get the xtain vote
they come to us..we can talk to any of them at anytime

we make no submission to govt..
we just damm the lot of em into hell
[or let them think we can send them to heaven]

funny how we fooled each other

what party did we met at again?

""I am also aware
that a group of Animal Lovers
are with deep pockets discussing TV adds"""

yes we saw this on a topic on the web
apparently you spent all your funds getting to the party

but leave us a partying parting gift[grift]..ter

""to highlight the Churches role
in speaking out loudly for God’s creatures.""

we wisper into gods ear..softly
if its his will..for us to speak loud..
he wouldnt have made lawyers write legal letters

""I hope the Church is more active
in speaking out in the future
I @@@ the founder of @@@

Live Exports are one of the people?
who are deeply disappointed by the silence
of Church Leaders in Australia so far.

We believe the Church should play a active public role.""

lobby the pope
animal cruelty is a GLOBAL ISSUE
clearly those your NOW talking with...lied to you
are there for the party..the glory..NOT THE BEAST/least

will finish my commentary in time
[note topic died in 28 days]

the rest of us..who knows
its the good you did


ps..""If its anybodies moral obligation imop
it is that of the Australian Churches.""

but rspca has subverted the fun*d's
i can se why letters [email letters...dont work

i can see how muslims at parties know how to party on
by pretending we all agree..

but realise its only party chatter

lobby...lol
hows that working out
the current lobby is a gravy chain