Are you scared? Do you feel intimidated?

I think it reasonable to assume that if you do publish this it won’t be because you fear I shall nuke you. You will reckon that an essential prerequisite to nuking anything is the possession of nukes. You will also calculate that I don’t have any and you would be right.

I bought the Australian today and saw the following page 1 headline:

AL-QA'IDA THREAT TO STAGE NUKE HELLSTORM

QUOTE

>>AL-QA'IDA has threatened to unleash a "nuclear hellstorm" if its leader Osama bin Laden is captured or killed, according to a vast cache of secret documents detailing the interrogation of more than 750 Guantanamo Bay detainees that was released by WikiLeaks yesterday.
[…]
According to documents … a senior al-Qa'ida commander claimed the terrorist group had hidden a nuclear bomb in Europe that would be set off in the event of bin Laden's capture or assassination.>>

END QUOTE

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/wikileaks/threat-to-stage-nuke-hellstorm/story-fn775xjq-1226044716503

Are you frightened?

Maybe detainees in Guantanamo did tell their interrogators AQ would unleash a “NUKE HELLSTORM” if their leader was captured. Maybe some of the detainees believed it. If you’re deluded enough to join AQ in the first place who knows what you’d believe?

But let’s get real. I suspect that this threat is as empty as my threat to nuke you and for the same reason. I doubt they possess nukes.

I am certain that if AQ ever came into possession of nukes they would use them whether Bin Laden was captured or not. In fact my reason for believing they don’t have any is that they haven’t used any.

In similar fashion I am certain that if AQ had the capability of carrying out “chemical and biological attacks on Britain and mass poisonings across the US” they would do so.

But obviously, at least for now they don’t.

If this guff is representative of the “intelligence” gathered from Guantanamo detainees then the whole exercise is a waste of time and if the US interrogators believe it they are as gullible as any AQ recruit. Perhaps even more so.

Oh I don't know about that Stevenlmeyer, we never foresaw planes being crashed into the Twin Towers, or the huge bombs being set off in peaceful Bali either did we?

I wouldn't put anything past crazy religious fundamentalist terrorists.
What I can't understand is why, with all the Allied force's supposed 'intelligence' and 'superior firepower' etc, they haven't knocked off this Osama Bin Laden already?

He has been on the run for years, and still no knowledge of his whereabouts?

There is a difference between intelligence and information gathered. The projections, threat assessments, fact checking and verification process that follows collection of information ultimately ends up becoming 'intelligence' after the process of analysis. This analysis does not end, but is constantly re-evaluated and tested with changing events. The goal is to sort through the 'noise'.

Well that is the theory. In real life intelligence is often used to support government decisions as we all know too well after WMDs.

However, it is possible that terrorists can access nuclear weapons. Why not, as separate to the issue of whether the information collected from GB was legitimate?

Pakistan has nuclear weapons, it is not unreasonable to believe these weapons could be traded on the black market. Wikileaks revealed Myannmar is developing a nuclear capability, North Korea already has nuclear capability and India has not signed the NNP Treaty.

Nuclear deterrence is still relevant while there is both capability and cause.

But am I scared. No, no more than already having allowed that which is possible.

Well we can all relax Graham is safe.
Remember the first month of the Afghanistan invasion?
We got interviews from the other side every day, broadcast into our homes.
One leader sitting cross legged full of confidence told us his God was about to destroy America.
We only had to wait, it was immanent.
Lies are indeed currency in that part of the world.
As is intentionally educating people to not have a wide ranging education, not carry baggage from religions.
If they had such a bomb they would use it.
If it was only possible to use it in their own country killing as many of their own as enemy's they would still do it.
Side issue, is America still trying to catch the bloke, I think just maybe the under standing has been made that killing national leaders, all of them, may bring more militants to life.
So just maybe unless weakileaks has information he may live out his life hiding in rocks in Pakistan.

there is a difference between threats
derived under torture

real and present danger..
and veiled threats wrought in anger
[or under drugs and threat or bribe to stop hurting you

here is a threat
in the zionist controled media
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA6vRC1xW_c

there are those who love freespeach
and those who seek to control who can speak
http://www.redress.cc/americas/csurasky20110423?

there are realisable fears
and delusional fear beat ups
and now drugs to control which believes what
http://www.thehindu.com/health/medicine-and-research/article1602180.ece

there is a propaganda putche on
http://rense.com/general93/hl.htm
dont egsamin
the sources too closely..

''she claims to have been incarcerated forty years age.
"It voss a death camp?" she exclaims.

She then stated that she remained there for four years,
although the Germans "killed everybody*... *every day."

She was then asked how she has survived.
"I hid in the camp," she explained,

"but I had nothing* to eat...*for three years."

What begs examination is whether the inmates at those camps died of the typhoid epidemics..that swept across Germany towards the end of the war,..or whether there was a deliberate program of extermination.

regardless one third were jew
unlike in palistein..where all are semite
but even the natzie didnt bomb their ghettos
http://www.endtheoccupation.org/article.php?id=2961

depleted uranium bombs mutate all people
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/582/790/Its_not_just_Fukushima:_Breast_cancer_in_California_Jewish-Americans_is_linked_to_depleted_uranium_used_in_the_1973_Golan_Heights_Yom_Kippur_war..html

yet the revenge goes on
http://news.antiwar.com/2011/04/22/pakistan-fumes-as-us-attacks-continue/

we will often hear 'mission accomplished'..
but who's mission

http://truthiscontagious.com/2011/04/23/carving-up-pakistan-the-balochistan-gambit

"Pakistan in particular has jointly built a new port with China in the coastal city of Gwadar in the southern province of Balochistan.

This port serves as a potential terminal for a north-south transit corridor to transport oil and goods directly into Chinese territory via the northern Gilgit-Baltistan region of Pakistan.

Al Queda is probably an invention of the CIA.They have presented us with multiple photos of Osama and they all look different.http://patriotsquestion911.com/

The real nuke danger has already happened Steven.It is called Fukushima.You can fool most of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time.

who really knows what is true
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gnxiOZ0Fhc

gadifly hated al-cia-arda
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Gadhafi+backed+efforts+against+Qaida+reports/4662875/story.html

we all feared the
media's 'wepons of mass-destraction'
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/04/22/national/a103238D42.DTL

we know black swan events
are done by blackwater backdoor black guards
usually under the black flag
http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?id=217482

after all the land of the free
dont use tort=ure
http://sane-ramblings.blogspot.com/2011/04/this-cant-be-happening-to-america.html

look into the mind of a liar
a proper-gandist
http://www.revoltoftheplebs.com/categories/rogues-gallery/video-inside-the-%e2%80%9cmind%e2%80%9d-of-israeli-propagandist-mark-regev/

even the upcomming british nuptuals
or the upcomming economic 'crash'

is it only for mass destraction?
http://lonestarwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/04/isis-obama-and-soros-going-to-use.html

someone sure is looting
like they know..there will be no tomorrow
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=14672

even 'first responders are now classified as terror=ists'
oops possable terrorists..[so you decide]..on the limited facts
http://www.blacklistednews.com/911_First_Responders_Now_Considered_Possible_Terrorists/13615/0/38/38/Y/M.html

is it all really just to destract
from the next flotilla to gazza..[next week]..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yclgYBte1oA

egypt plant to eaze the seige on the semite/palistein.. prison camp
http://uruknet.com/?p=m77062&hd=&size=1&l=e

OF course, these neocon editors support war,
because it's never their kids who will be killed
or maimed for life in the process of the US government
acheiving a specific geopolitical objective for an active..political lobby..through never ending military combat....war by any-other name

Also, all those stocks in defense industry companies in their portfolios are bound to increase in value through yet more threats [hopes]..of war.

Ultimately, publicly funded wars
are for private profit: that is simply the reality.

who owns the media?
who runs their adgenda?
hint its not the peacemakers
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24455

but heck im using an old page
will refresh the list..see todays crop

you could follow
or lead
read
http://whatreallyhappened.com/

suzeonline,

There is no question in my mind that AQ or its affiliates would use nukes if they had them. They would not wait for their leader to be captured. If they had hidden a bomb in Europe it would have been detonated by now. That’s what makes this story so absurd.

But I do not think AQ have the capability of making a bomb and getting hold of one is not that easy.

The idea of using planes as weapons is as old as the kamikaze pilots of WW2. In fact Tom Clancy wrote a novel in which a Japanese pilot crashes a 747 into the White House killing the president.

Pelican,

I agree that if AQ do get hold of a nuke Pakistan is the most likely source. I also assume that the Indians and Americans have some sort of joint contingency plan to seize Pakistan’s nukes if they perceive even the slightest danger of them going astray.

However I think most of this is a combination of:

--Deluded thinking on the part of some captives who may actually believe what they’re saying; and

--Other captives telling their interrogators what they think they’d like to hear

Frankly I’m underwhelmed.

Belly,

I even remember them issuing warnings to Muslims to stay away from tall buildings. I didn't believe that either.

So far as I can see AQ and its affiliates got in a few lucky shots while no one was looking. Now that intelligence agencies are hyper-vigilant they're finding it more difficult.

OUG

LOL, somehow I guessed you’d find this thread a useful outlet for your Zionist / Jewish obsessions. Glad to have been of service ;-)

Oops and I forgot Arjay.

Glad to have been of service to you too ;-)

I find it hard to imagine that the stated aims of Islamic fundamentalism, a global Caliphate, will get any traction with those nations that are currently trying to get rid of dictatorships. Why would they swap one version for another? Surely they are not going to lay down their lives to rid themselves of oppression, social injustice and inequity, and then adopt the same from a different ideology.

It seems that fundamentalism is thrashing. The number of target nations is shrinking and its relevance evaporating. Whilst there is no doubt the risk of further murder and maiming, AQ and all the other Islamic fundamentalist affiliates, fully understand that they have just witnessed the departure of their train.

arjay I think you are on to something here the gentleman looks a lot like Goofy from Disney land to me.
It may just be Disney land is his birth place,
We have evidence Uncle Scrooge was a training device for American capitalism his money bin was a front, for the greed is good brigade.
I finally am starting to under stand you, you are Jerry Lewis are you not?

no worries steven
im just suss about the timming
[as well as the tone]

i will feel more relaxed soon though
COMING TO ISRAEL SOON:
A NEW TURKISH FLOTILLA AND DURAN DURAN

Israel mustn’t attempt to stop a planned aid flotilla
bound for the blockaded Gaza Strip, Turkey’s Foreign Minister told in an interview on Monday, adding that Turkey could do nothing to stop organizers from launching the flotilla.

Turkey said on Thursday
it had received a request from Israel
to help stop activists sailing to Gaza on the first anniversary of an Israeli raid on a Turkish ship, but it said the flotilla plan was not Ankara’s concern.

israel knows
timming is everything
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2011/04/26/coming-to-israel-soon-a-new-turkish-flotilla-and-duran-duran/

nothing like doing something
when you think...no one is watching

anyhow
peace in our time...eh...
:}

while everyone is looking at
kate and will
i will be watching
our only real and present danger
[only real threat..to eventual world peace]

our 'friends'

the war mongers
who truelly hate peace

I continue to be surprised at how unsurprising are the WikiLeaks cables.

Latest “revelations” in today’s Australian.

The US Government thinks Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) supports terrorism. Gadzooks! they’re not as naïve as they sometimes appear. I think most informed observers were pretty certain the ISI was a terrorist supporting organisation long before anyone was ever incarcerated in Gitmo.

The Finsbury Park Mosque and other English Mosques act as terrorist recruiting stations. Wow! Who’d a thunk it?

The BBC has a hotline for terrorists. Of course they do. As would any news gathering organisation worth its salt.

The BBC is slanted? No surprise. They’re every bit as slanted as the Murdoch media. They merely cater for a different audience. All news outlets have a point of view. All of them slant the news, often quite subconsciously. “Objective” reporting is a myth.

I remain completely underwhelmed.

Spindoc wrote:

>>AQ and all the other Islamic fundamentalist affiliates, fully understand that they have just witnessed the departure of their train.>>

Maybe.

I suspect less has changed in the M-E than most people think. Time will tell

Dear Steven,

When considering the possibility of nuclear war, we are apt to regard it as unthinkable. But "unthinkable" merely means we choose not to think about it - and in turning to the illusion that all will surely be well, we may ignore the reality of our danger and so increase the chances of war. Naturally, people have great resistance to the idea that they may one day destroy themselves. They therefore tend to think of reasons why a nuclear war cannot happen ("Nobody would be crazy enough to start one",) rather than to acknowledge the curcumstances in which it could happen. We already know, for more than decades of experience with the bomb, that nuclear war can be avoided: but there are factors that have made and continue to make such a war a distinct possibility. The mere fact that several nations have armed themselves for such a conflict is in itself evidence of that. The proliferation of nuclear weapons adds to the danger.
Clearly, the more weapons there are and the more countries that have them, the greater is the peril that they will eventually be used especially by areas that are considered as "hot spot" countries -
such as Israel, Libya, Iran, North Korea, India and Pakistan. Countries which have a long tradition of hostility. Nobody knows if nuclear war is probable or not - but it is certainly very possible.

Lexi

I agree with your analysis.

I not only thing a nuclear war is possible, I think it is LIKELY. It might be Israel destroying the Middle-Eastern oil and gas fields but I think a nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan is more likely. A war with North Korea involving nukes is also possible.

It is also possible that a terrorist organisation like AQ or its affiliates could get their hands on a nuke. Pakistan is the most likely source. The government there could disintegrate and who knows what could happen to the nukes. Or elements within the Pakistani intelligence, the ISI, might hand over some nukes out of Islamic passion, for cash, or perhaps a combination of the two.

Once Iran acquires nukes who knows what could happen. The regime there is at least as shaky as that in Pakistan. What happens to its nukes if the regime disintegrates?

I have NO doubt that if AQ or one of its affiliates ever acquire nukes they will use them. I do not need Guantanamo detainees to tell me that.

Anyone except the determinedly ignorant knows what AQ and its affiliates would like to do.

That was not the point of my original post.

My point was that if the desire to acquire nukes plus a cock and bull story about AQ having hidden a nuke in Europe is representative of the kind of intelligence gathered for the Gitmo detainees then it’s not worth the effort.

My comments were solely directed at the so-called "revelations" from Guantanamo.

Steven,Iran has no need to acquire nukes.The US weapons inspectors have been there and not one nuke has been planned or discovered.Israel has all the nukes in the Middle East.They have a minimum of 200 and the means to deliver them.Last yr 300 USA Congressmen signed a letter of allegiance not to criticise Israel no matter what they do to the people of Palistine.It is the Zionists who are out of control,threatening nuke wars,not the Muslims.There is only one Muslim country that has nukes is Pakistan.Who has the track record for nukes and their use?That's right,white skinned westerners and white skinned Israelis,who have an ideology of being god's chosen people.

The real Israelis of ancient Egypt and Rome by virtue of the Sun's grace,had olive skin and intelligence.In reality,modern Israel is just a reflection of Western Imperialism using tenuous connections with religion, to steal land,which they have little or no genetic connection.So free Palistine and treat them as equals.

Arjay those twigs rushing past your eyes as you sweep past in the river of life are reality grab one brother hold on tight.

sadly only those who would be decieved are decieved
cause they love decieving and being lied to

to quote stephen""I continue to be surprised
at how unsurprising are the WikiLeaks cables.""

yes me too
you clearly ignored my link
exposing how its a co-intel scam
http://www.rebelnews.org/opinion/war/801958-wikiweasel-4-wikilieaks-goes-whacky

first released to the media by counter intel services
but they ignored it

so the wiki leaks way was done
and the gullibler swallowed it hook line and sinker

[aint it funny nothing re israel]
that alone speaks volumes

wikileaks is a scam
trying to shape thinking for israel

I continue to be surprised at how unsurprising
are the WikiLeaks cables....TOO...!

http://www.revoltoftheplebs.com/categories/rogues-gallery/satisfying-the-zionists-obamas-first-priority/

http://whatreallyhappened.com/Israel%20and%20the%20Unites%20States%20seek%20to%20undermine%20the%20Arab%20nations%20to%20achieve%20their%20objectives%20in%20the%20occupied%20Palestinian%20territories,%20says%20an%20analyst.

http://www.revoltoftheplebs.com/categories/bad-religion/christian-zionism-concoction-of-distortions-half-truths-and-emotionally-potent-oversimplifications-of-scripture/

http://www.revoltoftheplebs.com/categories/fear-and-loathing/israels-racist-rabbis-say-ethnic-cleansing-working-call-for-more/

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/04/1900-year-old-wisdom-imbalance-between.html

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/584/334/Ford_Foundation_Dumps_Israel_-_No_More_Good_Money_after_Bad.html
http://100777.com/node/463

http://www.mybudget360.com/financial-tipping-point-of-peak-debt-total-credit-market-debt-owed-increased-from-28-trillion-in-2001-to-over-52-trillion-in-2011/

oh heck why bother
http://vidrebel.wordpress.com/2011/04/25/the-counterfeiters/

Well said Belly, great quote.

Belly my gems of meaning are rushing by you daily.Only a drowning fool clutches at twigs.You need something more substancial in your intellectual diet Belly than snippets from the tree of wisdom.You need to look at the whole tree ie who is nourishing it and who is pilfering that nourishment leaving the masses with almost nothing in knowledge or real wealth.

They are robbing you blind Belly and you can't work out how.

Arjay,

You can't even work out who THEY are, let alone coherently make a case for their existence. Your stock in trade of regurgitating paranoic fantasies propounded by the pseudo-intellectual conspiracy nuts and sometimes the flat out metally ill.

Stevenlmeyer,

It has long been an accepted tenant of warfare that combatants don't get criminal trials. Whether Guanatano has been an intelligence coup or not is irrelevant. We know for a FACT, that people released from Guanatanamo have gone on to become involved in terrorism in Iraq, and Aghanistan. Why would the US close it? Where is the benefit?

Why would Israel nuke middle eastern oilfields? Israel might strike first to destroy its enemies, but not the global economy.

I think you've confused Israel with Iran, which might just nuke Saudi oilfields, which would have the dual result of critically damaging its sunni enemey, and plunging the economies of the west into depression. Win Win.

PaulL,Western economies have put themselves into depression.The US Federal Reserve(the private banksters) are the instigators of the GFC and are perpetuating our demise.How is it they are making trillions upon the collapse of Western economies? They are stealing from us the people.

The whole GFC scam was totally orchestrated just like the Great Depression.Humans constantly scheme and plan for greed and advantage.The elites have all the time and money on the planet to manipulate circumstances to their own advantage.Just study history.

PaulL

My comment was entirely about the quality of the "intelligence" gathered at Guantanamo. Not about the morality, or otherwise, of imprisoning captives there.

So far as Israel is concerned, my remark envisaged a situation in which it's back was to the wall, where it either had to nuke its enemies or go down. Having one third of the world's oil pumping capacity as your hostage does tend to focus people's minds.

In fact I suspect that one reason the USA always keeps Israel well armed with conventional weapons is because they are afraid of what might happen if Israel ever did feel cornered. They can do the maths as well, if not better, than I can. This is certainly the view expressed in a paper on the website of the USAF air force university.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cpc-pubs/farr.htm

Quote:

>>Peres also credits Dimona with bringing Anwar Sadat to Jerusalem to make peace.75 This position was seemingly confirmed by Sadat in a private conversation with Israeli Defense Minister Ezer Weizman.>>

I think Israel may have been the first country to demonstrate that nuclear blackmail can be effective.

Does anyone truly believe that Israel would "go gentle into that good night" to quote one of my favourite poets?

steven/quote..""Does anyone truly believe that Israel would "go gentle into that good night""

i would hope they arnt that dumb
considering the worlds intelligensa and media
much of the worlds production and supply..is under their control

ending this world..[the only realm they control]
would be extreemly dumb...of course there is no 'good night'

[with the exception of the dark hells..
the contradiction with 'good'..is thus laughable]

anyhow the dumbnes of our leaders is hardly an origonal ovservation

im still of the opinion ..this whole topic is a destraction
but as our lords and masters would be well aware of its progression

im simply taking the oppertuinity
to sort the sane amoung them from the crazey

the insanity of war
contrasts strongly against the fruits of peace
any proffiteering from the qwar industry..
is nothing compared to the fruits of peace

especialy so for the state of israel
but there is none so blind as those who chose to live in fear

the claim to be gods people is clearly a sign of insanity
as much as the mess-ages of the prophet[peace be to him too]

clearly much of the torah...and the koran
[thus so to the [lol] holy bible..
comes direct from the jinn..in the dark regons

but not to cast slurs upon them
or those who recorded their mess-age
there are many wise ammoung those chosing to dwell in hell

clearly god made life
death cannot serve the life giver
even the semite[jesus]..the so called peace maker
gives a clue to the true good mercyfull nature of the one good[god]

to not speak of his title honourum
is not the same as not mentioning his name
those who glory in life./love/light..truelly 'get' the greatness of him

those who glory in death destruction..sacrifice..vile./.war
are far from him...let there be light[to sustyain life]..is a phrase that reflects his love of all light sustains and reveals into being

...and a refuting of the very concepts
of this..

dark
good
night..

let there be light
love is all we need
to know good..is..[god]

goodbye

i promise grayham
no one will nuke anyone*

One aspect of your conspiracy fantasies, Arjay, that seems to go perpetually unremarked, is the interdependencies that now exist, in our most connected of worlds, among both friends and enemies.

If Country X - say, China - destroys the economy of the United States, what does it achieve? It removes from the market their biggest customer. That would immediately create economic chaos within their own borders, and bring upon themselves massive hardship.

Why would they bother?

If Country Y - say, Israel - nukes the Middle East oilfields, what does it achieve? It cuts off the US oil supply, which would probably get them crossed of Obama's Christmas list. Or Hanukka list, whatever. Certainly they would cause sufficient damage to the US economy that the Fifth Fleet would be immediately homeward bound, leaving Israel to the tender mercies of a whole lot of very cross people.

Why would they bother?

And what should another trillion dollars profit an international bankster, if he can't get home in time to see his daughter's school play (see: any number of corny Hollywood movies).

Why would he bother?

as usual some good questions
pericules quote"'what should another trillion dollars
profit an international bankster,..if he can't get home in time to see his daughter's school play""

excellent point*

but the thing is the bankers are in a huge hole
they must make the economy SEEM to be growing
or we all go bust

thus the fed lending like crazy
intrest free...'paid' for
with govt bonds getting[paying]..2% intrest

BOUGHT by the fed reserve bankers
by monetory easing..[ie printing ever more 'money']
http://weeklyintercept.blogspot.com/2011/04/frumforum-its-fair-to-say-that.html

the stock market prices are a sham
most of the trades are recorded..but not proceeded with
[yet still show up in the news..as a percentile increase]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1381401/Facebook-early-investors-want-offload-1billion-shares.html

but its just shuffling arround the same paper
there is no real product..under pinning the trades
http://www.activistpost.com/2011/04/us-economic-growth-pared-to-18-percent.html
ie no value[no real;value..is being created]
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-28/india-narrows-its-choices-for-order-of-126-warplanes-saab-says.html

let me put up some links
its depresive reading..

[but note i have put up a 'cure' of sorts]
and yes its radicle..the fed needs to give back
control to some govt oversight body...

as well as let capitalism's laws take place...

[with govt underwriting any fall .
.restricting the loss of real values

of that which will get liqidated
to arround 44%...current market values]
and keeping workers[consumers] incomes going
http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/27/news/companies/walmart_ceo_consumers_under_pressure/index.htm

govt of course will keep most of the industry 'running'
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4388&page=0

but first to catch people up
i would say go to here
http://whatreallyhappened.com/

the real problems
http://snardfarker.ning.com/xn/detail/2649739:BlogPost:373960?xg_source=activity
oil/gold silver..food
http://www.activistpost.com/2011/04/americans-are-preparing-at.html
things they think people will still NEED to buy
its all going up
investers looking for a safe place
http://knucklz.com/2011/04/28/boosted-profits-69-percent-from-a-year-ago.aspx

this will cause inflation

AND THEN
then soon..hyper inflation
but its a two sped ecomony

so we see stag/flation
dont worry you will soon see what that looks like

[more..in no particular order]

gold/silver prices are rising
http://www.activistpost.com/2011/04/52-to-56-silver-by-mid-year-update.html
we know what that means
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-27/gold-climbs-nearing-record-on-investor-concern-currencies-to-extend-drop.html

more signs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C11cXXwUd1A
[its cause is quantative easing..too easy fiat paper[credit]
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=14732

[easy money looking for a value..a return]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrKfP34xi1E

others just hanging on to a "resource"
http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/Russia-bans-petrol-exports-afp-3212564672.html
saving themselves first
http://netrightdaily.com/2011/04/iceland-declares-independence-from-international-banks/
"Austerity" = "Making the poor pay for the crimes of the rich" = "Class warfare."

failing resouces
Chrysler To Repay Bailout[loans]
With Bank Loans, paid for with its own paper/Bonds

Chrysler says it will take out bank loans
and sell debt..later this quarter to repay $6.6 billion in bailout loans from the U.S. and Canadian governments...

people still wont buy cars
[they got no jobs]
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/27/us-nokia-idUSTRE73Q1XH20110427
Rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic?

even student debt semed safe...lol
http://weeklyintercept.blogspot.com/2011/04/student-loan-debt-hell-21-statistics.html

fenma camps will open soon
[see the back pages]
read the tea leaves
http://weeklyintercept.blogspot.com/2011/04/petraeus-to-cia-completes-cheneys-dream.html

lets talk about drug money[cia]

learn to laugh
http://lonestarwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/04/parody-on-obama-budgeting-by-ray.html

liars/frauds
http://www.nysun.com/editorials/the-dog-that-didnt-bark/87324/

lets not see the sax marburg..[hrh]..link
recall gold-man sax[see previous links]

all that lost info
got your head[info in a cloud?
http://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-lost-data-2011-4

they planned their excuses well
[and that wasa this mornings news
by tonight who knows]

thanks very interesting

perry cules
you know quantitive 'easing' has failed
the so called trickledown affect..simply speaking dont trickle down

so its time we tried QUALITIVE easing
[as mentioned at the link]..by adding a '0'
to all coinage..

ie we bailout the poor..
for whome coin still holds a value

not the rich with 'quantity' [quantitive easing]..of credit and paper
that they 'invest' in resources ..or take overs..[that dont add econominc value..only increases monetry prices

by driving up the cost of fuel food
and other consumables and value assets like gold silver etc

top down trickle down affects has failed hugely
its time govts say ther sence in adding value to cents
all of a sudden the poor got spending money..they can consume ..can pay off debt...

ok the adding of two '0'[zero's] was more fair
but could be phased in..after govts legislated for it to be disbursed out in wages...[maybe even laws against instuiitutional hoarding]

how hard could it be to force banks and big business to declare their holdings[over night]..just like a stocktake]..and govt the next day begins isuing it iout to the people

with the one zero the extra caution isnt needed
but with the double zero super boosted qualitive easing..it becomes a must

paper values stay the same

and if ya still think even our govt isnt in a mess
in the excitment of the rot royal mar-rage
our treausuror revealed

""the biggest govt debt ever..""

so much for sur-plus
its currently slurp puss you taxable peons
having to pay ever more taxes to pay govt debt off

just*yesterday
while the media was suitably distracted
with royal pr and missoginist photo call proto-cull

Steve it is six days from the last post.
But looking back it seems your thread nearly forecast the future.
Not the only one.
Look again at one talking about changes in the middle east.
And the actions following that threads start.
Interesting stuff.

It is interesting isn't it.